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[–]netsec_burn 535ポイント536ポイント  (42子コメント)

The vote on the USA Freedom Act has been postponed. We'll have a final vote on the three year extended revision to the PATRIOT act this week, as it advanced to a vote 3 hours ago 77-17.

[–]nick898 124ポイント125ポイント  (34子コメント)

Can you explain to me what that means...the Senate voted yes to a bill, but they need to vote on it again? I'm slightly confused. Does it go back to be revised and then will be brought up for another vote or something?

[–]Neckwrecker 550ポイント551ポイント  (31子コメント)

They voted to vote on it.

[–]gordonfroman 261ポイント262ポイント  (23子コメント)

democracy in bureaucracy

[–]moderndukes 142ポイント143ポイント  (21子コメント)

It's more of government loopholes and opportunism in action. The vote was to allow the bill to be brought back up and can only be filed by somebody who voted against it. This is why McConnell, despite supporting it, voted against it the other night.

[–]havocjewel 241ポイント242ポイント  (19子コメント)

That fucking spineless soulless asshole piece of shit.

[–]cal_student37 81ポイント82ポイント  (11子コメント)

This is an extremely common 'loophole' if you ever sit on HOA, board, or other similar organization. If you don't have your supporters with you, but know that you can get them to come to the next meeting then vote for the opposite side. At the next meeting you can move to reconsider it and get your way.

[–]HesBehindMeIsntHe 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

no, not exactly. it was a cloture vote to bust up Paul's inevitable filibuster and limit overall debate time to no more than 30 hours and (you're kind of right here) so they can vote on the Freedom Act as soon as possible.

[–]El_Bistro 2554ポイント2555ポイント  (603子コメント)

Congressional gridlock actually did something right. I don't believe it.

[–]manbergur 2377ポイント2378ポイント  (497子コメント)

You shouldn't believe it because the NSA is going to do whatever the fuck they want regardless of what congress says

[–]screech_owl_kachina 392ポイント393ポイント  (63子コメント)

Seriously, how do you even tell if a secret organization is doing what you tell it to do?

It's business as usual at the NSA.

[–]prosthetic4head 249ポイント250ポイント  (14子コメント)

Not only that, but time and time again congresspeople have shown/admitted they have no idea what is going on at the NSA anyway.

[–]Jordan117 216ポイント217ポイント  (4子コメント)

Not to mention all those times various CIA/NSA officials straight-up lied to Congress about the scope and power of their programs (as was later revealed by Snowden's leaks.)

[–]jaybestnz 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

Very interesting angle on that. The politicians asking the head of NSA were asking him point blank questions, but they have been in numerous secret briefings where its very clear what NSA was up to.

So you have a fake court where everyone knows the truth asking questions as if they didn't. He was being loyal to the secrecy and expected the politicians to speak up if they wanted it to be public.

He was looking worried and bewildered as he was not sure why they would do that. I'm not sure of my source as I read too much about this stuff.

He also said that he just plumb forgot - then why the fuck would he look nervous and say softeners like "not as far as I can recall"..

[–]DeadeyeDuncan 64ポイント65ポイント  (6子コメント)

That's probably partly because most politicians don't read bills they're voting on and that the system let's people smuggle changes to one bill/act/whatever by hiding the changes in another completely unrelated bill at the last minute.

[–]EmpTully 80ポイント81ポイント  (35子コメント)

It is not so much telling whoever what to do, it is a matter of funding. The program expiring means the nigh-unlimited funding will stop.

Granted, the NSA can still continue the surveillance if they really want using other funding, but why continue doing something your no longer being paid specifically to do if it will mean taking money from somewhere else?

[–]duffman489585 103ポイント104ポイント  (20子コメント)

Which is why heros like Snowden need to be protected if not rewarded.

[–]ifragbunniez 22ポイント23ポイント  (14子コメント)

He needs to be brought home.

[–]bogdaniuz 43ポイント44ポイント  (12子コメント)

Even if someone like POTUS says "Hey, Snowbro, it's okay go back home"

I think he'd rather not, because even if government will be on friendly terms with him, I fear there are few higher ups in NSA and whatelse that would like to have a nice "chat" with him.

[–]chakula 9ポイント10ポイント  (7子コメント)

I think the problem with Snowden isn't what he had said, but rather what information he has not released.

If I'm him I hold the aces to my chest. It's like a nuclear missile, an insurance policy.

I don't think POTUS wants Snowden because Snowden probably had enough information to bury POTUS.

[–]Fig1024 1704ポイント1705ポイント  (396子コメント)

they aren't ready to take over the government, but after Utah data centers are build and new data mining software is made, they could essentially self-fund by manipulating stock market, currency exchanges using inside info (by reading discussions between CEOs and shareholders)

and then get into the politics rigging game, by helping elect people who are supportive of them, while throwing dirt on opposition

and then eventually they could just make shit up and charge people with crimes simply cause everyone assumes that data collected by NSA is not compromised. Like if NSA says you been helping Bin Laden and prepare a 100 page report with emails, bank transactions, phone calls - good luck proving they made it up

[–]nakedjay 267ポイント268ポイント  (43子コメント)

Totally possible, just look at the power Hoover had at the FBI. He had dirt on everybody which made him untouchable.

[–]Hyperdrunk 203ポイント204ポイント  (33子コメント)

And if there isn't dirt to find they'll just make up some stuff. The FBI doctored photos and tried to blackmail Dr. Martin Luther King Jr... clearly they don't have moral scruples about that sort of thing.

Falsifying records to say you are into childporn, or that you evaded taxes, or that you took a bribe... or hell, even that you are super duper secretly racist for that matter. All can be done with a few man-hours of work by someone with such unfettered access to data.

