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[–]katamura 1148ポイント1149ポイント  (225子コメント)

that red soviet deaths bar that just kept going. what a great visualization of how devastating the european theatre was.

[–]xMASSIVKILLx 61ポイント62ポイント  (5子コメント)

When the body count kept going I got teary eyed. That means that just about every Russian family had a death in the family as a direct result of the war.

[–]NappingisBetter 54ポイント55ポイント  (0子コメント)

My parents are russian and you could see there was just a gap in men of certain ages. For decades you would see just a whole generation of men missing. And many who survived were dead on their feet. Alcoholics or something other.

[–]FactimusMaximus 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

I remember the first time I read the casualty counts in History Classes and it did not even come close to hitting me like watching that did. The USSR was...just absolutely devastated. And that was just deaths. There were tons more injuries and people medically debilitated by the war and Stalin's iron fist. Russia has had it shit for so long.

[–]Jaquestrap 20ポイント21ポイント  (1子コメント)

While you are largely correct,there are some inconsistencies with that statement. There were still many Russian families that got very lucky and had no deaths, and countless other Russian families who completely perished. If you were in the Western part of the country, then your family almost certainly did not go unscathed. But if you lived east of Moscow, and had no family members get drafted or die in an air-raid, then your family might have all survived the war unharmed. Though of course, the vast majority of the Russian population lived in the western parts of the country.

Also it is incredibly important to note that this figure was not simple "Russian" deaths--this was in fact Soviet deaths. Meaning Ukrainian, Belorussian, Caucasian, Central Asian, Lithuanian, and even many Poles/others who had been annexed into the USSR following the partition of Poland in 1939.

As the video showed, proportionally it was Poland that suffered the most devastation--and this is one figure that people are particularly ignorant of.

[–]istinspring[🍰] 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also it is incredibly important to note that this figure was not simple "Russian" deaths--this was in fact Soviet deaths. Meaning Ukrainian, Belorussian, Caucasian, Central Asian, Lithuanian, and even many Poles/others who had been annexed into the USSR following the partition of Poland in 1939.

Totally agree. Yes Poland suffered higher percentage of population loses.

[–]afganposter 211ポイント212ポイント  (59子コメント)

This is why we want all future wars to happen on foreign soil.

[–]DownpoursForAll 177ポイント178ポイント  (54子コメント)

Do we have to have future wars?

[–]afganposter 329ポイント330ポイント  (29子コメント)

I'm sure someone will insist on it

[–]quasifun 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

European nationalism has been on the decline for decades. I don't think we will see another war between rich nations. At worst there will be another cold war between the US and its allies, and China.

[–]flechette_set 51ポイント52ポイント  (22子コメント)

I think we have to ask ourselves as a species whether we want cool movies in the future. If so, then we're gonna need some new wars with robots and energy weapons. We'll just have to pick an out-of-the-way place to do. Indonesia doesn't have too many people, does it?

[–]MCBeathoven 56ポイント57ポイント  (14子コメント)

Nah, only 250 million. It's only the fourth-most populous country of the world after all.

[–]flechette_set 56ポイント57ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yeah? Name one of them.

[–]biggyofmt 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

I thought about your comment, and then realized I could not name a single one.

This actually disturbed me to the point where I looked up a list of famous Indonesians: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indonesians

Then I poured over the list and realized, that I don't recognize any of these names.

So you win this one

[–]xdcs 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

Barack Hussein Obama, formerly.

[–]untaken-username 14ポイント15ポイント  (6子コメント)

I've got a neighbor who works for the Navy, is an ex-SEAL. I talked to him about this one day, about the possibility of no more war. His opinion was that such talk is nonsense because there never is not war. He said today there are conflicts (Ukraine, as an example), but even conflicts you don't hear about - tribal battles in Africa, religious groups killing one another in the Philippines, and so on.

His view is that mankind and war are synonymous. You can try to stop the big wars, but you'll never stamp out violence between groups.

[–]syngeon 13ポイント14ポイント  (5子コメント)

Well, I think a navy SEAL would have a pretty biased view on conflict and war. The fact is that war and conflict has been declining for centuries.

There is no reason to imagine that, as the influences which have resulted in this decline continue to spread throughout the world (things like representative democracy, education, decreases in poverty, etc) the level of war and conflict will continue to decline. That this will result in a level of war and conflict which is essentially zero is not an impossible scenario.

Mankind and war may be synonymous, but so is mankind and empathy, compassion and co-existance.

[–]Speciou5 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

And yet after scrolling the soviet bar for so long, for such dramatic effect, he didn't bother scrolling to the bottom of China's bar.

Overall, still a great video and visualization though, loved it.

[–]SdstcChpmnk 1982ポイント1983ポイント  (360子コメント)

Really good visualization and message. Actually watched the whole thing.

[–]istinspring[🍰] 700ポイント701ポイント  (329子コメント)

Yea this guys deserve huge respect for this. I remember the numbers but i didn't realize the gap before i saw this video.

[–]MBloomberg 323ポイント324ポイント  (322子コメント)

My only beef is that he keeps referring to the entirety of the German military machine as "the nazis."

[–]CaptainObvious_1 194ポイント195ポイント  (209子コメント)

Well- they were fighting for Hitlers Nazi party, so they kind of were Nazis. Were they unaware of the atrocities they committed? Likely, but still Nazi.

Edit: I get it, we don't call our soldiers republicans or democrats. It's slightly different but I get your points.

[–]varysthespider1 165ポイント166ポイント  (20子コメント)

German here

This is a difficult topic and generalizing towards any direction will lead to wrong conclusions.

Let's start before the war: His nationalsocialistic attitudes weren't the reason for Hitler getting elected. Sure, the core of the NSDAP have always been nazis, but most of the Germans have simply been disappointed by the Weimarer Republik.

It should be noted that Germany had huge economical issues after WW1 including a hyperinflation and obviously the Wall Street Crash of 1929. Germany also had to pay reparations for their loss in WW1. Hitler had already been imprisoned in 1923, but his charismatic personality led people to vote for him for the simple reason that he gave them work. Hitler credited himself with the invention of the Autobahn, which was mostly a clever sort of propaganda. People didn't care/realize that his economic success was based on producing arms and military ressources and also making debts that could only be paid off by winning a war.

