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Mods threaten strike, Chaos Looms (self.SubredditDrama)

Alexsandr13 が 投稿

Alright /r/subredditdrama, start popping the corn.

For more then a while now the mods over at r/LoL have been facing a growing insurrection, with hostility growing daily especially in regards to specific public faces in the LoL community as can be seen here Hijacked Mod Thread as well as here the "Richard Lewis" incident

This has come to a head recently with the mods posting a vote and ultimatum as can be seen here basically threatening to leave and have the community unmoderated for a week.

Bonus Butter These links document the short-lived idea of founding and running a pro LoL team entirely through Reddit donations and administration.

It was as you might expect an unmitigated disaster.

Enjoy.

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[–]NurglingsWould Jesus support US taxes on Bitcoin earnings? 131ポイント132ポイント  (28子コメント)

I really hope they go the no moderation route.

[–]Alexsandr13[S] 78ポイント79ポイント  (26子コメント)

As do I, as much for the social experiment as anything else.

[–]NurglingsWould Jesus support US taxes on Bitcoin earnings? 70ポイント71ポイント  (4子コメント)

/r/f7u12 tried it and the results were amazing

[–]TheIdesOfLurchu/TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK alt 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow, how did I miss this? Fan fucking tastic.

[–]lurker093287h 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh god I remember that, but not this

A quick reminder: this occurred months before the word "le" was banned from rage comics. You have been warned.

I have hiccups from laughing so much.

[–]Hammer_of_truthinessJet fuel can't melt magic beanstalks 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I reread that one periodically. Just utterly brilliant.

[–]ifonefoxthis circlejerk has been banned 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

And everyone forgets how amazing /r/atheism was right before they started moderating.

[–]BuckeyeSundaedid nazi that coming 22ポイント23ポイント  (20子コメント)

Last I checked, a rather substantial majority was in favor of some form of a mod-free week. (70%+)

[–]lenaro 46ポイント47ポイント  (1子コメント)

I stand with the mods; I just want to see a mod-free "week" (call it 2 days tops) because it'll be hilarious.

I'm especially looking forward to the reaction of Rioters as soon as they realize what's happening and try to distance themselves from the sub.

[–]cuddles_the_destroyeAll hail the oberführerin! 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mods have stepped back, post Dota 2 pics. And Teemo. People still hate Teemo, right?

[–]HowDoIWhatisn't sure what's going on 6ポイント7ポイント  (14子コメント)

I actually didn't expect it to be that high.

Didn't the poll have two different options regarding no-mod week? One is just "with sitewide rules and pre-existing content bans enforced" and the other is "the same, except with submissions and comments over [x] reports getting removed by AutoMod". With the "Yes" votes being split between the two options, is it still likely that that's going to pass?

Ed. Then I thought about it and there's no way to split a vote so that "No" wins if "Yes" has 70.

[–]jcpbCrowdfunding's Pro Crypto-Fascist 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think this is how the vote might end up going:

  1. Check the vote totals of the "No" option versus the sum of the two "Yes" options. If the former wins, the sub's mods are pigeonholed as usual. Otherwise, see #2.

  2. Check which of the two "Yes" options has the most votes, and run the sub with said option for one week.

Like the majority of SRD, I want to see this mod-free "week" go live, because I can't wait to watch a repeat of f7u12 in real time. Hahaha.

[–]BuckeyeSundaedid nazi that coming 8ポイント9ポイント  (12子コメント)

You're right that there were two options. They are currently split 48-24.5. No is at 27.5%.

What's more, we're perfectly able to see how much influence--if any--brigading might have had on the result. Currently, 3.5% of all people who clicked the google link came from "np.reddit" sources. That number had been shrinking steadily since its high of around 8% on the first day of the poll. Around a third (33.15%) of those who have clicked the googlelink did NOT submit a vote. This vote is overwhelmingly the community's, alone.

[–]LiterallyKeshaOriginal Creator of SubredditDrama 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wow, that is definitive proof of brigading. I was going to ask where you got the numbers but then I noticed your username.

I was also reading through some discussion about this on /r/RichardFuckingLewis and there were suggestions flying around to vote YES and then try to get as many people over to their subreddit during the hiatus period through sub linking.

[–]BuckeyeSundaedid nazi that coming 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

We don't prohibit people from promoting their subreddits, so that's really odd. So long as people aren't spamming it, it should be fine to talk about even with mods moderating. Oh well, if they feel like they need to wait for a mod-free week to promote their subreddit, whatever.

