8,000 Chinese students were expelled from US universities last year, mostly for cheating and bad grades

hobnobbinbobthegob · 10時間前

Because this kind of shitty article doesn't actually give the number, there were an estimated 274,439 Chinese students in the US over the last academic year.

This puts the expulsion rate at roughly 3% among Chinese students.

^{*Edit: it should be noted that I personally don't know, and can't figure out if this is high or low. I'm just pointing out the poor use of statistics in this article... and frankly... in most articles.}

nyrangerfan1 · 10時間前

Well, it's not as simple as Chinese students failing. I think the bigger problem is that students are accepted into programs, without the proper language credentials (even though these credentials can be fudged). I've graded a number of papers where you can see there was a struggle to translate ideas from English to Chinese, comprehend them, and then translate them back to English. I think it's a disservice to students to accept them for their money and then provide limited support when it comes to issues like language immersion and cultural support. It's not that the students are necessarily bad, they're just put in a very bad situation to start off with.

willwhit87 · 11時間前

I saw this at my university as well. Lots of foreign students sat in the same area and copied each others tests. They all got busted in my engineering class when one passed their test around the class and they all copied it to the T. They all messed up on one part and ended up failing the course. I took my 65 on the test and ended up passing the class. Statics was a bitch but ya boy got integrity.

Edit: Holy shit this blew up. I know Statics wasn't the hardest class but it was a wake up call for what was to come, I graduated with my BSME 3 years ago and working a great job (not designing bridges).

thisishorsepoop · 11時間前

How many non-Chinese students were expelled in that same timeframe?

dethb0y · 10時間前

Pretty meaningless without more information.

That said if there really are 459,800 chinese students ( as the article mentions) then 8000 represents only 1.7% of them.

Without knowing how many non-chinese students there are and how many got expelled, it would be very difficult to say if this is more or less than average.

ThirdEyedea · 10時間前

There's a huge difference between Chinese-Americans born or having immigrated to the U.S. at a young age vs. international wealthy Chinese students.

The former group still make top marks in academia.

BadLuckFuck · 9時間前

I used to write papers for others students in college and later on as a private business. I made a killing off of it. My most common customers were:

1) Chinese

2) Saudis

3) Indians

The most absurd part? They were telling me I was doing too good of a job and to dumb it down.

imperialhubris · 10時間前

I studied abroad in China and went to a Chinese university with local students. There isn't really a concept of cheating or plagiarism there. Their education focuses so much on rote memorization and regurgitation that no one sees the harm in plagiarizing an entire essay. Chinese culture focuses on emulating the masters whereas Western culture tends to focus on individuality and ingenuity. By the way, I went to the best university in China and this was still true.

If US and European universities want Chinese students (and their $$) then they need to give them a long, in-depth seminar (or at least make them write an essay for admission) about what qualifies as cheating and plagiarism in a Western context. Instead, they let them in for the cash knowing that they aren't qualified or knowledgable enough to survive.

Swiftblue · 10時間前

In one of my computer science classes, about a week after our first assignment was turned in, the professor called out the names of about ten students to see him after class. Apparently, the students didn't understand what plagiarism was, that you can't all turn in the same code.

This was far enough into the CS course load that we'd all had signed the Academic Honesty policy for the CS program several semesters prior, the one that states passing off some ones work as your own gets you an instant zero in the course and a second time gets you banned from the program.

These students were Chinese. They didn't get instant zeros, and it quietly became understood that your code would end up in the rest of that groups projects if you had to partner with them.

It always pissed me off, because apparently this wasn't uncommon, it was just the most blatant event. Had I done anything like this my ass would be grass. And this was a fairly well established and competitive CS program.

I just assume it was a university level thing and not the choice of the professors. As far as I can tell, international students drop a lot of cash each semester on tuition. It probably has nothing to do with race and everything to do with money. Maybe I am just being cynical?

