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Is SJWism/feminism just a fad? (self.TiADiscussion)

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You see a lot of kids on Tumblr and Twitter talking about it. You see a few celebrities talking about it.

Is modern feminism just a fad that will blow over in a few years like pet rocks and disco music? Is it just another "this is what the cool kids say, so I'll repeat it?" Or will this become (if it hasn't already) a serious problem that takes over many aspects of our society, government and education system?

Personally I think it is both a fad and a serious threat. I think that there are some hardcore feminists who are in fact trying to hijack our society, government and education system.

I also think that most modern feminists are just jumping on the bandwagon to be cool. These "useful idiots" are being used to empower the professional feminists and distract the public.

Then again, I could be wrong. Maybe the feminists have truly "brainwashed" many of the youth and they never will grow out it. What do you guys think?

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[–]RaisinZetaJonesThe Unbearable Whiteness of Being 33ポイント34ポイント  (1子コメント)

It'll blow over in time. It's a cultish mentality, and because it's inherently dysfunctional it's unsustainable.

The question isn't will it blow over, but how long will it take. It is equivalent to the Inquisition or the French Terror or the Red Scare(s). Deranged, life-ruining witch-hunts.

What will eventually destroy it is when more and more people begin noticing the pattern and latching on to it. What I imagine you'll start to see happening is things like men and boys being told over and over about the wonderful woman effect (not in so many words, but you get the idea) and buying into it.

When the wonderful woman effect ends up being bullshit, and because SJWs keep telling them they care about men, they'll think "Oh, OK -- I'll just record my girlfriend/mother/sister/wife abusing me" or "Oh, this girl tried to force my dick into her screaming that 'nobody says no to her' -- good thing I had my iphone on" or a cabbie will be accused of rape while his camera's running or a cop will be accused of sexual assault while his bodycam's on.

They'll invariably be attacked, and their victimizers sheltered, until the video or audio comes out -- and it will, it's not like CCTVs have stopped people from stealing -- and soon the mainstream folks will start to wonder how many innocents they've gone after. Sooner or later, "pfft, it's just some hurt fee-fees" is going to stop counting when it's done to children or affects kids somehow -- because even though women are valued over men, children are valued over all else, regardless of gender. And when that happens, the mainstreamers who realized they were lied to will get pissed, and there will be blowback.

Welcome to the cycle of psychotic ideologies throughout history. Torquemada's bones were burned in a symbolic auto-de-fe, Robespierre was guillotined, it'll happen here too.

A singular terror is unsustainable over long periods.

[–]zerodeem 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2gtXHjYNZk

This video on ISIS applies to SJWism too.

Lot of the basic ideas behind the two are the same.

(that's haram = that's triggering,offensive,hate speech etc)

[–]itgscv1 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

Both, a lot of people are waking up to how radical and authoritarian the movement has gotten, one tiny wrong step and you get cast out and shunned. On the other hand look at the laws being passed, and countries like Sweden where feminism has taken over completely. Laws take a long time to change back and I'm not sure if people will wake up soon enough to make a difference.

There was a case recently there with 2 teenagers that had consensual sex. Afterwards the girl cried rape, the guy had recorded it showing it was consensual. He got fined $4000 for slander or something against her name.

[–]maiqthetrue 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The problem is that the culture itself does not snap back. Everything the feminist wanted in 1975 is law in 2015. They dropped the theater, but as far as the culture and the laws, it's what they wanted. I suspect the same will be true of 2015 feminists. Triggering will be a thing in 2025, rape culture will be a thing.

[–]TriangleDimesUnlikable Diaper Man 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

I remember "bra-burning feminazis" and radical feminists being widely dismissed and mocked in popular media for a long time. Like it was such an accepted fact that it became a corny joke to do. It's weird seeing the exact same thing come back. But at the same time, we can look at it like this core mentality has just been around for decades and keeps coming back again and again. I mean there's always going to be feminists and reasonable people talking about gender and all that, but the whole cocktail of that and "we are 16 and we will change the world!" and "fuck you rules, dye your armpit hair!" will eventually become a big fucking joke until people forget again.