Edit: oh, lol. I actually had zero idea that /r/Richardfuckinglewis was linked to RiotFreeLoL. I honestly thought it was a completely different subreddit.

[–]PapaJackyIt Could Be Worse 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Here's a question, when does the voting stop and the decision to go ahead with the week or backdown is made?

[–]BuckeyeSundaedid nazi that coming 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, we were planning on letting the vote go for about a week. That way we can get a reasonable cross section of the community that isn't based as harshly on what day of the week they frequent the subreddit.

[–]HowDoIWhatisn't sure what's going on 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think the mods said they wanted at least a week for voting to make sure as much people as possible got their say? So four days from now at the earliest is my guess.

[–]HowDoIWhatisn't sure what's going on 4ポイント5ポイント  (6子コメント)

Out of curiosity, what kind of data will you be looking for during no-mod week, if it passes?

[–]adagiosummoner 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

I plan to document types of posts that hit the front page, their frequency of appearance on the front page, and then look at the top 3-5 top-level comments on each one. In those, I will be looking for memes, gifs, good discussion, off-topic circlejerking, and other things.

Basically, which things are getting upvoted and whether they get voted disproportionately to other types of content.

[–]LiterallyKeshaOriginal Creator of SubredditDrama 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

I've been documenting blatant shitposts from the frontpage in the past.

http://imgur.com/a/VucLK#0

Here is an album with 3 of them. I've seen a lot more though.

[–]adagiosummoner 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

"Shitpost" is a really vague statement to make about any post that someone personally thinks is "shit. I"m going to be looking at things like "meme post", "Pasted head video", "LCS big plays", "Caster puns", and stuff like that.

I can't work with data that just says "shitpost". I need to figure out exactly what makes the content a problem, or not a problem at all, so we can all look at it the same way from a rules standpoint.

It'd be silly to go into a discussion about this with just "Yeah, there were a lot of shitposts." I'd rather say "Well, here's the types of content that were upvoted the most and made their way on the front page most often." For example, say there was 40% tweets, 10% memes, 20% pasted head/subtitle videos, 10% esports news, 5% PBE news, 5% gameplay discussion, and 10% posts completely unrelated to league.

Which would you rather see when looking at the aftermath of mod free week?

[–]LiterallyKeshaOriginal Creator of SubredditDrama 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

I wasn't making a criticism or anything. Those posts got removed by the mods fairly quickly. I'm more disappointed that the community shot them up there in the first place. I said shitposts because they are literally devoid of content and feature like one or two words such as "simon" or "frontpage". Memeposts and such are different IMO.

I'm looking forward to your analysis btw. I voted yes in the poll because you guys def deserve a break. This is also a bonus for the entirety of the website to conduct this experiment. The "let the users decide" folks might be hiding but they were definitely loud during past drama and need to face the facts.

[–]BuckeyeSundaedid nazi that coming 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

If it passes? I'll be taking the week off and playing some league of legends. I played my first ranked game yesterday in like 6 weeks. Finally stopped the decay. I take my play seriously. :D

[–]melete 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm in favor of it because I want to watch the sub burn.

[–]SamWhite 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Seriously? Because even as an SRD'er with half an eye on the dramastorm that would result, I voted no. Who the fuck wants this? Well, it should be interesting.

[–]Difushal 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I voted yes purely for the chaos factor.

[–]celocanth13I bet you like memes 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Same, just to add another bit of proof as to why reddit needs moderation.

[–]hbnsckl 20ポイント21ポイント  (3子コメント)

119 net upvotes with a controversy dagger.

Damn.

[–]KazitronMaxin Shillaxin 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

controversy dagger

That's what that is? I always thought it was supposed to be like those death date symbols on gravestones.

[–]Caisha 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was implemented like six months ago or so, it's to note which comments are controversial. They started it when they removed our ability to see the exact number of upvotes and downvotes.

[–]KillerPotato_BMW 16ポイント17ポイント  (8子コメント)

"Richard Lewis" incident

The Comedian?

[–]Alexsandr13[S] 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

a public face in the League of Legends scene and writer for the Daily Dot e-magazine - no relation to the comedian

[–]observer_december 28ポイント29ポイント  (5子コメント)

Dammit, you capitalized "The Comedian", and I thought we were going to talk about Watchmen and I got excited.

