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[–]ButterChickenNao 62ポイント63ポイント  (12子コメント)

Australia has that too but here it's called ANZAC Day. Basically tried to invade Turkey, entire army ran into an ambush and died. Now it's the most celebrated day of the year. I agree that the human loss of that day is fucking devastating but considering they died invading a country, I find it a bit difficult to accept the glorification of their actions. They're not heroes. I see them as victims of their orders but definitely not heroes. Instead of teaching kids that invading other countries is unacceptable and war should never happen again, I feel it's become a major army recruitment tool. And everyone who openly shares my view gets openly crucified, for example recently a journalist got fired from SBS. I'll probably get downvoted for this but so be it. This is how I view it.

[–]hawksaber 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

Don't forget about the reports of rapes interrogations and indiscriminate killings justified shootings. Look it up. It's fucking scary. War is so stupid & horrific that I pray one day all those in power & control who make soldiers go to war face war themselves so that they can see what sort of terror brave men & women had to face.

[–]ButterChickenNao 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Couldn't have said it better. I agree. I find it scary that people can say war is always a last resort but then call anyone in the army a hero. It's perpetuating a cycle where no one recognises how much we are played.

[–]Dressedw1ngs 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Turkey was part of the Central Powers, and as silly as it seems was a backdoor in CP Europe.

Atatürk said himself that they (Anzac and Turkish soldiers) died for no reason.

Anzac day is like remembrance day or memorial day. You remember the dead and never forget why they died.

[–]scotttherealist 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Jesus it's a celebration of disastrously incompetent military leadership

[–]Rhabdomere 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Right on dude. There are a lot of fellow Aussies who agree with your perspective, although we get drowned out by the masses. It makes me so angry that by criticising the warped narratives, the pageantry, and the campaign itself, we are somehow shitting on the graves of these ~ glorious diggers ~. I get angry that boys, 15-20, many conscripted, many others having no idea what they were getting into, were sacrificed in the bloody maw for fucking what?

To me it's a celebration of sacrificing our youth on the altar of drummed-up warlust for the interests of our colonial handlers. No existential threat. Even Vietnam had more "reason" to it (beside trying to score brownie points with Our Great Friend & Ally) and that was fucking insane - but it's the same sentiment with the ANZACs (if only people remembered Vietnam): yeahhhhh uhhhhhh we sacrificed an entire fucking generation of dudes for uhhhhhh, yeah they saw and experienced and committed unimaginable atrocities and uhhh, when they came back we marginalised them from society, uhhh, we love our boys though we sent them to horror and death with the alternative of rotting in a prison cell, uhhhh.... don't ask questions just feel sad in remembrance

I don't know how old you are but not too long ago I was in primary school (90s/early 00s) - every ANZAC Day we would have a this 4 hour service thing where we would all have to sit very still in orderly arrangement while the ceremony played out; speeches from eminent local councillors, historians, relatives of vets, and so on - the Last Post played ad nauseam - and of course, the minute silence, where if you could muster up the concentration to cry (despite being bewildered as to WHAT THE FUCK WAS GOING ON) you were temporarily sanctified by the staff for being virtuous. This ANZAC Day it felt as if that school ceremony was being played out on a national scale - and seriously, it was like a childhood fairy tale.

Yeah, "Lest We Forget"... more like Lest We Remember.

[–]ButterChickenNao 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree. School glorified it the most imo and that's what I seriously disagree with. Telling kids veterans that died in ANZAC are heroes for dying for their country is such a serious thing to say to a child. Most don't question what they are told. They then grow up and accept the default position of soldiers are heroes and war is a necessity.

[–]boredso 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Lest We Remember" Not for people who care, its so fucking true...

[–]thehague67 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't worry brother. This is the exact subreddit that shares your views. well said.

[–]Mountaineer1024 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

The motto of Anzac day is "Lest we forget".
The recent glorification of the day would horrify any of soldiers that survived.
Ever been to Canberra and seen the war memorial?
It's got direct line of sight from parliament house; that's deliberate.

The day itself has good origins and has been hijacked by commercial interests.

[–]ButterChickenNao 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree 100%. I also believe the original meaning has been distorted.

