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[–]sirpellinorMagyar best nomad 184ポイント185ポイント  (31子コメント)

What about the US forcing Japan to open her ports? Clearly the US is the bad boy, remove pretend-isolationalist imperialism!

[–]RPM123MA's Thirteen 71ポイント72ポイント  (25子コメント)

Ugh, Japan just shoulda opened her ports in the first place. And do you remember the last time Japan tried to build an empire?

[–]Halorecon95Greater Netherlands 52ポイント53ポイント  (24子コメント)

They opened their ports only after Commodore Perry started to threaten the Japanese with his ironclads. The Japanese had been trading peacefully with the Dutch, and only the Dutch, for years and they didnt see any reason to change this. All the bad things Japan did with modern technology could, again COULD, be atributed to American imperialism. But we will never know.

[–]-ArkennonAustralia 80ポイント81ポイント  (8子コメント)

I mean how could you expect a country late to develop its industry not to rape Nanking? The city was practically begging for it!

For what it's worth, Japan was actually looking fairly promising right up until about the First World War, when the country began to slip into the grip of the military. They certainly weren't on that track straight off the bat in the 1850s.

[–]QuofNorth Carolina 29ポイント30ポイント  (2子コメント)

Holy fucking SHIT the Japanese military after WWI pisses of me so much. Hoooly shit. I would like everyone to read this wikipedia page about the Japanese Prime Minister before World War 2, Inukai Tsuyoshi. He was desperately trying to improve relationships with china. He was desperately trying to save his country. And then some fucking 20 year old Navy men came in and shot him. He said 話せばわかる, which means "if we talk we'lll understand each other". They say "there's no point" and shoot him. Holy shit. My blood boils. A peaceful old man trying to make things right getting murdered by imperialistic FUCKWADS. Imperialistic 20 YEAR OLDS. Argh! And then WWII happened and Japan got fucking destroyed. I want to laugh about the karma but the situation just sucks for EVERYONE. God.

[–]That_Hobo_in_The_TubThe land of the coal and the home of the lumber. 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

So basically if there was any one reason for japan's involvement in ww2, it's those assholes?

[–]QuofNorth Carolina 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a clusterfuck of such proportions that it's impossible to pin blame on any one person... but yes, the May 15 incident in which Inukai was assassinated pretty much ensured Japan would be involved in the wrong side of WW2, as it marked the end of a civilian government not firmly under the control of the military (As seen by Hideki fuckin' Tojo, the general responsible for Pearl Harbor, being prime minister from 1941-1944). A military which firmly believed in Japanese Imperialism, the conquest of China, etc.

[–]AngryWatchmaker 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wow victim blaming? Really? Don't trigger me!

[–]Wizzad 38ポイント39ポイント  (0子コメント)

REMOVE MEME REMOVE MEME YOU ARE OF WORST LIGHT HUMOR YOU ARE OF HUMOR SMELL

[–]FrancisGallowaySic Semper Tyrannis 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean look at what she was wearing! Come on, Nanking was asking for it.

[–]CptBigglesworthPint of porter and half a pork pie 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe we shouldn't have given them those German colonies. It gave them a taste for sweet blood money colonialism.

[–]Red_OktoberfestVatican City 4ポイント5ポイント  (8子コメント)

I blame the tentacle porn. Its always been there.

The next big Japanese war is gonna have giant robots too man.

[–]tungstencomptonUniquely Singapore 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

They import Red Alert 3 into the Vatican?!

[–]Red_OktoberfestVatican City 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

Dude. We got it first. Straight from heaven to earth.

[–]tungstencomptonUniquely Singapore 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

heaven

Eeeeehhhhhhhh

RA2 + YR for life

[–]Red_OktoberfestVatican City 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Even our lord makes mistakes.

[–]tungstencomptonUniquely Singapore 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

That doesn't sound very zealous of you. Turn in your tiara.

[–]Red_OktoberfestVatican City 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Do you know how many fucking nerds I smoked to get this silly hat? They'll pry it off my cold dead head.

[–]Archive_of_Madness 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Actually the tentacle porn came from the brits, Japan just went nuts with it.

[–]votelikeimhot 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

pretty sure we do.know...

[–]GreatGreen286Ontario 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Can we really say that, if the Americans didn't do it, its whats to say the British, French of Russians would have done the same.

Edit: I've left the original post to as not confuse people

Can we really say that if it wasn't for the Americans, Japan wouldn't have become an imperialist power. With other empires expanding in Asia during the same time as Admiral Perry's visit to Japan (Such as Russia, Great Britain and France) its entirely possible that Japan could have been forced to open up its ports due by some other Great Power.

