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ContestJune Flag Design Contest! (self.vexillology)

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Welcome to June!

Theme: A Flag for a Merger

Prompt: The submission must be a flag to represent a merger between any two corporations. These can be present, historical, or fictional corporations. We'll cast a wide net for what can count as a corporation, so things like non-profits and government agencies are fine. Examples: Flag for Apple/Coca Cola, Flag for the East India Company/Royal Dutch Shell. This blog post gives a few examples of actual merger logos.

Contest Rules

  • Each submitter can submit up to 3 flags.
  • Each flag must be an original creation for this contest. Previous submissions or plagiarism will be disqualified.
  • Must be a .png file at most 2000 pixels wide.
  • Must be uploaded to imgur. Please note that these must be uploaded anonymously (not from an Imgur account if you have one) and unpublished.
  • The submission message must follow the format included in the pre-written message. Include:

Flag Name: Flag of Serbia, based on Iran

Link: http://imgur.com/4CTgaJ8.png

Short Description: This Serbian flag design features the Serbian colours of red, blue, and white, while having some sort of text displayed on the borders between the stripes, like on the Iranian one.

Any submissions that break these rules can/will be disqualified.

How to submit

To submit please fill out and send this message to /u/Vexy that meets all the requirements listed above. After the tenth of the month all submissions will be posted in a contest thread to be voted on, the flag with the highest score wins!

Schedule

  • Submissions are due June 10th

  • Voting begins a few hours after submissions end on June 10th (No late submissions will be accepted).

  • Voting ends June 20th and the winner will be announced shortly after.

Good luck, and may the odds be in your favor!

If you have any comments, questions or suggestions please contact the mods

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[–]condronkSami People 11ポイント12ポイント  (21子コメント)

Kind of wish this was country merger rather than company mergers. Blending is fun , but it will hard to avoid having a lot of "corporate" looking submissions here.

[–]apocolyptictoddJune 14 Contest Winner[M] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Damn that's actually a pretty great idea. Kinda like Austria-Hangary esc flags.

If it makes you feel better i'll submit this for a contest idea in the near future (probably under a different name as not to sound to similar).

-Cheers

[–]bmoxeyDecember '13, December '14 Contest Winner 1ポイント2ポイント  (16子コメント)

I would have said, it would be impossible not to have corporate looking submissions. This is not a corporate logo community, it is vexillology community. Yet another poor contest idea, please change it at once.

The challenge you have set is about finding two corporate logos that fit together nicely, not a flag challenge at all. It requires no vexillology skill at all. Just the ability to search for corporate logos. Please sack whoever is in charge of contests and put someone in charge who actually wants a vexillology challenge. You know, something to do with flag designs, for some group, real or fictional that might actually need and have use of a flag.

Not for a plant or amoeba that has no need for or ability to use a flag. Not requiring us to search through people's reddit profiles for personal data. Not a flag that breaks the rules of good flag design, but a flag that actually uses the good flag rules. Most challengers are way too broad, so it is more about coming up with a good idea, not a good design. Limit the topics so we are all designing for the same group. Then it is about the design, not the idea of which group to design for.

How about a flag for a specific town or state or country that currently has a poor flag? Why not throw in the extra challenge of requiring the design to feature the state or national colours?

Corporate mergers usually create a new logo, unrelated to the original. Like when BHP merged with Billiton. That is a corporate logo challenge, not a flag challenge.

[–]apocolyptictoddJune 14 Contest Winner[M] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (15子コメント)

It is a vexillological challenge as you are creating flags, just combining logos would be more heraldry than vexillology. It's just as a vexillological challenge than merging two countries.

Corporate mergers usually create a new logo

The key word is usually. Usually they do, you're in charge of making a flag, that's why it's a vexillological challenge.

The matter of the fact is that you cannot please everyone. This idea was taken directly from a user submitted idea, not a mod. If you don't like the idea you can come back next month. I agree it's not the best idea ever presented but we like to experiment and take risks so the contests do not become stale. We're not going to make a contest based off of a redesign or another countries flag every month, it would get stale and then you would complain about that.

We see that this is not the most popular idea but we will not be changing it. We would rather take risks and get an unpopular contest than for them to grow stale.

