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Transcript: George McCaskey addresses Ray McDonald signing - "An alleged victim, I think -- much like anybody else who has a bias in this situation -- there's a certain amount of discounting in what they have to say." (chicagotribune.com)

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[–]BearsTheWalkingThano 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Here's the press conference audio this transcript is from. This was right after we signed Ray McDonald a couple of months ago.

[–]Patriotsrespaaaaaj 2ポイント3ポイント  (52子コメント)

Yup lets blame the victim. Classic.

[–]Chargersfbolt 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is standard in these cases. But the guy responding to you has the nerve to insist that men are the victim of all powerful feminazis who control the justice system and NFL front offices too.

[–]LionssweaterWeather2 3ポイント4ポイント  (50子コメント)

You don't even know the story. We live in a society that arrests the man without second thought on the off chance he did it. Not saying he is innocent but their little family is strange. She pulled a gun on him before. She has as many problems as him. So let's not act like women are just completely innocent is shit like this. Just because they have vaginas doesn't magically make them inferior to a man. Violence can go both ways.

[–]PanthersBlindWillieJohnson 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's his third arrest in a year for the same shit. Sure, women aren't always innocent. But a guy who has a repeated pattern of issues like this has burned through his benefit of the doubt.

[–]LionssweaterWeather2 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

I agree with that. But she is also done multiple things like pull a fucking gun on him. There's always an antagonist.

[–]PanthersBlindWillieJohnson 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Two domestic abuse accusations and a sexual assault arrest. No matter how you slice it, this is a player that has routinely put himself in situations that compromise his franchise.

[–]Steelersgimpisgawd 5ポイント6ポイント  (13子コメント)

If this was the first time I'm sure more people would give him the benefit of the doubt, but with three times in a year it's hard to.

[–]Cowboyssicgamer 1ポイント2ポイント  (12子コメント)

Benefit of the doubt is not the same thing as innocent until proven guilty.

[–]Patriotsrespaaaaaj 1ポイント2ポイント  (11子コメント)

Good thing reddit isn't a fucking court then now isn't it. Well that and the boston bomber thing et all.

[–]Cowboyssicgamer 0ポイント1ポイント  (10子コメント)

Yes, it's an extremely good thing, because judging by every DV thread on this site all of you fuckwits would throw the guy in jail and burn the key without a second thought.

[–]Patriotsrespaaaaaj -4ポイント-3ポイント  (9子コメント)

Innocent until proven guilty only applies in the court of law, it has nothing to do with public perception or how public perception should work and is irrelevant to his discussion you fedorable idiot.

[–]NFLLegndarystig 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I hope you never get selected for jurry duty...Your opinion is bad and you should feel bad.

[–]Patriotsrespaaaaaj 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah I'd rather not do Jurry duty either.

[–]49ers_OneManArmy_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

So, you realize with that statement you said you don't care about whether or not he is guilty, you care about the right to believe he is regardless of the facts?

You should go outside for a bit, you've had enough internet son. Nobody is arguing that you can't feel a certain way about a player, but don't try to convince others of your viewpoint if you have LITERALLY NO EVIDENCE.

You can make a judgement call based on an allegation, but you are only showing your ignorance by doing so.

[–]Patriotsrespaaaaaj -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yup, 0 fucking evidence "Lt. Kurt Clarke said in a news release that McDonald was arrested after officers said he "physically assaulted the victim while she was holding a baby." Police were called to a disturbance at 3:48 a.m. at an apartment in Santa Clara, only to find that McDonald had left to go to a friend's home in San Jose."

Or is that not enough proof for you?

[–]49ers_OneManArmy_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

In any case where DV is suspected the officers will arrest the male and remove him from the situation, regardless of if any evidence exists to support the claim.

So, the police handled it properly.

[–]42osiris 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, that is a police report. Those are hardly ever factual. I'm not even being sarcastic. Look at the police report from the Thabo Sefolosha incident.

[–]Cowboyssicgamer 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Lol, right. So what about the part where there are no actual details to this story yet and all you fat white knights are charging online in defense of his victim, like McDonald is some piece of shit? That certainly seems relevant.

[–]Patriotsrespaaaaaj 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Actually I read the article that states he attacked a woman while she was holding a baby. Tell me again how theres 0 details and he might be in the right.

Heres your fucking details you fedorable buttwipe

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Ray-McDonald-Arrested-Domestic-Violence-SJPD-Sources-304911011.html

[–]PatriotsSenatorIncitatus 5ポイント6ポイント  (24子コメント)

I'm not surprised the guy who posted "Equal rights equal fights" would say this.

[–]49ersanxdiety 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

The problem is that the new charges include "child endangerment". Whatever is fucked up between Ray and her is separate from those and they are the most damning.

[–]LionssweaterWeather2 -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

Child endangerment is separate from child abuse.

[–]49ersanxdiety 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Correct. That's why I said "child endangerment". We do not know the details but that charge is the most damning because whether Ray was defending himself or being the attacker it was still deemed to be dangerous to the child. So it's a safe presumption that Ray did something, what we do not know just that it was dangerous to a kid.

[–]LionssweaterWeather2 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

I get what you're saying. But it can be both ways. She pulled a gun on him before but since she was pregnant and the baby was physically there she didn't receive child endangerment. It's a slippery slope.

[–]49ersanxdiety -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

It is a very slippery slope. A lot of people are damning Ray for not getting away from the situation entirely, but are neglecting that it's his child in the mix. Hate on deadbeat fathers not being there for their children and at the same time expect them not to put themselves in those situations to get abused. There's no easy answer.

[–]Patriotsrespaaaaaj 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah but child endangerment can only go one way. And lets not pretend that the Bears owner going straight to victim blaming has anything to do with MRA shit. Its business asscovering.

[–]LionssweaterWeather2 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

And endangerment is different than abuse. People see that and automatically assume he hit his child when that's not the case.