[–]vslds 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, seeing this makes me a bit happy for our national celebrations in Greece. 25th March for the start of the revolution against Turkish occupation, 28th October for denying entrance to Axis and starting the resistance, and 17th November for the students killed in protest against the millitary junta.

[–]zkkk 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I share the same view as you man, but 99% of the time there shall be stoning.

[–]slapknuts 284ポイント285ポイント  (107子コメント)

I don't get it, where's the conspiracy here?

[–]sonofswayzee 498ポイント499ポイント  (27子コメント)

theres not, its just edgy teenager central

[–]FlyLikeRabbi 136ポイント137ポイント  (6子コメント)

Summer reddit getting started early

[–]wrinkleneck71 40ポイント41ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mememorial Day is the start of the summer season.

[–]Wombat_H 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I hate to burst your bubble, but kids use reddit more during the school year than during summer.

[–]toni-storaro 14ポイント15ポイント  (3子コメント)

edgy teenager

teenedger

[–]sonofswayzee 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

edgeolescent?

[–]toni-storaro 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

underedge

[–]sonofswayzee -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

take it easy now, these kids are just coming of edge!

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    [–]undercoversausage 38ポイント39ポイント  (48子コメント)

    war is a racket, it always has been. It is the singular most worthless thing humans do and yet we are flooded every day with veterans who care bout heir dogs, their kids, etc etc etc. The truth is waaaaay darker in that everyone who joins the military is indeed a pawn of the big business that lobbies the government that commands them to kill in the name of commerce and call it freedom, or destroying a bogeyman etc.

    For instance, Hitler would have never risen to power if not for foreign investment. A lot of which was American. Kind of like ISIS, who wouldn't exist to day if not for American meddling in the middle east and their leaving a whole shit load of equipment behind with an army that resents them for destroying their country.

    Absolutely ridiculous to think that there is any honour whatsoever in making war. It is a preventable mental disease that is actually encouraged by people in power who to a great degree are psychopathic.

    Do you give a shit yet? No? You will eventually I guess and it will likely be too late by the time you do.

    [–]ghostofpennwast 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Remember smedly butler.

    [–]undercoversausage 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Remember? Not nearly enough people are even remotely aware of him and what he wrote.

    [–]aaronsherman 11ポイント12ポイント  (13子コメント)

    war is a racket, it always has been.

    That's a valid point of view. I happen to disagree, but probably not as broadly as you might expect...

    Still, not on-point. Memorial day has nothing to do with glorifying war, but honoring the loss of men and women who died in the service of their country, whether you agreed with that country's aims or not, they were human beings and I think their passing deserves a moment. I also think that we should reserve a time on Labor day to honor those who died in poorly maintained sweat shops (the Triangle Factory Fire comes to mind though there are hundreds of such examples before and since, right up to the present day). That doesn't mean I'm suggesting that we glorify borderline slave-labor working conditions either.

    we are flooded every day with veterans who care bout heir dogs, their kids, etc etc etc. The truth is...

    The truth is that they are real people. Regardless of your politics, keeping the fact that those you disagree with and those who serve them are human beings is probably the single most important element of actually affecting any change, if that's your goal...

    Hitler would have never risen to power if not for foreign investment. A lot of which was American.

    I want sources for that. There were Americans who thought the National Socialists were right (and though the National Socialists were assholes of the highest order, it's easy to see why people were taken in... the Germans were in a shitty situation imposed mostly by France and England with the complicity of the US and the Nazis were promoting the idea that Germans could pull out of that imposed poverty and pull themselves up by their own bootstraps which speaks to a certain kind of Western independence-minded conservative).

    But Hitler didn't rise to power due to funding. He rose to power because he was a powerful figurehead that the National Socialist Party could use to wedge itself into a position of authority. It was after Hitler was in power that foreign deals and efforts at appeasement allowed him to consolidate his invasion of Poland and the Reich's hold on German politics.

    Kind of like ISIS, who wouldn't exist to day if not for American meddling in the middle east

    ISIS is better compared to the initial rise of the National Socialists, not Hitler's takeover. Yes, the way we attempted to force Iraq and Afghanistan into Western modes of operation while simultaneously draining their economic resources was very similar to the early impact of the Treaty of Versailles, and had a religious fanatic insurgent movement risen in Germany instead of the National Socialists, the comparison would be perfect.