Hitler's anti-semitic attitude was known by the people of Germany, but sadly people appreciated having found a scapegoat for their problems. It should also be noted that Hitler never won a majority in a democratic election and only got one by dispelling the KPD (Communist Party of Germany) from their seats in the Reichstag.

Right after the war most Germans have tried to renounce any involvement in war crimes or knowledge of them. This includes both soldiers and civilians. I have often talked to my grandma on her experience of the war and she confirms these views, but on the other hand she was still a child and remembers how she was more afraid of a thunderstorm than the bombs. So she might not be the most reliable source.

On the other hand this photo of German soldiers reacting to the cruelty of the camps supports her views.

There are many examples of Nazis being proud of themselves even after the surrender though (Amon Goeth from Schindler's list might be one of the most popular examples. To anyone who hasn't watched the film I highly recommend it.)

The Nuremberg trials concluded that most Germans weren't Nazis and the Wehrmacht not a criminal organization to a scale of the SS, but still commited severe war crimes.

The modern view on the question is more critical of the Germans in general. Germans are accused of Whitewashing themselves from war crimes that would've been impossible to carry out without the assistance of the Wehrmacht. Here is a list of war crimes of the Wehrmacht.

Sorry for some inconsistencies in the post, but in the end it is very difficult to conclude who knew what especially since significant details have been hidden or distorted by all involved powers.

My personal view is that most Germans didn't know what was happening until it was too late, but didn't act against the Nazis to save their own skin. There are some (sadly very few) resistance movements though (The "Weiße Rose" and "Operation Walküre" are common examples). On the other hand soldiers have deliberately commited horrific crimes, that have never been demanded by their military leadership, so I would not consider them "just soldiers".

There is lots of misinformation going around considering the war, although there is a ton of material available (often in visual form), so feel encouraged to research on your own. Independently thinking citizens are crucial in preventing another war with similar scale to WW2, so please find your own political opinion. The worst thing that can happen to a society is people not caring.

[–]bigbadboon 35ポイント36ポイント  (4子コメント)

On the other hand this photo of German soldiers reacting to the cruelty of the camps supports her views.

Americans are fully aware of what happened to native americans but would react similarly to footage showing it.

[–]USOutpost31 31ポイント32ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's not correct specifically. Most of the Kriegsmarine was specifically loyal to the idea of the Imperial German Navy, including Langsdorff, commander of the Graf Spee who committed suicide under that standard in a German cemetery in Montevideo. Most of the Wehrmacht were not Nazis of note, although clearly Nazi generals were promoted to staff positions near Hitler.

Paulus, the commander of German forces at Stalingrad, lived on in the USSR and probably sincerely critized the Nazi regime, finally settling in East Germany.

It's pretty specfically wrong as you drill down into the leaders and active participants in the Nazi party.

[–]zmas 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Paulus said all that while or after a long time as a PoW. He saw the gain in changing allegiance

[–]istinspring[🍰] 89ポイント90ポイント  (132子コメント)

Technically it's not fully correct. SS were nazi but the rest of Wermaht were just a soldiers. Not everyone shared national-socialistic views in Hitler redaction. If you remember some officers even tried to kill Hitler.

[–]PM_ME_ANYTHING_UWANT 164ポイント165ポイント  (96子コメント)

that's the traditionalist view but modern historians have been labelling it as BS for 30 years - the Wehrmacht still burned towns to the ground when the villagers didn't comply. Communities asked the Gestapo to send neighbours to concentration camps if they didn't conform to the 'normal' way of life and many figures from the Pope to every day Germans were demonstrated to have known about the death camps, although perhaps not on the scale that it truly was. The German historian Hans Mommsen calls this the 'cumulative radicalisation' and overall apathy to atrocity in Germany and would be very agree with you if you showed him your statement. Another German historian fought in the war, Joachim Fest but because his father opposed the Nazis he allowed himself to be captured only weeks into the war - are you now so sure that your statement is true?

[–]Asyx 66ポイント67ポイント  (38子コメント)

At least here in Germany. The term "Nazis" is mostly reserved for party members. So, the administration. Like, you'd say stuff like "Nazi concentration camps" because the Nazis administrated those. Or "the Nazis started the war" because the party gave the orders. However, you'd say "The SS arrested people on the streets" (or the Gestapo? I'm not sure who actually came knocking) or "The Wehrmacht raped their way through Poland" (though, you might hear "The nazis invaded poland" depending on the perspective you're looking at).

Usually, we use whatever organisation was involved. That becomes quite important when you go into more detail since there were a lot of organisations. The Schutzpolizei (which is the organisation that is now our police force) was obviously also right under the SS. However, in my city, they were heavily involved in supporting a resistance group that made it possible to surrender the city to the Americans without a single shot fired and prevented the destruction of the whole city (90% of the buildings were already damaged at this point). If you wanted to talk about events like that, just calling everybody a Nazi would blur those lines.

So, for me, just saying "Nazi" sounds wrong. However, I understand that for non-Germans, the differences are not important since you usually deal with the big picture and sub organisations of sub organisations of the SS probably don't matter.

However, everybody who says that it's an insult or disrespectful should probably stop speaking for other people. Most Germans, especially the ones my age, are very well aware of what happened and see it as part of our history. You cannot insult us or disrespect us with that sort of thing since we already accepted the third Reich as part of our history, country, a big influence of our culture (not the third Reich itself but the aftermath) and therefore also us as people. Were random Germans nazis? Most likely not. Does it matter? No, Such pity inaccuracies only distract from the important parts.

Also, a maybe important disclaimer: I've never heard the "the Wehrmacht wasn't that bad" nonsense before I found reddit. So there is no need to include the Wehrmacht under the label "Nazis" to put them into the same category as the other "baddies" since the Wehrmacht itself is not viewed positively.

[–]alachua 45ポイント46ポイント  (26子コメント)

The Wehrmacht was certainly guilty of atrocities but the idea that all Wehrmacht soldiers were hardcore Nazis is ludicrous. That's not what the "modern view" of the matter is, either.

[–]Keljhan 50ポイント51ポイント  (14子コメント)

Nobody said "hardcore" and I think even a layman would know that most of the average soldiers were simply following orders. It wasn't just the Nazis that did dirty shit either. The Japanese POW and internment camps in America is one of the darkest parts of the war for the allies. And anyone with High School history experience knows Stalin was arguably as bad (or worse) than Hitler himself. Not to mention Mao Zedong.