[–]deXXXtroamphetaminestill trippy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fashion is a cycle.

[–]Nephrastar 5ポイント6ポイント  (7子コメント)

I would wager yes, the SJW/Feminism ideology that the darker parts of tumblr posses is a fad. Just as early '00 kids were obsessed with emo/goth/prep culture '10 kids are obsessed with Tumblr and seeing everything as black and white with no compromise inbetween. It will come to pass soon and be replaced with another fad. As for which one, I'm not so sure.

[–]hfwang18 7ポイント8ポイント  (5子コメント)

The SJW mentality might be a fad, but feminism isn't- feminism has been around for almost 200 years. But this generation's feminists complain about far more menial things than the ones 100 or even 50 years ago complained about, and though many of them are fine, upstanding people who genuinely care about equality and treat people with respect, there are those who do not, ruin the brand, and end up pushing people away, just like the Andrea Dworkins and the bra-burners from days past.

The SJW mindset learned helplessness is new though...it will be a fad, and most upstanding feminists and those who LIVE feminist ideals will not stand for it.

Feminism will exist for as long as men hold some advantages over women in society, and rightfully so, but it is up to those who carry its brand to see it reaches its aims as envisioned by those who came up with the definition.

[–]Nephrastar 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

Feminism in itself isn't a fad-- Tumblr Feminism is, though.

[–]hfwang18 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

Tumblr feminism isn't the kind of feminism I see on a day to day basis and will die out. The types I'm about to describe will not.

There are two main types I see:

  1. You know lifeonthegrid? The one who makes SJW-ish arguments on this subreddit? Representative of the first type. Yes, they adopt the SJW frame of reference, minus the crazy of Tumblr. Very articulate and well-spoken, they represent the feminism that dominates women's studies depts today. They categorize people based on privilege levels, call people out for microaggressions, tell people to check their privilege, and do typical SJW stuff...minus death threats, bad grammar, or overt statements of hatred towards anyone. Some of them (lifeonthegrid doesn't but the activists on my campus do) shame you for disagreeing with them, and they are typically the ones calling for speech codes and reduced burden of proof for rapes and sexual assaults. Basically, real-life SJWs that aren't on Tumblr.

  2. These are most of the feminists I know in real life. They are for the most part normal people, with a passion for helping out the less fortunate. They treat men with the same level of respect that those men treat them, and function well in our society. They are assertive on a day-to-day basis, LIVE the ideals of feminism and lead by example, and though I may disagree with them on a few issues, I feel honored to be their friends, because they are genuinely good people and I can disagree with them politely without being shamed for it. I wouldn't for a moment consider them SJWs, because they see people as individuals and not categorized groups with hierarchies of privilege, and DO see it as their duty to educate others on feminism as to rally people around their cause.

[–]nonsensepoem 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have a feeling tumblr feminism will remain a standing wave: girls will grow out of it while new tweens discover it, an endless cycle as long as sites like tumblr exist. It's the Eternal September of radfeminism.

[–]niczar 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

What does the word mean, though? It's a problem with all -isms, as well as the plethora of tumblr sexual identity labels. For example, are you gay, lesbian, bisexual, queer, bi-curious and so on and so forth? Who the fuck cares. What matters is whether you have sex with people of which gender, or wish you did.

That's why AIDS researchers use "men who have sex with men" instead of "gay men" or "homosexuals." It doesn't matter if they identify as gay, bi or hetero, it doesn't matter if they do it because they like it or not, it doesn't matter if they wish they could do it if they don't actually do it, what actually matters is that they put their penis inside some other guy's pooper or vice-versa. Not because it's morally bad or good but because that's how you can get AIDS.

[–]WylanderukProud Mbr Of Schrödinger's Shitlords 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The SJW mindset learned helplessness is new though...it will be a fad, and most upstanding feminists and those who LIVE feminist ideals will not stand for it.

Yeah, keep telling yourself that...40 odd fucking years and counting...

While yes I do think (and hope) that feminism (eternal victimhood edition) will fall by the wayside its downfall is going to be in spite of feminists, not because of them.

[–]Edoexplosivepawn 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd give a lot to go back to the early 00s culture.