    Absolutely ridiculous to think that there is any honour whatsoever in making war.

    This I have to disagree with. Though we can argue that Hitler's rise to power was a soup of our own making, we cannot ignore the fact that a madman leading a regime of madmen was on the verge of anexing all of Europe. The war against the Third Reich was one of the handful of wars that I do think was justified and while the picture gets muddier when you try to include the Pacific theater in the analysis, this does not speak well to your absolutist view of war. War is a terrible and destructive force, and sometimes it's actually preferable to "think the unthinkable" than to execute a campaign of blood and death... but sometimes it's necessary.

    Do you give a shit yet?

    Sadly, I always have.

    [–]Ambiguously_Ironic 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Memorial day has nothing to do with glorifying war, but honoring the loss of men and women who died in the service of their country

    The point you're missing here, the point the other person made, is that many of these people weren't serving their country at all despite what they may have thought.

    [–]tehgreatblade 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Why do you blindly accept 'history' as the absolute truth?

    [–]aaronsherman 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    This appears to be a strawman argument. I do not "blindly accept" anything and I'm not a fan of referring to anything as "absolute truth."

    [–]tehgreatblade 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    How can you say that and yet talk about Hitler like you know what really happened.

    No one has any real proof. Everyone with memories that far back are dead.

    [–]aaronsherman 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I think that you need to have some credulity, but at the same time, it doesn't really improve the situation to throw up your hands and say that we don't know anything. You can rely on multiple, independent sources, read autobiographies, discern on the basis of independent historical authorities who have no skin in the game... History is a puzzle and puzzles aren't solved by sticking your head in the sand.

    [–]MercyFileNotFound 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

    As I'm thinking about it, Hitler came to power not because of America or with outside help, it was inspite of them. The treaty of versailles crippled the already hurting German economy after WWI. It was Hitlers defiance to the sanctions set on them that he built up a massive army.

    Hitler systematically killed off any and all political competition until he was the only one left to truly rule. After that it wasn't until far after Hitler's armies were on the march that the U.S. joined WWII.

    [–]undercoversausage 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    YOu can't run a country on personal power. Countries run on money, like everything else. Where did Hitler derive his financial support?

    Start with yet another Bush Family member. Prescott Bush. here's a quick article that touches on him in the Guardian. There are ever growing sources that are starting to reveal the scope of the Bush family involvement with the Nazis in the second world war. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar

    [–]MercyFileNotFound 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I agree whole heartedly with you about war. I do however believe it's always been seen more about celebrating people who joined to serve regardless of where they were sent. Some people did join during a time of peace as impossible as it sounds. It doesn't matter if they get a notice of an invading force that will be on our shores within the hour. These people will stand and fight, dropping everything they know and love to do so.

    Wether they are being sent to a foreign country to aid in distater relief or as an invading force. There is respect in the ideals in which they hold. However once you go to where you are needed, everything else if just keeping your brothers alive and getting home. It's shitty.

    [–]undercoversausage 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Bravery and Government care are mutually exclusive. A persons intention and reasons to join may be good. The intention of those who use the individual as fodder or sword are almost never good.

    [–]907gamer 4ポイント5ポイント  (25子コメント)

    Regardless of whether or not war is a racket, Memorial Day is about remembering those that died protecting America. You may not have family members that are/were in the military, but you should show a little respect to those that do. This is reddit though, so I'm expecting to be down voted and called an ass hat and all sorts of other reddit phrases.

    [–]undercoversausage 46ポイント47ポイント  (21子コメント)

    Protecting America? From what? Vietnamese communism? Middle eastern terrorists? Respect? For what? For joining up? You should be learning why your point of view is not exactly correct. How do we respect people that joined an organization that kills people in the interests of the geo-political and commercial desires of others?? What is there to respect?

    No. the line has to be drawn. American wars since WW2 have been all about nothing worthwhile. Harrasment, meddling and outright murder. there's nothing to respect there dude. So,no, I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to support the idea because someone thinks they did the right thing.

    [–]cutanddried 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

    damn, you're such an asshole,

    but everything you say is so right.

    with all due respect; fuck you - I need to reevaluate some shit

    [–]907gamer 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I think you're just mad that they have access to USAA automobile insurance. That shit's super cheap and pretty comprehensive coverage.