War is dirty, and cruel. This video shows that fairly well. No one is really in the right when it comes to mass murder for political gain. No matter what you call them.

[–]Schootingstarr 19ポイント20ポイント  (5子コメント)

let's just throw the "noble wehrmacht" out of the window, yes?

the wehrmacht was an important (and complying) part of the nazi-german death-machine

there is nothing we can excuse about it, and there is nothing we should excuse. the people who fought in ww2 are dead, or will soon die. it does more hamr than good to try and find a positive angle to look at this mess

and of course, not everyone shared hitlers view, but few were brave enough to disagree, and even fewer of those survived their defiance. it was easier and safer to go along with it. basic human psychology, really. but it doesn't make them innocent

[–]IVE_GOT_STREET_CRED 49ポイント50ポイント  (8子コメント)

Please stop trying to propagate the "clean Wermacht" myth. It is exactly that, a myth.

Downvotes don't change the fact that the Wermacht participated in many mass killings of civilians, POWs, and war crimes. Can't change that even if you choose to ignore it.

[–]dalebonehart 52ポイント53ポイント  (8子コメント)

My beef is that some people have such a hard on for trying to white wash Nazi Germany's history and its military's role in atrocities.

[–]pirat314159265359 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

Isn't that what everyone does about most wars? The allies did horrible things throughout the war including firebombing civilians (Churchill said he enjoyed the death counts of civilians), and many horrible things post war including mass starvation and slavery. History always seems to be whitewashed, including the piles if nasty things the Nazis did.

[–]taint_the_minge 27ポイント28ポイント  (1子コメント)

So what then, should we break down every single war in history to the name, rank, unit of each individual even though the entire country is at war? You're taking offense just to take offense, like it's some "cause". You're saying that not 100% of Germany's populace agreed with Hitler - well no shit, name one country in history where 100% of the population agreed with anything.

Point is, they are and always will be understood as: "The Nazis" when referring to WWII.

[–]Bursoa111 33ポイント34ポイント  (29子コメント)

It was a fascist state, so Germany/Nazis/The Third Reich.. it's all interchangeable, it all means the same thing.

[–]Iamanentrepreneur 21ポイント22ポイント  (1子コメント)

Pretty amazing. If you watch the interactive version, the ending is much more meaningful because it zooms in on today's exact date and time. Threw me off for a second there. Really magnificent.

[–]leyts 37ポイント38ポイント  (2子コメント)

I saw the video length and thought "nope", but once I started, there was no stopping.

[–]AdrianMD 639ポイント640ポイント  (348子コメント)

That Russian military count was chilling.

[–]toxicass 131ポイント132ポイント  (41子コメント)

Yeah, think what you will about Russians and their leaders, but no country on earth has paid for every square inch of their land in more blood than they have in such a short period. It's mind boggling to think how many people were slaughtered per square foot on the eastern front.

[–]CMBDSP 71ポイント72ポイント  (29子コメント)

Especially if you consider the russian civil war, the forced collectivization, and the great purge as well these numbers get so huge, that they almost appear ridicolus (meaning that my mind cant comprehend the amount of suffering these people had to endure). Pretty much all of WW1 until end of WW2 was a horrible time for not only russia, but all of eastern europe.

[–]NinjaPirateCyborg 78ポイント79ポイント  (9子コメント)

Wait until you see Chinese history

[–]blackgold161 23ポイント24ポイント  (5子コメント)

Those numbers are fucking crazy. Especially for such ancient wars.

[–]AceCake 19ポイント20ポイント  (3子コメント)

Not just wars, but the amount of people killed building canals etc. Is just as staggering. They moved the entire capital city, inhabitants and all, causing millions of deaths. Just staggering, and none them due to or for a war.

[–]Malamine 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

"think what you will about Russians and their leaders"

The video specifically pointed out that a lot of those deaths could be attributed to Russian leaders' indifference toward their own populations. My point being that the deaths don't give me any reason to feel sorry for the leaders, only the people.

[–]megabreccia 35ポイント36ポイント  (21子コメント)

Russian demograhics are still messed up to this day because of WWII and following wars. There is a shortage of men. I saw one old man when I was visiting Russia,

[–]infinitum17 490ポイント491ポイント  (250子コメント)

In America, we are basically taught that American won WWII, but really, it was the Soviets who were far more responsible for defeating the Nazis than we were. Not to diminish what the US military did, but the USSR suffered tremendously more than the US.

EDIT: I don't know what the hell I'm talking about. All I know is that the Germans lost a LOT on the Russian front, and that had to have made it easier for the US and Britain to come in on the other side and kick some weakened Germans ass. Am I wrong about this?

[–]bzsteele 650ポイント651ポイント  (73子コメント)

There's a saying that says something like, "WW2 Was won with British intelligence, American manufacturing, and Russian blood."

[–]linesreadlines 297ポイント298ポイント  (44子コメント)

There was a poll in France asking people "Who contributed most to the defeat of Nazi Germany in WWII", taken in 1945 and in 2004.

These are the stunning results

Never underestimate the power of Hollywood to revise perception of history in today's population.

[–]OmicronNine 36ポイント37ポイント  (2子コメント)

I would say this is more a reflection of the cold war and a few generations of the USSR/Russia being the enemy.

[–]Sixcoup 21ポイント22ポイント  (5子コメント)

Before Holywood the biggest reason of these change is the perception of the URSS after the war.

From the savior of europe to the bad guy communist. It became harder and harder to admit that the guys who saved europe were the same guy who occupied most of eastern europe and put horrible communist dictature everywhere.

As my grandfather always told me : The soviets save us from the nazi, but the american saved us from the soviets.

[–]sabbathrules 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

On one hand I really really agree with you because I think most people born in the last 30 years don't fully understand the after effects from the Cold War which still influence us today, like modern politicians who still have a cold war-era mindset on world politics. If it wasn't for the US the Soviets would be in charge of the world.

On the other hand the Americans drastically overestimated Soviet aggression. Looking into Russian archives following the war, and from personal accounts, there is a narrative about a mentality in Russia of Americans being the aggressors. Which seems to be true when you approach things from a different perspective, like the Missle Gap.