[–]tungstencomptonUniquely Singapore 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

If I kick a homeless man in the gut and steal his change, can I justify it by saying that some other asshole would have done so? I'll never understand this argument.

If you want to say that they conducted themselves better with their imperialism there are metrics to do so (they have their fair share of atrocities in the Philippines, among other places), but defending the act of doing so by saying "others would've done it anyway" is specious at best.

[–]GreatGreen286Ontario 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I by no means was implying that the US were somehow nicer or conducted themselves any better, rather saying that it was inevitable that Japan would open itself up to the rest of the world and while the blame could rest to the United States for Japans start into imperialism. But to say Japans imperialism might not have ever happened if it wasn't for the US seems specious.

Edit: Reading my original post I see how my statement was a bit improperly worded and how that might have been misenterpreted.

[–]tungstencomptonUniquely Singapore 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh yes, Japanese militarism and expansionism definitely has its own cultural strains, it was just the idea that America somehow was a better option than those eeevvviilll Yuropeans to which I had objections.

[–]hello-719Ohio 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Frankly, I think that by being forced to open up it's ports when it did was a good thing for japan. WW2 and other things aside, it's better for them to have modernized, even with all the shit that comes with it, and preserve their culture than to be colonized.

[–]AOMRocks20"Remove Japan" -Harry "Missouri stronk" Truman 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean, did you see what Japan was wearing? She was just begging to have her ports opened.

[–]ofRedditingMaryland 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

We just wanted to help them modernize. We didn't know how far they'd go. They got a little taste and they realized they liked it, before long they were hooked, there was never enough. It got to the point of raiding entire counties just to get their fix. Not everyone can handle it.

[–]PerNihilAdNihilOne Nation Under Trees! -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

what better way to inaugurate an era of 'free trade' than at literal gunpoint?

lol

"american exceptionalism" indeed

[–]tungstencomptonUniquely Singapore 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

They learned well from their dad and his friends.

[–]rindindinUnknown 78ポイント79ポイント  (2子コメント)

Reading through the comments, people seemed to have forgotten:

don't take polandball so seriously

Besides, we all know Japan's on its period again. Look at that red splot in the middle.

[–]newtothelyteCuba 31ポイント32ポイント  (1子コメント)

If people get butthurt about this, then they shouldn't visit this sub anymore. This is about as tame as it comes

[–]tungstencomptonUniquely Singapore 65ポイント66ポイント  (17子コメント)

remove sushi REMOVE SUSHI yuo are the worst japanese of the...ah fuck it, I can't be bothered.

[–]LocnilBut why not a ball 29ポイント30ポイント  (16子コメント)

remove sushi REMOVE SUSHI yuo are the worst japanese

...There's a better Japanese?

[–]MaserPhaserEh? 48ポイント49ポイント  (9子コメント)

Mainland Japanese of course! Or "China" as you might call them.

[–]tc1991Tyne And Wear 28ポイント29ポイント  (1子コメント)

No No Mainland Japan is Korea

[–]TrauermarschJoseon 28ポイント29ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am of offend! I SHALL SENDINGS MANY FANS TO YOUR HOUSE!

[–]vincentmaiWe Are Rising. 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

I prefer island Chinese.

[–]Jawado116Palestine 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

You mean Taiwan?

[–]vincentmaiWe Are Rising. 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Apply to all East Asian countries except Mongolia.

[–]AndarnioSwärje 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

even south korea?

[–]That_Hobo_in_The_TubThe land of the coal and the home of the lumber. 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

North korea is sea of glory.

[–]batmaaangChinatex 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Canada best Canada! I gibe trade deals.

[–]tungstencomptonUniquely Singapore 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Quoth the old saying, the only good ones...

[–]OllieGarkeyDC Can Into State 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

*glare *

[–]sabasNLNetherlands best lands! 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

...are those that don't eat raw fish.

[–]tungstencomptonUniquely Singapore 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ehh, close enough. I don't like sashimi.

[–]likesdarkgreenTexas 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sashimi for one

[–]CrocPBFreedom's back bitches and Sturgeon is ma waifu! 42ポイント43ポイント  (11子コメント)

Ugh, just fuck each other the lot o' ye!

[–]rindindinUnknown 21ポイント22ポイント  (10子コメント)

American's too big (about 9 million Sq.Km.) for Japan (about 350 Sq.Km). Just won't fit!

