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Charlie HebdoThousands of British Muslims protest against Charlie Hebdo magazine for publishing cartoons of Prophet Mohammed (dailymail.co.uk)

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[–]Sky1- 174ポイント175ポイント  (13子コメント)

Drawing Muhammad or anyone else isn't inherently disrespectful. However, it is against the laws in Islam to depict their prophet. When Muslims ask you to respect their faith and not draw Muhammad, they are not really asking for respect. When Muslims ask you not to interrupt them during prayers or tempt them during Ramadan, then they are asking for respect. When Muslims ask you not to draw Muhammad, they actually asking you to follow a tenet of Islam. They are asserting their religious beliefs on you. They are trying to oppress you in a sense, whether or not they understand it.

When they protest against a non-Muslim who has drawn Mohammed's picture, it is not a legitimate protest. If a non-Muslim forces a Muslim to draw a picture of Muhammad, that would be a cause for a legitimate protest. However, when they protest against drawings made by non-Muslims, it is akin to a mob protesting blasphemers and heretics. In the West we believe in free speech and religious freedom, but Muslims in the East see this as an affront to what's good and holy and society itself. Our doctrine of free speech is a blasphemy. But these protests are as barbaric as protesting against Christians having a church because a trinitarian conception of God contradicts Islam. We should see it as such.

courtesy of /u/GSKPMBB

[–]slurpme 37ポイント38ポイント  (1子コメント)

In short the people complaining are saying they have a right to not be offended... But offense is taken not given...

[–]Aceofspades25 34ポイント35ポイント  (1子コメント)

The stupidity here is that they see this as akin to racism or islamophobia.

A number of well spoken Muslim scholars have come out in defense of blasphemy laws saying that offending religious sensibilities is equivalent to hate speech.

Why a well educated person cannot see that criticising a religion is not the same thing as hating a people group is beyond me.

[–]deepthink42 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Cognitive dissonance.

[–]_Kaiser 9ポイント10ポイント  (4子コメント)

People will always get offended, as long as it doesn't lead to violence I don't see why you got to make up shit like this.

Making fun of someone else's culture will always result in offense, its simple logic. As long as you're making fun of people then the people you're making fun of should have a right to say something.

Doesn't mean you have to abandon the right to free speech though.

[–]FreudJesusGod 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is the correct response. I support the right to peaceful protest against the content of my free speech.

If you were to demand I no longer have a right to free speech is when I tell you to go fuck yourself.

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      [–]blamtucky 302ポイント303ポイント  (145子コメント)

      Can someone explain to me why saying things like "we love muhammad more than our lives" isn't a form of idolatry? They revere Muhammad like he is a god.

      [–]Roznak 215ポイント216ポイント  (61子コメント)

      That is interesting, since the purpose of not drawing a cartoon of Mohamed is that he was afraid that they would revere him as a god.

      [–]wellmaybe_ 151ポイント152ポイント  (14子コメント)

      You can't use logic on religion.

      [–]downvotethechristian 19ポイント20ポイント  (31子コメント)

      I don't think it's true that Muslims don't want you drawing Muhammad simply because it may lead to idolatry; I think it's moreso that they simply don't want you making fun of him. But you're right; they revere him in such a way that teenage girls revere american idols on american idol.

      [–]Nefandi 90ポイント91ポイント  (10子コメント)

      they revere him in such a way that teenage girls revere american idols on american idol.

      It's well beyond that level.

      [–][deleted] 56ポイント57ポイント  (8子コメント)

      Yeah, when was the last time a teenaged girl beheaded someone or burned them alive for insulting her favorite singer?

      [–]tophusurvivor 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The sick part of me wants to see a link.

      [–]finest_jellybean 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

      Not exactly singers, but didn't two girls kill a third because of their fascination with Slenderman?

      [–]Kidkrid 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Teenage girls are fucking psychotic.

      [–]Nozphexezora 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Agreed.

      I should know. I was one! Wait. No I wasn't.

      [–]leaptheman 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Teenagers are psychotic.

      Fixed that for you. Let's not think for a second that teenage boys aren't capable of equally fucked up shit.

      [–]MyPacman 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I have seen one girl tear another girls hair out by the roots, does that count?

      [–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Don't ask me any question.