[–]Eatdubchomp 52ポイント53ポイント  (8子コメント)

I think part of it may also be that the Americans, Canadians, British, etc. were the ones mainly responsible for liberating France from Germany, something the Eastern Europe was perhaps rather jealous of after the war.

[–]Anterai 139ポイント140ポイント  (2子コメント)

If this was true, then the 1945 polls would show different numbers

[–]CuriousBlueAbra 20ポイント21ポイント  (1子コメント)

At the time there was a lot of pro-Soviet propaganda to gloss over the fact that we were siding with a brutal dictatorship, albeit for the purposes of fighting even worse government. You can't necessarily take the results from that time as accurate, in a similar manner to modern results possibly being titled by Hollywood influence.

As Churchill said:

" If Hitler invaded Hell, I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons"

[–]linesreadlines 21ポイント22ポイント  (2子コメント)

Then shouldn't the 1945 also show that the Soviets weren't the main reason that German was toppled, when opinions were reflected of people who actually lived through the events and which wasn't influenced by the Hollywood narrative of WWII? Where was "Eastern Europe was perhaps rather jealous of after the war" and what does that even mean? "Perphaps rather jealous" according to whom?

[–]Eugenes_Axe 63ポイント64ポイント  (6子コメント)

I've heard the variant "British intelligence, American money, and Russian blood." But the point still stands.

[–]ZeeNewAccount 31ポイント32ポイント  (3子コメント)

I believe that the word manufacturing is more accurate. A country with America's money, but not its manufacturing base/prowess would have been less helpful.

[–]Malamine 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also I'd imagine the fact that America wasn't dealing with being attacked on its own soil helped sustain that manufacturing throughout the war.

[–]Eugenes_Axe 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

England had (has) world class engineers, what we lacked at that point was resources.

[–]emanresuaesoohc 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

As an American student I will say that we are most definitely NOT taught that America won WWII, but rather that the U.S. was on the victorious side, and that the war may have been lost (or at least been incrementally worse for Europe) had the U.S. not gotten involved.

[–]DownpoursForAll 72ポイント73ポイント  (66子コメント)

In America, we are basically taught that American won WWII,

What hobunk school did you go to? That's not a fair generalization in the slightest.

[–]are_you_nucking_futs 63ポイント64ポイント  (54子コメント)

As a Brit living in America, the amount of Americans who say 'we' saved your ass in WWII as astounding. I see students with 'back to back world war champions' on their jackets. So many see the whole thing as a game.

[–]Hatewrecked 81ポイント82ポイント  (25子コメント)

back to back world war champions

That's a running internet joke.

But at the same time, Brits weren't in great shape when Americans got involved. They were pushed out of mainland Europe. There's no disputing that American involvement saved many thousands of English lives.

[–]Soupchild 31ポイント32ポイント  (8子コメント)

'back to back world war champions'

Of course the shirt is a joke. It's just good old American ironic faux patriotism along the lines of /r/murica. You're reading too far into that one.

So many see the whole thing as a game.

The veteran-honoring community events I went to as a kid were pretty solemn and serious, and given the number of vets with PTSD from various wars I can hardly agree.

[–]fjwkfkv 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sarcasm doesn't work in writing.

You are who you pretend to be

[–]toxicass 43ポイント44ポイント  (47子コメント)

I still don't discount the impact we as country along with the western allies had on the war. There is a reason Stalin basically begged for a second front. And he was right. Things would have gotten incredibly worse without a combined drive to Berlin. The soviets had no ability to fight with out the lend-lease program to fill the gap in equipment till they could start massive production.

[–]PinataBinLaden 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not true. We haven't been taught that in a while. There's still a lot of reasons to believe that the U.S. played a giant part in ending the war though.

[–]Shahhe 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

In the vast majority of the US, that isn't what is taught at all.

[–]corystereo 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

In America, we are basically taught that American won WWII

You're confusing America with the comments section on YouTube videos.

[–]narf3684 28ポイント29ポイント  (15子コメント)

I really find this quite annoying. I agree with the overall premise of the Soviet Union being much more responsible for victory in WWII than American history gives them credit for. However, number of deaths is hardly how we should be judging contribution to a war.

The Soviets were essential in bogging down the Nazi's. They demanded extensive resources, and were a drain on the Nazi war effort for the entirety of the war like no other conflict was. But it's not just numbers that win a war, and the western front fought a much more strategic war.

The western front's contribution is undermined by using number of deaths, and the Soviets inflated.

[–]DevFRus 14ポイント15ポイント  (4子コメント)

Did you even read what you wrote? You just equated unimaginable number of lives lost to "oh yeah, they were just bogging down the Germans and distraction them from us, the important strategic thinkers".

Have some respect, dude. Find something else to be annoyed by.

[–]Altoids79765 11ポイント12ポイント  (15子コメント)

Imagine if they collected all the blood they could have made rivers or something

[–]_Wintermute 59ポイント60ポイント  (11子コメント)

8.7 million people, 5.5L per person. 47.8 million litres of blood, or ~ 19 Olympic swimming pools.

It felt really wrong working that out.

[–]Blaiz1T 22ポイント23ポイント  (5子コメント)

That's only the military deaths, I believe. Over 80 million died. 440 million litres of blood.

It feels even worse working this out. I feel a tad sick.

[–]CuriousMetaphor 13ポイント14ポイント  (3子コメント)

The Seine river that runs through Paris has a volume flow rate of about 5 cubic meters per second. It would take over 24 hours for 440 million liters to flow through the Seine in Paris.

[–]BigSwedenMan 87ポイント88ポイント  (6子コメント)

Wow. Fantastic job. This gives you a great breakdown of who, when, how, and where those deaths occurred. I also love the comparison to other wars. One of the top submissions I've ever seen on this sub. 70 million people is such a staggering number. Unfathomable really. That's about 1/4 the population of the entire US.

[–]RedditorBe 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

Approximately 16 times as many people died in WW2 as my country has population today. Bloody hell.

[–]ZoidbergSaysWoop 66ポイント67ポイント  (3子コメント)

We must never stop trying to maintain perspective.

This was a pleasure to watch.

[–]TMGunzanar 185ポイント186ポイント  (14子コメント)

Internet makes recent wars and conflicts more visible, but that doesn't mean anything. If people believe we are on the edge of destruction nowadays, imagine internet and free world wide media coverage during WWII, people would have gone nuts.

