(cache) Anti-Catholic posts threaten to overtake r/Catholicism : DeusVult

Christ has not and will not abandon His Church, but it is not a farfetched concept for most of the Church to abandon Christ. One look at Ireland would back this up. There will always be the Church, but that doesn't mean she has over a billion followers.

'These are evil times, a century full of dangers and calamities. Heresy is everywhere, and the followers of heresy are in power almost everywhere. Bishops, prelates, and priests say that they are doing their duty, that they are vigilant, and that they live as befits their state in life. In like manner, therefore, they all seek excuses. But God will permit a great evil against His Church: Heretics and tyrants will come suddenly and unexpectedly; they will break into the Church while bishops, prelates, and priests are asleep. They will enter Italy and lay Rome waste; they will burn down the churches and destroy everything." (Apocalypsis, Bartholomew Holzhauser).

The Ven. Bartholomew Holzhauser prophesied hundreds of years ago about a time coming when orthodoxy would be thrown out the window. It's not far off from what Luke is saying. If you want to argue that sedevacantism is heresy, go ahead; but I see no condemned heresy that it falls under.

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Luke does not deny the grace present in the sacraments. He rejects the validity of the Novus Ordo in its entirety.

According to the late canon lawyer Fr Hesse, the validity of Eucharist in the English translation of the Novus Ordo was doubtful as a result of a mistranslation of the canon, though iirc the error was fixed in 2011. Fr Hesse was not a sedevacantist. In fact, he was ordained by John Paul II himself. The validity of the Novus Ordo can be questioned within a sedeplenist view without necessarily being athenematized.

Luke takes the sedevacantist position on the crisis. His position, in nearly two millennia of ecclesiastical history, has never received any official condemnation and has been occasionally hypothesized as a potential situation by various saintly theologians. If his position is correct, then he is right in rejecting the Novus Ordo.

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Luke does not deny the grace present in the sacraments. He rejects the validity of the Novus Ordo in its entirety.

These two statements are contradictory. One cannot at once reject the validity of the sacraments (in the Ordinary Form of the Mass) and accept the validity of the sacraments. Trent makes no exception for "halfway accepting the grace of certain sacraments." The view he holds is anathema.

The Ordinary Form of the Mass is the Ordinary Form of the Mass; it is the product of a Council of the Church presided over by the Roman pontiff - to hold that it is in error, that the Mass is invalid, is to cease to be Catholic. He is not Catholic. He, like the so-called "Reformers" before him, parrots Catholicism. No doubt Luther, et al, gave some explanation for their heresy. So it was, so it is, so it will be.

One may issue criticism of the Mass, the translation of the Mass, or those celebrating the Mass. Dissent is different than criticism.

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