      [–]HJonGoldrake 14ポイント15ポイント  (5子コメント)

      I don't think it's true that Muslims don't want you drawing Muhammad simply because it may lead to idolatry

      AFAIK, historically the prescription against the drawing of religious figures (iconoclasty) was born precisely out of a fear of idolatry, and by contrast with Christian practice where saints and religious icons were venerated almost as much as God.

      [–]kingvitaman 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image

      10 Commandments. Represent

      [–]MarinTaranu 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      My wife calls them The 10 Commandoes. She is Filipina.

      [–]blueskyange 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

      only in roman and orthodox Catholic’s tradition.. still is a no go in protestant churches

      [–]HJonGoldrake 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Yeah but back in the formative centuries of Islam there were no Protestants

      [–]Apep86 5ポイント6ポイント  (7子コメント)

      Most Sunni Muslims believe that visual depictions of all the prophets of Islam should be prohibited[16] and are particularly averse to visual representations of Muhammad.[17] The key concern is that the use of images can encourage idolatry.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depictions_of_Muhammad

      [–]FOTBWN 20ポイント21ポイント  (5子コメント)

      Its interesting that drawings of Muhammad will get reactions but depictions of God garner little to nothing.

      Logically one would come to the conclusion that whilst they may not want to admit it, muslims are actually putting Muhammad above god by their reverence of him.

      [–]creampie_my_pooper 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

      This has nothing to do with people having hurt feelings over cartoons and more to do with further insulating Islam from criticism.

      [–]Apep86 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Aniconism in Islam is a proscription in Islamagainst the creation of images of sentient living beings. The most absolute proscription is of images of God in Islam, followed bydepictions of Muhammad, and then Islamic prophets and the relatives of Muhammad, but the depiction of all humans and animals is discouraged in the hadith and by the long tradition of Islamic authorities, especiallySunni ones.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aniconism_in_Islam

      [–][deleted] 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

      but the depiction of all humans and animals is discouraged in the hadith and by the long tradition of Islamic authorities

      Then why aren't they protesting Disney? An anthropomorphic mouse must certainly piss them off.

      [–]Apep86 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      My guess is because those are just "discouraged" whereas depictions of Mohammed and God are "prohibited."

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          [–]TinyZoro 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          No but that's why it is haram.

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              [–]wordyf 46ポイント47ポイント  (30子コメント)

              This is a religion. Do not look for any logic. Do not look for balanced thinking. People believe which means they do not need to understand or make educated decisions.

              [–]comptrol 9ポイント10ポイント  (8子コメント)

              That's really the case in islam. Mohammed is of no difference to jesus christ in practice, he is god-like. His birthday and deathday are celebrated/mourned. Some cleriks claim that mohammad is equal to allah himself. There is even a hadeeth stating that all universe is created for mohammad himself : https://www.google.com.tr/search?q=universe+is+created+for+muhammad&safe=off&client=safari&hl=en&biw=768&bih=927&source=lnms&sa=X&ei=aRjYVJuNIpHkapSagZAC&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAA

              [–]iluvucorgi 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

              In Islamic thought Jesus and Mohammed are very alike, seeing as they are both viewed as mortal men and prophets. The celebration of Mohammed's birthday is a relatively new and limited phenomena, which tends to be rejected by many. I don't know who celebrates either death day, Christians tend to celebrate the resurrection.

              The hadith you link to is decribed as weak in the top google results.

              [–]CrackaBox 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

              he is god-like

              The religion that says "no god but god"?

              [–]son_of_dawn 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

              It's also a religion that says "no compulsion in religion" while half of Sunni scholars believe in killing anyone who isn't Muslim, Christian or Jewish, and where the majority believe in killing apostates and those who insult their religion.

              [–]toodrunktofuck 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

              A "perfect man" is pretty, pretty close: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Insān_al-Kāmil

              [–]DreadedClaymore 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

              The Hadiths are all over the place. People have made up so many that you can get a Hadith that says anything you want.

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                [–]TheLightningbolt 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Of course it's idolatry, but good luck trying to reason with religious fundamentalists. They'll have none of it.

                [–]testiclesofscrotum 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                The whole visit to mecca thing is idolatry too

                [–]kolal2 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                The thing is, in Islam life is a very frivolous, meaningless 'high school' of your eternal existence. You have to work hard on the crazy, arbitrary rules so you can 'graduate' and go to paradise to have massive drunken orgies, or you'll 'flunk out' and go to hell.

                Now, that makes it very stressful for people obviously, so the accepted shortcuts to 'graduation' are very appealing - like dying as Mujahideen, or killing someone who insulted islam.