[–]Alienm00se 155ポイント156ポイント  (6子コメント)

Well that's just absurd, it's almost as if you're implying that complete and total access to every electronic movement of every single human being on planet earth could somehow be abused! And by the government, no less!

[–]convoy465 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

This is exactly why our right to privacy is in the constitution and it's something we HAVE to always be fighting for. Data encryption is something that we should vote to be made a right. Can data encryption be abused? Sure, but as society progresses and we become more and more self-aware, it's going to be an oppressive government, not terrorism, that stops us from moving forward. Terrorism is by no means a good thing, but suppression of the will of the people is an even greater evil.

Edit : Now I'm on the list :(

[–]Alienm00se 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm personally far less afraid of the damage citizens can do with encryption than the damage the United States Government can do with decryption.

[–]GeeJo 72ポイント73ポイント  (9子コメント)

And if there isn't dirt to find they'll just make up some stuff. The FBI doctored photos and tried to blackmail Dr. Martin Luther King Jr

Everything here is true, but the way you've put them together is a bit deceptive. They did doctor photos on occasion for other purposes, and they did blackmail MLK, but they did not blackmail MLK with doctored photos. The photographs of his adultery were perfectly genuine.

[–]hempho 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

And with those photos that proved Hoover WAS a cross dresser makes one nostalgic for the simpler times of espionage.

[–]Sattorin 30ポイント31ポイント  (6子コメント)

MLK Jr. is just lucky there were no computers then, or he'd have been framed for child pornography after his first public rally.

[–]hktouk 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

Are there any shady cases of this possibly happening? I remember seeing on reddit some controversy about the Qwest guy getting done for insider trading after he refused to give customer data to the NSA (allegedly)

[–]dmg36 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Doctor Photos? They can simply put CP on your PC and thats it...

[–]JamesMean 453ポイント454ポイント  (115子コメント)

The bad news is that this totally sucks, the good news is that I'm kinda into cyberpunk and this will bring us one step closer to my favorite dystopias.

[–]FlyingApple31 922ポイント923ポイント  (77子コメント)

fans of dystopias like reading about them, not living in them

[–]UnaVidaNormal 310ポイント311ポイント  (55子コメント)

Yes, but imagine the kind of cyberpunk distopias that can be written living in a cyberpunk distopia.

[–]xeromage 351ポイント352ポイント  (51子コメント)

none. we will all be too busy taking data drugs and having sword battles in the streets.

[–]Random_Inet_Peep 28ポイント29ポイント  (24子コメント)

This dude is ready. If I'm a captain, I'm taking him as my first pick.

[–]bretsky99 35ポイント36ポイント  (4子コメント)

Typical fat white ninja warrior.

I guess you could say he's... Shinobese!

[–]Random_Inet_Peep 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

His assumed lack of endurance can be fixed. His mad skills with a sword in a dystopia where swords fights in the street determine if you live or die are priceless.

If the shit hits the fan, I'm going to regret not following through with my dreams of being a ninja once I was able to grow facial hair.

Thankfully that dude has me covered.

[–]barlister 47ポイント48ポイント  (4子コメント)

orcs with magic missiles!

[–]spazmodic- 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lots of darkness in those cyberpunk dystopias

[–]maxusatom7 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm going to a convention tomorrow and playing Shadowrun!

[–]uploader001 40ポイント41ポイント  (1子コメント)

I imagine they all end along the lines of

and then those who went against the system all died without really making a dent in our glorious democratic system that has heightened security to protect us against exactly this sort of situation

Y'know...cause of biases and such.

Down with dystopias!

[–]AdventuretimeEP 196ポイント197ポイント  (21子コメント)

He pretty much just described the CIA but with stocks instead of drugs and arms deals

[–]PARK_THE_BUS 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

Except any halfwit with any knowledge of how corporate law works would realize: "Hey, why doesn't this corporation have a business purpose yet always knows which stocks to cash out at exact times?"

To trade on insider information at that mass of a scale would get snuffed out quickly.

[–]fuzzypubiz 43ポイント44ポイント  (38子コメント)

My personal conspiracy theory is that our corporate overlords are actually running the NSA. Anytime scare tactics are used to drum up support for something, there's usually a handful of puppeteers that stand to gain the most.

[–]keepitcleanthistime 138ポイント139ポイント  (18子コメント)

I'm sure we'll get all kinds of headlines on all the major news outlets tomorrow morning in the form of:

"Families of 9/11 victims fear that lapse in intelligence agency powers will bring about Armageddon."

"Veterans and police in New York City express concern that terror attack may be immanent in wake of expiration of the Patriot Act"

"9/11 First Responder recounts her experiences the day of the attack."

"Experts fear that American intransigence emboldens ISIS."

and so on.

[–]ButteryNubs 44ポイント45ポイント  (9子コメント)

aww c'mon, surely the NSA can do better than a few sentimental headlines

"Major landmark X gets blown up a week after Patriot Act expires. Congress ready to do whats right to ensure this never happens again"

or maybe they'll start a little smaller "Shooting leaves 35 dead. Neighbor reportedly overheard man talking on phone about attack days before"

[–]zdepthcharge 61ポイント62ポイント  (8子コメント)

Not yet, but if the NSA decides it needs to "self fund" to stay "off the radar", they'd sell out to the corporates in a heartbeat. And the main reason the corporates would want that info is targeted advertising. In fiction we have grand villains that want to blow shit up, wreck great vengeance, destroy the world, but in real life our villains just want to sell us more crap we don't need or want.

[–]KidCheetos 25ポイント26ポイント  (1子コメント)

don't forget corporate espionage. Want to know what your German or Japanese competitor is going to do for the next four quarters? Ask the NSA. Want to steal technology research documents from your overseas competitors? Ask the NSA.

