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Tajik Spec Ops commander joins IS (thediplomat.com)

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[–]ShootAK12 13ポイント14ポイント  (35子コメント)

Real danger is the level of training he will bring to IS, Whatever AQ was and is ,it never attracted so many nutjobs from different part of the world.

[–]Grisepik 3ポイント4ポイント  (34子コメント)

Your comment for some reason made me think of WW2 and the Waffen SS, since it also attracted many non-germans, who wanted to conquer the world or see it burned down, for the cause of Hitler and the nazi-ideology.

[–]ShootAK12 7ポイント8ポイント  (32子コメント)

never knew SS had that many foreign supporters. You know something new on reddit everyday.

[–]kolal2 10ポイント11ポイント  (15子コメント)

They had lots of muslim volunteers,as nazism and islamic leaders understood each other well, especially on the 'kill the jews' front.

Here is the Palestinian leader and Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Amin el Husseini greeting muslim SS troops.

Muslim SS praying

Flag of one of the muslim SS divisions

el Husseini meeting old friends

[–]SwizDeDx 4ポイント5ポイント  (12子コメント)

Husseini also had a meeting with Hitler. The meeting was photographed and you can see it on Islamophobe Pam Geller's website. Hitler was apparently so impressed by the Palestinian that he had his doctors examine him for signs of "Aryan-ness". The doctors confirmed Hitler's views.

[–]kolal2 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

Husseini also had a meeting with Hitler.

Check the last pic. ;)

Btw, Hitler himself was very impressed with Islam, which he considered a violent, ergo virtuous in his eyes, religion. He disliked christianity because he perceived its emphasis on peace and compassion as weak.

To quote:

"The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?

Had Charles Martel not been victorious at Poitiers [...] then we should in all probability have been converted to Mohammedanism, that cult which glorifies the heroism and which opens up the seventh Heaven to the bold warrior alone. Then the Germanic races would have conquered the world."

[–]SwizDeDx 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sorry, my bad. I didn't know that the final sentence was split up.

[–]kapsamaSyria [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

he perceived its emphasis on peace and compassion as weak.

Yeah that peaceful Christian religion. So many continents beg to differ.

[–]kolal2 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Well there is a difference between what christians do and what christianity teaches. I think if one reads the new testament (i'm not a christian myself) one definitely sees that violence is a big no no. 'turn the other cheek' and on.

None of the slaving, raping and massacring of the Quran. Or the old testament for that matter.Although the Quran is still far more brutal than the old testament. (taking sex slaves is very discouraged and complicated in the OT, very easy in the Quran for example.).

[–]kapsamaSyria [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Well there is a difference between what christians do and what christianity teaches.

Replace Christianity with "New Testament". Plenty of other parts of Christianity spent centuries not teaching "peace and compassion".

[–]twezbaba -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

Its funny Palestinians are the descendants of Jews. Also real Aryans are from India.

[–]Hell_LibertineNeutral 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Palestinians are the descendants of Jews.

Um, wha? "Palestinians" usually refers to Arabs from the Palestine region - some of whom could be (and are) Jews, but they're not "descendents of Jews" per se.

Also real Aryans are from India.

The concept of an "Aryan Race" the Nazis used is not a real ethnicity. There are no "Aryans", it's just an old, obsolete term for a particular Indo-Iranic ethno-linguistic group that the Nazis used ideologically.

[–]sloft__ [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Um, wha? "Palestinians" usually refers to Arabs from the Palestine region - some of whom could be (and are) Jews, but they're not "descendents of Jews" per se.

I'm sure he's referring to the time before Islam when this area was populated by the 12 tribes of Israel.

[–]Hell_LibertineNeutral [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

That was so long ago that so many different peoples settled then displaced there that it's difficult to say if they descended from the Israelites.

[–]sloft__ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

They are Semitic peoples just like the early Jews. Of course they have a lot of Mediterranean, Asian, etc influence because of the geographical location, but generally there's has been no mass migration or annihilation to where they would no longer have those ancestral Semitic ties. What do you think those newly converted Muslims in the 7th century were? Christians and Jews.

[–]bumblingbagel8Niue [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Palestinians are just semitic peoples like Jews are/were (whatever), they aren't descended from them, though since it was just a bunch of people in tribes living in the same region I imagine there was intermingling.

[–]ShootAK12 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you for the gold mine of history.

[–]vectorgeiger 6ポイント7ポイント  (11子コメント)

They had entire divisions from Croatia, Turkey, Romania, Lithuania, etc.

I believe they had some Indians too. Possibly Sikh, at least from what I remember from the pictures.

[–]CodenamePingu 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

They also had an arab division, whose leader was (If I remember correctly) one of the PLO founders.

[–]hmunkeyUnited Kingdom 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

A lot of Arab leaders were friendly to the Nazis for a number of reasons. For some it was because they hated the USSR and saw Germany as a strong bulwark, for others it was because a German victory meant their colonial masters would collapse, there were also historical links between Germany and the Ottomans, and of course there was the classic hatred of Jews.

But most Muslims in the SS were European and from the Balkans.

