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[–]rp_valiant 7ポイント8ポイント  (9子コメント)

thank you for highlighting this post by /u/Gunplayin - I've linked him in to make further commentary.

one thing that seems to fall out of favour every now and then is the idea that sexual strategy is amoral. This means that we don't reject content based on its perceived immorality - we observe what works and then you as an individual need to decide whether or not to integrate the lesson, and if you do, in what manner. Dark Triad personality traits are VERY effective at getting a girl hooked on you - just like a weapon, these traits can be used for good or bad. /u/Gunplayin used these traits to mess with his girl and you have every right to condemn these actions if they do not fit within your moral framework but you should not cast off the fact that his techniques worked very, very well and this girl was practically addicted to him.

[–]2CopperFox3c 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

For those here who are not naturally Dark Triad, embracing and internalizing DT traits is usually further down the path, advanced level red pill stuff. One really needs to be fully past the Anger and Bargaining stages to pull it off: The 5 Stages of the Red Pill (from /u/Whisper)

Because you generally just wanna insert some DT traits, not go full-blown DT. When you are in the early stages of the Red Pill though, it's very hard to do that without just coming off like an asshole. It cannot be just a facade, you must internalize it.

There is a subtlety to it. You cannot just push, you must also pull on occasion. Be unpredictable. As /u/Varrian notes in the OP, there is a mix of tools you can use to this effect. Just remember that you cannot bring someone to the height of ecstasy without showing them the opposite, otherwise it's all just "white noise", all the same. There is no light without the darkness ... you must embrace both.

Take women on a rollercoaster of emotions, and they will love you madly for it.

[–]Atuli 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Your last point is very true, what happend to redpill being amoral? Times have changed I guess.

[–]rp_valiant 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I suspect it's a hard point to accept when you're still mostly BP and you see a FR of a guy clearly messing with a girl's emotions for kicks. That white knight reaction kicks in but you try to doublethink your way out of it by declaring the man's actions immoral and therefore unacceptable.

[–]Gunplayin 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Yep. I'm not sure I'd put her addiction in past tense. She's bringing back one of my ties I bound her with next weekend. I was definitely surprised by the response from people. One guy even said she'd find someone better than me. I believe that was him fantasizing about being the ultimate white knight saving her from a DT. Lol. Edit: Punctuation.

[–]rp_valiant 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

the past tense was more directed at having read your post in the past.

I'm sure that guy will be getting plenty of Good Boy Points from his mommy for standing up for random girls on the internet. I'm sure she's already his girlfriend in his mind.

[–]Gunplayin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're exactly right. Why someone would stand up for a random girl on the internet is beyond me.

[–]Gunplayin 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

The blue pill just picked this up lol...

[–]rp_valiant 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

fancy linking me up? Reading their impotent whining is always good for a laugh.

[edit] never mind, I found it. My tent is set up and I'm waiting patiently for the drama to roll in.

[–]MirrorObserver2 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Isn't that good for all the DT men that so many people still cannot accept and see the effectiveness of those type of behaviors?

You can try to convince them, of course, talking to their frontal cortex part, but you cannot control all of their brain functioning.

DT behaviors works because they function at the lowest levels of the brain. Being aware that they exist and how they work and perhaps learn a bit of them, will merely lower the probability of being attacked, which will never be even close to zero. This is just a fact, but of course it is not convenient to prove it, since most will still dream-think it should not be true.

[–]rp_valiant 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

at an abstract level, yes - Machiavellian tactics work best when the target is unaware of them. However, this is a forum for helping each other learn and improve; therefore it is acceptable to lower the mask in order to lay the benefits at the feet of our RP brothers.

[–]MirrorObserver2 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, unaware is obviously best.

You know, I tried different times (with different accounts) to unveil the mask and share some of the mentality, knowledge and techniques that goes behind a DT thinking. RP gave me some help, why not try to give back some (teaching can still clear and improve your thinking, even if it is a generous act, which of course it is not crossing my mind ever). But having no veil at all people still couldn't avoid to feel what they felt when reading me.

I realized that even those who I thought to be very aware and I thought they were really clever are still in some measure guided by their emotions. I know this for sure because I put them in a situation where they had only one best course of action to take, but they still didn't take it.