Also please feel free to submit contest ideas since you seem to have quite a few.

[–]bmoxeyDecember '13, December '14 Contest Winner -2ポイント-1ポイント  (14子コメント)

No it is not. in a vexillology challenge, you start with the customer (nation, state, town, space aliens - whatever) who need a flag and you design a flag that suits them. In this (and many other flag contests), we are allowed to choose the customer. That is not how a vexillology challenge should work. You need to design for your customer, not pick a customer that suits your design.

One of the main criteria for a good flag design is that it suits the customer, how can this be tested when we chose the customer? Every month?

Almost all contests allow the designer to select the customer. Can we please have some contests where the customer is set and we design to fit them. This is more real life.

More than half of the contest ideas this year have been from poor to abysmal. It cannot be that difficult to select one of the good ideas that is proposed, or ask for proposals and pick the good ones, not the poor ones.

Noone is saying to use the same ideas, but chose an idea that actually challenges from a design perspective, not a logo search.

[–]apocolyptictoddJune 14 Contest Winner[M] 1ポイント2ポイント  (13子コメント)

You just described the contest. The customers are two businesses merging. Honestly it sounds like you are just too scared to take a risk and pick two companies that would make a good flag. Would you rather I choose your two conpanies? Also if this contest is not challenging enough I have full confidence you will sweep the contest and claim 1st. It's a win win for you.

If you think the contests are poor submit some ideas. No one benefits from you moaning about them in the comments.

[–]bmoxeyDecember '13, December '14 Contest Winner 1ポイント2ポイント  (12子コメント)

You are not understanding. It is unrealistic for ME to chose which two companies would merge to require a new flag or logo. I could chose Coke and McDonalds or Shell and Mobil. I will, of course, chose two companies that have compatible logos, so it is about logo compatibility and not flag design at all. Why have a contest that does not reflect reality? In reality, a corporate merger occurs and someone needs to come up with a new logo/flag. You don't get to pick which companies they are, or what their logos look like.

Having a contest that is too easy does not mean that I will win, it means that anyone who picks two good companies to merge will win. It is not about good flag design, but about knowing two good company logos to merge. That is not good flag design, but good company logo knowledge. That is not what the vexillology contest should be testing.

I am currently winning the yearly contest. This is not about ME, or about winning. It is about having a worthy contest that challenges our DESIGN capabilities. It is about applying the rules of good flag designs to a specific requirement or request. It is about having a contest that relects reality and challenges the community and comes up with good and innovative designs and ideas. This contest does not promote that at all.

I already have submitted many ideas, none have been used. The ideas that are being used are terrible.

[–]oddarkIndiana 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

How many of these contests have been realistic? It's a design contest. It doesn't have to be believable.

[–]bmoxeyDecember '13, December '14 Contest Winner -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It does not matter if we are designing a flag for the Vogon destroyer fleet, or the unexpected merger of Japan and USA. At least we have a design objective that we can all head towards (best design wins), rather than making up our own objective. Making up our own customer. From a flag design POV, that is what is unrealistic, not the nature of the customer, who could be purely fictional - that does not matter. The premise you provide is unrealistic, not just the customer.

The current contests are not testing design ability. THAT is what should be being tested, not knowledge of corporate logos or coming up with a good taxon to design a flag around. You are testing the wrong aspect.

EDIT: sorry, not you, thought I was responding to apocolyptictodd

[–]apocolyptictoddJune 14 Contest Winner[M] -1ポイント0ポイント  (9子コメント)

Unrealistic

Contests should not be based off of realism, that makes almost no sense.

It is not about good flag design, but about knowing two good company logos to merge.

go ahead and just submit a poor flag that just has nicely merged logos, I promise you that you will not win or even break top 5.

It is about applying the rules of good flag designs

Then go ahead and apply them. I'm sure as hell not going to stop you, I dont think any mod here is that much of a Nazi.

It is about having a contest that relects reality

I thought you said contests were based off of design quality.

challenges the community and comes up with good and innovative designs and ideas

Alright? This contest is not stopping any of that.

The ideas that are being used are terrible.

You seem to be awfully critical of ideas you cant seem to find legitimate problems with. All you have said so far is that they are not realistic and challenging.

