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[–]43-8and55-10/sp/artan [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

tfw when you land on the moon but are still getting BTFO by gooks in the armpit of Asia

[–]The_Wise_King [スコア非表示]  (164子コメント)

richest most advanced country in the world

can't provide basic free healthcare

[–]Rowdy_Batchelor/v/irgin [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

funded by taxes

free

[–]jaypenn3 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

believing healthcare is funded by fairy dust and children's dreams

[–]absurdperson [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Free at the point of treatment. You don't really notice the whatever% of your wages that keeps the whole thing running and free at the point of treatment. But I don't have to pull out a credit card if I break my leg. No one is going to sign my whole family into life-crippling debt if I come down with a spot of the old Cancer. That's what matters. That's real freedom.

[–]lessthanadam [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

mfw American pharmaceutical industry subsidizes the entire global medicine demand

[–]Tim_Teboner [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

can afford to provide free national healthcare

can't accomplish in 2015 what America did in 1969

[–]silentao [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Did landing on the moon changed something? Don't you think that it would be better if all that money went to...health? or education?

Yeah the moon landing is cool, but honestly it's not that important.

[–]MerryMacattackwee/a/boo [スコア非表示]  (49子コメント)

Just cause your government has a lot of money doesn't mean you should get free shit.

[–]silentao [スコア非表示]  (33子コメント)

Yeah, this money should go to sponsoring proxy wars.

[–]iplaydoctor [スコア非表示]  (29子コメント)

Actually, most of it goes to taking care of old people, and a big fat chunk to, you guessed it, basic free healthcare.

[–]GoodGoyimGreg [スコア非表示]  (21子コメント)

Except the system is so horribly inefficient that it costs more than most countries with universal healthcare provide!

[–]1337Gandalf [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

Most countries don't have 75 million senior citizens to take care of.

[–]GoodGoyimGreg [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Shouldn't have bought so many.

Japan knows that feel. But look how great they're doing...

[–]youngnacho [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Probably doing so great because the US took on Japans debt after world war 2 and is responsible for a lot of Japans defense since they're not allowed to have a large military.

[–]GoodGoyimGreg [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Doing so great

It sucks so bad there people don't even want to have kids.

[–]Lonelan/toy/ [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

If only the women did a 3-minute super hero gearing up sequence into a revealing outfit each time they had sex, or the men had a giant tentacle instead of a penis.

Then they'd knock boots.

[–]Standswithpegs [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Or that other thing we have a hundred million of.

[–]iplaydoctor [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

It's not horribly inefficient, it's that we keep our gomers alive much longer than most other countries. The whole "clinging to life" thing is a huge issue, and in many countries the value placed on life and quality of life is much more realistic. Shadow a physician sometime if you get the opportunity. So many people complain about inefficiency when they have absolutely no knowledge or experience in how healthcare runs. For your average middle-aged, somewhat unhealthy patient, the care they receive is appropriate, timely, and cost-effective if they have insurance, as any responsible individual should. The end-of-life care is the single biggest problem in healthcare, millions of dollars and massive amounts of resources are spent making patients miserable just to keep them alive a couple months longer. It's a conversation Americans need to have with their physicians and lawyers about proxies, living wills, and goals of care, and at a younger age than deathbed 90.

[–]slick3333/v/irgin [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

have insurance, as any responsible individual should

I thought the main problem was people had trouble paying for insurance and even when they had it they could be denied coverage

[–]Lonelan/toy/ [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Yes, the basic insurance people bought was for a limited scope of things. Most companies provided some more encompassing plans, but they were much more expensive.

[–]iplaydoctor [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

basic insurance will cover most any hospitalization and care needed, it may not be the most comfortable or single best method, but will be on par with standard of care.