[–]blessedbyyeezus 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

I figure it's just a bad time for a "youth movement"

I was 13 when 9/11 happened, which of course lead to my young activism being anti-war, anti-defense spending. Now I look at the homeland, we don't have visible enemies right now, especially to teens.

[–]hfwang18 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

The youth movements are always a product of events going on around them.

You grew up in the Bush presidency, with neocons in power and a dubious war in Iraq. The youth of the 1960s protested against Vietnam; the youth of the 2000s protested against Iraq.

My cohort (late 2000s/early 2010s) grew up in a recession, which brought attention to staggering amounts of inequality between the rich and the poor. Beyond that, they see how these inequalities disproportionately affect women and PoC's, and thus their social activism- that against "corporate greed", racism, and sexism, which they see as intertwined- is formed. It's part of the reason why I study economics in college- to learn about what went wrong and how economies could be fixed.

The debate over gay marriage in America has also added fuel to the flame, as the Christian Right came out of the woodwork to spew hatred against gays, leading to a backlash from young people all over the country sick and tired of not only anti-gay sentiment, but also the other forms of hate from the conservative Christians, such as against women who obtain abortions and birth control, against women who have premarital sex, and against minorities for their supposed "culture of crime/degeneracy".

[–]pi_over_3 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a moral panic. It will blow over like all the rest and everyone will look back and mock them.

They try desperately to counter this reality by calling people "reactionaries," but the problem that is the world is moving towards being gender and color blind, and they are in opposition to it. If anything, they are the reactionaries - just look at how hostile they are to actual equality.

[–]OPPRESSIVE_SHITLORD 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes and no. While the 14 year olds will grow up and find a job most likely, the adult SJWs are probably here to stay - however, they'll be a fringe group once more.

[–]chiefsport 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

As an old man (38), the online "SJW" mentality hasn't changed in 20 years but it does seem to have become a little more mainstream recently. Instead of tumblr, it was xanga in the old days.

Hardcore leftism is attractive to teenagers because they can fancy themselves heroes while not doing much of anything outside of online activity. It's an easy choice for them - "I'll just be a knee-jerk left winger because it doesn't require thought and I can pat myself on the back."

Generally, teens just don't have the experience and perspective to make cogent policy arguments about complex subjects so they default to left wing social justice mentalities. Teens don't concern me; the adults who never grew out of being stupid teenagers and are coming into positions of power do concern me.

[–]hfwang18 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fancying themselves as heroes is a common reason, and it is rooted in both history and Hollywood portrayal.

Have you noticed that in history, the side that was on the side of social justice won practically all the time? Abolition of slavery, ending segregation, women's right to vote, regulations on worker safety, union rights, social security progressive income taxes, universal healthcare (in all other developed countries, and only a matter of time in the US), abortion, and gay marriage (also, only a matter of time in the 16 US states that don't have it), all considered social justice movements, and all on the winning side.

Hollywood plays no small role, by glorifying heroes that stand up for the little guy (war movies like American Sniper aside), who are invariably standing up for some injustice perpetuated by a corporation, or a military, a corrupt government, or an organized criminal (many of the heroes in that case being small-time criminals).

This makes some kids have a very black-and-white view of these entities, gives them confidence that they will always be on the right side of history as long as they are standing on the "social justice" side, and that's where you get SJWs from. Though some of their basic political views are well and good, the way that they treat people outside the movement, the way they categorize people based on privilege, and the way that they try to shame people for not agreeing with them, are downright despicable. It is possible to support views that are "social justice" views (and believe me, I support many of them) without being an ass and alienating others.

[–]Sordak 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I dont care if its a "Fad" the damage it has done is real. This is not like emos. Emos have never done damage to society.

If you look to central and northern europe then you will realize that yes SJWs have done ALOT of damage.

[–]Mouon 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wish it was.

[–]Tugalou 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just a fad that will end up irreversibly fucking shit up.

[–]dimnakorr -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I rather suspect they've already peaked.

[–]niczar -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's similar in practice to religious moralism. And I don't mean that as an analogy. Righteous indignation is what [authoritarians](home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/) relish.