I agree with you that this is not the strongest contest but you seem to be upset for the wrong reasons, reasons that are not really relevant.

[–]bmoxeyDecember '13, December '14 Contest Winner 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

Contests should not be based off of realism, that makes almost no sense.

As someone who IS trying to do a realistic flag for MY nation, making contests as closely aligned to reality is a good idea. While the contest nation/state/people/theme/fictional situation does not need to be real, the contest should not just be open slather with a vague theme. When flags are required, that is not how it works. If a flag is required for Provo, they don't say design a flag for any town. We want to actually learn from each other what works and what does not. Winning is not as important as learning. Making a contest, where the base premise is not about good flag design, but combining corporate logos is not near reality. It does not test actual flag design but the ability to recall and merge corporate logos.

go ahead and just submit a poor flag that just has nicely merged logos

what? a nicely merged logo will look good. It will be a good design (so long as you do not muck up other elements). Clearly you don't know what a good design is. The problem is that this is not what should be rewarded. We should reward clever ideas, well thought out and relevant objects, good colours schemes. Given most corporate logos already have a colour scheme, this is just finding two that match and putting them on a page. Best logo combination found wins. That is not testing and challenging the aspects of good flag design. It is testing your ability to find two corporate logos that "fit" together. My complaint is not that the result will not look good, it is that the contest is not actually testing flag design capabilities for a (somewhat) realistic situation.

Then go ahead and apply them.

My complaint is not that I cannot apply the good flag guidelines, it is that the emphasis is on corporate logo knowledge, not actual flag design.

Alright? This contest is not stopping any of that

This contest does not PROMOTE that, because you are using corporate logos that already exist and already have colour schemes and already have meanings. There are many more elements to a good flag design, such as being relevant to the subject that are not being tested. Just finding two compatible logos of similar colour and design is not testing flag design ability.

You seem to be awfully critical of ideas you cant seem to find legitimate problems with. All you have said so far is that they are not realistic and challenging.

I have explained my problems. You are not listening. Saying I have no valid complaint is not valid when I keep listing them.

I agree with you that this is not the strongest contest but you seem to be upset for the wrong reasons, reasons that are not really relevant.

So why the charade? We agree this is not a great contest idea. Then why hold this contest - was this the best idea available? Given the problems with previous contests (Feb) why not put your BEST idea forward rather than one that we both agree is weak?

[–]oddarkIndiana 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

the contest isn't about merging two logos together. The winning flag is still going to look like a flag. This is a flag design contest.

[–]bmoxeyDecember '13, December '14 Contest Winner -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

Once you have combined the two logos, there is very little work left to make it into a flag. You already have the colour scheme and main element. Just ensure you have some good border/background colours and you are done.

[–]apocolyptictoddJune 14 Contest Winner 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

As someone who IS trying to do a realistic flag for MY nation, making contests as closely aligned to reality is a good idea.

The contests are not tailored to specifically you.

Clearly you don't know what a good design is.

Yes I forgot that I don't. Thanks for giving me my daily reminder ;)

We should reward clever ideas, well thought out and relevant objects, good colours schemes.

You are? What can I say the voters decide on all of this, no contest theme will restrict any of that.

My complaint is not that I cannot apply the good flag guidelines, it is that the emphasis is on corporate logo knowledge, not actual flag design.

Who ever said you needed to use a corporate logo? Be creative. You yourself said that we should be rewarding clever ideas.

This contest does not PROMOTE that, because you are using corporate logos that already exist and already have colour schemes and already have meanings.

Again just dont use logos m8.

I have explained my problems. You are not listening. Saying I have no valid complaint is not valid when I keep listing them.

If I was not listing I would not be spending my night reading walls of text

So why the charade? We agree this is not a great contest idea. Then why hold this contest - was this the best idea available?

Other mods thought the idea was good, this idea was based around a different idea entirely and quite honestly I was asleep when the decision was made. I am not passing blame as I am equally responsible as anyone but that is my justification.

[–]bmoxeyDecember '13, December '14 Contest Winner 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The contests are not tailored to specifically you.

I would assume that a good contest is one that actually tests as close to a real scenario as possible. This should suit everyone, not just me.

