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ROSS ULBRICHT IS INNOCENT (self.law)

egidioagricola が 投稿

Ross Ulbricht is Innocent. All he did was program computers. By submitting this text post, I have programmed a computer.

Ross Ulbricht was convicted for being a political dissident in the drug war. His subjective beliefs and expressions are not an element of racketeering or trafficking. He had no means or opportunity to sell or buy drugs, he contributed to a computer program. What happens when these programs become independent of human intervention? Silk Road was an interface, not an operation or business. Ross Ulbricht is not the Dread Pirate Roberts. The DRP is a cartoon character in a childrens story.

This case is an example of how technology outstrips the human capacity to grasp ideas. Saying he ran a drug business is like saying I work for Uber or Lyft. Uber and Lyft are phone apps, not companies (I know there are also companies by those name)

I saw a youtube video where a cop in Pittsburgh asked a driver , "are you a taxi?" I felt like saying "No officer, I'm an 18 wheeler but tomorrow I'll be a chair"

Confusing people with things is endemic.

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[–]roz77 16ポイント17ポイント  (13子コメント)

Solid legal analysis. You've convinced me.

[–]jpe77 30ポイント31ポイント  (3子コメント)

This almost makes me wish we could have some sort of testing requirement for voting.

[–]blackbird17k 10ポイント11ポイント  (8子コメント)

What's scary isn't that you don't know how the law works. After all, plenty of people don't know how the law works.

But it seems you entirely don't know how technology works or how computers work, or how apps and websites work. Uber and Lyft are phone apps, yes, but they are produced and owned by corporations. Uber and Lyft are responsible in part, for how those apps are used.

If Uber/Lyft decided that it would market the app exclusively so that gang members could use the service to hire getaway drivers after murdering people, you bet that Uber/Lyft would be facing some criminal sanctions. Though it's dicier when it's a corporation, you could easily see a "classic" RICO-infiltration case against them.

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[–]shroomigator 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

So you're saying that the 17.5 million dollars in bitcoin that was on his computer was not a commission he charged for each and every purchase on the site? Because I'm pretty sure he was involved in every transaction by charging a commission...

[–]YallAreElliotRodger 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Are you a freeman on the land or a libertarian or something?

[–]egidioagricola[S] -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

im not an astronaut but I play one on TV

[–]YallAreElliotRodger 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

can i ride in your space car

[–]MRB2012 3ポイント4ポイント  (26子コメント)

Ross Ulbricht is Innocent. All he did was program computers. By submitting this text post, I have programmed a computer.

True, and your programming of a computer was not intended to facilitate illegal acts.

Ross Ulbricht was convicted for being a political dissident in the drug war

Nope. You're allowed to oppose the war on drugs, and millions of Americans do.

Ross Ulbricht is not the Dread Pirate Roberts.

According to his own diary, he was in fact the Dread Pirate Roberts. It turns out one should not diary one's illegaal acts.

Saying he ran a drug business is like saying I work for Uber or Lyft. Uber and Lyft are phone apps, not companies (I know there are also companies by those name)

So you can work for those companies, and many people do. Good to know.

[–]egidioagricola[S] -4ポイント-3ポイント  (25子コメント)

If I oppose the drug war the way poor Ross did I'm going to be seperated from those millions of Americans by a federal fortress.

According to my diary I'm Darth Vader. Is that illegal?

[–]MRB2012 3ポイント4ポイント  (24子コメント)

If I oppose the drug war the way poor Ross did I'm going to be seperated from those millions of Americans by a federal fortress.

Wrong. There aren't that many people in the federal prisons.

According to my diary I'm Darth Vader.

If by "Darth Vader" you mean "the crime lord calling himself Darth Vader who hired hitmen to kill six people" you'd be screwed.

[–]atomicthumbs 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Darth Vader only hired hitmen for one person, and Vader wanted him alive. Ulbricht is worse than Vader.