                There is a reason the Motto of Hamas, very popular in Palestine, is "We yearn for death as the Jew cherishes life!"

                [–]lekne 1ポイント2ポイント  (9子コメント)

                Actually it is called Shirk ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirk_(Islam) ) in Islam. According to Quran, it is the only sin Allah will never forgive.

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                  [–]wazzzzah 103ポイント104ポイント  (14子コメント)

                  In the name of free speech: Here was the defiantly published January 14 issue of Charlie Hebdo, in case you missed it. It's very funny even if you don't speak French. Enjoy it and share it as you please :) http://imgur.com/a/NKNuV

                  [–]giantjesus 13ポイント14ポイント  (4子コメント)

                  It's very funny even if you don't speak French.

                  I speak a tiny bit of French, but I find it hard to understand any of it. How is a non-French speaker supposed to get the humour?

                  Care to elaborate what exactly you find easily graspable for an English speaker?

                  [–]wordyf 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Much of it is cultural but is funny once you get the references.

                  One cartoon shows a rabbi, a priest and an imam over the globe. The Catholic says: You keep the West sector, and you keep the East sector. From Cabu. This one is a bit old.

                  Another one has a curvaceous woman's back with a "1905 Law" and "No God, No Master" tattooed on her upper left butt cheek. This one dates from 2005, the 100-years of the separation of church and state in France. This is a "kiss my ass" to religion. From Wolinski who died on January 7th, and drew a lot of women. When you see his wife, you will understand.

                  https://www.google.com/search?q=epouse+de+wolinski&client=safari&rls=en&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=eATYVJmOHYyUNs6jg2g&ved=0CB8QsAQ&biw=1287&bih=685

                  She is 72 years old, for fuck's sake. Lucky guy.

                  One has a terrorist sitting in jail. The question is "How is that Terrorist Cell?" the guy replies "9 square meters".

                  Another one lists the "+ / -" of the january 11th massive demonstration.

                  The first one shows people saying "all together" in the + column. The second shows people singing the Marseillaise. Charlie didn't like expressed patriotism.

                  Second one shows a French personality who brought pot to the survivors. The minus column shows that they also had to shake the hand of the prime minister.

                  Third shows everyone sending love to the survivors, then in the minus column, looks like someone has a PTSD-related ED.

                  Fourth shows Madonna throwing her panties in the + column (recurring joke since she threw her panties to a president in the 90s). The one in the Minus column shows Angela Merkel saying "I am not wearing any panties".

                  Fifth shows that people will smoke freely at Liberation (who now hosts Charlie), the minus column shows the ghost of Charb who forbids his journalists to smoke.

                  Sixth: the Prez gives money, everyone gives money. But the journalists are dead.

                  Stouf-le-skin is a cartoon depicting a stupid nationalist and racist skinhead. He explains that he is a neonazi retard who loves Marine le Pen, drawn by Luz who survived the attack. He loves Maurice-et-Patapon, drawn by Charb, a pun on Maurice Papon, a former collaborator from nazi occupation who ended up a big political figure under De Gaulle and a symbol of the French nazi past. He says these 2 dogs always show their assholes to him, which means Charlie drew people, but also assholes.

                  Anyway, feel free to ask about others. I can transcribe a few when I have the time.

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                    [–]aikah 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    first page :

                    top-left drawing : "sister emmanuel"(a nun):

                    memoirs of sister emmanuel, "here I was masturbating, In heaven I'll suck dicks"

                    "yalta at the vatican" :

                    the pope says :" I will keep the west" and tell the imam , "You'll keep the east"

                    I can go on if people want it, or maybe there is a translation already available somewhere.

                    [–]tjbabes 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    From what I read in there looks like they made fun of nuns and pope too and lot of others, I dont know why muslims are so butthurt about it.

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                      [–]Xnz 205ポイント206ポイント  (36子コメント)

                      They don't protest against the massacres commited in the name of their prophet didn't even give a shit about that pilot burned alive some days ago but they are still mad because of a fucking cartoon? Alright.

                      [–]Nefandi 48ポイント49ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      Well, your priorities have to be in order. These people know what's important.

                      [–]PM_ME_YUR_SMILE 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      They are probably the kind of people to join ISIS

                      [–]Nozphexezora 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Certainly not the kind to attend an art class.