You are? What can I say the voters decide on all of this, no contest theme will restrict any of that.

But 99% of this contest is just selecting two compatible corporate logos. That is not flag design, but logo recognition/manipulation.

Who ever said you needed to use a corporate logo? Be creative. You yourself said that we should be rewarding clever ideas.

"a merger between any two corporations", sounds like corporate logos to me, otherwise they will not be relevant.

Again just dont use logos m8.

Then you want us to create a new design for an existing company that has an existing logo? One of the design criteria for good flag deign is relevance. Creating a new symbol for the company would not be relevant.

If I was not listing I would not be spending my night reading walls of text

If you are listing you should be actually listening and hearing what I am saying, you are constantly replying with irrelevant things that I am not saying or misunderstanding.

Other mods thought the idea was good, this idea was based around a different idea entirely and quite honestly I was asleep when the decision was made. I am not passing blame as I am equally responsible as anyone but that is my justification.

Do the mods actually compete? Do they have an understand of what us, the competitors are trying to get out of these contests? It is not glory of winning, it is a learning experience. This particular contest has no learning. I am not blaming you personally, but you are the one responding. It is not just this one contest, all contest this year have been poor, some worse than others. We need to speak up so that the mods know what we actually want. i get some downvotes, but many people think like me, this contest is not about creativity, it is about logo knowledge. Once you have selected your logos the design basically designs itself. the colours are set, the main element is set, then just fill in the blanks.

[–]SplarnstFlorida 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

But haven't we seen literally hundreds of such flags already, without a contest?

Nordicized, Prussified, Marshallized, etc., etc.?

[–]FleetSevensFrance 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

And we already had such a contest.

[–]deadpoetic31Maryland 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agreed

[–]FleetSevensFrance 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think this would work better as a logo contest rather than a flag contest. I mean, yeah, some corporations have flags, but we don't normally associate them with flags, do we? Plus the flags are usually just SOBs. Even the example page you linked to was only about logos.

I think in future you guys should have some contest ideas from the past being reused. There were some great prompts used in the past from when this sub had barely any users (example: flag of immigrants: 6 submissions) that would probably generate a lot of good flags.

[–]SteelboltCincinnati 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Just to clarify, the philosophy of the contest prompts is to produce varied flags and to be challenging. Part of the former is to make the promos vague enough that each contestant has their own unique ideas of what the contest means to them, meaning we usually allow people to choose their own subjects. The latter involves making a prompt that not only have people not thought about before, but also one that has to make people think outside the box to create a good flag.

[–]bmoxeyDecember '13, December '14 Contest Winner 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Being too vague means the contests are about having the best "idea" rather than the best flag design for a specific scenario. Can we at least have some contests from time to time that actually have a narrower field to test our head-to-head ability on a specific scenario. eg. Design a flag for a specific town/state/country or two or three to give some options.

The problem is that when the contest is too vague, we literally are comparing apples to oranges (to dinosaurs to amoeba). While this is fine sometimes, it seems like all the contests are too open to interpretation. In this case, the person who finds the best corporate logos will win. That is not rewarding good flag design, but good google search ability.

Design a flag for Fiji is a better contest than Design a flag for any nation on earth.

[–]oddarkIndiana 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow, I'm seeing a lot of negative reactions to this contest. I've already submitted two designs that I think make great flags while still following the prompt. This is a design contest. The guidelines are given, so stop complaining and either get creative or don't participate. These contests aren't supposed to be easy. If you're not creative enough to come up with a flag for a merger, don't blame the people who came up with the contest.

/rant

[–]FoulCokeMaryland 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

What's your definition of government agencies?

[–]apocolyptictoddJune 14 Contest Winner[M] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Any branch of government would be fine.

[–]Wolfgang52West Virginia 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This will be hard for my first submission.

[–]oddarkIndiana 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Happy new year?

[–]VexyContest![S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Err, nice catch, I guess that's made it in this whole year!

[–]OsloviteAnarchism 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

a.k.a. slap a corporate logo on a solid field.

2capitalist4me

[–]greymanbomberSakatchewan 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It would be pretty tricky; after all many corporations incorporate their names into the logos.

[–]medhelanOccitania 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

really interesting concept!