[–]iplaydoctor [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

responsible individuals take life seriously, get a decent education or training, and make themselves a competitive and valuable addition to society, thereby ensuring a career with either insurance benefits or disposable income which can easily afford insurance so long as said individual is fiscally responsible. The problem is most people blow off their younger years for video games in lieu of a hobby which develops a skill set, and later buy boats and flatscreens before insurance.

As for coverage denial, that only occurs if someone wants something greater than standard of care. Basic insurance will cover just about any known issue, you just may not get the top-notch care, and elective procedures will not be covered.

I like to compare healthcare to cars. If people were fiscally responsible with a work ethic (AKA Northern Europeans), they would mostly all get the Volvo of cars-not glamorous or especially expedient, but overall safe and very effective. A few people get McLarens, and a few have to walk. The problem is that not everyone is a good addition to society, so the US has now decided that everybody gets the Ford Pinto so no one has to walk. It sometimes takes a very long time, or even breaks down and you have to get a rental which is costly. This is sort of ok, except that everyone expects and demands the McLaren of care. So we sort of give it, and now our country is peering and falling into a big fucking hole.

[–]GoodGoyimGreg [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

2m for a hip replacement, then the guy croakes the next month.

[–]iplaydoctor [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

The "2 million" is A) vastly overstated except for outrageous circumstances which likely included a hospital stay involving far more than just the hip replacement, B) in actuality had payments of only a tiny fraction of that bill (bills are intentionally overstated bc medicare decided to only pay fractions and insurance companies then followed suit, so bills became larger to compensate- no one expects to get that amount. Everyone knows this already except for you apparently), and C) if you had even read my response you would realize that was my main point- don't replace the fucking hip! I can guarantee that the family and patient insisted on the surgery, and when that happens, even a reluctant orthopedist will say "fine if you insist, you assume the risk, I get paid, so I'll do my best".

[–]GoodGoyimGreg [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Hmmm. Didn't know B was the case, but that makes sense.

All I know is the US wasted so much in the past of healthcare relative to other countries that didn't have a private system.

[–]iplaydoctor [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

For example, I once had to get ~15 sutures for a facial laceration after slipping on a metal ladder in the rain late at night. My bill was $37,500 from the plastic surgeon alone. I sent him a check for $600, as that would have been what insurance paid were he not out-of-network for the hospital. Never heard back again.

So whenever you see these outrageous bills, they are BS, intentionally marked up and only expecting(and receiving) 5-10% payments. The insurance companies have large-scale bargaining power and are able to get away with this. The problem occurs when you don't have insurance and thereby no bargaining power to pay low. These patients are called "self-pay" in the medical field, AKA, the hospital eats the cost and forgets about it as cost of business and forced pro bono. All of these people complaining about their bills really never had to pay a thing. And those who bankrupted themselves did it because they electively chose something beyond expected standard of care or wished to proceed with futile care.

[–]randyrectem/int/olerant [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

most of it

are you retarded m8

[–]iplaydoctor [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Social security and medicare easily surpass the US defense budget, and absolutely dwarf foreign aid. So no, I'm not retarded, although you might be of a similar intelligence quotient, using words like "mate", (a term for an animals sexual partner) out of context. Fuckin britbongs, man... go brush your teeth or something.

[–]randyrectem/int/olerant [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

you speak of healthcare but you tell me to brush my teeth?!

toothpaste is fluoridated, i will not willingly compromise the purity and essence of my natural fluids

[–]iplaydoctor [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Fuckin autists

[–]I_am_a_assholed/ic/k [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Britfags are just jealous because their little island is completly irrelevant in contemporary culture/ politics/ military and scientific realms.

[–]guyontheend [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well we didn't get rich and advanced by not sponsoring proxy wars

[–]uptotwentycharacters/lgbt/ [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

i think moderate welfare programs can actually benefit the economy though, for example subsidizing education and letting poor people learn job skills so they don't end up robbing people. Same with healthcare - government subsidized preventive care is cheaper than government funded emergency room visits.

[–]rottenseed [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Dindus dondu because of welfare or healthcare.