[–]rfowlePennsylvania 41ポイント42ポイント  (2子コメント)

Florida is 170,304 sq km so we should be fine

[–]kami232German Empire 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Japan couldn't handle Florida's girth.

[–]Nukem_From_OrbitMURICA 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

Lube it with the tears of North Korea.

[–]rindindinUnknown 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sorry, Cuba recently took over as the position of fluffer and luber.

[–]CrocPBFreedom's back bitches and Sturgeon is ma waifu! 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

It can try ;)

[–]batmaaangChinatex 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Eh, I'm sure that's one of Japan's (many) fetishes.

[–]1f90304Maryland 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

350 square kilometers seems a bit small...

[–]MadlockFreakI am become Earth, Destroyer of Death 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well there is Cape Cod, (880 km2)

[–]waadkinsUnited Kingdom 25ポイント26ポイント  (13子コメント)

Seriously though, do Japanese people here feel any sort of grudge with Americans?

I once met an Argentinian on my degree's year out, and she just hated me and I couldn't not conclude as to why. My 'Union Flag' (Union Jack) shirt was probably the giveaway there.

[–]dtwnNeeds a monocle. 16ポイント17ポイント  (6子コメント)

Worked in Japan for a while. For the most part, there's no hate for the States at all. They mostly think it's pretty cool, pretty dangerous, pretty weird, and pretty fat. Not too different from the attitudes towards America on Polandball.

Many of them would like to visit, but not to live there.

[–]tak-in-the-boxNumber one victim of Chile's seafood diet 21ポイント22ポイント  (4子コメント)

Relevant

[–]KnightModernSmoke Country 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

the comic where poland is a thief instead of a plumber

[–]RainDownMyBluesMURICA 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Woo! I forgot about his comics. Time to catch up. They're awesome! :D

[–]ToTheNintiethChile 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Daw.

[–]WaffleAmongTheFenceMURICA 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

America and Japan #1 transpacific bros.

[–]CIV_QUICKCASHFlorida 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hit the nail on the head with that description.

[–]Alvargon75Spanish Empire 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

There´s two words to explain that: Islas Malvinas

[–]tc1991Tyne And Wear 52ポイント53ポイント  (1子コメント)

Gosh you really misspelt FALKLAND ISLANDS

[–]Alvargon75Spanish Empire 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fuck you pirate!

[–]probable_alcoholicOhio 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why were you visiting the south lands? You know only the USA will put up with your bullshit. Ha!

[–]waadkinsUnited Kingdom 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

My mistake, I wasn't in South-USA, I was in Oz (my favourite of the colonies).

[–]HarrisSinclairScotland 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is one of the many perks being Scottish exempts you from for some reason

[–]Halorecon95Greater Netherlands 24ポイント25ポイント  (2子コメント)

Japan's response to that: Commodore Matthew Calbraith Perry.

[–]coldpipeIndonesia 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Anime"

[–]cecilterwilliger420Thirteen Colonies 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You leave that nice Rhode Island boy out of it. We don't have a lot of important historical figures. He's about it. And I guess Roger williams who has a pretty nice statue in Geneva.

[–]MortalSphereLithuania 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

Is 'Murica slowly becoming cyclops now?

[–]BroloniousJoey Vento is my Spirit Animal 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

The fat crowds the eyes together.

[–]TomKiiskEstonia 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Meanwhile Japan has become wide-eyed.

[–]TheScamr[🍰] 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Why you no ennrish?

[–]SunnyChowHong Kong 5ポイント6ポイント  (7子コメント)

As far as I know, atomic bomb in that day is just as destructive as formal bombing. The difference is, formal bombing requires 1000 bombers but atomic bomb just need one

[–]HoboBruteMissouri 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

The initial destruction was similar, but the long lasting effects of Nukes were absolutely horrifying

[–]KerbalrocketryYTBritish Empire 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

Slight diffrence though, 1000 bombers is overkill. A equivilent toneage of TNT bombing allows civilians to survive the bombing, and allows people to return to the area after the bombing.

But yeah the USA compares flattening several sqaure miles of city to an attack on a naval base. Talks about their priorities really.

[–]tc1991Tyne And Wear 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

we can't really criticize bombing overkill though...

[–]KerbalrocketryYTBritish Empire 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah we can, any kind of strategic bombing is overkill. It likely had little effect on the course of the war and didn't have the intended effect to demoralise civilians.

But yeah, arson was a british speciality during the war...