[–]egidioagricola[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

who do you think would win in a fight, Homer Simpson or Family Guy

[–]atomicthumbs 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Family Guy, he's not as nice a person as Homar

[–]egidioagricola[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (20子コメント)

Crime lord? For programming a computer? Did the program kill somebody, make their car run off the road? He was convicted of running a drug empire consisting of people and drugs he never met and couldn't identify. And wrote in a diary.

[–]MRB2012 3ポイント4ポイント  (18子コメント)

Crime lord? For programming a computer?

Running a market for illegal goods.

Did the program kill somebody,

He tried to have six people killed.

He was convicted of running a drug empire consisting of people and drugs he never met and couldn't identify.

Most drug lords don't know the dudes at the bottom of the organization. That does not excuse them.

And wrote in a diary.

He wrote about committing crimes in a diary.

[–]egidioagricola[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (8子コメント)

Ah there you're mistaken because he didn't run anything. He programed a computer that let people communicate somehow. That's not exactly Scarface. I'm not sure the drafters of the RICO act quite had him in mind.

Drugs are not illegal per se. Certain drug activities are illegal.

[–]MRB2012 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

Ah there you're mistaken because he didn't run anything.

His diary says otherwise.

He programed a computer that let people communicate somehow.

That "somehow" being "to do illegal stuff."

I'm not sure the drafters of the RICO act quite had him in mind.

He's a drug lord.

[–]egidioagricola[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (6子コメント)

My diary says im very important . Sometimes I leave a pen and paper out where just anybody can leave messages even drug dealers. It's on a community bulletin board and you need a secret decoder ring only available in Kellogs brand cereal to read it. Btw I'm in Tahiti running around naked most of the time but when the paper gets worn out I put a new shhet up. Can you guess my occupation?

Im a drug lord, when I'm not too busy being a REAL PIRATE, just like in the movies!

[–]MRB2012 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

My diary says im very important . Sometimes I leave a pen and paper out where just anybody can leave messages even drug dealers.

Ulbricht didn't do this. If he did, he would have been able to raise that as a defense.

[–]egidioagricola[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (4子コメント)

No defense for the Dread Terrorist Ross Ulbricht, he had a lawyer!

[–]egidioagricola[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (8子コメント)

entrapment

[–]MRB2012 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

I'm guessing you don't know what that is.

[–]egidioagricola[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (6子コメント)

inducing someone to commit a crime they wouldn't have otherwise committed. It's not being coerced by violence, as you suggested.

[–]MRB2012 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

inducing someone to commit a crime they wouldn't have otherwise committed.

They didn't do that.

[–]SatoshiNakamura 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Crime lord? For programming a computer? Did the program kill somebody, make their car run off the road? He was convicted of running a drug empire consisting of people and drugs he never met and couldn't identify. And wrote in a diary.

And that's a white collar drug ring. He deserves to rot in prison as much as the people he emulated.

[–]GeorgeForemanGrillz 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

You're a moron. He made money from administering the site to make sure that the sellers and buyers play fairly. To say he wasn't involved and therefore innocent is just plain stupidity.

[–]egidioagricola[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you think bitcoin is money, you're the moron. Bitcoin is an idea. If there's any money, he BOUGHT IT ASSHOLE. That's how you get bitcoin right? How does administering a website equal running every users business? Does Ebay run the business that use their site? Is it even any business at all when private buyers and sellers who are both objectively interchangeable use Ebay? I can sell you a car am I a car dealer? I make bread am I a pastry manufacturer? I spend heroin on the purchase of worthless buttcoin securities and now I'm an illegal pharmacist business? Do I look like Rite Aid or Walgreens you dimwit?

[–]iDinduMuffin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

>2000+10+5

>being this retarded

ISHYGDDT

[–]kd0ocr -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is the FBI. Now that you've admitted to a crime as bad as Ross Ulbricht, we need to arrest you and send you to prison.

Just pick up the phone, dial 911, and say that you're /u/egidioagricola from reddit. They'll know which prison to send you to.

[–]egidioagricola[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Out damn spot

What if I'm really Kermit the Frog? He plays a mean banjo