    [–]clearwater007 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I tried recently to see if any other car insurance is cheaper than USAA, nope. USAA is still the cheapest around for me.

    [–]Meatsim1 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Vietnam and Korea weren't really hyped as protecting the homeland the way Iraq or Afghanistan were. Thats not to say there weren't arguments that a loss in Korea or Vietnam would lead to more direct threats somewhere down the road, but the main focus of the propaganda wasn't about protecting the US from a direct threat.

    [–]panickyfrog 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

    "We have to stop the red menace from spreading or we'll wake up one day and be surrounded by our enemies"

    [–]undercoversausage 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    America hasn't seen war on it's own soil since it's own civil war. But America has purposefully involved herself in War outside of her boundaries almost from the inception of the country. 99% of all congressional districts have within them a business or corporation whose purpose is support of war and production of goods for use in making war. 99%! The country is as dependent on war as it is on foreign oil. The countries that put themselves in league with that ideology are on a slippery slope moving into the future. I think people are fed up with the way things are run and rightly so.

    [–]JaminY 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

    So what about remembering all of those who died in WW2? They still count and they still matter.

    [–]Denny_Craine 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

    They're as relevant as remembering the Spanish-American War vets at this point. It was 7 decades ago nearly the entire generation is dead now

    [–]Tchocky 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    There's only value in remembering people as long as they are alive. Excellent point.

    [–]oBBKo 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Protecting us from what? In hindsight, when was the last time that there was a legitimate threat to our nation? When wasn't there an ulterior motive?

    HINT: It wasn't in your lifetime.

    [–]yungmemeboyworldwide 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The last time there was an actual widescale threat to our nation we were fighting each other.

    [–]MercyFileNotFound -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Also ISIS existed before the Iraq and Afghanistan wars kicked off. They actually merged with and made up the majority of the fighting force that was Al-Qaeda.

    Al-Qaeda at the time had a prominent leading figure in Osama Bin Laden which played a huge role in funding and recruitment. With his death ISIS reformed under the leadership types such as Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.

    [–]undercoversausage 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    ISIS was born out of the FSA, but you're right, it absorbed Al Q members and various other mercenary miscrients and people who were looking to get foreigners out of their lands. Ideologically, it (IS) should be aborted.

    [–]punisher2404 19ポイント20ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Not every post is going to present you with a clear cut "conspiracy", use your brain; what interpretation do you get from the message within? This is just referencing the fact that western media controls the minds of the many, and if there is a film showing how "soldiers felt sad turning brown people into hamburger meat" than maybe the public that is unconsciously supporting the foreign policy that dictates those types of actions, they can be put at ease knowing that "hey, at least WE'RE still THE GOOD GUYS. Right?.." But alas, we are not.

    [–]no1113 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Exactly this. Too many folks around here feel that unless you hand the them an OP with a sign that reads "THIS IS A CONSPIRACY BECAUSE..." plastered all over it, that it somehow doesn't and can't constitute a conspiracy and shouldn't be in this sub. Not enough intelligent or critical thinking going on.

    [–]PM_ME_YOUR_MOUTHOPEN 3ポイント4ポイント  (13子コメント)

    Justification through American propaganda.

    [–]laboredthought 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Technically a large number of the wars referenced in the joke are.

    [–]BenjimanNetanyahu 5ポイント6ポイント  (9子コメント)

    ALL THE BITCHES AND SHILLS IN THE HOUSE TONIGHT I SEE

    [–]foobar5678 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Which Frankie Boyle set is this? Clip?

    [–]haribohowley 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    From the background, I believe it's the independence show he and a few other comedians did

    [–]Daimai 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Well to be honest, killing people is some fucked up shit, considering the amount of soldiers returning home with PTSD and other problems. Its the leadership that fights these unnecessary wars that are the problem.

    [–]TheGubbins 27ポイント28ポイント  (10子コメント)

    This seems pretty much on the money about all the Vietnam movies made from the US soldiers perspective. Not sure why everyone is getting so riled up.