At one hand I'm happy, since I see that people who I though were really clever can still make mistakes.

What to say. Good luck to them, who will try to grab (if they wish so) some of the DT mentality from the known sources (books, and perhaps some personal experiences).

[–]rp_valiant 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I find the best way to get people to bite is to hint towards some of the things you can do when applying Machiavellian strategy, without being overt. Obvious examples also work e.g. Littlefinger from Game of Thrones being a very effective DT who built his personal holdings from a small patch of shitty land into effectively running the country's politics singlehandedly. However these stories don't apply to most people's lives as they don't put themselves into a position to gather power and influence in the first place.

For those who want to work their way up decent career ladders (we're talking wall street or VC, not your local graphics design agency) and work with a decent number of people they can use similar strategy, but in terms of RP material most users want to learn techniques to improve their game. Even though they're two sides of the same coin, I suspect most users want to learn one or the other and the latter is much better understood from a position of power in the former.

[–]trp_hamlet 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was just listening to the Mating Grounds podcast earlier today. It was an interview with Robert Greene (author of 48 Laws of Power and The Art of Seduction). He explained that we are naturally manipulative creatures: we modify our behavior based on who we are with. This is an essential part of our psychology from a young age, and not only that: Manipulation is rewarded in dating.

From wearing a better pair of shoes to gift giving to speaking in a manner that is designed to impress, it is all expected in dating. If the man is not manipulating, then women will complain that he is "not trying hard enough."

Not everything he said meshes 100% with TRP mindset, but it's damn close.

[–]MattyAnon 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

TRPer used Dark Triad tactics and it fucked up his relationship.

That sounds like a positive outcome to me.

you should make yourself aware of the manipulations that you are subjected to.

Women are winning in the dating game, and they are manipulating (lying, shaming, game playing) every step of the way to get more power and less accountability.

Nothing in this sub begins to compare to what women do... even the darker stuff is just scratching the surface of what women are capable of.

We start out behind, society is pro-women and anti-male, and we have to figure out our own (rising) value before someone else latches onto it and grabs a slice.

I'd say anything in this sub is fair game. (See how I used victim mentality and implied entitlement to justify anything? haha .... I do stand by it though)

[–]Movonnow 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

One could be the darkest dart triad douchebag ever seen on this sub he would not even begin to measure to women in that respect.

Men should stop caring of "not being too much of a manipulative prick".

[–]iLLprincipLeS 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The thoughtless, the ignorant, and the indolent, seeing only the apparent effects of things and not the things themselves, talk of luck, of fortune, and chance.

Seeing a man grow rich, they say, "How lucky he is!" Observing another become intellectual, they exclaim, "How highly favored he is!" and noting the saintly character and wide influence of another, they remark, "How chance aids him at every turn!"

They do not see the trials and failures and struggles which these men have voluntarily encountered in order to gain their experience; have no knowledge of the sacrifices they have made, of the undaunted efforts they have put forth, of the faith they have exercised, that they might overcome the apparently insurmountable, and realize the vision of their heart.

They do not know the darkness and the heartaches; they only see the light and joy, and call it "luck". They do not see the long and arduous journey, but only behold the pleasant goal, and call it "good fortune," do not understand the process, but only perceive the result, and call it "chance".

.. what i say is that you need to know the darkness to be able to see the light, or you might be blinded by the light into darkness and think you're still seeing the light.

[–]Movonnow 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Now, I do not think that everyone here should turn DT and start manipulating their wives/girlfriends/plates

Why?

Really, why? Because of some sort of moral code?

They will manipulate you, so manipulate them first. Plus, manipulation does not equal harming..

[–]1REDPILLRECKONING 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I really want to commend you on this post, because its true, dark triad stuff WILL blow up in your face if you use it "too early". The hardest part of getting a handle on Dark Triad stuff is just accepting that it really isn't as sinister as it seems. Learning to use it in the right situations can yield absurd gains to your dating life, but if you're trying to force it you will burn out.

[–]RedTheFuckUp 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This post right here. This is what we needed. Personally, I thought that DT guy was going over the top but that's his issue. The post was a good FR from a DT personality. Not condoning it but we are here to learn about strategy. Newbies need to know about all the tools that men and women use.