[–]ForeverAclone95 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The government steals half of my money, can I at least get some healthcare in return? It's not the government's money, it's the citizens' money.

[–]CheezGrater [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

implying the US isn't trillions in debt

[–]aerokopf/k/ommando [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

implying debt detracts from wealth

[–]Duco232 [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

Right? Go fucking bankrupt because you needed surgery.

[–]MerryMacattackwee/a/boo [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Apparently I'm responsible because you were high off of your government provided "medicinal" marijuana and you started bouncing on your bed and cracked your head open. Fuck you, you can take a loan, you aren't getting my money.

[–]Zarmazarma [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I imagine that marijuana induced bed jumping is what causes 60% of US bankruptcies.

For the record, of that 60%, 3/4ths were insured.

But that's okay. You're either too lucky to end up like those sad sacks or protected from socialism by Jesus, so it's not something you have to worry about.

[–]Duco232 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

And what if something ever happens to you and you lose all your savings?

[–]I_GILDED_UNIDAN [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's his GOD-GIVEN RIGHT to be assfucked by the AMERICAN health system. What about that don't you damn Commies get?

[–]jaypenn3 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

You're a hateful, selfish, greedy, and frankly stupid fucker that can just go die. Because sure as hell no one will want to help you when you get into trouble.

[–]curtainthrower [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Our government has a lot of money? I have about 18 trillion dollars more than our government does.

[–]JohnCoffee23 [スコア非表示]  (32子コメント)

These days, providing free basic healthcare for hundreds of millions of people is way harder than landing on the moon.

[–]RightCross4 [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

It wouldn't be free, you'd just be making someone else pay for it. Also, it'd be shit, like Canada's is.

[–]Joldroyd [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Or fantastic like literally every other developed country

[–]TylerTJ930 [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

paying up to 50% of their income in taxes

fantastic

[–]Password_Is_Beer [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Paying <25% and having brilliant healthcare.

I can also go overseas and not have to pay taxes to my home country...

[–]krvv98 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Get a job and buy your own damn health care

[–]Chuck_Finnley [スコア非表示]  (21子コメント)

implying free health care works for countries of America's magnitude

[–]Joldroyd [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

Never understood this argument, why the fuck would 'Murica too big' have anything to do with implementing something like this? Honestly, if anything you would have more resources to accomplish this than any other country on earth.

[–]TylerTJ930 [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

We have a lot more old people than you who all cost buttloads. We have a lot of illegal immigrants who want free health care too. We have much lower taxes because we aren't socialist cucks. We have an economy that relies on minimal government interference.

Does that answer your question? We have five times as many people as you and we want to allocate our funds to less idiotic decisions

[–]I_ABUSED_YOUR_CHAIR [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

You also have a lot more taxpayers. It's not like all people you have more over Norway or The Netherlands are all old illegal immigrants. You have a lot more workers as well.

It's not like you're the only country with a lot of old people. It's an issue here as well.

[–]JohnCoffee23 [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Now multiply your issues x 1,000 and see how easy it is to implement a "free healthcare" system that isn't actually free because you're paying it through taxes, now you have to explain to the hundreds of thousands of insurance workers why they are out of a job because now the government is in charge of providing and distributing health care, then the economy collapses.

[–]I_ABUSED_YOUR_CHAIR [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

You know The Netherlands have health insurance required by law? And that it creates a lot of jobs? And that the government helps those who can't truly afford it? And that it always worked fine until the current government decided to spend more on foreign policies and less on healthcare, education and important things?

[–]JohnCoffee23 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

You know that we pay for health care through insurance companies that created jobs right? Where do you think all those jobs will go if you decide to pay our government to distribute health care instead?

[–]uptotwentycharacters/lgbt/ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

implying anything works for countries of America's magnitude

[–]Wobbly_/pol/ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

defending your countries sorry excuse for a government even though they ream you in the ass at every chance they can get

[–]okijuhy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

A lot of American GDP is based on poor health and medical bills.