[–]whatlikeintexas 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

My theory is that when the government realizes it can't legally do something they just create a "business" that does the same shit, and that they can require to do so.

"Business" are becoming new branches of government almost entirely on their own.

[–]fuzzypubiz 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Kind of like us being an arms dealer to other governments?

[–]whatlikeintexas 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I'd say its in the same realm. I'd even go so far as to suggest that they allowed us to know about the NSA bullshit so we'd get appeased with shit like we're about to receive.

Now we have a branch thats not technically government, doing what the government wants, with less oversight.

Hooray for loopholes!

[–]flipperflooper 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

Holy speculation, Batman!

[–]lanceTHEkotara 13ポイント14ポイント  (3子コメント)

From my layman knowledge. Wouldn't it not matter anyways? Because how can you use evidence you obtained illegally in court?

[–]Treatid 57ポイント58ポイント  (1子コメント)

Parallel construction (A plausible, legal, reason to "discover" the information is constructed based on the illegal information they have).

Although the right accusation will bypass all those legal technicalities.

[–]LaResistance92 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

'An anonymous tip', 'Someone just left it on our doorstep'. If they really want to, they can get it admit it in court. They dont really need to, though, they could just run to some newspapers and effectively ruin your life that way.

[–]OneOfDozens 192ポイント193ポイント  (26子コメント)

Remember they're only talking about phone meta data they aren't talking about all the stuff they wont admit they do

[–]Used-Car-Salesman 197ポイント198ポイント  (19子コメント)

Phone metadata is a red herring argument. Everything you've ever written or even seen on the internet is an open book to the NSA through the backdoors that the major internet companies have conveniently provided for them and the tapping of fiber optic cables.

Who gives a shit about the number and duration of your calls? Internet anonymity no longer exists, and they can trawl through everything from your email to your okcupid activity to your posts on Reddit. Their internet surveillance violates the liberty of virtually every man, woman, and child that has ever touched a computer.

And we're talking about phone calls? Who even makes phone calls anymore!?

[–]abzillah 72ポイント73ポイント  (6子コメント)

This is all temporary, and will bring back big brother in a few days.

[–]eviscerations 65ポイント66ポイント  (4子コメント)

this. rand paul even conceded this point on the senate floor today. they're taking up the house bill monday afternoon and will likely put it to a vote tuesday or wednesday.

702 and 215 and other bits of the patriot act will be extended until 2019, while simply shifting the responsibility of who holds that telephone metadata onto the telcos. and nothing happens, to the best of my knowledge, in regards to email records.

[–]IdoTo 33ポイント34ポイント  (1子コメント)

And since the NSA already has the infrastructure in place the telcos will probably just use it and say they are saving all the data to the cloud without mentioning who is providing the service.

[–]Eurynom0s 28ポイント29ポイント  (0子コメント)

The NSA probably won't even stop. With classified law who the fuck knows what they claim the law says.

[–]Pixelgin 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Honestly this seems like an even worse option. The telcos won't think twice about handing over the data. All this does is force an extra cost of business onto consumers and introduces a large collection of personal data that probably won't be secured very well. Private business doesn't give a shit about security beyond the bare basics. At least the government can leverage higher grade technology or use their alternatives to standard Internet to access the data.

Ideally, we would have zero data collected on Americans. Second best is having the intelligent people actually store the data correctly.

[–]Batraman 40ポイント41ポイント  (14子コメント)

I really don't believe it. I don't know how there would be any proof that they have stopped but until I get some concrete proof, I don't believe it.

[–]Alienm00se 117ポイント118ポイント  (12子コメント)

I don't blame you. Because quite honestly; the government has given itself unlimited access to the most powerful tool/weapon/technology in human history.

I mean the ability to see and hear everything that goes on across the entire planet, to type a name into a computer and see plain as day the secrets of, track the movements of, and hear the conversations of any person anywhere in the world at any time is the stuff of fiction. Its a superweapon. It's the information equivalent of the Death Star.

This is stuff that authors only ever even imagined as being possible with magic and its here, now, looming like the tower of Isengard over some desert in the Midwest.

I don't blame you for believing that because what we're talking about here is a supreme power. It is the holy grail of surveillance and subversion in the same way that cold fusion is the holy grail of energy, or warp 10 is the holy grail of transportation, or the singularity is the holy grail of computing.

And now that it's here there is simply no way that someone, somewhere is not going to use it for personal, financial and political gain because this - thing - that they've built is frankly above the laws of man.

The people of the Earth and their leaders, the United States Congress, even the people who think that they control this thing can all talk about abolishing it but it will never, ever happen.

The minute they switched this thing on a new chapter in human history began; just as it did when Oppenheimer ignited atomic fire in yet another desert in the Midwestern United States.

Just as there was on that day: there's just no going back from here.

Edit: Thanks for Gold. Wish it was under better circumstances..

[–]elected_felon 11ポイント12ポイント  (6子コメント)

We are living at the end of time and the beginning of history. Where virtually every human interaction and transaction are recorded in perpetuity.

[–]eatinchapstick 63ポイント64ポイント  (26子コメント)

internet confetti bomb

I can actually say that now without tweaking.

[–]WhyDoges 31ポイント32ポイント  (19子コメント)

You typed bomb and the NSA won't be coming to your door!

[–]FourAM 53ポイント54ポイント  (16子コメント)

Nope, they still record everything on the internet, and the content of your phone calls. They just stopped recording who your are calling and when, and probably only until 2AM Tuesday when the next vote can take place.

[–]Bigbrotherxp 32ポイント33ポイント  (15子コメント)

Nothing has stopped. The only thing that will ever stop is the leaks.

