Anarcho Capitalism as racist

AnarchoEpictetus · 10時間前

I often see AnCap, or even libertarian, ideology labeled as "racist." For the life of me I cannot understand why.

The opponents of ancapism see it as an almost completely white movement. Any group that is majority white is racist by default.

Z3F · 10時間前

Any group that doesn't toe the SJW party line is going to be labeled as such by them. It's no surprise.

cpvazxt · 10時間前

Ancap consists of a certain set of values that the statists are desperate to keep away from black people. They don't want black people to understand how the min wage locks them out from getting their foot in the door. They don't want black people to understand that the welfare state is fucking them out of their communities and families. They don't want them to understand that the public school system is teaching their kids conformity instead of knowledge and understanding.

baggytheo · 6時間前

The state controls education, and teaches people that the state was forced to fight a war in order to end slavery, and that the end of open racial discrimination was achieved through state legislation rather than shifts in culture and ideology. People are taught to assume that if the civil war had not been waged, slavery would have continued unhindered, and if the civil rights act had not been passed, white business owners would have continued to marginalize black customers at great detriment to the black community. They are also taught that surreptitious racism is still widespread and is of exclusive blame for all disparities between groups.

When you deny the necessity of a state, their view has been molded to perceive you as someone who denies the necessity of having ended slavery or of making sure people aren't mistreated because of their race.

Solus_111 · 6時間前

A bunch of weak-minded hysterics trying to signal to their fellow worker ants that an enemy of crazed pettiness is in the vicinity.

JesusWasARed · 2時間前

It isn't anarcho-capitalism as racist, as much as anarcho-capitalism not being anti-racist. Anarchism condemns racism as an integral part of what it is. Anarcho-capitalism doesn't.

There's nothing about anarcho-capitalism that works directly to eradicate or drive racism into the ground. And while some anarcho-capitalists do argue against racism, or assert that racism would be driven away by market forces, many take the opposite position (Hoppe) and claim that an anarcho-capitalist world would actually manifest in very homogeneous, insular communities.

This sub is an example. It's full of racists, even racists who don't identify as anarcho-capitalist but are openly ethnic nationalists. The sub can do nothing to rid itself of them, because there is no inherent mechanism in anarcho-capitalism to say "that's not anarcho-capitalism" or "you can't be a racist and be an anarcho-capitalist."

EvilManichean · 7時間前

Leftists will call anything even remotely 'right-wing' racist. Of course, left-right is bad politics but i am using it here to give a simplistic example. Ancaps care about property, and even if anarcho-capitalism could help 'the oppressed' increase their position better than any other system, this is irrelevant to the leftist. The leftist cares about his own moral salvation from the point of view of what he views as good assumed a priori. There are exceptions to this, of course. But, the average leftist will be this type of person in my experience. They want to 'save the world' but end up destroying it.

thunderyak · 7時間前

no taxes = no welfare = hating the poor = hating marginalized races

SummonerofDoubt · 2時間前

If I were to guess, and some of these sentiments have already been said: 1. Most Ancaps are white 2. Ancaps oppose social engineering projects like race quotas and affirmative action. Faulty conclusion: Obviously they oppose these because they're racist.

wrothbard · 10時間前

Lefties tend to think or at least give the appearance of thinking that a capitalist economy in which you are free to keep the fruits of your own labor is one in which white males will dominate all societies. I'm not sure why they believe that, possibly because they've accepted the idea that white people are capitalist ubermensch, as our resident neo-reactionaries seem to believe.

live9free1or1die · 7時間前

He who claims you're a racist gets the benefit of the doubt that he himself is not racist. Of course you're going to get called a racist.

Speaking of which, shut up you racist libertarian!!

of_ice_and_rock · 6時間前

Racial differences in intelligence is mainstream science, not fringe.

And SJWs are going to always find any element of traditionalism—Patriarchy, Eurocentrism, Capitalism, Heterosexuality, Christianity, etc.—as racist, imperialist, and evil.

aletoledo · 10時間前

subscribe to anarcho capitalism that also harbor fringe racial beliefs

I think there is a big component of this. Since a freedom movement allows for freedom, then it obviously allows for racists to more openly present themselves. I don't think this means that there are more racists here than a statist philosophy, just that they are no longer an oppressed minority opinion.