[–]cardevitoraphicticia 115ポイント116ポイント  (10子コメント)

Imagine if every WWII soldier had a GoPro mounted on his helmet. The amount of incredible footage would mean I'd never leave my mom's basement.

[–]TMGunzanar 33ポイント34ポイント  (7子コメント)

Two GoPros per soldier for Oculus Rift stereoscopic footage!

[–]Freezer_Slave 164ポイント165ポイント  (5子コメント)

"Watch this video to get PTSD."

[–]Snailic 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

It'd be the new 'jump scare'.

[–]thatguy_314 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

But instead of going from screaming to laughing, you would go from screaming to crying.

[–]3xEntendre 719ポイント720ポイント  (77子コメント)

If more education was done like this, I believe we would have a higher knowledge retention rate for the rest of us.

[–]pATREUS 371ポイント372ポイント  (63子コメント)

I never realised Poland had so many casualties.

[–]canaman18 269ポイント270ポイント  (44子コメント)

Yeah the Polish people sacrificed an incredible amount during the war. I think every Polish family I know (mine included) lost many relatives in the war. And yet the Poles were the only Allied country not invited to the Victory Parade in London in 1946.

[–]bitesizebeef 175ポイント176ポイント  (14子コメント)

The only ones left in my family are the ones that made it to America.

[–]wiener4hir3 59ポイント60ポイント  (9子コメント)

Damn. That says something.

[–]bitesizebeef 44ポイント45ポイント  (7子コメント)

My best friends family was Czech Nazi's and lead to interesting family stories. We were talking about WW2 and how all of my family that stayed in Poland died during the Warsaw uprising, where the Polish resistance recaptured a major part of Warsaw but Stalin would not reinforce them so the Germans regrouped and killed everyone. Meanwhile his great grandpa was a Nazi U-boat commander, that was apart of an Atlantic wolf pack hunting supply ships. He was captured and sent to a POW camp in Alberta. He escaped and evaded search parties until he got to where he was going to be rescued by another U-boat off the coast of Newfoundland. When the U-boat surfaced to pick him up they were all captured. After the war ended he was allowed to stay and moved from Canada to America. That is how our two families came to be in the same area for us to meet.

Edit: after talking to my friend, it is not his grandfather but they are somehow related. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfgang_Heyda if you want to read the actual story not my butchered version

[–]i_slay_from_far_away 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

That is a hell of a story! Do you happen to remember his or the sub's name that tried to rescue him? I would absolutely love to read up on that some more!

[–]bitesizebeef 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

I called my buddy to ask him, I was wrong about it being his grandfather. Wolfgang Heyda was the guys name, he was not directly related, but is in the same family at least that is what his parents told him. I googled his name this is what came up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfgang_Heyda

[–]Dakewlguy 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Jew here; ditto.

[–]DinosaurPizza 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

My parents were born in Poland and our entire ancestry is entirely Polish and they are majority insulted by the actions of the allies. My dad gets red-mad when you get him talking about it because a lot of things happened to Poland that people don't talk about because they're not part of the cool kids club.

Example: Poland specifically signed a defensive pact agreement with England so if anyone invaded them that it would ignite a war. They did this so it would protect them from aggressors like Russia or Germany. However when Germany invaded them and Poland sent for help to their English ally they were ignored because England didn't want to start a war. My dad says if England were to do that to a country like the United States it would never be forgiven but because it's Poland people are basically like "well fuck em."

Another example of Poland getting the dick: Polish forces had the Warsaw uprising where they nearly retook the city of Warsaw from the Nazi forces. They were very close to securing the city when Soviet forces advanced on the city. The Polish forces were expecting "enemy of my enemy is my friend" to hold up, but the Soviet forces diverted away from the city, despite request for assistance. This forced the Polish uprising to negotiate with the Nazi forces to ceasefire. This resulted in the uprising forces to evacuate to the city to other locations, most of which were concentration camps, where the rebel soldiers were executed.

The soviets then took Warsaw with ease, since the Nazi forces were weakened from fighting the Uprising. Meanwhile the Polish people who lived in the city, and fought for the city, were dying in labor camps somewhere far away from their homes.

[–]pATREUS 40ポイント41ポイント  (20子コメント)

Strange isn't it. Lot's of whining in UK about Polish immigration, but they helped us in the Battle of Britain. I just do not understand it. Best Wishes to you.

[–]SP0oONY 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

The view on Polish immigrants is mostly positive in the UK. They're seen as hard workers that do jobs that we don't want to. The recent bashing of immigrants was fear mongering by UKIP over benefit and health tourism from the likes of Romania/Bulgaria, in an attempt to promote an exit from Europe.

[–]WooooookieCrisp 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

What was bad for the polish people was they suffered at the hands of the nazi's AND the soviets at the same time! We forget hitler and Stalin had a non aggression pact for awhile. A horrifying thought

[–]thathistoryguy 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, the Soviet Union at the time occupied them, and there were still multiple Polish governments, and in a very real sense a civil war was ongoing between Polish and Ukrainian nationality's. It would have been impossible to actually get a polish parade without any number of people calling it a sham.

[–]Beejsterb 19ポイント20ポイント  (2子コメント)

Same as Yugoslavia

[–]thedrivingcat 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah. The Poles and Yugoslav resistance to occupation is oft overlooked; both peoples put up incredible fights against the Germans.

[–]Pawulon 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

And yet there are people who think that Holocaust was administered by Nazi Germany along with Poland.

[–]CheesecakeJukebox 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

I knew Poland lost a lot but I was under the impression that it was mainly due to military causalities. I was rather surprised to hear that nearly all of the Jews killed in the Holocaust were Polish. Why did Germany care about Jewish people in Poland so much? Surely there were lots of Jewish people in other countries nearby. I guess I always sorta thought that the Holocaust was mainly the Germans targeting their own Jewish population to clear their own country of Jewish people.

[–]TheGuineaPig21 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

There were a number of reasons; Poland had the world's largest Jewish population, Poland was considered to be of prime importance to the Third Reich (some parts being annexed directly to Greater Germany, the rest becoming what was intended to be an important colony), and Poland's population was quite anti-semitic. Killing Polish Jews thus had a much higher priority, and a much higher possible percentage of eradication.