    [–]Connelly90 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

    "Watched American Sniper. Sort of Star Wars from the point of view of the Stormtroopers."
    - Frankie Boyle

    [–]HierophantGreen 37ポイント38ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Lots of butthurt comments

    [–]high-priest-of-slack[S] 83ポイント84ポイント  (61子コメント)

    As the OP (not the comic though) you can focus your hates and downvotes at me.

    I'm also a 4 year veteran. I never should have joined and I should have left a lot sooner.

    "Just following orders" has become a legitimate defense of the US military's constant war and destruction. It's not the globalist elite giving orders who are the ones shooting guns or firing missiles or piloting drones though.

    It's the everyday Memorial Day heroes. The one's who are just trying to do right, who are just following orders, who spread America's empire of death and destruction across the world leaving military bases and McDonald's in the ruins.

    [–]plato_thyself 69ポイント70ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Wrote this to another veteran in this thread, but it applies to you as well.

    Instead of thanking you for your service, I'm going to thank you for having the courage to speak up about your experiences and teaching others about the injustice of war. Thank you.

    [–]cardevitoraphicticia 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I wish more soldiers went to middle America high schools and talked about what a raw deal joining the military is.

    [–]ZeroPride 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I live in Chicago and attend a public high school.

    I shit you not, a few weeks ago, a National Guard woman came in during our advisory period and began talking about all of the pros of joining the National Guard and encouraged the entire Junior class to join and attend boot camp during the summer.

    [–]shodanx 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That all volunteer army isn't going to volunteer itself.

    [–]JiggyProdigy 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

    "Just following orders"

    AKA, The Nuremberg Defense

    [–]shodanx 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Nuremberg was overturned by My Lai.

    [–]Kabuthunk 9ポイント10ポイント  (8子コメント)

    The US military used to be a thing of pride. A thing of honour and prestige. Now it's getting harder to find anything good to say about it. It's a thing of shame now... going to fight wars nobody wants us in, one of the biggest financial trainwrecks on earth. I don't like to invoke Godwin, but 'just following orders' and repeated reports of torture or human experimentation throughout US history, never mind the mass corruption that everyone on earth can see, but can do nothing about? Not many other comparisons coming to mind...

    [–]cardevitoraphicticia 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Unfortunately middle America high schools are still full of propaganda.

    [–]oBBKo 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You can add much to that list, the fact that they are the worst polluter on the planet, the squalor and crime that military bases fester here and abroad, etc., and just the fact that it ultimately makes us less safe and the world a worse place.

    [–]The03k 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

    The US military used to be a thing of pride. A thing of honour and prestige. Now it's getting harder to find anything good to say about it

    Eh, I honestly like the technology. I mean, aren't we developing, or have already developed, a rail gun, using actual laser-esque stuff? That's neat. It's ugh...pretty damn unnecessary, I think, but it's still pretty neat. I grew up watching shows about the technology, how cool it was, guess it kind of stuck.

    [–]Kabuthunk 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    It's sad that the industry of taking life is valued this heavily :(

    [–]The03k 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's not the industry, or rather, it's not the idea that these things will be used to kill other people, that I enjoy.

    It's simply the fact that they exist. As a kid, the idea of a railgun was fucking awesome. Watching shows, movies, not specifically for the railguns, they just happened to be in there, it was a great. Now, we're developing our own.

    Lasers don't excite me as much, they're pretty damn boring. Along with that "seizure gun". I have a game, Ace Combat 6, where the last aircraft you get has a railgun on it. I'd be giddy as hell if I saw that actually become a thing.

    ...Sorry.

    [–]oBBKo 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

    You are a modern day Smedley Butler, good man. We need more of you.

    [–]ejpusa 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Not a robot. :-)

    Smedley Butler

    Smedley Darlington Butler[1] (July 30, 1881 – June 21, 1940) was a United States Marine Corps major general, the highest rank authorized at that time, and at the time of his death the most decorated Marine in U.S. history. During his 34-year career as a Marine, he participated in military actions in the Philippines, China, in Central America and the Caribbean during the Banana Wars, and France in World War I. Butler is well known for having later become an outspoken critic of U.S. wars and their consequences, as well as exposing the Business Plot, an alleged plan to overthrow the U.S. government.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler

    [–]Pythias 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Thanks OP, I'm with you. I'm not a vet but the sister of a veteran and he's described his time in the Marines just following stupid orders. It's the main reason why he didn't re enlist.