[–]Seriouslybrochill 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

keep touting your imaginary super civilized war machine England. Keep on keeping

[–]Seriouslybrochill 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Incendiaries, You and Dresden all you need to know about creating a vacuum that sucks the air out of the area and deny all life oxygen while slowly roasting to death .

[–]Seriouslybrochill 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

"The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them. At Rotterdam, London, Warsaw and half a hundred other places, they put their rather naive theory into operation. They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind." Man those bloodthirsty Amer... oh wait

[–]vincentmaiWe Are Rising. 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Remove Japs.

[–]ama_deoPoland can into Ebola 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Remove Tibet.

~ China 1951-20??

[–]SPARTAN_TOASTERUnited States 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Remove Tibet.

~ China 1951-3???

FTFY

[–]ToTheNintiethChile 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

In my experience, Americans bring up Pearl Harbor way more often than Japanese do the nukings.

[–]ZebulonPike13California 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

When have you heard Americans ever bring up Pearl Harbor?

[–]MrQuiggles 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

THINGS WOULD BE SO MUCH BETTER IF YOU'D STOP WITH THE PORN CENSORING JAPAN

[–]Pitpit7Old Europe 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Definitively the biggest crime against humanity since the Holocaust. Shame on you Japan!

[–]protohomBharat 22ポイント23ポイント  (232子コメント)

Yep, Pearl Harbour was the justification for nuking cities and refusing them treatment for 'unconditional' surrender.

[–]CurlyNippleHairs 110ポイント111ポイント  (185子コメント)

No I think World War 2 was justification for that. Human rights went out the window a long time before the nukes dropped.

[–]CookieMan0Colorado 10ポイント11ポイント  (5子コメント)

Human rights went out the window a long time before the nukes dropped.

R A P E O F N A N K I N G

[–]PerNihilAdNihilOne Nation Under Trees! 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

T R A I L O F T E A R S

[–]tungstencomptonUniquely Singapore 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

T H I R D P U N I C W A R

Forgive me for skipping a few steps.

[–]StrangelumpGermany 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Never forget

[–]ElectricZMURICA 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Never forget what again?

[–]ComradeHavoc 41ポイント42ポイント  (27子コメント)

You have no idea how many more people would have died with a land invasion of Japan, and how much longer the war would have been drawn out. Anyway google search "dresden bombing", makes nukes seem a lot more humane.

[–]I_NEED_YOUR_COOKIES1939 worst year of my life 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

This is false.

Japan was already in the process of writing up some sort of peace with the yanks, american submarines already had cut off most of the Japanese Empire from the island, and as such, they would have starved to death soon, just like Britan would if the germans had a considerable naval blockade or didn't accidentally give away the secrets of the naval(hint:magnetic) mine, the Island archipelago isn't nearly enough to sustain the population.

[–]CIV_QUICKCASHFlorida 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

The thing is, even when Japan agreed to an unconditional surrender hundreds of military officers committed suicide because they would rather die than accept defeat, and even when the peace was agreed upon there was an attempted coup to prevent the surrender from happening. Japan wasn't quite defeated when they surrendered, at least by Imperial Japanese standards. Invading would've made a very messy clusterfuck as the armed forces and government fragment, many separate groups moving on to (likely with relative effectiveness) fight their own wars while the civilian population takes an even greater toll from starvation and general damage caused to what was left of the islands. The bombings were an important factor in a very clean and safe ending to the Pacific front, along with demonstrating their destructive power and preventing any governments from dropping the first bombs when they have a lot more.

[–]Traim -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

You have no idea

So do you.

[–]The_GrubgrubMURICA[🍰] 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, we have estimates.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Downfall#Estimated_casualties

This doesn't even consider the Japanese casualties. Our plan was to divide and conquer, and many more civilians would have died due to starvation than from the nukes. I read estimates from another website (I'm sorry, can't provide a source here, if someone can find an estimate, please post it) putting civilian casualties to at least millions.

[–]bestrtsplayerBey caught me jihadin' 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Pearl Harbour .

[–]tungstencomptonUniquely Singapore 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's spelled "Harbor" because 'Murica.

[–]BroloniousJoey Vento is my Spirit Animal 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

America didn't need justification for nuking Japan. It's not like we have to explain ourselves to lesser nations.

[–]DiplomjodlerGermany World Champion 3ポイント4ポイント  (13子コメント)

Well no, it was more of a convenient pretext. But it's really funny how it still seems to be some sort of national trauma for many Americans.