I guess I always sorta thought that the Holocaust was mainly the Germans targeting their own Jewish population to clear their own country of Jewish people.

The Holocaust was not one single instance, but rather a series of events with evolving purposes and aims. The mass killings of Jews began with the execution of Jewish military-age males in the Soviet Union during the invasion of the Soviet Union, and then expanding to include all Jews. After the failure of Operation Barbarossa, there was a deliberate shift to the extermination of all European Jewry, focusing first on Polish Jews in Operation Reinhardt (1942-43), then Western and southern Europe, and finally from German puppets (Italian Social Republic and Hungary). There's a lot of debate on the exact nature of the decision making that led to the Holocaust.

[–]aw177 10ポイント11ポイント  (7子コメント)

It's been an idea that I've had for years that I couldn't quite articulate until just now, but aesthetics plays a tremendous role in education. It's not enough to have the information, or study it, it needs to look "good".

There's a thing called "artsci" actually, where science is presented artistically. I truly believe this is the future of science.

[–]whiteman79 222ポイント223ポイント  (5子コメント)

awesome job, one of best i have seen on this /r/

[–]captain_manatee 315ポイント316ポイント  (45子コメント)

Watching on their website is even better. Allows interactivity, and the clock sequence at the end actually goes to the current time, which is a powerful touch.

My one nitpick is that they don't include the Ukraine/Russia conflict, although that may be because it's hard to categorize/their data doesn't go that recently

[–]Tift 123ポイント124ポイント  (21子コメント)

They glossed over conflicts during the last 5 years, probably because the data isn't really there yet.

[–]captain_manatee 40ポイント41ポイント  (18子コメント)

Yeah just thought it was interesting because one of their points is that European countries haven't fought each other since WWII (specifically pointing out an exception) but glossing over Ukraine.

[–]Speedzor 34ポイント35ポイント  (8子コメント)

Not to mention the Russia - Georgia war only 10 years ago. It wasn't big scale and they're both partially outside Europe but it's still worth a footnote.

[–]VertigoDota 44ポイント45ポイント  (3子コメント)

You can hardly count Georgia as a European country.

[–]midvote 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

Europe's a vague concept geographically, but a small part of Georgia is in Europe by some definitions.

[–]Randosity42 26ポイント27ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yea, the clock at the end was great.

[–]rk800 18ポイント19ポイント  (3子コメント)

AND THEY DIDN'T INCLUDE THE RUSSIAN/FINNISH WAR.

[–]Nicolas_Phage 28ポイント29ポイント  (5子コメント)

Wow i got goosebumps at the Russian casualty count

[–]justarndredditor 25ポイント26ポイント  (4子コメント)

Don't forget what he said at the beginning, for every 1000 casualtities, there are on average more then 1000 injured...

[–]Beaver_Enthusiast 26ポイント27ポイント  (3子コメント)

This was very interesting! Thanks for sharing! And wow, Stalingrad must have been insane, I can't even imagine how bad this battle must have been.

[–]privethello 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just about any battle from the great patriotic war was atrocious.

If you're at all interested, research Kursk, Moscow, Leningrad, Dnieper, Minsk, Voronezh, Berlin, etc.

The size of the eastern front was staggering

[–]bonisaur 37ポイント38ポイント  (18子コメント)

As a history buff, I'm in awe.

If anyone wants to learn more about the long/new peace discussion this video tries to tackle it: https://youtu.be/NbuUW9i-mHs

It asks the question "Is War Over" and while it isn't as data driven, it's mix of question and critical thinking is definitely a good follow up to this video.

Edit: just rewatched it. This is definitely data driven. Some other videos are more of a thought problem but this one uses maps and numbers in visualized data.

[–]boatmover 8ポイント9ポイント  (6子コメント)

Good video, although there is another potential reason for the "new peace" they overlook, because it's ugly and controversial. That is the utter dominance in military power in the bi-polar and now uni-polar world. The risks to a major economy that is not a top tier power (as in anyone but the US, and USSR before it dissolved) are simply not worth the cost of agitating that scale of conflict.

Monopolies of power run the risk of abuse, where a powerful state bullies a weaker one. There are too many examples to count since 1945. These conflicts are inherently unequal contests, where the powerful side either wins, or gets tired of fighting and decides the costs are not worth the gains. What you do not see is contests among relative equals. A fair fight is great in sports, but WWI and WWII show how horrific they can be in real conflict.

The theory is called hegemonic stability. I'm a US military veteran, which obviously colors my view. But ask yourself this: if you are Putin, and you know there is a U.S. armored division hanging out in Germany, a few days at most away from Ukraine, is your invasion worth the risk?

[–]catoftrash 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

They were edging on some sort of hybrid democratic peace theory/liberal institutionalism theory, I'm skeptical because the DPT (monadic) has had so many holes shot in it over the years that everyone in IR knows it's dead. It definitely helps that were are not in a multipolar system, but I'm not entirely sure that is the correct explanation. One of the biggest contributors is definitely nuclear weapons, but it is hard to differentiate on the timeline with liberal institutions and DPT since the shift in correlates for most indicators is in 1945 which is when nuclear weapons, liberal institutions, and democracy proliferated.

[–]european_impostor 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

Good video. I'd say that the Internet is probably one of the major reasons behind globalisation, and therefore world peace. The ability to easily communicate with anyone on the planet breaks down those old barriers of prejudice and F.U.D between countries.

So next time you're browsing Reddit looking at cat pictures, remember that you're contributing to peace on Earth!

[–]not_gridly 135ポイント136ポイント  (4子コメント)

Upvoted then downvoted so I could upvote twice. This was awesome. The interactive version on the site is much cooler, however. I actually payed $25 to support because I feel so strongly about how well this was done.

Thank you for sharing this.

[–]punisher1005 37ポイント38ポイント  (1子コメント)

I paid the suggested ticket price, $2.50. I admire what they are doing and the responsible way of monetizing it so they can continue to produce them. Good luck to them I hope they make many more.

[–]Florrey 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Same! I highly respect that there isn't a pay wall to watch it, and I can tell there was just so much work put into the video. I think it's almost a trivial choice to be supporting this type of high-quality, educational content.

[–]Corticotropin 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wish they had paypal... When he said "please pay the suggested ticket price if you appreciated the video" I was all I HAVE TO PAY IT but then the only checkout option is Amazon...