[–]fairdreamer 52ポイント53ポイント  (13子コメント)

We need to support the Surveillance State Repeal Act, which is currently sitting in the house of representatives. Whistleblowers will have protection, all data that has been collected without a warrant will be destroyed, bulk data collection will end, and the NSA will not be allowed to put backdoors into devices like our phones and hard drives.

[–]ArguingPizza 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is actually how congressional gridlock is supposed to work. People think it just happens because of partisanship, but it is a built-in feature of our system of government. When Arizona made changes to how their votes in the state legislature, that was when you saw all those racial profiling laws pass. Gridlock exists to ensure that only the really important stuff gets passed. It doesn't always manage to filter the bad stuff out, and it also hampers the good stuff, but it does help overall.

[–]officialbum 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Filibuster was invented for a reason. This is it.

[–]NeitherPigNorPork 119ポイント120ポイント  (6子コメント)

"The NSA then has until 8:00 p.m. to cancel the shutdown. At that point, it is irreversible. Once the database is shut down, it would take an entire day to restart the system. "

I can't reconcile "irreversible" with "taking a whole day" to restart.

Doesn't the newspaper reporter even knows what the word "irreversible" mean?

[–]d1squiet 26ポイント27ポイント  (4子コメント)

I gather he considers "irreversible" anything that you can't just hit control-z to rectify.

[–]rzet 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

...This is such propaganda bs stunt.

[–]EggrollsForever 1063ポイント1064ポイント  (320子コメント)

Program names like "Patriot Act" and "USA Freedom Act" is why shit can't get fixed in this country, because if a politician says "I'm against the 'USA Freedom Act!,'" the uneducated masses think, "He's against the USA Freedom Act! He's anti-freedom, he's anti-American!" When they don't know what the act is actually about. They name these things like this on purpose.

[–]helpful_hank 94ポイント95ポイント  (5子コメント)

Maybe they should make a "Proper Naming Act" whereby things aren't allowed to be named anything except after people (e.g., Glass-Steagall Act).

There's good precedent for this. Confucius recommended it long ago:

Tsze-lu said, “The ruler of Wei has been waiting for you, in order with you to administer the government. What will you consider the first thing to be done?”

The Master replied, “What is necessary is to rectify names.”

“If names be not correct, language is not in accordance with the truth of things. If language be not in accordance with the truth of things, affairs cannot be carried on to success."

“Therefore a superior man considers it necessary that the names he uses may be spoken appropriately, and also that what he speaks may be carried out appropriately. What the superior man requires is just that in his words there may be nothing incorrect.

[Source]

For the best crash course there is on modern language machinations, see George Carlin's speech at the National Press Club (if you've only seen his standup, you haven't seen this -- it's also very funny, and I regard it as a top-tier lecture on the illness of modern discourse).

[–]ofd227 321ポイント322ポイント  (62子コメント)

Just like the SAFE Act. Its all BS

[–]BrassBass 145ポイント146ポイント  (58子コメント)

I just looked that up. WHAT THE FUCK MAN?!! They passed that bill in THE MIDDLE OF THE GOD DAMN NIGHT.

LOOK AT HOW MUCH THAT STATE WAS AGAINST IT! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NY_SAFE_Act#/media/File:County-Opposition-to-SAFE-Act.jpg

More info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NY_SAFE_Act

[–]wanktanka 122ポイント123ポイント  (36子コメント)

LOOK AT HOW MUCH THAT STATE WAS AGAINST IT!

dude ... did you even read anything in that link that you just showed? 63% of registered NY state voters support this bill. Regardless this is a classic example of rural areas vs city areas clashing over an issue and there isnt a really good way to sort out this problem. I'm sure that the vast majority of support for this bill came from urban areas like NYC and Albany. and you could argue that its unfair for people who live in the cities to push something on rural areas like this. However on the other hand if the vast majority of people live in cities and feel this way is it fair to have such a large population beholden to a significantly smaller population of people?

There is no easy answer and you are simplifying a complicated issue.

[–]FireFromTheWire 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

Politician: "I am against the PIZZA act. " Everyone: "Hey that guy hates pizza!"

[–]qous 34ポイント35ポイント  (0子コメント)

Net-Neutrality Act

There isn't anything neutral in that!

[–]gonnaupvote3 119ポイント120ポイント  (225子コメント)

Affordable Care Act

[–]TechnicianOrWhateva 94ポイント95ポイント  (218子コメント)

I'll bite...

Hey, the affordable care act has really helped a large majority of the population who otherwise would be stuck without healthcare.

ROUND 1: FFFIGHT!

Quick edit: just being an ass, I have no opinion either way...please don't flame me reddits....

[–]whatlikeintexas 236ポイント237ポイント  (165子コメント)

I have to pay over a hundred a month, and my deductible is fucking 6,000.

I CAN NOT pay that deductible. So I essentially get ZERO benefit. I have to either pay over 100 a month or receive no tax return.

This "affordable care" did nothing but fuck me. For the lower class this is just another direct tax on wages that provides no benefit to them. (It'd actually help me it it weren't for Texas)

The middle class benefits some.

And the sad thing is its so highly politicized people assume you must hate the poor for not wanting it implemented. I AM POOR, and it fucks me without helping me. Thats why I hate it. The shit needs repealed.

Edit: After some discussion, some heated and some not. I've been informed its because the state of Texas denied medicaid expansion. Fuck Texas.