[–]safarispiffHong Kong 19ポイント20ポイント  (12子コメント)

It was an unprovoked attack on a state in a heavily isolationist stance and it set off the conflict that turned the US into a superpower. I'd say the importance lent to it is very appropriate.

[–]WilliamzasLithuania 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wasn't WWI what made the US powerful?

[–]safarispiffHong Kong 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Arguably, the US became a great power by the turn of the century. WWII is what started the whole period of American hegemony.

[–]DiplomjodlerGermany World Champion 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

Wrong. It was just the spark that blew up the powder keg. The conflict between Japan and the US had been brewing for a long time.

[–]safarispiffHong Kong 14ポイント15ポイント  (8子コメント)

But the Japanese didn't have to attack the US. The US was not actively provoking Japan save for lending aid to enemies of its allies for the purpose of fighting a war on the other side of the planet.

[–]tungstencomptonUniquely Singapore 5ポイント6ポイント  (7子コメント)

Except for the small matter of the oil embargo which would have destroyed its economy.

If Japan had gotten its head out of its ass and stopped interfering in China it probably wouldn't have needed to do it, but even then they were too far gone with militarism and expansionism.

[–]safarispiffHong Kong 14ポイント15ポイント  (4子コメント)

The oil embargo that was put in place for attacking the US's ally, China, and for the Rape of Nanking.
The US was not obligated to continue selling oil to the Japanese and to continue enabling Japanese militarism and atrocities, but the Japanese wouldn't play ball so the US did have to stop selling them oil.

[–]duelistgamerUnited Empires of Scandinavia, Brittania and Italia 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sorry, but that's quite revisionist.

The US and RoC were cordial friends at best, and not allies.

It wasn't because of the invasion of China that the embargo was put. It was because tensions between Japan and the US were already high under Hirohito's rule. The Japanese troops were indisciplined, and during the invasion they accidentally (some argue it was intentional) sunk the USS Panay, and US-Japan relationships only continued to deteriorate (Allison incident, troops looting American settlements etc) thereafter. Their embargo wasn't an altruistic one, it was mostly seen as a good opportunity to hit out at the Japanese and to curb their excessive militant ambitions.

There was a long history of tensions between Japan and the US over foreign policy in China. Most of the western powers only saw China as a trade partner to be exploited, and the Japanese rejection of the Open Door Policy and control of Manchuria only served to hurt US interests in the area. Any further conquest would seriously weaken the West's trade with China, as Japan at that time was very much considered to be a world power (thanks to the Russo-Japanese war).

It wasn't out of sympathy for the Chinese, and please don't portray it as that. That was only a convenient pretext.

[–]safarispiffHong Kong 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ok, you seem to be more knowledgable, I will defer to you.

[–]tungstencomptonUniquely Singapore 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Accounting for reasons why Japan resorted to the ends it did is not the same thing as justifying them. Given my family history I would be the last person to make a case for Japanese expansionism.

[–]safarispiffHong Kong 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wasn't, the second half of your comment made your intentions clear, I was just stating in case.
Although the point could be made that if, say, Japan had not attacked Pearl Harbor and simply stuck with invading British and Dutch posessions in Asia, the population of the United States would not have had such a fervor in signing up for war, even if the US decided that it was enough cause for war.

[–]Houdini_Dees_NutsNorth Carolina 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Embargoes are not a pretext for war, if that were the case the U.S. Would've bombed the shit out of the OPEC counties during the 70s.

[–]tungstencomptonUniquely Singapore 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Like I said, I'm not justifying their actions. Furthermore the context of Japan in 1941 =/= that of the USA in the 1970s, especially in terms of aims and resource requirements.

[–]ElectricZMURICA 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

None of this would have happened if Kirk Douglas hadn't recalled the strike force back to the Nimitz.

Thanks, Kirk!

[–]the_brown_stocktonPakistan 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

pearl harbor was allowed to happen so that we had a pretense for joining the war just like 9/11

[–]polioperativeAMAMURICA 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Jet dreams cant met dank memes.

[–]tungstencomptonUniquely Singapore 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

Roosevelt knew about 12/7! Zero Fighters can't sink aircraft carriers!

[–]S-B312 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Roosevelt did 12/7! 12/7 was a part time job!!!!!

[–]tungstencomptonUniquely Singapore 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

REMOVE ROOSEVELT THE LIAR FROM RUSHMORE PREMISES

[–]zeniizJapan 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reading this thread makes me lose hope in polandball. So many people down voting for disagreeing with someone, this might as well be /r/news.