► WTF Is... - Hatred ? [strong language]

Comafly · 6時間前

All I see is an awesome isometric engine and destruction system being utilized for a really mediocre game.

volborg · 7時間前

This was what all the fuss was about.. kinda silly tbh. i think that Mortal kombat is way more brutal then this game..

jikijiki · 4時間前

Imagine the potential this style of gameplay + the physics could have:

You could do a tactical, squad based game like XCOM
Horror game, think Alien Isolation

crookedparadigm · 4時間前

Gotta hand it to the devs. They perfectly hit their target of taking a relatively mediocre game and generating tons of attention and sales by doing just enough to whip the right people into a media frenzy are now comfortably riding that publicity wave.

Xet · 6時間前

I'm surprised at the lack of gore. There's not a hint of dismemberment outside of the occasional stomping of the head in executions. The blood effects are also honestly underdone.

I feel like they could've gone much further with the violence aspect.

Beckneard · 6時間前

I was thinking of buying it but honestly it looks pretty lame. The combat looks really uninteresting and it seems like every death animation is almost the same. Considering all the fuss I was expecting at least something flashier. This game is gonna get sales based on notoriety alone.

oozekip · 6時間前

So basically, if you want a great top-down, ultra-violent game with a striking aesthetic, then... Well, Hotline Miami is still the way to go, isn't it?

Here's a quick list off the top of my head of better games that do this level (or more) ultra-violenvce than Hatred: Postal 1&2, Hotline Miami 1&2, Manhunt 1&2, Mortal Kombat, GTA, heck, the content here isn't even that much more ~~gorey~~ violent than Payday.

It's not a "bad" game, it looks utterly mediocre, but if you want ultra-violence, there's much better games to get that fix in.

Edit: as /u/Weretoad pointed out, there's very little actual gore in Payday despite it being very violent.

crash__bandicoot · 5時間前

I will say, the gameplay looks boring but the graphics are great. I think it looks very pretty...or dark...or ominous...whatever descriptive word works. I think they did a good job making it look really good, and I'd be excited to see if they use this setup for future titles that provide better gameplay.

angelsdontburn · 4時間前

The fuss is being created by those that I assume weren't old enough to remember Postal or just weren't aware. This game is literally a Postal successor. When I say Postal, I'm specifically referring to the first game which was the darkest of the trilogy. Sure, Hatred is more graphically advanced, but that's really it, it's not really bringing much else to the table. When comparing the two I actually feel like Postal was worse considering you had the ability to commit suicide anytime you wanted, which I don't think you're able to do in Hatred. Regardless, it all boils down to the whole "if you don't like it, don't play it" mentality. It's a video game, if you have a hard time accepting that you should probably get help.

rindindin · 7時間前

The game looks playable but fairly mediocre. What was all the big hubbub about? GTA and Saints Row had the player run around smacking people with dildos.

What was the controversy here?

SamuelEnderby · 6時間前

I'm surprised it's isometric. The black and white with color highlights looks pretty cool but I feel like it could have been taken farther. E.g. blood has color but it's this dark modern movie blood. Works ok when it's on the screen but in-world, on the ground, it barely stands out. Maybe should have gone with brighter 70s movie ketchup blood instead.

Color seems to be associated with mayhem (explosions, blood, police lights), presumably because it's the only thing Hatred-guy enjoys at this point. So maybe also have the whole world gradually gain color as you rack up some kind of combo meter to show Hatred-guy is having a good time? Might motivate players a little because so far there seems to be not enough of a point to do anything in this game. Little challenge, mediocre gameplay, no humor, nothing... Which brings me to my next point:

I get that they're riding the "there is no context to the violence" wave but it just makes the game uninteresting to me. I get that it can be seen as a statement but that's only interesting to look at for like five minutes. Dude goes out, starts killing. So there is that. Now what? The point's been made. What changes if I kill 5000 instead of just 50?

On the other hand, the game already provides too much context! Hatred-guy clearly states his mission, i.e. to die and to take as many people with him as he can. That's not "no context, lol" or "holding a mirror up to the player" in the way that you could say that if a player chooses to go on a murderous rampage it's his own idea. There IS context, there IS a reason to kill: Hatred-guy explicitly states it - it's just that the reason here is a despicable one.

So much for the narrative. But even in game-play there is too much contextualizing happening with these mini-missions like Cleanse the Police Department. Presumably, a player who's having fun killing things would do that automatically. Why make this a mini-mission if the entire point of the game seems to be that there is no context other than wanting to murder?

