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[–]silvertongue35 19ポイント20ポイント  (2子コメント)

The best part of the red pill is purging yourself of the Disney-ified version of what love is. I mean, the whole, you find that woman in high school, go to college, marry, and have the house with the picket fence and 2 kids. It's a fairy tale and complete bullshit.

Women are mercenaries and we have this whole thing where men are raised as you mentioned, where their mother's love gives them this false idea of what love out in the real world will be like. Little do they know that it's only an illusion which shatters as soon as they become a man and start getting their heart broken.

But it's funny, what comes around does come around. A man who has swallowed the red pill will realize what's going on, increase his SMV, get jacked, make more money, and start realizing he has more options.

Those same women who kept him in the friend zone or broke his heart? Well, shit, that wall is coming up real fast for them. Meanwhile the "low SMV male" they remember is dead, and from the ashes rises a high SMV male that dominates everything around him.

[–]Polishrifle 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's been posted time and time again, but don't count on the wall holding a lot of those girls back. There are many thirsty beta a foot and they will easily wife up yesterday's trash.

The more I think about it, the less likely I am to get married.

[–]silvertongue35 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Look at the flip side of it, those are the women you are no longer interested in, thus they no longer matter.

[–]Soriq 13ポイント14ポイント  (6子コメント)

10/10 Article. Especially your insights on how the experience of maternal love affects our relationships with women.

I found this line interesting

The more man sacrifices for a woman, the more likely he is to fall in love with his investment.

Reminds me of the Ben Franklin quote about getting people to do things for you. This indirectly implies that being beta to your woman is a vicious cycle that compounds how much more beta you become. I'm inclined to agree

[–]let_terror_reign 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fits right in with the nice guy mentality where we ignore diminishing return on investment by seeing only sunken cost.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

10/10 Article. Especially your insights on how the experience of maternal love affects our relationships with women.

If you're interested in this, you'll like what Freud has to say about it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madonna%E2%80%93whore_complex

[–]MSCHVSVCTRY 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah, if you read the Art of Seduction you'll read about the girl who probably inspired his views. That girl is a piece of work.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Had the book for awhile. Haven't finished it. Looking forward to this. Thanks for the heads up.

[–]MSCHVSVCTRY 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

All I have to say is.. he did not believe in bros before hos.

[–]jeanclaudevanman 18ポイント19ポイント  (5子コメント)

Great post. Always a nice refresher: Men > Women > Children > Puppies* (> = love).

As men, we are the source of all love. It is our duty to give it freely without expectation or return. Love is a feeling reserved for those who receive it. When a woman tells you she loves you, what she is conveying are feelings of security and comfort.

*Get a dog if you want unconditional love.

[–]Meninismx 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

For women: 'I love you' = 'I need you' I must be more sceptical than most, because I find that my dog would happily love the shit out of whoever gives her food and walks her - not very unconditional.

[–]Movonnow 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

It is our duty to give it freely without expectation or return

Fuck what this society thinks what is my duty and what's not.

[–]jeanclaudevanman 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

This has nothing to do with 'this' society. If you choose to one day enter a LTR/marriage 2.0 or move beyond plating, this will become true for you as well. The duty to give love freely and without expectation stems from man's place in a relationship.

Believe it or not, having a good/great women in your life requires lots of investment and effort on your part. You will never get out what you put in. If you align yourself with the information provided here, you will understand how to more aptly deal with matters of love in life.

[–]1REDPILLRECKONING 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

I realized this when I started to get good with Dread Game. The distinction between mothers love and the psychotic neediness of a young woman desperate to keep an alpha in her life like a drop of water in a vast desert is unnerving.

One is sacrificial, as mentioned in the post above. The other is based on need, which is ironic considering how entitled and bratty women are these days. With this being said, I have met women who are self sustained (not because their dads give them money) and thus are capable of a different type of affection. An affection that is based in giving a fuck for others instead of just being some sort of parasite.

This is the essence of a leveled up redpill woman, someone who indiscriminately warms everything around her, the motherly glow if you will. You never need anything from a woman like this, and she never needs anything from you, but simply being in her presence makes everything so much goddamn better.

So imo, love is indeed possible, it's just that it is rare, and takes an extraordinary woman to wield it in a rapidly decaying society. Do not lose faith brothers, for all will be well.