[–]WECGEWHYAAIORTNU 65ポイント66ポイント  (33子コメント)

I had essentially negative insurance as well until recently (job change). I was paying $120 a week for family insurance (old job provided) that didn't even meet the ACA requirements- I didn't find that out until march of the year while settling some medical bills after a health incident that ended up costing me $7000, of which insurance covered $100. I'd paid in about 6 months of insurance at that rate and got precisely dick back. On top of that when I found out, it was too late to enroll in new insurance because the healthcare market enrollment had closed and I'll get a penalty at the end of the year. So "your insurance does not qualify for the minimum requirement and you will incur a penalty for not having coverage, no you cannot buy new coverage without a qualifying event". And I paid in 6 * 4 * $120 and got back $100 when I needed it most. Fuck that.

[–]whatlikeintexas 49ポイント50ポイント  (32子コメント)

People aren't understanding that if you make under 20k this shit doesn't help cover anything for you. You will never have enough to meet what is required to receive coverage. Its just another tax. Only this tax doesn't benefit you.

[–]Zaev 62ポイント63ポイント  (2子コメント)

I make $16k a year, and my insurance through my state's marketplace is extremely affordable (thanks to subsidies). I pay $20/mo ($180-$160 tax credit) with a $500 annual out-of-pocket maximum.

[–]WECGEWHYAAIORTNU 27ポイント28ポイント  (18子コメント)

I actually wrote the president about my experience. I got back a letter, but who knows if he actually ever saw it.

http://i.imgur.com/MtiwswK.png

[–]Galt2112 38ポイント39ポイント  (12子コメント)

Of course he didn't. Not even local congressmen read letters.

[–]WECGEWHYAAIORTNU 10ポイント11ポイント  (5子コメント)

Yeah I had no illusions about that.

[–]FlapjackStorm 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

No one seems to have even proof read it. As evident by the weird typo in the last paragraph with the ampersand.

[–]justafool 26ポイント27ポイント  (1子コメント)

I just lost my job in April and with it I lost my company-provided insurance. My roommate convinced me to see what the Marketplace could provide me. After telling them that i lost my job, that I am 24, made under 20k, and don't smoke, they told me that I am eligible for a $140 monthly credit to health insurance. The plans they quoted for me cost about $80 a month after the credit and has excellent coverage. $5 primary care visits for illness, $5 rx coverage, $100 ER visits, mental health coverage, etc. Not only that but they souped up my total percentage of coverage to exceed the gold level at a silver level plan/cost.

This all isn't nearly as good as a single payer system and frankly my demographics certainly helped. But I'm ecstatic with the Marketplace and the ACA.

[–]Lava_Gun 39ポイント40ポイント  (25子コメント)

I'm a college student who had no insurance before, and now I have 0 deductible, copay, and monthly payments, etc. It sucks that it shafted you, but it's really nice that I don't have to worry about getting an enormous amount of debt if something unforeseeable happens, like getting hit by a car or something.. Do you have to pay that 6000 up front, or would you be able to pay it in installments? If installments, then surely that's better than being stuck with a $20000 bill or something, right?

[–]theonlynick 45ポイント46ポイント  (11子コメント)

He has to pay over $1,200 a year in monthly payments just to have insurance. And then he has to pay every time he goes to the doctor up to the $6,000. He doesn't get "free" healthcare until after that point.

Yes it's better than having a $20,000 bill but if you can't afford to pay the $7,200 you're going bankrupt anyway.

[–]pkulak 24ポイント25ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yes, you can pay that deductible. If you get pancreatitis and spend a week in the hospital, you can find a way to pay 6 grand and avoid bankruptcy. I know this, because by telling me you pay 100 bucks for that plan, I know how much money you make.

And yes, maybe you feel like you get no benefit because you're no longer allowed to have no insurance and just never pay medical bills, but tough shit. Health care is really, really, really fucking expensive. Like, up there with housing. You telling me you pay $100 a month for health care is like bitching that $100/month for your apartment is too much money. My family pays about $1200 a month and our deductible is 10 grand. Your complaining doesn't really do anything for me.

Now, is health CARE too expensive? Yes! Absolutely! But the people who named the bill are not the people who called the cost controls "death panels" and forced them out.

[–]SilentRover 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

So, someone who pays $100/month makes a lot of money?

When I checked with the ACA website looking to sign up quite a while ago now, none of the available plans were that cheap. I had basically zero income at the time, my only source of money was grant/loan money for school. The cheapest plans were around $200-$300 per month and after I put in my information it said I didn't qualify for any special compensations (I'm a single guy w/o kids). I ended up just going without insurance because I couldn't afford it. So, was I doing something wrong or is my state (FL) just terrible?

[–]gonnaupvote3 68ポイント69ポイント  (42子コメント)

The ACA forced Americans to give money to insurance companies or face penalties.

It has also caused large numbers of employers to hire less full time employees up to and including Obama's Home State of Illinois eliminated 13% of full time jobs replacing them with part time jobs.

Insurance companies are making record profits while the middle class suffers

[–]ghodith 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

It has also caused large numbers of employers to hire less full time employees up to and including Obama's Home State of Illinois eliminated 13% of full time jobs replacing them with part time jobs.

Do you have a source for this? I am not doubting otherwise or trying to be hostile, I just cannot accept this information as truthful without something to back it up.

Especially as half of reddit will claim one way and the other completely different...

[–]whatlikeintexas 48ポイント49ポイント  (36子コメント)

And meanwhile the lower class is paying for insurance that doesn't cover them.

Yeah, someone who makes less than 20k a year is totally going to pay that 6k deductible.

Its fucking hilarious that they call it "affordable care".

[–]PutmeinKoch 31ポイント32ポイント  (2子コメント)

The deductible is still payable in payments, so there is still a benefit to those who're truly uninsured/formerly uninsurable.

If the original Obamacare had been allowed to pass there would have been actual reform at the insurance co. level which is clearly still the major issue.

[–]zoidbug 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

My job (retail) quit hiring full time and is replacing it with part time giving just enough hours to not have to help as much with Healthcare because of aca atleast that is the excuse. I have many other friends at varying companies who are being told the same and we are picking up second jobs while trying to find a job that will give enough hours and pay.