    [–]anubus72 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

    memorial day is about dead soldiers though. Are you saying the soldiers that died in WWII don't deserve to be remembered?

    [–]oBBKo 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    They do. And it dishonors them when we turn their service into a shallow platitude. My uncle died in the Arden, my father's brother. When I hear things like the NFL being paid to honor the troops, I can't help but feel it shits on his grave. That's not about the people who served, it's about suppressing descent and trolling for naive and impressionable young men.

    [–]Denny_Craine 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Go to the ruins of a battle field and ask the dead how much they care about remembrance.

    [–]George_Tenet 19ポイント20ポイント  (5子コメント)

    22 veterans attempt suicide daily. This is apart of their plan because they, unlike domestoc police or homeland security,swear allegiance to the constitution and not the state. Remember some Veterans in uniform durong during occupy?

    [–]kgt5003 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Actually police officers do take an oath to uphold the Constitution... It's called the Law Enforcement Oath of Honor: "On my honor, I will never betray my badge, my integrity, my character or the public trust. I will always have the courage to hold myself and others accountable for our actions. I will always uphold the Constitution, my community, and the agency I serve." (it may vary slightly state to state but the point of upholding the constitution is always supposed to be included).

    [–]JamesColesPardon 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

    It's interesting the order of what is pledged, if you know what I mean.

    [–]undercoversausage 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

    ^ Frankie's right you know.

    [–]plato_thyself 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Here's the full context in case anyone's interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZwuTI-V8SI

    [–]DronePuppet 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Its sad when things are put in perspective.

    [–]cafeRacr 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The thing is, you could remove the word "America from that first sentence, and replace it with just about any first world country that has been involved in a major conflict in the last 100 years, and it would still ring true. The problem is, not too many people watch foreign films, unless those foreign films come from America.

    [–]shadowofashadow 28ポイント29ポイント  (122子コメント)

    That's what I said about American Sniper. That whole scene where he sees the kid about to use a grenade on his buddies is supposed to make us feel sympathy for people who murder children halfway across the world.

    Oh look how tough he has it, he had to make the hard decision to murder a child and save his buddies or let his buddies die, he's so brave! Bullshit. He shouldn't be over there in the first place.

    [–]jeffbingham 13ポイント14ポイント  (104子コメント)

    ...you know soldiers don't get to choose where they go, right?

    [–]JamesColesPardon 41ポイント42ポイント  (52子コメント)

    He wasn't conscripted. So yes, he technically did have a choice.

    [–]BoomStickofDarkness 6ポイント7ポイント  (18子コメント)

    And when soldiers stop joining voluntarily, America will simply quit fighting overseas?

    [–]alcoholic_loser 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That's when another 9/11 happens and troop numbers surge again.

    [–]jlv270 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I guarantee it would put a damper on this never ending open ended war on terror BS.

    [–]Denny_Craine 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Americans will actually have the moral high ground in that case

    Edit: also people with real courage then dodge the draft and protest the war.

    [–]FerretHydrocodone 16ポイント17ポイント  (34子コメント)

    You know that these soldiers CHOOSE to be soldiers right?

    [–]Robert_Grave 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

    I often hear stories about people joining the military merely to pay for their studies and stuff tho..

    [–]Denny_Craine 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

    So they choose to participate in unjust wars of aggression because they want money?

    That makes them mercenaries

    [–]FerretHydrocodone 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I'm sure some do. But is killing innocent people, potentially getting PTSD, and doing other horrid things worth that? I wouldn't be able to live with the guilt.

    [–]Robert_Grave 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    For some people it is it appears, it is merely what I hear, people joining the army to get a scholarship.

    [–]oBBKo 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Everyone has a choice. Conscientious Objector status was won by men braver than any soldier ever.

    Amish men don't wear mustaches or buttons, both because of the military fetishism for them that pervaded Europe at that time. They were hugely symbolic.

    When they were locked up during WWI because they refused to fight, they were given prison clothes with buttons. They tore the buttons off and returned them to the guards, only to be brutally punished. Some accounts told of men who had their fingers broken to prevent them from removing buttons, only then to remove them with their teeth.