[–]elblanco 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

Absolutely beautiful work. Education at its finest.

[–]Rambee 47ポイント48ポイント  (3子コメント)

I've browsed reddit for years and have only now found my reason for officially joining. Thank you for sharing this piece

[–]Putupmydukes 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

I wish the fatalities as percentage of the world population would be interactive aswell. Apparently the An Lushan Rebellion was the biggest loss of human life in history, proportionally speaking. According to Wikipedia the death toll comes from the difference between two censuses, dropping from 53 million to 17 million:

Some scholars have interpreted the difference in the census figures as implying the deaths of 36 million people, about two-thirds of the population of the empire. This figure was used in Steven Pinker's book The Better Angels of Our Nature, where it is presented as proportionally the largest atrocity in history with the loss of a sixth of the world's population at that time,[18] though Pinker noted that the figure was controversial.[19]

Historians such as Charles Patrick Fitzgerald argue that a claim of 36 million deaths is incompatible with contemporary accounts of the war.[20] They point out that the numbers recorded on the postwar registers reflect not only population loss, but also a breakdown of the census system as well as the removal from the census figures of various classes of untaxed persons, such as those in religious orders, foreigners and merchants.[21] For these reasons, census numbers for the post-rebellion Tang are considered unreliable.[17] Another consideration is the fact that the territory controlled by Tang central authority was diminished by the equivalent of several of the northern provinces, so that something like a quarter of the surviving population were no longer within the area subject to the imperial revenue system.[22]

[–]Entity17 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

That was emotionally difficult to watch. The Soviet Union military deaths were appalling.

[–]tevert 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Think about how complex our lives are. Our emotions, our friends and family, our possessions and desires. Then imagine 41 fucking million of those getting erased from existence. And all for the sake of a few dictator's dreams. Fuck people....

[–]Hankypankieee 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

The saddest part of that video for me is that those numbers are so large that they I can't even relate to them. 20 million civilian deaths is an unfathomable amount of people it's just insane how many people died in that one war.

[–]Herzin 24ポイント25ポイント  (23子コメント)

Great video, I would love to see how this affected todays population numbers. What amount would we have with and without these deaths.

[–]R-M-Pitt 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

Russian demographics are still messed up to this day.

[–]cybercuzco_2 22ポイント23ポイント  (2子コメント)

In 1939 Russia proper (not the sov union) Had 109 million people. The us had about 130. For Russia the baby boom never happened, in fact it was a baby slump after the war. Today Russia has 146 million people and the us has 322.

[–]privethello 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The 20th century was a very dark period in our country.

Misfortune after misfortune, yet we prevailed and grew to establish ourselves as a superpower.

WWI

Bolshevik Civil War & Fall of the Monarchy

Various Bolshevik Genocides and "reorganization" from 1920 to 1937

WW2

[–]pacollegENT 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Very interesting question

[–]Zuggtmoy 23ポイント24ポイント  (4子コメント)

Greetings from Poland.
Best visualization I have ever seen! Forced me to think a lot. Times were cruel.

[–]FredeFuppe 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is one of the few times where /r/dataisbeautiful really has touched me and been truly beautiful to me.

[–]kajkajete 51ポイント52ポイント  (6子コメント)

Just a little correction: The Katyn Massacre was perpetreated by the soviet union, not by the nazis.The way he presents it, it seems that the nazis did it. But I understand, It would have been far more complicated to display.

[–]T3hPop3 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

Is there one similar to this for World War 1?

[–]PingPongSensation 29ポイント30ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow. That was really really well produced and informative.

Thank you :)

[–]Racing_Idaten 28ポイント29ポイント  (3子コメント)

"No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend's or of thine own were: any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bells tolls; it tolls for thee."

[–]TheWugLifeChoseMe 33ポイント34ポイント  (0子コメント)

This was, without a doubt, the best data viz project I have ever seen. I have to do something like this. Does anyone have any idea how he made it interactive and so seamless with video presentation? Is there a framework out there for this type of presentation?

[–]SidneyRush 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

I like how the more I learn about WWII the more I understand the bias of the Cold War in my education. They practically glossed over Russian and Chinese losses. In fact, the entire Pacific/Asian theater was treated as such an afterthought by my history teacher that I decided to study Asian history in college.

[–]Hewasjoking 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Stalingrad was not successfully taken by the Germans as the video said. Although the Germans made to the western bank of the Volga in one sector(during the November offensive if I am remembering correctly) they never held all of the river and never pushed the soviets across the Volga. However it would not have mattered because the German flanks to the North and South were held by Hungarian, Romanian, and Italian soldiers that were doomed to fall in the face of over a million Soviet soldiers of the counterattack of Operation Uranus. The high water mark was at 90% of the city occupied by the wehrmacht. Great video nonetheless.

[–]zyra_main 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

Literally the top post on this sub less than 24 hours ago. And then it linked to the website, which is much better (interactive).
http://www.fallen.io/ww2/

[–]_DasDingo_ 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

The only thing that stopped us from continuing the killing wasn't the sudden realisation that war is bad. It was the atomic bombs. Fortunately, the nuclear powers know if they declare war with each other, they will fuck up the whole planet.

[–]xv323 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Anyone who doesn't realise just how colossal the Eastern Front of WW2 was needs to see this.

[–]jimmy011087 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Amazingly good! How do you even put something like that together?!

[–]Infundibulite 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

exactly my question... I know some about stats visualization, but making it animated in this level of detail is amazing.

Clearly its some form of vector based graphics manipulation... I know the D3 javascript library could be capable in theory of this, but it would be a massive undertaking

[–]Lucassssssss 6ポイント7ポイント  (7子コメント)

Two things strike me about this video. The first is the sheer number of axis forces which died, along with civilians, I always have wondered how the people who died are remembered. Are they remembered with fondness and gratitude like they are in the allied countries?

Secondly is how many Poles died in the war. Being half Polish it has always shocked me how people in England are very aware of the holocaust, a great atrocity, which claimed many lives. But are completely unaware of atrocities under the Soviet occupation of Poland, such as the Katyn Massacre and the general treatment of Poland under this regime, since at the time a blind eye was turned to it by the West.

[–]anti-sage 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

I was just wondering why he doesn't include Yugoslavia in the 90s as Europe going to war with each other? If it's being technical about definitions of war that seems pedantic, and maybe biased.