                      [–]HJonGoldrake 9ポイント10ポイント  (20子コメント)

                      edit: uh, wtf, apparently I had both misread and given them too much credit. Collecting signatures against Charlie Hebdo, mh? classy move assholes

                      [–]ArnoldLeese 45ポイント46ポイント  (19子コメント)

                      They collected 106k signatures against Charlie Hebdo, not against the attackers.

                      From the petition:

                      I denounce the actions of all those people who are connected with the production of the cartoons of the Holy Prophet Muhammad peace be upon Him and believe that these actions are an affront to the norms of civilised society

                      [–]2_Blue_Shoes 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      See, here's the problem... it makes perfect sense to be offended if someone says something offensive about your religion. It makes perfect sense to protest and demonstrate about this matter as well.

                      With that said, that the petition rather pointedly leaves out any condemnation of the killers... I think that's a bit ominous. I'd like to talk to some of the protesters and hear their comments about the attackers. On second thoughts, I wouldn't, as the whole experience would likely make me angry and depressed.

                      [–]mrupvot3s 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Deport everyone on that list.

                      [–]NInexsc 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      What is the point of the petition and taking it to the Prime Minister?

                      I understand their annoyed at Charlie Hebdo, but what's David Cameron going to do? I feel it would have almost made more sense taking it to the French Embassy.

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                        [–]badcatdog 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        You mean they are enjoying freedom of speech, to complain about freedom of speech?

                        [–]naetdt 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        There's been plenty of responses from Islamic communities around the world denouncing the activities of ISIS.

                        [–]_Kaiser 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        Muslims had protested against violence in the Middle East.

                        [–]InternetOfficer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        More weird to see Gandhi quotes in there about da prophet. A dude that was so pacifist he refused to fight the British even when the colonizers used violence https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6G6CZT7h4k

                        [–]Beingabumner 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Actions speak louder than words.

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                          [–]neotropic9 82ポイント83ポイント  (6子コメント)

                          These are undemocratic cretins, hypocritically sheltering themselves with democratic freedoms and benefiting from living in a democratic society. I wish they would leave. There are plenty of countries in the world that are ruled by Islamic law, and where criticism of Muhammad is illegal. They could live there.

                          [–]eva_las_vegas 47ポイント48ポイント  (4子コメント)

                          This is why their position is so fucking ridiculous. They live in a democracy and use those freedoms to try and deny others their own freedom.

                          [–]DocQuanta 21ポイント22ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          They are like the KKK or Neo-Nazis. They have no problem with they themselves having the freedom of expression, it is just others having the same right that they object to.

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                            [–]imaburden 25ポイント26ポイント  (2子コメント)

                            They are exercising their right to free speech, while demanding that free speech be limited. If free speech were limited then the minority population would be the first to lose their rights. March, speak, and realize that your beliefs can't be forced on others.

                            [–]_Kaiser 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Just because they exercise free speech, does not mean their demands need to be met. Only heard.

                            [–]PCredditcensorship 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            I think legislation affects pretty much all people equally - unless you are rich or powerful, then you get a pass. Just look at the US post 9/11. Laws - such as 'The Patriot Act' - were created 'to protect people from terrorists', yet the most affected by these laws were American citizens.

                            [–]giantjesus 58ポイント59ポイント  (11子コメント)

                            A boy aged no more than ten was among those carrying placards saying "Insult My Mum And I Will Punch You" – quoting Pope Francis in the wake of the Paris attacks.

                            Finally something the religions can agree upon. Violence as a means to seek revenge for hurt feelings.

                            [–]HashtagRebbit 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

                            i think we should have "insult the pope's mum day"

                            [–]Nozphexezora 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Or better yet, just give him and xbox and show him how to play Call of Duty online.

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                              [–]TripleEEE1682 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

                              I bet the Pope groans each time that phrase is thrown back in his face. I understood what he meant, but...

                              [–]sillymanilly 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                              There is nothing stopping him from clarifying it. After seeing how these fundies are using what he said (especially out of context)to justify future violence failing to do so now would be a sin.

                              [–][deleted] 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Frank is a two-faced asshole just like every other pope. I don't know why liberals love him. Because he's going to write some shitty blog post about the environment and talks about welfare? Fuuuuu...

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                                [–]MrRtd 24ポイント25ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                They can protest all they want, but their blasphemy rules don't apply to anyone but themselves.

                                [–]backtowriting 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                No, they unfortunately apply to all of us under threat of violence.