[–]johnnywahd 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

"So imo, love is indeed possible, it's just that it is rare, and takes an extraordinary woman (and extraordinary effort to receive and maintain) to wield it in a rapidly decaying society."

I added the parenthesis part as I feel it applies.

[–]Dangerestdrag 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

As someone who doesn't really prescribe to redpill that opinion is a breath of fresh air, most of this stuff reads like doom and gloom to me but I like this rather optimistic opinion. I know I definitely have beta tendencies and want to change them but I don't want to be a macho hulk either. I know I will still have to change, but I appreciate the sentiment that not all women are like this and that maybe I might find something one day. The standard red pill opinion is so life draining to me, it feels hollow.

[–]1REDPILLRECKONING 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I completely understand where you are coming from and I'm glad you saw the inherent optimism in my post. Sometimes it's very easy to feel like the world is a very unfair place, and redpill teachings really don't pull any punches. But if you continue on the path, you'll find that in a greater context there is a very very empowering message that redpill can imbue you with. We are indeed the makers and shapers of reality, and once you start to see that life is only as limited as you let it be, you will have alot more fun. We are indeed the limitless ones.

P.S. That dynamic between seeming outwardly gloomy but intrinsically positive is rather telling of our cause don't you think?

P.S.S I ended my last message cryptically with a deeply nerdy but HOPEFUL reference. Bonus points if you find it.

[–]el_nikon 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Men who had mothers that never endowed them with the maternal bond find it easier to swallow the red pill and understand female behaviour as adults. It is a recurring observation of mine that men deprived of maternal love are better adapted for dealing with women as mates in adulthood. The man who grew up as a neglected boy never foolishly believed that a girlfriend would love him as his mother would, he believed she would love him exactly as his mother did; with extreme conditionality.

I particularly appreciate this insight. Its very clever and deserves some more detail. One of these is the child with the N-mother who is made aware of the idealized version of mother and desperately clings to metaphysical depictions of it from media.

I met a (young) guy who had a particularly odious N-mother. Instead of coming to this realisation, he clung to to the hope that a girlfriend would give him the idealized version he was missing from his mother.

I hope that, when his idealization fails to meet reality, it doesn't sting him too bad.

Great article.

[–]midnightbean 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

This was really great.

One point that threw me off was "woman expects man to love her more than she loves him". It is then wanted/expected but is not quantifiable or ever satisfied in her mind? It seems that women who have had the greatest love for a man do so in the context of craving what she isn't getting enough of; but if it were nothing the desire would cease? And women who seem content have deceived themselves for convenience sake?

Then I wonder what lust refers too. It is not appearance so much as what your appearance leads her to believe. A strong man is a dominant or assertive man, and a woman will lust for the idea more than your nice face. I have very blonde hair and i'm usually put into the category of being too innocent to handle a girl in bed or a player. It could be pure coincidence but the only dark haired women i've been with were ones where I had been extremely assertive and they commented on it as being their reasoning for compliance.

Would I be right in saying that most of the attraction or love a woman has for a man is condensed down to how much of a dominant/alpha man he can be for her? I work around a lot of girls in a unique kind of environment and they only reiterate many redpill tenets. "He was too short, his voice was too high." "He doesn't seem like the kind of guy who can dominate me in bed." "I like him because he's unavailable and my current bf lives far away". - This one is really interesting because being far is also unavailable. It's just that the guy in close proximity is seen as a potential and a challenge, being unavailable is the wrong word.

[–]Dzuari 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I came from a mother who initially had maternal love for me till I was about 7-8 then she turned into the text book narcissist with the laundry list of shit that comes with it(technically it wasn't even maternal love, it was utilitarian love).

I didn't even hit the anger phase when I found TRP, I was just kinda like, "Oh that's neat. This is like finally seeing the strings attached to the puppet."

Edit: I was actually astonished to find so many men so hurt by finally seeing the big picture of women nature and how they could possible be so blind to it. Now, it makes a lot of sense, their moms where probably better than mine... fuckers...

[–]peoplearejustpeople9 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

When your father dies, you grieve for the respect you had for him.

When your mother dies, you grieve because no one will ever love you again.