[–]Thinkcali [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I'm an American with free healthcare provided by my state. When you assume, you make an ass- of -u m e. Each state does subsidize healthcare, in my state it's called Medi-Cal. On top of that coverage the federal government provides a free health coverage called Medicare.

These coverages allow me to pick from care providers like Kaiser any county hospital or any University Hospital in California. People who have no health coverage because they're too lazy to apply are given free healthcare at the county Hospitals. Yes, on top of all that, every county provides free health coverage. On top of that if you end up in an emergency room of any hospital and don't have health coverage they'll give you emergency Medi-Cal insurance.

[–]Iorith [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Even if you don't, they still will help you.

[–]apDurodur/r(9k)/obot [スコア非表示]  (31子コメント)

v.s. can provide basic health care. can't land on moon in 2015

[–]DrPavel_Im_CIA [スコア非表示]  (30子コメント)

implying the US can land on the moon in 2015

[–]apDurodur/r(9k)/obot [スコア非表示]  (23子コメント)

they could, if the astronauts were healthy enough

[–]uptotwentycharacters/lgbt/ [スコア非表示]  (15子コメント)

Are you kidding? The U.S. can't even put people in low earth orbit anymore.

[–]Gaproman123 [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

Yea because we're too busy building rockets to go to Mars.

[–]uptotwentycharacters/lgbt/ [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

That's really putting the cart before the horse. It would be far more practical to establish a moon base first and launch the Mars rocket from there, since it wouldn't need to expend as much fuel to escape the moon's gravity.

[–]DraugrMurderboss [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

Permanent settlements on the moon is not a goal for NASA.

[–]uptotwentycharacters/lgbt/ [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

Right, but it would be far easier to get to Mars if we started from the moon rather than from Earth. As it is I think the Mars mission is pretty much doomed to failure.

[–]gjoeyjoeco/ck/ [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Right, but it would be far easier to get to Mars if we started from the moon rather than from Earth.

Do you really think building NASA 2 on the moon is easier than, and would actually help facilitate, landing on Mars?

[–]knukx [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Alright, thanks rocket science expert. I'm sure those NASA fucks have no idea what they are doing. It would be so much simpler to build a fucking base on the moon rather than launch from Earth.

[–]DrPavel_Im_CIA [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

No, the US don't have the resources right now to fly to the moon. They would need a few years to build them.

Edit: Take some morphine for the pain in your asses amerifats.

[–]PM_ME_UR_ADAMS-APPLE [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

US

Literally no one could land on the moon in 2015 provided what you're saying is true.

[–]DrPavel_Im_CIA [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

That's sadly correct. At least for the moment. Heck, the russians are the most capable to go to the moon since they are the only ones with working rockets atm.

[–]IEnjoyPlanes [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Why are all your comments sucking russia's dick?

[–]DrPavel_Im_CIA [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Because they're the only ones able to get people into space atm.

[–]I_ABUSED_YOUR_CHAIR [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

typical amerifat feeling uncomfortable when other nations do something better

[–]sleeplessorion/k/ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

People should pay for their own shot. Why should my tax money be used to treat some hamplanet's diabeetus treatment? They made the decision to be unhealthy, they get to pay for it.

[–]PM_ME_YOUR_BOBBIES [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If we provided free basic healthcare then more of you lesser peasants might try to come over.

[–]Mid22/int/olerant [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

thats because its socialist and other political viewpoints are scary

[–]Telepheron [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Anyone got a more recent HD movie of such a moon landing?

[–]JJWattGotSnubbed [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

[–]ColonialSlag/int/olerant [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

So the reason we never went back to the moon is because some spooky rock lobsters killed a couple guys?

[–]JJWattGotSnubbed [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

implying spooky rock lobsters aren't spooky

[–]IEnjoyPlanes [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

No, but there are some good pictures of mars