[–]SwizDeDx 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

because they hated the USSR

Which Arab country hated the USSR before WW2 ?

saw Germany as a strong bulwark

In WW1, the Kaiser had a secret plan : use the Muslim world to unleash Jihad (yes) on the British Empire. The German Empire funded a Baghdad-Berlin train network and though it wasn't fully completed on time, it did manage to pass by a little town named Kobane.

In WW2, Husseini met Hitler and there was promises on capping the Jewish emigration to Palestine. There was actually a special operation where German and Arab citizens were parachuted into Palestine to poison the water supply. Fortunately, the operation failed).

[–]FuglewarriorUSA 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was more about hating the British and the French than hating the USSR I think

[–]YK42Turkey 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Turkey

SS did not have Turkish divisions. They used the pan-Turkism card to try and gain support in Turkey (over communism) and used foreigners from Turkic places in the USSR.

[–]kapsamaSyria [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What a joke. Next these people will claim Hitler himself was Turkish.

[–]vectorgeiger 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah, thanks for the additional info.

[–]theOSINTblogNeutral 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

They had an Indian division http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Legion, that was sort of linked to the main Armed Indian Independence movement of the time which was Subhas Chandra Bose's Azad Hind group. Azad Hind was more of a Japanese proxy and nominally had control over only a few Indian Islands.

[–]MPLA4Anarchist-Communist 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bose was justified cooperating with them as Indian civilians were brutally massacred by imperial British forces for centuries while axis powers didn't affect them at all.

Just in case anyone thinks Bose is evil.

[–]blackstonebite 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

from Russia too. And Cossaks corps. give them a proper credit

[–]Grisepik 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/33rd_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS_Charlemagne_%281st_French%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5th_SS_Panzer_Division_Wiking

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Free_Corps

And there were many more special SS divisions for foreigners, like the ones vectorgeigers mentioned.

Edit: here is a good overview of them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffen-SS_foreign_volunteers_and_conscripts

[–]ShootAK12 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

thanks for all the info.

[–]walkerbulldog1 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

that was part of the reason the SS fought so hard. If they lost they couldnt return home it was victory or death for many ss units

[–]MPLA4Anarchist-Communist -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, Tajikistan has 7.5 million people (inclusive of all ethnic groups).

Afghanistan has 8 million Tajiks alone.

Afghanistan(31mn)

Afghan Tajiks(8mn)

Tajiks in Tajikistan (7.5mn).

[–]Shadow-SeekerPeru 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Basically every group that joined the Axis had something to gain from it. The Grand mufti of jerusalem helped recruit muslims for Hitler's croatian ss divisions in exchange for Hitler stopping jewish immigration to the holy land.

Cossack divisions from Russia joined in order to seek freedom, so did various Ukrainian partisan groups.

[–]MPLA4Anarchist-Communist 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

Civil war in Tajikistan (1992-97) has parallels to Syria.

-> Secular government, supported by people from a particular community (Leninabad, Kulyab)

-> Moderate democrats siding with islamists to overthrow the government

-> External support to the rebels: Jamiat-i-Islami of Afghanistan, al-Qaeda, Taliban

-> External support to govt: Russia (Yeltsin), Uzbekistan (Islam)

-> Sectarian violence (Pamiris and Garmis ethnically cleansed in Gorno-Badakhshan)

Tajik civil war ended with a UN peace treaty, so the islamists are still there, waiting to pounce at the opportunity of instability.

[–]Shadow-SeekerPeru 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Exactly, I've brought this war and Algeria up too in other threads. The main difference though imo is the sheer amount of foreign influence

[–]MPLA4Anarchist-Communist 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh Algeria.

Islamist rebels were brutally massacring villagers who were reluctant to actively fight the regime, with mothers being raped and having their throats slit and babies being thrown on the ground and having their heads crushed, sometimes in front of their mothers.

Still, more people have died in Syria in 4 years than during the entire 11 years of civil war in Algeria.

[–]ofarrizzleUnited States of America 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Algeria's war seems closer to the mass violence of Iraq (2003-10), Liberia or Sierra Leone than it does to Syria. It was way more disorganized, all sides targeted civilians to a much greater degree and areas of control were loosely defined when compared to Syria's war, which has largely become a conventional conflict. Still, I think the outcome is probably what Assad hopes for, slowly whittling down the rebels through defeat and amnesty, until only a relatively low-level insurgency remains.

[–]zandaqAnti Assad 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

He was commanding OMON that is roughly analogous to SWAT in US: it's a police force mainly used to take on armed criminals. While his expertise can be put in good use, I would say that his case has more of a propaganda value for ISIS than a military one.

What does it say about a country when even it's high ranking police officers accuse it in corruption and leave it for a death cult? Especially for the one so poor and truly corrupt. In the video he makes it quite clear, he asks he former colleagues to ask themselves why are they serving their government and if they're really ready to die for it (for Tajikistan). Even if his colleagues don't fall for it, it will sure increase the number of Tajik recruits for ISIS, which already has quite a lot of them.

[–]Pointwest418United States of America 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even that amount of training would benefit the IS units he commands/trains

[–]PismakronGibraltar [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Abandoning his country and eight kids to murder, rape and enslave. What a loser.

[–]rangestormer82 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

He shot a tomato?

[–]MesmerizingMeNorway [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

HAHA, he was apparently arrested in Turkey a few days ago, and than they fucking released him. My god.