[–]savoryprunes 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

We can argue about what is right for society, what is right of your personal situation and all the rest, as many of you like to do, but ultimately this is a personal choice. It is your choice to make, not mine, not anybody else’s. Once you have this information, that choice cannot be taken from you. The answer will be different for every man depending on where he is at in his life’s journey.

This! This is the most eloquent expression of this sentiment that I have seen. I vote to make this article required reading.

[–]NeoreactionSafe 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Learning red pill truths exerts incredible impetus on a man to mentally mature and decide what he wants out of women, as well as life."


Great article. It's hard to improve on it because the OP really hit all the main points.

Men love women, women love children, children love puppies

...was never more fully realized than in this article.

I liked how each angle was carefully presented so that everything would fit together tightly.

Could become sidebar material.

[–]slutnip 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree 100% with your post IM, especially coming from a mom who wasn't emotionally available. Saw this in my very first relationship as well and when it went to through the ground, I thought I was the only one who saw the world this way and thought I was different and my perception was wrong. Me being in my early 30s I laugh now at it and thank god I never fell for the whole marriage trap in my 20s. Every girl I ever dated or wanted to date, I always felt a more of an "agenda" from them then "love" Nothing is wrong with their "agenda" per se, it just doesnt match what I want at this time

This is one of the hardest truths to swallow in TRP world. I still have trouble with it even though I know its true

[–]benzamtrp 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am extremely interested by your thesis that boys loved by their mom grow into men expecting unconditional love from women while those who weren't loved aren't expecting this.

I was loved (still am) by my mom and I definitely had the expectation that my girl would unconditionally love me, particularly that she would still be there for me during harsh times. And after all, marriage vows on TV and in your family confirm that you can expect that right? you know "in tears and in laughter, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish." The first time a GF broke up with me after 2y together because she couldn't do long-distance, I just didn't understand it: I had done nothing wrong, I hadn't changed, I still loved her just as much as when we were living in the same place. Same for all following breakups. Actually, up until I was 27 I was dumbfounded to see friends of mine breaking up after years together. And i didn't understand it until I found TRP a few months ago and it finally made sense.

It's so interesting to see guys here who weren't loved by their mom describing their experience. I had no idea you could grow up not expecting women's faithfulness, support, self-sacrifice for their man.. Keep sharing those stories guys.

[–]semondemon24 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You are brilliant. So well written. Such great insight and simplification of a complicated situation we all live with. My favorite part about you, man, is that you don't tell people what to do. You give people the information and trust mankind's own individual compass to make a decision. For whatever reason, I believe the net outcome will be positive. There will be less net suffering from both men and women due to your writing.

[–]semondemon24 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

TRP: Waking up one man at a time. This is bigger than you all think. This is mankind's self-awareness rising.

[–]MattyAnon 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Beautifully written post about love, and it rings true throughout my personal experience, that of society, and of my friends.

One observation is that "love" means so many different things... and male love for women is not the same as the temporary opportunistic 'love' women feel for men.

I've got another word for male love: one-itis.

[–]Eagle_creek 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Greetings from Israel. Great article. I wish rollo tomashy will read this.

[–]Jaques_Fury 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Good shit as always. It's good to see someone going in-depth over this core TRP concept. Although I can understand why someone in Anger Phase might think that Women don't love at all, your points here disprove that sentiment quite nicely.

Women simply love differently than Men do, and in a different direction than BP would leave people to believe. And that's okay.

In terms of Red Pill Theory, however, I think more can be said regarding this excerpt from the article:

Many men would struggle with the idea of family upon discovering the whole host of red pill truths that are to be found. Ignorance truly is bliss, and as such the knowledge on this blog is as much powerful as it is dangerous.

Ignorance was bliss. The Red Pill exists because ignorance stopped being bliss for men. Even the most trained, loyal, and subdued men found themselves victims of Hypergamy and the FI. When blind obedience was punished, even the most indoctrinated started asking questions.

I agree that Red Pill knowledge is dangerous. But as an addendum, I'll contend that lacking such knowledge has since become the more dangerous option. And that's why we're growing.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think we'll ever live in a society that is comfortable sharing this truth. I can only imagine in ages past that this realization hit far too many men, far too late. Who is willing to come out and outright state that a man will never be loved as much as his mother loved him?

It does seem like a cruel joke that every man has to discover it for himself. Perhaps with the rise of places like TRP it may one day be a thing of the past.

