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Christians for Bernie Sanders? (self.Christianity)

Christian (Alpha & Omega)WhiteNoseSyndrome が 投稿

Hi, I'm just wondering if Bernie has much support in this crowd. I think Bernie's message clearly expresses Christ's care for the poor, the excluded, the oppressed and the sick. In case you haven't heard of the guy, you can watch his whole campaign launch speech here.

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[–]BaptistGemmabeta 8ポイント9ポイント  (13子コメント)

But then we end up arguing over whether it is ethical to mandate wealth redistribution or does Christian ethics only advocate for voluntary charity.

[–]Christian (Alpha & Omega)WhiteNoseSyndrome[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (10子コメント)

Fair enough, although we already do quite a bit of redistribution. Your tax money pays for defense contractor profits and oil company subsidies. It's really just an argument about the benefactors rather than an argument about the principles.

[–]AtheistRealHewmanBean 7ポイント8ポイント  (7子コメント)

$600 BILLION done on U.S defense spending per year. Imagine if we took even a fraction of that and put it towards a cure for a terrible disease or some else more constructive rather than destructive.

[–]Christian (Canterbury Cross)Phosaionios 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's what really gets me, there is no excuse for us not to have the best education system, the best healthcare system and the best everything in the world. The problem is the people supporting the military industrial complex really, honestly think all they have to do is think "America is the best!" and that actually makes us the best. If you point out we fell behind on our standard of living, education, 40 years ago they just put their fingers in their ears and scream "Nu uh you're stupid!"

[–]Christian (Alpha & Omega)WhiteNoseSyndrome[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

Yeah, you hear a lot about auditing the Fed but not much about auditing the Pentagon. How is it fair that our tax dollars pay for defense contractor lobbyists who lobby congress for more tax dollars to pay for more lobbyists?

I want to have the strongest military in the world, because America (F*CK YEAH), but we've already spent $4 trillion in Iraq while the infrastructure in America crumbles and people could be put to work fixing it. That's an investment, not an expenditure like nation-building in the Middle East is.

[–]Pagandolphins3 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

but we've already spent $4 trillion in Iraq while the infrastructure in America crumbles

latest example would be that latest train derailment on the east coast. I read somewhere that there was some safety equipment upgrade that should have been done, but hadn't, because Amtrak didn't have the funds.

[–]Christian (Alpha & Omega)WhiteNoseSyndrome[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yes, well, if you cut their budget every year then they will be forced to be more efficient! ...(Starve the Beast logic).

[–]Pagandolphins3 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

My favorite is the postal service. Congress keeps slashing its funding, the Postmaster General warns that the USPS literally can't operate like that, and Congress goes "nuh uh!" And passes a law forbidding USPS to cut services under any circumstances.

[–]Anglican CommunionFreddyFeelgood 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why don't they pass a law lowering the boiling point of water to save money on making coffee.

[–]Christian (Celtic Cross)Agrona [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the expanding needs of the bureaucracy.

[–]BurnedOut_ITGuy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Both are wrong. Government should provide services that are not profitable for the private sector to provide (like national defense for example). More than that is over the line.

[–]itsgoofytime69 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

My taxes, that I pay to Caesar.

[–]Episcopalian (Anglican)thesilvertongue [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I don't think Christianity advocates for either in particular. It advocates for being productive and for helping others, but it never specified what was the most efficient economic policy for doing so.

There are plenty of economists who think that their policy is the best one for everyone. I think the answers to that lie in economic theory, not in ethics.

[–]itsgoofytime69 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This. There were times when the disciples would gather wealth to redistribute and there were times that they did other things. The most efficient and effective course of action is not always obvious or regular.

[–]Quakeremuman_92 11ポイント12ポイント  (4子コメント)

Never thought I'd register Democrat, but I probably will so I can vote for him in the primary.

[–]Brotester [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm glad I live in a state with open primaries, although some people are trying to change that.

[–]Purgatorial UniversalistEddard_Karstark -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Since he'd be the weakest candidate?

[–]Quakeremuman_92 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

No, because I really like him. I'm registered Green Party now because the Dems usually aren't far enough left for me.

[–]Purgatorial UniversalistEddard_Karstark -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah.

[–]Evangelical Roman Catholicemprags 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am thinking of voting for him. The abortion issue is a big one, but Bernie is the closest I've seen to a distribuist running for president. But I also believe if economic factors were better for more people there would be less abortions.

[–]Pagandolphins3 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think I like him more than Clinton so far.

[–]dpfw 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Certainly represents my Christianity better than Frothy Mix or the unholy union of Torquemada and Ayn Rand that is the Tea Party

[–]Roman CatholicTheyShootBeesAtYou 0ポイント1ポイント  (11子コメント)

Mostly right on economic issues, mostly wrong on social issues.