    Everyone has a choice. Heroes like those young Amish men or Chelsea Manning just choose their conscience over overwhelming consequences. I would risk my own life over needlessly taking another's.

    [–]shadowofashadow 8ポイント9ポイント  (10子コメント)

    Really? Please tell me more.

    EDIT: Was on phone. my point is that taking a job to kill random people is worse than signing up for a specific cause. Think about what you're justifying. Taking a paycheque to kill random people that you're told to kill... you don't even have a reason, it's just a job. That's fucked up.

    [–]officialbum 18ポイント19ポイント  (8子コメント)

    Seriously. If it wasn't for the destruction of the middle class and making education and economic mobility nearly impossible, practically nobody would be joining the military. The conspiracy: you don't need to draft people into bullshit wars because that creates backlash, just make everybody poor and have them baited by pay and healthcare benefits to bribe them to go to war so they can support their family. Now there are no conscientious objectors because it's an all volunteer army, so no matter how bullshit the war is, they cannot object because they chose to be there. And then you can screw them over with cheapo healthcare benefits when they get home because they're only heroes if they are dying or coming back proud. All of the other veterans are in the streets begging for change.

    [–]shadowofashadow 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Exactly. /u/jeffbingham was somehow trying to justify Chris Kyle's killing of children because he didn't choose to go to that country? I dont get it. The fact is he is taking a paycheque to kill random people. This is not like WW2 where people joined because they felt they had a reason to fight. This is people looking for a paycheque and doing it because a lot of war propaganda told them being a solder is awesome and the right thing to do.

    There hasn't been a just war in a long time. People sell their souls to the war machine to get out of poverty or because they've been lied to about what it means.

    [–]houseofholy 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

    service guarantees citizenship! would you like to know more?

    [–]oBBKo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The irony of using Heinlein's words is that he was a borderline fascist himself and meant them in an entirely different context of advocating for militarism in a romantic allegory where he portrays the "enemy" as less than human, same with Ender's Game.

    I think both you and I take home the exact opposite moral of the story.

    [–]punisher2404 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

    They get to choose if they want to sign up or not though. If they want to be cowardly pawns for a government who has NO care whatsoever about their lives. Outside of this obligatory holiday where we all pretend we care about people in the military, because "my grandpa fought in world war two! How dare you say he was a pawn for the central bankers and the government?!" I can say this because I was one, I served for 5 years and am thankful I wokeup to the lies.

    [–]plato_thyself 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Instead of thanking you for your service, I'm going to thank you for having the courage to speak up about your experiences and teaching others about the injustice of war.

    [–]jeffbingham -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    They get to choose if they want to sign up or not though.

    The majority choose to for the free college, because in America if you have no college diploma you will go nowhere, you can't get a basic job anymore without one. College is expensive, the military's offer is attractive because of it. Most Americans aren't rich enough to pay out of pocket, and there are only so many scholarships. It's really not about signing up to kill people for the joy of killing, if that's why you went, that's your own problem.

    If they want to be cowardly pawns for a government who has NO care whatsoever about their lives.Outside of this obligatory holiday where we all pretend we care about people in the military, because "my grandpa fought in world war two! How dare you say he was a pawn for the central bankers and the government?!" I can say this because I was one, I served for 5 years and am thankful I wokeup to the lies.

    That's some odd sentence structure.

    Cowards sign up to get shot at? Okay...

    I'm not going to argue whether or not civilians care, that's not really relevant, and it's extremely ignorant to presume that no one actually cares. It's a statistical impossibility.

    Seems like you're just mad that you fell for the rhetoric like a lot of other people.

    [–]DoctorWhoBong 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You know that people give bombs to kids that aren't quite sure what they are and tell them to go run around by the Americans and then...boom. Its the old argument, kill one to save many, and you can't always satisfy everyone.

    [–]hall714 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

    This is ridiculous.

    [–]Alexandre_Dumbass 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Indeed. This isn't conspiracy, it's Hollywood.

    [–]oBBKo 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The CIA works with Hollywood. It didn't start with Kathryn Bigelow, they've been doing it for decades.

    I believe that is a conspiracy.