[–]Boredguy32 349ポイント350ポイント  (14子コメント)

Well, time to re-brand it and continue business as usual under a different program.

[–]hurtsdonut_ 210ポイント211ポイント  (9子コメント)

Already has been it's called the USA Freedom Act.

[–]skywide 48ポイント49ポイント  (3子コメント)

I swear we unplugged everything! Honest!

[–]kslidz 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

Not really at all. Read the freedom act, it gives access to the same type of records but it REQUIRES some sort of proof of affiliation before hand and it has to hold up in a court of law. Not only that but it requires significantly more open and honest proceedings, so think about when microsoft and other companies were creating backdoors into their software but were not allowed to go public. The freedom act would protect them to take it to court. While I am weary I think it is exactly what is needed, there needs to be a way to obtain information with proper prior proof, it just cant be unlimited access like the patriot act gave.

[–]Justicles13 130ポイント131ポイント  (33子コメント)

Can someone more informed tell me why I shouldn't be optimistic about this?

[–]netsec_burn 240ポイント241ポイント  (18子コメント)

The USA Freedom Act will renew the PATRIOT act's provisions on still unacceptable terms. This time for three years. And it's going to a vote this week.

[–]Katastic_Voyage 215ポイント216ポイント  (10子コメント)

It's worse than renewing it. It extends their powers and forces telephone companies to store dragnet data of all calls instead of the NSA having to try and manually tap and store all of that data.

It's an NSA chairman's wet dream of bills. That's why they're not fighting against the bill. They want it.

That would be like the NSA asking Wal-Mart for your DNA sample, Wal-Mart going "we don't record that information so we can't give it to you." and then the NSA getting Congress to pass a bill that forces Wal-Mart to buy blood scanning equipment for all of their stores.

[–]nick898 34ポイント35ポイント  (6子コメント)

Very good point, but this isn't the only difference there are also some transparency requirements and the bill would limit the government's ability to collect other various records in bulk. It's a very, very small step, but even something like this would have been unthinkable before Snowden. It shows how much the tide has turned in such a short time.

[–]DoIHaveToCare 35ポイント36ポイント  (5子コメント)

...there are also some transparency requirements and the bill would limit the government's ability to collect other various records in bulk.

"We're going to drain all of your blood but we'll document it as we go, and we'll leave some of the marrow. "

[–]Violets-Are-Blue 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

You get to keep one platelet as a souvenir just as long as you don't use it to stop the bleeding.

[–]bokavitch 35ポイント36ポイント  (2子コメント)

The USA freedom act is on schedule to pass in three days. It essentially re-authorizes the Patriot Act while making a few cosmetic changes.

[–]Kishara 102ポイント103ポイント  (30子コメント)

It really really sucks that they are going to pass the idiotic USA Freedom Act. But I gotta say that Rand Paul got a new fan in me today. His speech on the senate floor was historic and perfect. I may never agree with some of his politics, but for anything to do with the intelligence agencies he has my support.

[–]Frostiken 38ポイント39ポイント  (20子コメント)

Honestly Rand's more fringe stuff shouldn't really turn people off from him. Like Bernie Sanders, all of that fringe stuff is going to be irrelevant if he's looking for / gets the presidency.

[–]MAN_ipulated 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Had to scroll this far down to see anything about Rand Paul. Seems like the MSM is really trying to bury this guy. It's a shame because for the first time in a while I feel like there is a leader who has conservative fiscal policies, and libertine social policies that are relevant to me and my generation.

[–]nosotros_road_sodium 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

NY Times: With Surveillance Program Set to Expire, Senate Turns Toward Limits

Still, the Senate signaled that it was ready to curtail the National Security Agency’s bulk data collection program with likely passage this week of legislation that would shift the storage of telephone records from the government to the phone companies. The House overwhelmingly passed that bill last month. Senators voted, 77 to 17, on Sunday to take up the House bill.

[–]louis-wu 12ポイント13ポイント  (5子コメント)

Rand Paul did a good thing forcing the expiration of those provisions of the so called Patriot Act.

Will the expiration really prevent the NSA from continuing to gather information on U.S. citizens wholesale without a warrant? Probably not.

Will congress in a few weeks simply reinstate the program? Probably.

The real question should be "Why would any of our elected representatives in the House or the Senate vote on a bill to spy on U.S. citizens in violation of the Constitution?". And since they have done it and will probably do it again, what do they stand to gain by selling out the American people?

[–]pickering1 31ポイント32ポイント  (5子コメント)

Contact your congressman and senator and tell them you don't want this stuff passed!

[–]tgaeta 156ポイント157ポイント  (75子コメント)

Rand has never looked this cool | source | original tweet

[–]IhateourLives 62ポイント63ポイント  (3子コメント)

Justin Amash is a bad mother fucker. He is the only congressman I know of that posts in detail every vote he makes and why on his facebook. He also has won the attendance award or whatever like 3 times.

[–]photonblaster9000 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hopefully, if the circumstances were to allow it, Rand Paul would choose him as his VP

[–]Frostiken 22ポイント23ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's the guy I want for our next president. He's intelligent, he gets shit done, and sticks to his guns. And he's not Hillary.

[–]NewModsAreCool 147ポイント148ポイント  (65子コメント)

It's amazing to see a politician carry action over from their rhetoric. Rand is easily one of my most admired public figures.

It'll be an interesting competition among Republicans for their Presidential and Vice-Presidential nominees.

I'm not sure Democrats can match the diversity of candidates they've put forward. Who do they have—two old Baby Boomers in Sanders and Clinton, the latter rife with scandal and incompetence?