                                [–]wordyf 20ポイント21ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                This protest is a call for more violence, and an affirmation that the british politicians are the biggest pussies of Europe when it comes to letting religious crazies take over their streets.

                                The horrible events in Rotherham happened under their watch. In the name of social appeasement they have let the monsters rape 100s of kids.

                                How many more proofs before politicians will address the problems and be really color-blind? Hate is hate. Rape is rape. Danger is danger. Address it or become irrelevant.

                                [–]Roznak 88ポイント89ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                Muslims are funny people.

                                • You can't draw a cartoon of Mohammed, but no one ever knows how Mohammed looks like.
                                • You can't draw a cartoon of Mohammed, but you can write his name. Which is basically also a drawing.
                                • A lot of Muslims even call themselves Mohammed and have selfies of Mohammed.
                                • Mohammed didn't want to have a drawing of himself scared that they would worship him instead of God, but the protesters clearly demonstrates that they are worshiping the prophet! The very thing Mohammed said don't do that!
                                • Mohammed didn't want to have a drawing of himself scared that they would worship him instead of God. What is the point in being offended that Atheists and Christians draw Mohamed pictures? There is no risk that they will worship him.
                                • Being offended by a cartoon, is worse than ISIS offending the name of their god by having satanic rituals like burning Muslims because there is no protest against that.

                                [–]BarrelAgedSpartan 43ポイント44ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                if your shitty religion cannot handle cartoon drawings, maybe your shitty religion is the problem

                                [–]PCredditcensorship 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                And many of them would feel completely justified wishing you bodily harm for saying something like that.

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                                  [–]savemejebus0 133ポイント134ポイント  (61子コメント)

                                  Now let us take a poll of the "moderate Muslims" in the crowd and see who thinks death is the appropriate penalty for apostasy and blasphemy. Sure they wont DO it, but they condone it. Great example of how religion can make good people form bad opinions.

                                  [–]bobbity_bob_bob 20ポイント21ポイント  (40子コメント)

                                  I'm a pretty anti-religious dude, but I was raised Muslim and know lots of Muslims and I can tell you that majority of moderate Muslims especially in the West do not give a shit. Conservative Muslims may support that idea but I'm pretty sure you can go to Buttfuck, Alabama or Texas and ask the same kind of questions about gays and black people and you'll probably get similar results.

                                  And yeah you can pull out those polls but it's almost easy to get polls to prove what you want. Also it's daily mail so I'd take it with a grain of salt, we know they like to exaggerate.

                                  [–]wordyf 51ポイント52ポイント  (19子コメント)

                                  False equivalence. Nobody, absolutely no-bo-dy in Buttfuck, Alabama is throwing gays out of building windows.

                                  [–]caeroe 28ポイント29ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                  I'm from Buttfuck Alabama, and I resent that comment.

                                  [–]HJonGoldrake 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  Man the shit you guys must hear about your town must be insane. What's it really like?

                                  [–]MarinTaranu 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Are you giving or receiving?

                                  [–]asksstupidquesti0ns 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                  Is this really a place or am I missing some kind of a joke/reference?

                                  [–]Aletihc 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  I heard of moderate Alabamians. Nice to meet you.

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                                    [–]Nefandi 72ポイント73ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                    No need to guess:

                                    http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/

                                    Here are your moderate Muslims.

                                    Yea, when a Muslim family grows up surrounded by secular society on all sides, they might not support apostasy punishments and blasphemy laws. But Muslims left to their own devices in their own element often do support such policies.

                                    Alabama or Texas and ask the same kind of questions about gays and black people and you'll probably get similar results.

                                    So anyone who opposes this should also oppose Islam or they'd be a hypocrite. Over in the USA we have a lot of liberal hypocrites who have no problem opposing Christian dogmatism while shying away from opposing Islamic one.

                                    [–]machinedog 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    I have no problem opposing both while still seeing either of those groups as real people who shouldn't be discriminated against.

                                    I.e. they came for the muslims, and I was silent...

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                                          [–]Nefandi 22ポイント23ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                          This is better than shooting the cartoonists. I still strongly disagree with these protesters.

                                          Also, did anyone notice a photo with a kid holding a Pope's quote? This kind of protest sentiment is what the Pope is helping to support with his flippant remarks.

                                          [–]RabidRaccoon 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Also, did anyone notice a photo with a kid holding a Pope's quote? This kind of protest sentiment is what the Pope is helping to support with his flippant remarks.