[–]sympathetic_receptor 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

One thing I am a little unclear about in this hierarchy is:

It is my understanding that a man loves a woman more than a woman loves a man. And a woman loves children more than she loves a man. But if this were to continue, is it really true that women love children more then they love their mother? And do children really love puppies more than they love their mothers? Something about that seems off...

I don't mean to antagonize, as I think this is a great framework through which to view things from our standpoint... but can someone explain this? I don't think I'm convinced that children love puppies more than their moms, and if that is in fact not true, then it kind of debunks the whole hierarchy.

[–]jeanclaudevanman 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

The flow of love trickles down from man. When a woman 'loves' a man or a child 'loves' their mom, the reciprocal love that is returned is in the form of honor and respect.

A woman will never be able to equally return a man’s love for her. Women and children instinctively expect love and care from their partner/parent. When those expectations of love are met, women and children reciprocate in alternate forms often mistaken for love.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

The flow of love trickles down from man. When a woman 'loves' a man or a child 'loves' their mom, the reciprocal love that is returned is in the form of honor and respect.

Very very well said. This is exactly how it is.

Loving downward is sacrifice. Loving upward is respect.

If people feel this distinction would help augment the essay, I'll add it.

[–]jeanclaudevanman 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I like the idea of adding it. Your article is very important with regards to a RP man in a LTR or married and if a man desires children.

[–]MentORPHEUS 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Loving downward is sacrifice. Loving upward is respect.

If people feel this distinction would help augment the essay, I'll add it.

Definitely add it. I've seen the love-trickles-downward part over and over on here without the complementary honor-and-respect-flow-upward to complete it. Brilliant!

[–]tiiiiiim 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hey I'm on mobile but I just wanted to let you know the link to your article is broken... I'll delete this comment once you see it

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Strange. Loads absolutely fine from this end.

[–]Dunkh 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Dammit Freud, you're drunk again! But damn that hit home. Also "...an optimistic egalitarian."

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also "...an optimistic egalitarian."

Eh, I originally put "a optimistic egalitarian" but wordpress corrected me. I'll double check with Word.

Edit: word agrees.

[–]1NightwingTRP 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He sees how women love their children, and upon making such an observation concludes that women are capable of great love. This is true, they are. But this is a love reserved for child, not man, and realistically it is a love that few men can ever hope to possess.

What man can hope to attain such love? I don't believe even the Leonardo Dicrapios of the world could achieve this. I agree with the original analysis from Rollo that women are simply incapable of offering men this kind of unconditional love.

[–]ToshiroOzuwara 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is beautiful. Thank you.

[–]RWDMARS -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The zodiac helped me understand the basis of the masculine and feminine love natures.

I know most of you don't believe in this, but what I see in the zodiac signs, is that there are 2 signs responsible for love are different, one is masculine, and one is feminine. The masculine sign of love is Libra, ruled by venus, and is all about compromise, sharing, giving, becoming one. While the female sign for loving is Taurus, also ruled by venus, which is characterized by permanency, stability, and the appreciation of how one feels.

The basis of a man is the fixed fire sign, leo, ruled by the sun. So already we are more stable, and being a fire sign we are more about action. The basis of a female is the cardinal water sign, cancer, ruled by the moon. So they are automatically more externally-oriented, impulsive, and emotional.

Because the default male sign is a fixed fire sign, we are already fairly stable (we don't change too quickly), and we are more self-oriented towards what we feel like doing. So a man's love nature is the opposite in the sign of compromise, "cardinal", so focused on what someone else wants. Meanwhile, while a woman's default sign is a cardinal water sign, they are automatically more impulsive, and their interests and attention is more fickle. So the feminine love sign is a fixed sign, so when they fall in love they feel like being a permanent partner. So basically it goes, if guys treat girls right, they'll stick around. And the man works (fire sign, leo), and the woman takes care of him and possibly the house (water sign, cancer [is a nurturing sign]). (Just the default setting, it doesn't have to be that way, there's much more to it because everyone is unique.)

Of course, a man can have feminine traits, and a female can have masculine traits. For example my girlfriend is like all fire, and I'm mostly feminine signs, so the roles are a bit reversed here. There is much more too it though than this, but it's interesting to me because it helps me understand the basics of the masculine and feminine love nature.