Now we just need to make mainstream some strong support for auditing and ending the fed.

edit: grammars

[–]alexunderwater 124ポイント125ポイント  (14子コメント)

Reddit servers would burst into flames if it was Sanders v Paul in the general election. (gotta admit, I would love that though)

[–]Piogre 57ポイント58ポイント  (12子コメント)

Same- I mostly liked Ron and felt kinda meh on Rand in the past, but he's really stepped it up. If 2016 was Rand vs Sanders I could probably be swayed either way, depending how the election goes- and hopefully, the competition between them would serve to refine the two to improve.

[–]-mb- 45ポイント46ポイント  (7子コメント)

I'm in the same boat. I think Bernie is a rare genuine politician but I don't believe in socialism. I'll likely be voting for Rand if he keeps doing things like this.

[–]Xylth 62ポイント63ポイント  (6子コメント)

I really, really want Paul to win the Republican nomination. Not because I really want him to be president, but because if he's the nominee, whoever the Democrat is will have to debate him on civil liberties. I want to watch that.

[–]YouShouldKnowThis1 38ポイント39ポイント  (3子コメント)

Oh god, you said this on Reddit. Prepare your inbox.

[–]asymptoticallythere 23ポイント24ポイント  (2子コメント)

I am amazed not a single story has made to the front page, since its at the top of google news. And reddit typically hates NSA.

[–]HesBehindMeIsntHe 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

the front page of reddit is vastly different from what it was just a few years ago. instead of a technology/news/meme aggregator it has become just a general entertainment aggregator.

[–]x4GTNshinigami 16ポイント17ポイント  (26子コメント)

Alright I'll bite I usually swing widely liberal, but I haven't being paying much attention to potential candidates this time around. So why should I vote for rand instead of say clinton?

[–]foster_remington 37ポイント38ポイント  (3子コメント)

Clinton doesn't stand for anything that the public actually wants but can't seem to ever find among the major parties.

She won't in any way change foreign policy or decrease the insanely bloated military budget, she won't in any way work to restore our constitutional rights that have been taken away, she won't in any way work to reform Wall Street, the 'too big to fail banks' or any other glaring problem of our financial sector, she won't work to decriminalize drugs any faster than the absolute status quo of the general public requires it.

Basically, if you consider yourself a 'liberal,' then Hillary doesn't stand for any of the things you believe in, besides giving the bare minimum of required 'nods' towards 'equality' and 'supporting the middle class' which are basically statements that mean nothing.

[–]NewModsAreCool 27ポイント28ポイント  (9子コメント)

I'm not one to tell you who you should vote for. That's a personal decision.

His campaign site gives a breakdown of his positions by issue:

https://www.randpaul.com/issues

Personally, I'm hoping that he's at least a frontrunner for the nomination. Getting criminal justice and drug reform on the table seem like the next salient political battlegrounds, and libertarians like Rand, have been at that forefront for decades.

[–]lightcloud5 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, given the topic of this post, if you care about internet/phone privacy, Rand has made that his centerpiece of his campaign, and basically no other candidate has.

[–]cockbone 14ポイント15ポイント  (8子コメント)

why should I vote for rand instead of say clinton

He's not a typical corrupt politician, or at least seems not to be. Hilary is about as corrupt as I've seen.

[–]tacosforbreakfastt 21ポイント22ポイント  (5子コメント)

You are undoubtedly going to get downvoted into oblivion but I wanted to let you know that I agree with you.

[–]HesBehindMeIsntHe 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

i think the original photo is cooler

[–]Knoscrubs 95ポイント96ポイント  (13子コメント)

Thank you Rand Paul. Well done.

[–]havocjewel 37ポイント38ポイント  (6子コメント)

It's not over yet...

[–]-mb- 36ポイント37ポイント  (1子コメント)

True. Let's keep this story in the news and support Rand.

[–]dgauss 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even if you don't like 90% of his policies, backing him on this will send a strong message.

[–]IH8creepers00000 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I just saw him in an interview with Jon Stewart saying he rambled on (the word is slipping me atm) for 11 hours to help block it.

[–]smallsmallness 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Steady on. Let's see if they pass "USA Freedom Act" this week. Spoiler: they will

[–]DatSergal 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

"I don't want us to be in a situation in which, for a certain period of time, those authorities go away and suddenly we're dark and, heaven forbid, we've got a problem where we could have prevented a terrorist attack or apprehended someone who was engaged in dangerous activity, but we didn't do so simply because of inaction in the Senate," Obama said after meeting with Attorney General Loretta Lynch Friday in the Oval Office.

Didn't something come out showing how mass data gathering hasn't prevented a single terrorist attack?

[–]bokavitch 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's only going to stay expired for 3 days according to Rep. Thomas Massie (a major opponent of the Patriot Act in the house). Basically due to a technicality in the legislative timetable it's going to expire until the senate resumes debate on the "USA Freedom Act" in three days. The odds that will pass are overwhelming, but it only makes cosmetic changes to the Patriot Act while essentially keeping the program intact.

[–]worldestroyer 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is extremely misleading. THERE WAS A DEAL. The USA FREEDOM act got voted a time extension. It'll be voted on in a couple days then signed in by Obama as planned.

It makes it so it's not explicitly allowed, but does not inhibit or explicitly deny mass bulk Phone connection and does not add any real oversight. To put it into perspective, The surveillance community was supporting the bill.

[–]Frostiken 21ポイント22ポイント  (6子コメント)

And a Republican led the way on this.

I wonder what mental gymnastics /r/politics is doing to avoid mentioning the 'R-word' in a positive light.

[–]Gazzarris 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

The best line in the article was the Senate Minority Leader screaming at McConnell on the Senate Floor to just bring it up for a vote and pass it. This is what you get when you are a straight-ticket or single-issue voter.