    [–]nateratm 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

    "Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy." Henry Kissinger

    [–]shodanx 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    "In Haig's presence, Kissinger referred pointedly to military men as "dumb, stupid animals to be used" as pawns for foreign policy. Kissinger often took up a post outside the doorway to Haig's office and dressed him down in front of the secretaries for alleged acts of incompetence with which Haig was not even remotely involved. Once when the Air Force was authorized to resume bombing of North Vietnam, the planes did not fly on certain days because of bad weather. Kissinger assailed Haig. He complained bitterly that the generals had been screaming for the limits to be taken off but that now their pilots were afraid to go up in a little fog. The country needed generals who could win battles, Kissinger said, not good briefers like Haig. As quoted in The Final Days by Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein in chapter 14. Page 194 in the paperback version (1995)."

    Wow that guy knows how to be hated ! I'm in the middle of Nixon's biography and I don't understand at all why Nixon, who almost never trusted anyonem preferred underlings who were docile yes men and who were not a risk to him, would ever trust a guy like Kissinger. He must have been some real sweet talker or he had something on Nixon !?

    [–]Turntupgreens 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Doesnt matter what you think...it got this sub talking

    [–]Viking_Lordbeast 17ポイント18ポイント  (13子コメント)

    How was graduation OP?

    [–]oBBKo 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Funny, since it is the underdeveloped brain of teenage men that the military preys on. If teenagers are so impressionable and naive, shouldn't recruiters be banned from high-schools? They are even targeting grade-school aged kids.

    [–]Notquiteretroyet 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Unsure why this is in /r/conspiracy but Frankie Boyle is the fucking man, says it like it is.

    [–]i_swear_i_lift 3ポイント4ポイント  (7子コメント)

    This is literally the top post in /r/conspiracy right now. What the fuck went wrong with this sub?

    [–]Im_a_wet_towel 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Umm.... Memorial Day isn't about how the soldiers feel. It's about the soldiers who died. /r/shitpost.

    [–]PoGuDu 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

    I love Frankie Boyle. It's a shame that his free speech gets him fired from almost all of his jobs

    [–]JollySmash 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Is this refering to American sniper?

    [–]Crangrapejoose 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I want to say thank you to the Veterans that speak up about the atrocities committed by the US in other countries across the globe. Thank you for having the courage to tell about the injustices of war that take place every single day of our lives. On this Memorial Day as we remember our fallen citizens, we must also remember the imperialistic ways our soldiers are taught to protect by "just following orders". This is meant as no disrespect but respect for those that care enough about their fellow citizens and soldiers to show the world what is really going on. In the interests of oil and pharmaceutical companies our soldiers are being put into a furnace. We must also remember veterans that have been killed by police in our OWN nation. By police that seek to only defend themselves and toss the constitution to the wind. We live in perilous times my fellow Americans. I hope we can gain enough ground together to make change before change is too far out of reach. Be safe. Be diligent. Be aware. Bless you all.

    [–]nateratm 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    These people are not heroes. Please stop perpetuating this nonsensical notion. A hero is someone who acts in honorable and courageous ways to save and protect innocents. That is not what these people do and those who believe that is what they do are brainwashed fools.

    [–]Wazdakka 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Epic truthful American Jimmie rustling!

    [–]SlightlyCyborg -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I hate memorial day. Memorialize the stupidity of humanity is what it does

    [–]1865 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Do you think that perhaps you are looking at it from a somewhat limited perspective? You are completely right in using the term "stupidity of humanity" but...Memorial day honors those who died for what they either believed was for a "greater good" or because the callous hypocrites in Washington decided to again be the bully of the world for personal gain.

    [–]ChainsawSnuggling 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

    You know Memorial Day is about honoring the dead, right?

    [–]Denny_Craine 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    .......who cares?

    [–]ChainsawSnuggling 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Memorial day exists for those who died. Maybe not the best day to take potshots at soldiers suffering from PTSD? At least have the decency to wait for veterans day so your shitty jokes are at least on topic.

    [–]chuckberry314 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    this is incredibly poor taste for memorial day. i wish there was anti-gold i could buy. if you want to say something like this on veterans day then so be it. but i bet you're too chicken shit to say something like this to a widow sitting by a grave. I didn't see my buddies die face down in muck... never-mind.

    [–]PresidentCleveland 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That dude is from the UK, so yea...