I'm considering writing in Snowden. Sure, he won't be 35 in time, but why start pretending the Constitution matters now?

[–]Syro-Malabar Catholicur2l8 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Mostly right on economic issues, mostly wrong on social issues.

hashtagCatholicproblems

[–]Roman CatholicTheyShootBeesAtYou -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You get it. In America, you can vote to kill the unborn or foreigners and the poor. What I wouldn't give for a Euro-style Christian democratic party.

Until then, I'll just keep issuing protest votes for no-chance third party candidates and looking down with contempt on the two-party masses from up here on my high horse.

[–]Lutheran (WELS)Augustus24 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

I wish there were a fiscally liberal, socially conservative party. But alas, I am doomed to never agree much with either of the main parties.

[–]Christian (Alpha & Omega)WhiteNoseSyndrome[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

That's the GOP. Did you see the last budget they passed?

[–]Lutheran (WELS)Augustus24 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The modern GOP has a strong libertarian bent, and I am pretty much the opposite of a libertarian. Some establishment GOP folk may be fiscally liberal, but not really where it counts. They want to spend a shitload of money on bullets and bombs. I am for greatly expanded social services and social programs, welfare, healthcare, etc.

[–]Anglican CommunionFreddyFeelgood 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's right you know.

[–]Anglican CommunionFreddyFeelgood 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

I wish there was a socially liberal, fiscally conservative party.

[–]Lutheran (WELS)Augustus24 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

How about the Libertarians?

[–]Anglican CommunionFreddyFeelgood 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Republicans who smoke pot.

[–]BurnedOut_ITGuy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That's pretty much the definition of Libertarianism. Free pot for everyone, no taxes for anyone.

[–]Episcopalian (Anglican)Skeenip 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can relate to this wish so much. I don't feel at home in either party.

[–]Roman Catholicheatdeath [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

As a Catholic, I am bound by Church teaching to oppose socialism.

[–]Roman CatholicDohada [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

So you don't like our "socialized" road system, or police forces, or education for our children?

People couldn't care less about our taxes going towards these things, but label them as socialist and people lose their minds.

[–]Roman CatholicStari_tradicionalist [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Strange statement. Church opposes forcefull wealth redistribution. But there is nothing in Church teachings that says giving money to poor is bad. See

LABOREM EXERCENS

RERUM NOVARUM

[–]Nicene Christianfunny-original-name [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If I was still a democrat I'd probably go with Bernie, but as a libertarian he obviously wouldn't be a good fit for me.

[–]Christian (Celtic Cross)cowboys56 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

eh. he's a longshot. i would rather go serve my fellow man than talk bout em poli-tic-ans and they doin's.

[–]Southern Baptistpouponstoops [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

After Clinton's disgrace, Bush's legacy, Obama's magic trick, I'm astonished that anyone can still have faith in the presidential election process.

I have none left and reconcile this with the fact that good or bad, it's all in God's hands.

Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.

[–]Roman CatholicDohada [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm from Vermont, so I gotta support my local candidate. I'm in the process of falling away from the church though, so I don't know if I'm even Christian anymore.

My family hates him. I haven't even told them who I support just to avoid conflict.

[–]Aspiring catechumenImoffensiveontheweb [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I don't think he's anything different, a puppet like all the rest on every side. He's a union shill, but otherwise he's not terrible on economics, fairly close to distributist . On gay marriage and abortion, gun control, immigration, I don't like. I like his environment and non-interventionism.

If i were to vote, I'd consider voting for him, and that's coming from someone who registered republican.

[–]AtheistSmile_U_On_Killa_Cam 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I might just write in Waka Flocka Flame. The man, honest to God, has better conflict resolution abilities than anyone who represents us currently.

Actually, he should run as Q-Tip's VP. Hell, Tip is able to be eloquent, polite, and knowledgable through friggin' Twitter conversations.

[–]Anglican CommunionFreddyFeelgood 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Seconded.

[–]BaptistMichigan__J__Frog 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Bernie Sanders is the new Ron Paul.

[–]Christian (Alpha & Omega)WhiteNoseSyndrome[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Although he's not a racist weirdo conspiracy theorist...

[–]Quakeremuman_92 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

And he also hasn't made a cameo appearance in the film adaptation of an Ayn Rand book.

[–]Southern Baptistpouponstoops [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The racist stuff was a ghost writer just FYI. He apologized for not reviewing it decades ago..

[–]BaptistMichigan__J__Frog [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I meant in terms of Reddit politician fads.

[–]BurnedOut_ITGuy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Ron Paul isn't a racist. He is a conspiracy theorist though.

[–]Roman Catholicpuregamer55 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's not gonna get my support if I'm to be honest. While I believe in improving our healthcare system and many other goals that Sanders believes we should get done, but I believe the economic problems can be solved by other means. And don't get me started on social issues.