It's like the game goes too far with its point and sacrifices being interesting as a game you'd want to play, as opposed to a game that just exists. But simultaneously it doesn't go quite far enough with it to be artistically "pure".

And re: the buzz surrounding this: People should have just let this fizzle. It doesn't seem worth the outrage at all.

SpikeRosered · 6時間前

The only thing this game could have done to make it actually offensive and horrible is if it really focused on the murders and we got to know the victims before they were murdered and saw that they were innocent people.

From what I see it's just an arcade shooter. The people may as well be zombies.

forzion_no_mouse · 4時間前

It's a $20 game that is what it claims it is. Everyone talking about let down but that's because everyone freaked out saying it's gonna be murder simulator 8000 and trying to ban it.

If this was a zombie killer game nobody would have given it a second look but because it's a rampage shooter it got tons of free publicity.

iNarr · 6時間前

Gotta be honest, the worst part about this game Is the constant bickering that surrounds it. Whether it's people saying that Hatred will incite mass shootings, or the opposite camp pretending like it's "basically just a bunny farming simulator," the game just seems to draw the hyperbole out of people.

At best, this game could have used its so-called "edginess" to spark meaningful discussions about how we perceive violence in today's society. But instead we're left with people shouting these hyperbolic opinions as loudly as they can.

Forss · 5時間前

I actually thought it looked pretty fun with all the destruction and whatnot. It looked like the cops used tactics and coordinated their attacks and taking cover seemed to be a viable tactic.

Playing on a higher difficulty, taking advantage of cover and planning your escape routes could make it more interesting than I think TB gives it credit for. The levels do seem way too long for such a savepoint system. Should be a permanent save for completing an objective.

lobehold · 5時間前

This game is the same as something like the Goat Simulator - sell a game mostly on a ridiculous premise to generate buzz and sales.

The media took the bait not because they don't understand it is a bait, but because it brings viewership/pageviews, bait or not.

Simple really.

AgeMarkus · 5時間前

Turns out it's a mediocre game with a very effective viral marketing campaign that pandered to the anti-PC crowd. Who could have seen this coming?

gyrferret · 5時間前

Gore, blood, and violence are not what caused this game to be the butt of controversy; it's the main theme of the game.

It is still considered voyeuristic and uncommon territory to exact willful harm on the innocent population for the sake of the game. While on could argue that games like Grand Theft Auto and Saints Row allow you to enact acts of brutality on "innocents", that is not the main focus of the game. It is presented as an option, but the game moves on independent of your completion of that.

Anyway, what I would argue is that killing in those games is presented in a humorous context rather than for the sake of killing. In games like Saint's Row, you kill for the humor of how the weapons you are using work; In Postal you kill for a lot of the same reasons.

But Hatred seems to be going for killing for the sake of killing. That's what makes this game different in my head.

Full disclosure, I am not the biggest fan of Total Biscuit, so this is my argument to why other mediums are allowed to get away with this type of thing: because other mediums do not allow for the immersion that games present. In film, books, audio, you are on a linear path, and the decisions that are made are not in your control. Ultimately, the author, director, etc. is responsible for pulling the trigger on that gun, you are not.

This game immediately reminded me of the film Rampage, which wasn't the best movie ever, but was about a guy shooting up a town spoiler. You were along for the ride if you chose to be, and you were not ultimately responsible for whether the main character killed civilians or not. That's not the case with games. The locus of control is entirely on the player, which is why I think that games are held to a "higher standard".

But in another way, I do agree that games shouldn't "evolve" past a certain top. As I said above, there is something incredibly voyeuristic and taboo about running around shooting at the population at large. Whether we like it or not, we are always going to be curious about things that are "off limits" in society. That's where hatred comes in, and that's why it exists. This game exists to provide a visceral look at a reality that 99.999% of the population will never experience.

Very_Juicy · 3時間前

The AI looks really uninteresting, almost unresponsive.

Turns out the game was overhyped controversybait. Who could've guessed.

Aj_The_Wanderer · 4時間前

When TB opened fire on that crowd, I was expecting Hotline Miami levels of gore and violence, and GTA levels at the very least. And at the risk of sounding like a sociopath....

The game looks boring, the '2edgy4u' aesthetic is only in the dialogue, gore as been downgraded, the blood just blends in so killing anyone isn't satisfying, and the whole game looks like it did its marketing shit so people would actually buy the game expecting the worst violence you could ever see... except the got the worst violence because there's barely anything in it.