The odd part is that a statist believes that oppressing a minority opinion is good, at least in the case of racism. They can't seem to bridge the gap in thinking that maybe other minority opinions might be getting oppressed that shouldn't be (e.g. anti-patriotism).

godshamgod12 · 10時間前

Many ancaps are antagonistic to the "ism infestation" in political discussion and any attempts to administratively toggle privileges to adjust for group-level differences. Those who aren't tend to just ignore these social justice issues. Even the latter is more than enough to count as everythingist in their book.

dissidentrhetoric · 9時間前

I think there are two sets, first one is people who just call anything racist as a way to stop thinking. The second group is people who think that any ideology that does not include free stuff for "poor people" is racist.

fascinating123 · 7時間前

It's a combination of misunderstandings about libertarian/AnCap ideas and the fact that a lot of libertarians tend to be male and white.

There's nothing inherently racist about Anarcho-Capitalism or libertarianism of course. And the vast vast majority of us are in no way racist or bigoted, but some people only go by demographics.

The thing is, we can really do a much better job marketing our ideas in underdeveloped countries. Believe it or not there are a lot of people open to the idea that limited or no government is a much better way to achieve peace and prosperity vs the status quo. We just have to reach out and do the leg work.

Caltex88 · 3時間前

It's because many leftists are racist deep down. An anarcho-capitalist or libertarian society would result in the most capable persons rising to the top, and the least capable sinking to the bottom. These leftists assume that certain racial and ethnic groups will sink to the bottom, and thus assume those who want a libertarian society want to see this outcome. They then call us racists, despite the fact that their whole reasoning for calling us racist, is in fact rooted in their belief that some races are inferior. Because of their sense of social justice, they believe equality of outcome must be forced on everyone, so those they see as inferior must be given a helping hand in order to achieve equal results.

I personally don't know, nor care who thrives in a free society. As long as we're all free, we all have a fair shot at success, and that success will be dependent on our own capabilities.

lightfive · 10時間前

Yeah, it basically some people within the movement hold those views and opponents use it to make an argument against the entire ideology. It's the same with every other political movement as well, look at the communists, liberals, conservatives etc.

PG2009 · 5時間前

Is this just a defense mechanism where people can write off differing points of view by simply labeling then as something unsavory?

It is a mixture of both the "straw man" and the ad hominem fallacy...its almost beautiful in its all-encompassing ignorance.

terinbune · 4時間前

If you don't support handouts from government, it means you don't support handouts at all. If you don't support government enforced equality, it means you don't support equality at all, etc.

elbow_ham · 4時間前

if you don't support welfare benefits heavily weighted towards members of special interest groups, you're clearly a biggot

whyohwhydoIbother · 2時間前

If you want to know the actual reason people think ancap is racist, it's because the status quo is racist and they see ancap as just status quo+.

If people are pointing out overwhelming concentration of white people that's (primarily) as symptom.

The other reason is that it provides a haven for the obviously, explicitly, obnoxiously racist and makes at best a token effort to exclude them. It provides a welcoming environment for them. So I think you're wrong when you say that:

I figure there probably is an element of those that subscribe to anarcho capitalism that also harbor fringe racial beliefs but I can't imagine it's any more than any other political ideology.

Also:

If anything I believe capitalism has done a lot to improve the lives of marginalized people, whereas the state has always maintained institutionalized racism. Your thoughts?

I think it's far more accurate to see the state and capitalism as symbiotic and most of their products as the result of joint effort, including racism.

Hope that helps.

ArcherDNM · 1時間前

Is this just a defense mechanism where people can write off differing points of view by simply labeling then as something unsavory?

Often (always), especially in the US, The "rascism" tag is used to shut down legitimate debate by someone unwilling to consider that their viewpoint may be wrong. People are so unwilling to respond to the charge of 'rascist' that the one tossing the term usually wins by default.

If people would simply fight back with a reasoned argument more often, rather than getting butthurt and running away, this could be combated.

JollyAncap88 · 35分前

Ancaps and libertarians generally support free markets. Republicans and conservatives sometimes say good things about free markets too. There are some racist groups who support the Republican party. It follows that anarcho-capitalism is racist, and therefore wrong.

I think that's how the argument goes.

FooQuuxman · 4分前

It isn't just libertarians, conservatives get it even more than we do. Many (most?) conservatives have a twitch reaction whenever the subject comes up as a result.

Brambleshire · 3時間前

Because there is a frightening amount of racism amongst ancaps, and others take notice; and you don't see as much in other movements. It's as simple as that.

Apart from the nationalism and militarism, ancaps largely partake in very socially conservative and white viewpoints. Basically other than the opposition to nationalism and miltarism, it's very difficult to tell the difference between republicans and ancaps.

JobDestroyer · 9時間前

I don't know, but these neo-reactionary cunts didn't help much.

Easy-Target · 8時間前

People might have a thought process that humans are inherently evil, and that a good strong government can fix that.

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