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Why is attacking trade unions one of the Government’s top priorities? (labourlist.org)

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[–]sovereignindividuallikes cuts, likes austerity [スコア非表示]  (20子コメント)

The tories are doing no such thing. They are just ensuring that strikes are legitimate.

Unions deserve a good kicking though. They are relics of the past, and nothing more than a pernicious stalinist cancer.

There is a reason the head of a union styles him/herself as "General Secretary". It's the title that Stalin used when he was in power.

If you don't like your job, find another one and leave.

[–]2times21 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Bless, I love people complaining about unions. It always makes me think of the scene from Life of Brian, were they ask what have the Romans ever done for us.

Nearly all the right that workers have came about because of the union movement. We have weekend's, bank holidays and statutory annual leave because of them. They also help works have a voice and stop business just steamrolling over them.

[–]Manic_MinerDistributist [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

We have weekend's, bank holidays and statutory annual leave because of them.

We can only thank unions for one of those things. Bank holidays were around long before the labour movement and the concept of weekends have their origins in the Sabbath.

[–]AlwaysALighthouse [スコア非表示]  (15子コメント)

If you don't like your job, find another one and leave.

Because everybody is in a position to do this, and that approach has solved so many labour disputes in history.

[–]Projectmayhem666UKIP Defence Force [スコア非表示]  (12子コメント)

People in a union aren't in this position, and why? Because they over inflated their own wages. They will never be paid that any where else and it's their own fault, they took away their own ability to be a competitive resource by singling themselves to one company.

[–]AlwaysALighthouse [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

No. You have fundamentally misunderstood my comment.

I am saying that not everybody has the flexibility to change their job to improve their conditions or pay.

[–]Projectmayhem666UKIP Defence Force [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Yes they do, why wouldn't they?

[–]AlwaysALighthouse [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Skills, experience, training, dependants, bills, debt, expenses, mortgages, contracts, schools, health, the availability of jobs,l and the state of the economy are all barriers to changing a job. Some of those might be within your control, some you might be able to work at in time (though that doesn't really help your immediate situation), and others won't be at all.

[–]Projectmayhem666UKIP Defence Force [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

If you have no transferrable skills, could you even be doing a union job? Just out of interest that is.

[–]AlwaysALighthouse [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I didn't say no transferable skills, just that skill level is one of many barriers to getting a new job.

[–]Projectmayhem666UKIP Defence Force [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

But that's like your average McDonalds worker, but we're talking about unions. People in union jobs could leave if they didn't like it and get another job.

[–]AlwaysALighthouse [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

That assumes that there is a role available at their (transferable) skill level with the better conditions. My point is that this isn't always the case, and it's just one of many reasons why "get a new job" isn't as simple as you suggest.

[–]NotSoBlue_Hobbesian [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Yeah, teachers and their overinflated wages impeding their mobility through the job market...

[–]Projectmayhem666UKIP Defence Force [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Discount the public sector then, railworkers, British Airways staff.

[–]NotSoBlue_Hobbesian [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

As someone who apparently works in recruitment, you should probably inform yourself a bit better about how unions work.

[–]Projectmayhem666UKIP Defence Force [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

None of my clients are heavily unionised, why would it even be slightly relevant? Contractors can't strike anyway, and if they did they'd be finding a new job.

[–]CaptainFil [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Lol, most organisations have a General Secretary, even my student union at college had one. It's just the title for the person who deals with communication and organisation for their group.

To link it to Stalin is like saying Austrian artists are all like Hitler.

[–]UristocratTV [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I remember another tory policy, police crime commissioners.

In my county we had a 9% turn out in that election. Turnout was just as low across the entire country. Does that mean they shouldn't have gone forwards as well? Clearly it had no democratic legitimacy.