I_AM_CANADIAN_AMA · 10時間前

Went to Purdue University. Teacher caught 5 foreign Chinese students cheating and refused to fail them / give them a bad grade. Turns out, the TA who was supervising the test refused to do anything about it because she was friends with some of them. Instead the whole group of us had to retake the whole test again. Purdue dropped so far in my books because of that BS.

ivsciguy · 11時間前

Had a Chinese student at my university fail out. When he found out he went crazy and started running around throwing powdered sugar at people and screaming "Anthrax!" I wonder if he is still in prison, or if he was already sent back to China?

VanDaam · 10時間前

...How do I reeach these keeds?

I_divided_by_0- · 10時間前

And those are the ones who got caught.

what_a_cat_astrophe · 9時間前

I work in the instruction office and have the honor of dealing with all the student complaints, about 90% of which are related to failing classes.

One girl from China last year had copied their neighbor word for word on their chemistry final, although the instructor had specifically passed out two different versions of the test for this reason. That said, it was so blatantly obvious she had copied because her answers didn't even make sense, yet she still tried to dispute it.

I mean jeez.. At least try.

jester92800 · 9時間前

As an admissions professional, I can say that a not insignificant amount of effort goes into sussing out which applicants come from the 'mills' in china-- there are companies that will basically apply for you en masse under a couple of different names to increase your odds of getting in somewhere in the states (most dont care where they go in these situations). The student you actually get when they come to campus is often nothing like what you thought you had admitted/enrolled when one slips through the cracks, so we put a lot of work into making sure we don't get had.

mutatron · 7時間前

Chinese students care most about the reputation of the school, trying hard to get into the top universities.

So top universities can take their money for a year or two, charging non-resident rates, and then expel them and not take a hit to their reputation. Sounds like a plan!

oldSoul12345 · 11時間前

Cheating is endemic in both China and India,two biggest sources of US students. It's good to see someone doing something about it.

Moooogle · 10時間前

I'll call it out like it is. At University of North Texas they have a program called TAMS for younger advanced kids. They take basic Math/Engineering classes with all of us. Anyways the cheating there is so bad that all their homework is the exact same. Also they copying homework from each other before class.

The professors have to give TAMS tutors the exam as part of the program and therefore the tutors show the kids the exam. The TAMS kids all get the same grade on the exam. They also cheat during the test so you will hear the professors tell them to be quiet. No professors care at all, and if you confront administration about it they threaten expulsion for questioning their beloved TAMS program.

The reason I know about the tests is because I befriended some of them and they showed me the exact upcoming test questions. Its a horrible program and makes normal hardworking college students hate them.

Note this is only about 70% of the program, the rest are freaking brilliant kids that belong here.

Edit: its not mostly Foreign students.

toomuchkalesalad · 7時間前

I went to a high school which was 45% Chinese. Everybody cheated. The valedictorian gave up her status a few years after everyone graduated and sold her story to the local newspaper.

My non-Asian classmates assumed that I was a math smart Chinese as well and copied my tests, only to fail with me. Suckas!

robohymn · 9時間前

I spent some time as a TA in grad school, marking essays for two English professors. It got to a point when marking essays by Chinese (and, actually, Korean) students where I was almost afraid to use a plagiarism checker on their essays, not because I was afraid of busting them, but because it was too dispiriting to watch the university LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT. And when I say "plagiarism," I mean examples as extreme as literally cut-n-pasting sections from Wikipedia articles into their essays without attribution, ripping off entire sections of books word for word, using essays they found online, very blatant, unmistakable academic crimes for which most of them never faced any consequence. I tried my best to get a few of the worst busted, to no avail. Note, this was a Canadian university, not US, and Canadians... well, we're a very "polite", very "nice" lot, and our Chinese visitors don't seem to mind taking every possible advantage of it, and many of us, apparently, are perfectly happy to let them... as long as they keep paying that massively inflated international student tuition. Also note, the university didn't hesitate to bust native-born students for the same, often lesser, infractions. And this was one of the top-rated undergrad schools in the country.

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