[–]tester1000 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Unfortunately they will probably just renew it later this week

[–]DineLointHarpie 85ポイント86ポイント  (33子コメント)

Why was reddit hero Bernie Sanders MIA when it came to fighting this? Does he support the surveillance state and destroying of our privacy?

[–]DeathByTrayItShallBe 74ポイント75ポイント  (30子コメント)

He's been pretty vocal about it actually. He voted against the Patriot Act and against renewing it. Privacy is one of his 'stump' issues. However he is expected to vote for the "Freedom Act" while saying it doesn't go far enough, but the Act isn't what it appears to be and expands spying rather than stopping it.

[–]photonblaster9000 62ポイント63ポイント  (5子コメント)

However he is expected to vote for the "Freedom Act" while saying it doesn't go far enough, but the Act isn't what it appears to be and expands spying rather than stopping it.

This should be in bold.

[–]isiramteal 40ポイント41ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not only that, but he's a co-sponsor of the USA Freedom Act.

[–]Pixelgin 33ポイント34ポイント  (16子コメント)

Yeah, I was kind of starting to like Sanders. Then I read about him voting yes to this... Now I feel like he's probably not all that unique.

Obama made several vows to remove the Patriot Act when running against McCain. It's one of the few reasons I voted for him. Obviously that didn't work out. I'm starting to get the same vibe from Sanders.

[–]recoverybelow 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bernie sanders fucking cosponsored this bill

[–]RealityGenius 29ポイント30ポイント  (0子コメント)

for anyone looking for a real time feed, events are still unfolding.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2015/may/31/nsa-patriot-act-surveillance-reform-usa-freedom-live

Edit: Event's are no longer unfolding. The link provides a basic summary, for anyone still interested.

USA Freedom Act poised for passage

The USA Freedom Act is likely to pass Congress early this week. It is the first significant rollback of NSA surveillance that has been approved.

Controversial provisions of the Patriot Act will expire at midnight. Many of them will come back into effect once President Obama signs the USA Freedom Act and it is unclear how much of an impediment it will be to law enforcement efforts to monitor terrorism.

Despite the fact Rand Paul is not getting the reforms he desired, this is still a big win for the Kentucky Republican. While Paul would likely describe the NSA reforms in the USA Freedom Act as deeply inadequate, the Kentucky senator has forced Mitch McConnell and many Republicans to support a bill that they found anathema just a week ago.

In the United States Senate, it’s all about procedure and not issues. While to many Americans, the debate about NSA surveillance revolved around fundamental questions about balancing liberty and security, the issues on Capitol Hill tonight were all about unanimous consent agreements and motions to consider to motions to proceed.

I hope this helps.

[–]Ragnar__Danneskjold 26ポイント27ポイント  (1子コメント)

Alright! Way to go Rand! If you will it, it is no dream.

[–]LordTokesAlot 36ポイント37ポイント  (6子コメント)

Y'know, I could live with Domestic spying, if it did what they said. If their program had stopped terrorists from planning another 9/11, I might have gotten behind it. But the program didnt stop the boston marathon, didn't stop Sandy Hook, hasn't done shit to stop ISIS's social network recruiting. How many of those fuckers trying to fly to the middle east do we miss for every one we catch?

[–]florideWeakensUrWill 54ポイント55ポイント  (3子コメント)

This mentality is extremely dangerous.

Soon you will see both points addressed. We can stop Sandy Hook shootings if we expand the program. Or look at the Somalian terrorist we stopped from attacking a festival.

Both of these will be used, and as you get older, you will have a family, your emotions will be pulled when political commercials talking about 'children' and 'family' safety.

Its important to recognize these violent acts are extremely uncommon, and your largest sources of death come from poor diet, and injury from cars.

Your significant other is far more likely to kill you than a terrorist, but you continue to date. What if I told you, you could eliminate your risk by never leaving the house?

[–]budgiebum 8ポイント9ポイント  (6子コメント)

Okay, so what's it's new name? Is anyone stupid enough to believe the government would give up this power?

[–]badsingularity 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

All the powers will be given back once Obama signs the "USA Freedom Act". Now they require the telecommunications companies to keep your data instead of the Government, which is worse, because now any idiot working for Comcast can read your data.

[–]A_sexy_black_man 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

More like the NSA spy program will expire from the publics knowing. Only reason we even know it existed is because of Snowden and that was years ago. Who knows what they've accomplished since this news

[–]LittleSandor 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pretty much. Publicly "close down" what Snowden revealed so they can bring it back privately without scrutiny. The problem is they can't really ever go back to the pre-Snowden era. People have seen their powers and they know they're not going to give them up. Going forward all this is good for is keeping tabs on the general population, any criminal worth their salt will be operating either off grid or with extreme caution and encryption.

[–]anothercarguy 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

Until there is an executive order to the contrary?

[–]just_too_kind 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

Or the NSA just secretly interprets the USA Freedom Act to do even worse things?

[–]codevii 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Holy shit, they're giving Rand Paul credit for this...

[–]AssesAssesEverywhere 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

I believe this is going to happen as much as I believe that Mary Poppins is going to drift in my window today and choke me with her 12“flaccid cock.

[–]orr250mph 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

"The Inspector General of US Dept of Justice released a report in May admitting that the spying allowed in the Patriot Act resulted in zero terrorism cases being broken by the FBI." // so we now know that neither mass data collection nor torture is useful.

[–]anonymau5 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

As far as what the public knows, sure

[–]Cairnsian 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh wonderful! Everyone in the USA can live happily ever after!

[–]Gingiro 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The old plan got too infamous, the newer plan, the one we're not going to hear about till years later is already in place.