                                          Oddly enough Charlie Hebdo made that exact point with their Yalta au Vatican cartoon

                                          http://imgur.com/a/NKNuV

                                          [–]nickryane 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          They think that English people might respond better to a quote from the Pope. In their head they can't understand that most people in this country are atheists and don't actually give a shit about Islam or Christianity and certainly no the fucking Pope of child-raping Catholicism.

                                          English people are really fed up of this shit, there is going to be a huge huge backlash against Muslims very soon unless all EU governments get together and kick out all the extremists.

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                                            [–]peopleareawful 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Dear protesting Muslims: Fuck off, you ignorant shitheads.

                                            [–]RabidRaccoon 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                            Notice how they make a point of disrespecting memorials to British war heroes whilst protesting against cartoonists who they claim disrespecting Muhammad. And who were murdered.

                                            [–]Bluesbreaker 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            but what really kills me is this. you watch a movie like the longest day. you talk to the folks in germany or france or the UK that suffered and died and sacrificed and went without for years to defend, survive and then rebuild their blown to shit lives.

                                            then you see that they try to open their doors to these cats and they come in there and eat their bread, take their money, fuck up their countries, attack them b/c they're offended and these fucking continentals start apologizing. well, I guess the entire national socialist party was just a bit misguided too, werent they.

                                            8 years in prison would have sorted that out, I guess. and an apology.

                                            [–]Freeiheit 32ポイント33ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                            Terrorist sympathizer are every bit as bad as terrorists themselves. Until they learn how to behave in civilized society, they have no business in it.

                                            [–]PCredditcensorship 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            I just find it particularly stupid that they are protesting the values of their host countries, while trying to enforce the ideology of the backwards-ass countries they and their relatives came here while fleeing from. Charlie Hebdo doesn't even need to satirize these people... They satirize themselves.

                                            [–][deleted] 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            This shit is still going on?

                                            Look: you don't like the way we do things here in the West, get the fuck out and go shit your pants in your 7th century sandbox. Go martyr yourselves for Allah by putting a holy pistol in your ass. We're not going to change our ways and 86 our freedoms because it makes your imaginary friend have the sads.

                                            I don't care if they protest. They can bitch and moan all they want. If they start getting violent (which, being Muslims, we all know they will), round them all up and put them on a one-way flight to some random-ass dune in the desert. Shit's getting old already.

                                            [–]Charles__Martel 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Fuck Mohammed. If that offends you then grow thicker skin.

                                            [–][deleted] 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                            Muhammad really has become somewhat of a God or idol to Muslims, ironically

                                            [–]CherryBlaster 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            They have put him above God which is troubling given what they do in his name.

                                            [–]AndromedasPizzaMan 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            I am getting a bit sick of this now. We have bigger issues in the world than "I got upset becuase you drew a cartoon of someone who I cannot even prove is real anyway." Grow up

                                            [–]Bonaparta 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Let them chant and cry. Who gives a shit about their feelings

                                            [–]drinkingchartreuse 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Ooh, wuz your feewings hurt because they made fun of your superstition? TFB

                                            [–]vancooldude 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                            Yet I'm willing to bet a large percentage of that crowd would have no problem calling for Jews to be sent to the gas chambers....

                                            [–]nickryane 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                            That's the thing, generally people who believe in banning Mohammed cartoons also believe that the Jews are responsible for everything and that gay people should be stoned to death.

                                            These people are fucking psychopaths, they need to be kicked out.

                                            [–]Bluesbreaker 11ポイント12ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                            how come they're not protesting the atrocities that ISIS and its crew are protesting.

                                            see, the way I see it, the moslems come across the street to shit on your lawn. then when you kick their ass for it, they call a jihad on you because somehow, that was their rightful thing to do.

                                            get over it. or alternatively, accept it for what it is. you're not above reproach, condemnation or insult. you eat the bread of the kuffar yet want him dead, but that's ok b/c this is your own personal jihad.

                                            you're all fucked in the head.

                                            [–]nighttrain123 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                            Two thoughts:

                                            Why are these muslims wanting to impose Islamic law/rules on the cartoonists?

                                            Why are they protesting some cartoons when ISIS are doing awful stuff in the name of Islam?

                                            [–]doktormabuse 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Because beheading as punishment, taking sex slaves from the conquered, etc. are not actually prohibited in Islam, whereas depicting Muhammad is...

                                            [–]Tykjen 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Oh the fucking irony and hipocrisy overload.