And those side-objectives is just about killing more people, I mean isn't that the main goal already? I know Hatreddude likes "Hurting other people", but come fucking on you couldn't have the sideobjectives tie into helping you kill more people? Instead of just "killing everyone in the hospital" maybe going there to get morphine to keep the rampage up would've been smarter, you'd still be killing loads of people, and its an objective other then doing the thing you'd be doing.

Honestly I thought this game would've taken place on one large map, you leave his house, start your rampage, and from that moment on you survive for as long as possible (Akin to: Smash TV or CoD Zombies) with the police getting more and more aggressive and desperate to stop you; eventually calling in the military, and then ramping-up the lunacy to having other nation's military's or the UN getting called in. All the while the map gets more destroyed, bodies stacking up in the streets, chaos ensuing like our "Edgetagonist" would probably love. That and it'd make sense given what its inspired by (Sandbox Rampages); but instead we got a boring twin-stick shooter that shockingly decided to play it safe.

But as it turns out that me and plenty of others were right, the whole of the trailers, the marketing material, the devs "backstories", etc... were all to hype up what would be a mediocre game.

UristMasterRace · 4時間前

What's that? A game created solely to feed off of over-inflated controversy turns out to be mediocre and more worthy of dismissal than controversy? Color me shocked.

victorXvictory · 6時間前

Destructive Creations aware that noone will care about them or this game without their successful marketing.

I won't even be surprised if they actually paid people to condemn this game and write articles about how violent this game is. It has been done before with other games and it works very well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWlrJq8yi2w

Watch this video if you want more similar examples.

Well played Destructive Creation. I'm not even mad.

6時間前

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ddrober2003 · 4時間前

Eh, I would never get the game for $60 but $20? Maybe, looks like a good way to kill time. That respawn crap is dumb but if that was on easy, it might be kind of a challenge.

Nadril · 21分前

What a surprise, a mediocre top-down shooter that people should've stopped caring about months ago.

Who could have ever seen this coming?

Quite honestly the idea of exploring hyper-violence through the lens of an obviously horrible person isn't new, and it just so happens that Hotline Miami did it way fucking better.

This just seems dumb and bland. It's attempts at 'shock' are pretty poor, and it comes across as a juvenile attempt at making something 'shocking' and not having it come across as shocking or interesting.

I mean, if it was just shitty shock violence that would be one thing -- but it's shitty bland violence. It's worse.

AlexHD · 5時間前

It you reskinned the civilians as zombies you might as well be playing Dead Nation.

The outrage industry is going to have a lot of egg on their faces when they see how tame this game is next to Mortal Kombat or even GTAV (which features a torture scene).

Endyo · 6時間前

Surprisingly, TB has a pretty similar view in this video as the response I had yesterday to seeing the 20 minutes of gameplay:

Well if nothing else it looks fairly nice, though I think the black and white aesthetic helps that in that textures don't have to be all that great, however the effects and lighting are all good. The guy playing and talking is super annoying though. We get that you have to express your reaction to the violence but repeating it over and over for 20 minutes isn't really a great plan. Still, there's nothing special here. It's an isometric shooter where you shoot things. That's the only objective. You're given quests to shoot things. You pick up things that shoot. It's really banking on shock value to be appealing outside of everything else, that's still pretty apparent. It is a game and clearly the developer took some effort to ensure it's playable (I'd venture to say the control issues were player-based), but it looks like something that would lose its luster in the first hour... It's good to see that all of this ridiculous and pointless media coverage over an AO rated indie game is at least about something that is actually a game and not some glorified 'art piece' like the majority of controversial "games." It just looks like a shined up bargain bin indie game though that normally you'd see bundled with half a dozen others of the same general quality.

So little separates this game from any other game where you're shooting hordes of things from an isometric perspective that really the only thing that's worth noting is how thoroughly the media is covering it. This developer probably loves it though. He'll make more from media freaking out (imagine if CNN or someone picks this up) than he would have ever made if it was the same exact game but the enemies were zombies or monsters. In fact, if this was a game about shooting literally anything but normal everyday humans, we'd never even know it existed.

MrDeadToast · 4時間前

I just don't understand how this (allegedly) secured an AO rating. Is there something the ESRB has seen that no-one else has yet? Or is this just coddling?

Extradaemon · 5時間前

Kind of weird how TB spends a lot of the video ranting about games press like it's a single entity and he isn't part of it.

Robert237 · 5時間前

What kind of PC will this need? Can't be too demanding right? I want to play this and don't think that it will be a PS4/XO title anytime soon

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