[–]booyatrive 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I thought the same thing. Could be a technical definition or maybe it was put under the civil war numbers.

[–]smarvin6689 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Watching the Soviet Union deaths stack up was just... chilling. Wow.

[–]WINZOW 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Soviet strategy was to clog the German meat grinder with human bodies.

[–]Erin_Broccolivich 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

That ending was beautiful - I hope everyone watches until the end.

[–]FRIENDLY_CANADIAN 31ポイント32ポイント  (19子コメント)

That was a great, entertaining video. I have two small gripes however ;

  • Canada was not represented even though we lost about 45 thousand soldiers. There are two explanations for the oversight, either we were ignored completely ( doubt), or rather (I assume) we were grouped in with the British colonies. That's not really a great way to approach it either.. Canada went to war automatically in 1914 when Britain declared war, but we symbolically declared was independently during WW2 at a different date (although we were still required to go to war under Britain). As a Canadian, it's an important symbolic distinction, so it's more of a personal gripe, but I can understand why someone might have thought it was okay to lump us in with the empire.

  • Second, the announcer does take some political stances, which I try to avoid as a general rule. The numbers should tell the story, not your own ideology, bias, etc. I'm not necessarily saying I disagree with any of his stances either, but when you tell a story, and add something which is debatable to a certain extent for much of the population, it takes away from the true, nitty gritty, bare understanding that is statistics IMO. Essentially, I would rather just listen to numbers, because numbers don't lie, take stances, or give opinions.

Just my 2 cents, great video overall however!

Video 8/10

Video on rice 9/10

[–]animal9633 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

On a side note, it also highlights the staggering amount of people currently living, going by the modern 7bn people alive, then 20 million lost is still a very small number. We could lose that amount 350 times (although of course there hadn't been that many living during WW2)

Losing 1 in 350 people now in modern times (ignoring the personal loss of family/friends) would be barely noticeable.

[–]TheMostGood 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

2/3 of German casualties were from the Russians.

[–]xproofx 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fascinating video. Thanks for sharing.

[–]nckswt 19ポイント20ポイント  (23子コメント)

What about Canada? I loved the video, but I'm pretty annoyed that we didn't seem to be considered.

[–]P357 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

My 1st thought was: we didn't lose more than 1000? That doesn't seem right. I remember history!

"Over the course of the war, 1.1 million Canadians served in the Army, Navy, and Air Force. Of these more than 45,000 lost their lives and another 54,000 were wounded."

[–]EricWB 27ポイント28ポイント  (10子コメント)

"Britain and it's colonies" which is really dumb because we had not been a colony of Britain for 78 years at that point.

[–]Extradaemon 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

They should have written it as 'Britain and Commonwealth' or just 'The Commonwealth' instead.

[–]SP0oONY 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Should have said "Britain and the Commonwealth" if anything.

[–]ownage99988 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ever since I was a 10 year old, WW2 has interested me greatly. I went into this video knowing all the numbers he was about to say, trying to see if I could find a mistake. But something about this visualization is incredible and saddening. Being part Russian, and Polish, seeing the Russian deaths keep going was so real. There's a reason they say that WW2 was won by British Intelligence, American Industry, and Russian Blood. I've never seen the numbers like this before. This is a great video.

[–]qous 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Stunning. Really puts it into perspective.

[–]andrushkin_k 18ポイント19ポイント  (10子コメント)

Lost my great grandpa in the battle of Stalingrad and lost my great uncle. Both fought to stop the spread of fascism.

[–]sick_yilmaz 78ポイント79ポイント  (69子コメント)

Good video, but calling the german infantry all nazis is completely wrong.

[–]Hakim_Slackin 73ポイント74ポイント  (47子コメント)

They were cogs in the nazi system, so I think it was permissible.

[–]tylorjams 46ポイント47ポイント  (20子コメント)

If you're going refer to the German military as "Nazis" I think you have to then call Japanese "Imperial Forces" and Russians "Soviets" and so on. You either refer to these militaries by their nationalities or by their national governments at that time. Mixing and matching is sloppy at best. Not that this video isn't fantastic but it's a convention that is misleading and inaccurate.

[–]Hakim_Slackin 34ポイント35ポイント  (13子コメント)

afaik historians do refer to the russians (and other nationalities fighting under the soviet union) as soviets, Japanese are commonly referred to as Imperial forces and all that. If anything with Germans there is more discernment between how their forces are referred to.

You gonna refer to the Tajiks or Uzbeks as Russians?

[–]IVE_GOT_STREET_CRED 20ポイント21ポイント  (2子コメント)

No it isn't. The Wermacht participated in many of the mass killings that took place in the war alongside the SS and on their own. Not all German soldiers were members of the Nazi party, but many engaged in war crimes all the same.

[–]Bezant 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yep, hearing Nazis and Japanese right next to each other is really jarring.

[–]PChris13 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I had no idea we lost that many people in WW2. Especially the Soviets. Wow.

[–]weta_10 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Data is beautiful. War is fucking stupid.

[–]JustFinishedBSG 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you were to add the civilians + soldiers in Asia killed by Japan you would dwarf the Russian losses...

[–]DatNewbChemist 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I was actually kind of moved... I just really don't know what to say about it.

[–]yosoygahgah 4ポイント5ポイント  (12子コメント)

What is the most devastating war proportionally speaking on world population?

[–]hazenthephysicist 4ポイント5ポイント  (6子コメント)

Edit: Pretty great presentation overall, but...

Why not mention the 4-7 million Indian/Bengali civilians who were starved to death by the British to support the war effort. As you can see around the 13 min mark, this was more than the number of Japanese civilians killed in the war. No wonder it's called the 'forgotten holocaust'.

[–]FRue_the_day 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

Genuinely curious redditor here. After skimming the Wikipedia page (not a great source, I know) about the Bengal Famine of 1943 it seemed to me that the fault lied more with the elected provincial governments than British actions. Why do you blame the British for the famine? Anyway, to be honest, I probably haven't read enough about the topic.

[–]ColdFire86 16ポイント17ポイント  (10子コメント)

Your monthly reminder that it was Russia who won WW2.

[–]Rstanz 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

I knew my Canadian uncle was lying about that time he died in World War 2! This video is all the proof I need.