                                            [–]Dcajunpimp 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            How ironic.

                                            [–]NorwegianBlackMetal 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            I draw pictures of Muhammad all the time. He looks identical to Osama Bin Laden with a back drop full of nukes. He wears a dynamite covered vest plate thing as well. Protest that.

                                            [–]Shuko 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Everyone has a limit. For some people, that limit might be cartoons trivializing rape or sexual harassment. For these people, it's cartoons of their religious icon. Everyone has a right to be offended by something. The thing is, however, that even if you have a right to be offended, you have no right to take away someone else's right to expression, just to keep offense away. This is how free-thinking societies work, after all.

                                            [–]goldenrod 7ポイント8ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                            Hey Muslims, it's a democracy. Get used to it or leave.

                                            [–]HashtagRebbit 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            The protest was soon met with a larger group of Muslims counter protesting the right for free nations to criticize religion"

                                            oh wait, that didnt happen.

                                            [–]syedsameer 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Looking at those pictures it seems very evident now that the UK has a serious immigration problem.

                                            For a moment I thought I was looking at a picture of Karachi or something.

                                            What pisses me off is the fact that these ignorant shit heads get to live in such first world countries where as educated, skilled and far more open minded Asians like me are stuck here because of visa issues.

                                            How in the blue hell these guys are able to get visas to live there is beyond me.

                                            [–]PaulOfPauland 24ポイント25ポイント  (27子コメント)

                                            I see no wrong with this protest, I may not agree with it, but it's the right way.

                                            [–]funelevator 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            I disagree with these protests (in concept, not in their right to do it), I believe people have the right to be offended, but not the right to not be offended.

                                            However, people are seeming to pretend that the UK and France have true free-speech, and are glorious, when neither country actually does. They have free-speech, with limits. America has true free speech, even here in Canada we don't have true free speech (there is such thing as inciting racial hatred...etc).

                                            [–]Thisbymaster 16ポイント17ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                            Let them protest, that is their right. Just don't change anything because of it.

                                            [–]MAD_JIHAD 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                            I wonder if people were to protest against islam in islamic state countries how well that would go.

                                            [–]wazzzzah 9ポイント10ポイント  (19子コメント)

                                            The right way to do what, exactly? Silence free speech?

                                            [–]Roznak 65ポイント66ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                            The right to protest. And the Muslims also have the right to draw cartoons of Dawkins and the flying spaghetti monster to upset the atheists.

                                            [–]bobbity_bob_bob 33ポイント34ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                            Agreed if we want to support the right to make Prophet Mohammad Cartoons we should also support butt-hurt Muslims wanting to peacefully protest against it.

                                            [–]Roznak 25ポイント26ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                            The right to peaceful protest against it, but not the right to shut down people's drawing of cartoons even Mohammeds.

                                            [–][deleted] 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                            Thing is, that won't upset us, because we don't actually take the FSM seriously, and we don't worship Dawkins as a prophet.

                                            They can protest all they want. The minute they start getting violent, or the West starts kowtowing to their religious bullshit, that's the time to get angry and shut them down.

                                            I don't know why they just don't pack up and leave already.

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                                              [–]PaulOfPauland 16ポイント17ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                              Freedom of speech is for everyone

                                              [–]wazzzzah 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                              Do you think those protestors agree with that? And with this? http://imgur.com/a/NKNuV

                                              [–]Crizack 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                              I don't think British society agrees with free speech in general given they put people in jail for benign tweets.

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                                                [–]HJonGoldrake 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                True.

                                                And at the same time we need to take things a little bit less at face value. The spokesguy interviewed at this protest (I don't know if the daily fail has him, the telegraph did and I'm not opening a DM link) said "Extremists, be they murderers or cartoonists, all cause disunity in society". Which is quite openly drawing a parallel between murderers and fucking cartoonists. I don't think this is a case of genuinely supporting free speech more than it is a case of realizing that they can't be full-out asking for those cartoons to be stopped, but they'd really like to.

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                                                  [–]farticustheelder 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                  A peaceful protest. See, we can learn to live together.

                                                  [–]DougFirTree 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Send them all back to the sand box

                                                  [–]mitchellele 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  "A petition signed by 100,000 British Muslims was handed to No 10" and promptly put in the bin

                                                  [–]ZumdahlD 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  They should be told to leave....

                                                  [–]jdblaich 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Where are those thousands protesting the terrorists in the middle east? This really seems to be a shitty move by them. If they can't defend freedom and tolerance then I personally don't find any credence in anything that they are protesting. A few cartoons vs. the lives of the innocents? I can't see these protesters having a leg to stand on.

                                                  [–]digitalpizza 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Bit late guys

                                                  [–]PunxGamer 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  For fucks sake.

                                                  [–]Carlzorx 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  The laws that exist allow people to protest and also allow free speech. I think the appropriate response to this is 'k' and just continue on with our day. Also keep in mind that the stupidest minority of any group of people are generally the loudest, so take this with a grain of salt.

                                                  [–]Gnurx 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  They are aware that Charlie Hebdo is published in France, are they?

                                                  [–][deleted] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  When in Rome, live as the Romans do; when elsewhere, live as they live elsewhere. The Quote is just as relevant today, but not so much applied unfortunately.

                                                  [–]Andy1_1 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Good, now british intelligence can keep better track of these fools.

                                                  [–]DeadPresidence 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Fuck em

                                                  [–]NyupDeddyXMTN 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Them pissy Muslims can take a look at the mistle-tow hanging from the front of my pants

                                                  [–]Wormhole-Eyes 4ポイント5ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                  If you don't like what you see, turn away.

                                                  [–][deleted] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  well if you don't like it folks move back to a society that protects you from this.

                                                  [–]Mensabender 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                  Remember everyone, Dail Mail is a crappy news source, right?

                                                  [–]snackbarclosed 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  The difference between insulting someone's mother and insulting a 'prophet' is that there is scientific proof that the mother is real.

                                                  [–]javi404 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Why don't they go back to ISIS instead of protesting?

                                                  [–]belladoyle 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                  what i find interesting is they take to the streets in thousands to protest charlie but do not do the same to show their opposition to Isis.

                                                  [–]niftykettles 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  I want them all out

                                                  [–]HashtagRebbit 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  The article describes them as "hardline Muslims". So this is that tiny minority again whom most muslims actually hate?

                                                  [–]TheAngryBeezy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  As a muslim I really hate when these muslims get angry over small shit like this.

                                                  [–]EasternEuropeSlave 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Freedom of speech = Hatred to muslims

                                                  Can't argue with that logic.

                                                  [–]MrShitsyWitsy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Those cunts will all be on the watch list now, if they weren't already.

                                                  [–]GekkeVos -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                  Moderate muslims find the courage to protest about a cartoon. Cant muster a response to the executions and turture by ISIS/ISIL. Moh the hoe can suck a fat one.

                                                  [–]DubaiCM 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Cant muster a response to the executions and turture by ISIS/ISIL.

                                                  They did actually: http://www.demotix.com/news/5132431/no2-isis-protest-held-outside-saudi-embassy-london#media-5132391

                                                  [–]diglaw 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                  The response to this should not be a restriction on the freedom of speech or assembly. The response by the public should be condemnation for the kind of hypocrisy and religious chauvinism on display here: they claim that we cannot draw pictures of Mohammed, but they hold our values in contempt and teach their children allegiance to a religion rather than to the UK or our values.

                                                  The response by the government should be more subtle: only reformed versions of Islam should be provided with government support. Only liberal Muslims who teach that it is OK to marry Brits, that teach love and acceptance should be given permits for schools, mosques or advocacy groups. The rest should be quietly de-permitted and closed. The only way to deal with rampant Muslim Chauvinism is from a network analysis perspective: the nodes of transmission of the most pernicious, self-ghettoizing beliefs should be closed.

                                                  [–]Milagro_chef 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                  Kind of simple. Mohammed is a prophet... G_d is G_d. No human is G_d. To elevate Mohammed is to perform idolatry. Therefore, Islam worship idolatry. To celebrate death over life is a death-cult. Therefore Islam is an idolatrous death - cult and not a religion.

                                                  Pretty easy when you take a Islam at its own words.

                                                  Idolatrous, death - cult. Deal with it honestly.

                                                  [–]quantum4ce 1ポイント2ポイント  (19子コメント)

                                                  Maybe I missed it, but I don't recall hearing that thousands of Muslims protested again Daesh burning 16 Muslims to death.

                                                  But a cartoon? Oh that's serious business.

                                                  [–]miraoister 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Nice if these people used their time protesting about real problems like austerity or the HSBC scandal.

                                                  but no, they waste their time on their imaginary cosmic delusion.

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