[–]MissSwat 13ポイント14ポイント  (4子コメント)

Right? I was thinking "No, that's not his real name, is it? It's been too long since I read Watchmen."

[–]Alexsandr13[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

Have you read the "before the watchmen" series? I'm kinda scared to touch it.

[–]TheIdesOfLurchu/TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK alt 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Stay away. Watchmen is a masterpiece, grafting shit onto it went as well as you would expect.

[–]Alexsandr13[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

frack, thanks for the warning

[–]CanamaGeneral of le reddit army 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't understand who thought that was a good idea. Everything in Watchmen exists for the purpose of advancing the story and theming of Watchmen. You can't add on stuff after the fact, because it can't mesh. Watchmen's characters and environments aren't just characters or environments, they're plot devices. Divorced from their intended plot, they're nothing. You can't do anything interesting with them.

[–]turtleeatingalderman 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

The comedian from hell.

[–]Not_A_Doctor__ 24ポイント25ポイント  (6子コメント)

If the mods leave, let's spend a week posting about potential olive stuffings. Oh, we can post about pimento-themed holiday suggestions as well.

[–]Patrik333Drama 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is spooky I am eating olives right at this very moment but they are hollow and unstuffed. They are in a pesto though so it is okay. I like garlic stuffed green olives best, but black olives are nice too.

[–]JEH0VAHG0D 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

I love olives! I prefer Greek olives but not unpitted. They taste funny when they are pitted.

[–]JehovahsHitlist 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

I quite agree, olives with stones are fantastic. Stuffed ones are good too though. And ground olive makes an amazing dip!

[–]JEH0VAHG0D 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Howdy Brother long time no see!

[–]ohgoodOfficial Lurker 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Are you guys talking about tapenade over here?

[–]JehovahsHitlist 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hell yes I am. I could eat myself silly on that stuff.

[–]pargmegarg 57ポイント58ポイント  (20子コメント)

The mod hate in that subreddit and on Reddit in general is so absurdly unwarranted. Aside from the Richard Lewis incident that subreddit is incredibly maintained. Never had a problem with what gets to the front page and what gets removed. But the community is so fucking entitled as to what they get from unpaid volunteers.

[–]z1967So who wants to start up popcoin? 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

Its a MOBA community. What do people honestly expect, rainbows and happiness? Nah, toxic waste with anthrax sprinkled on top for everyone :p

[–]LiterallyKeshaOriginal Creator of SubredditDrama 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hey, it wasn't always like this. The userbase on reddit was a bit more mature than the 12 year olds on the official forum. Now that the subreddit has become bigger than the forum itself and the go-to place for LoL discussion we are seeing the results of that demographic.

[–]Deutschbury 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

And it's not like Richard Lewis didn't bring it upon himself. Dude was incredibly toxic and demeaning towards other users.

[–]raminusshill ya later harassagator 40ポイント41ポイント  (11子コメント)

redditors are obsessed with the whole mod abuse/censorship narrative, even if in most cases it's largely fictitious. I frankly can't understand how moderators do it. On most internet forums moderating would be bad enough, but here on reddit? Outside of tiny niche subreddits I feel it'd be so incredibly unceasingly aggravating. I would really start to resent the website and average user if I was so exposed to both the content that needs to be removed and the vitriolic receptions in the mainstream. Talk about a nasty thankless job. Patience of saints, the lot (well, most)

[–]Synavix 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

I've never moderated on reddit, and it's been a few years since I've done it at all... but back when I was into it heavily on a few gaming websites it was actually pretty rewarding. This was on older, "standard" forum boards (much better for real discussion and thus easier to mod). Users actually took the time to get to know you, people were less likely to create accounts just to be jackasses and troll (it happened from time to time, but it wasn't worth it for them), and because there was a better sense of community (often individual boards were more focused, lots of sub-boards, more desire to contribute) people were more likely to support mods instead of harass them. It was great having the influence to help shape a community, much in the same way you can with guilds in MMOs, only on a much larger scale.

[–]raminusshill ya later harassagator 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

What a pity to have lost that now. It feels like smaller forums aren't really particular widespread or notable anymore, despite their better standards of discussion or community. I'm sure they exist here and there, but it really feels like they've dropped out of the online cultural zeitgeist for me. Whenever I come across a classic forum board, I get whiffs of 2005.

[–]Isentrope 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

I've often gone back to check people's profiles out if they claim they've been unfairly banned, on the off chance that it was a mistake. It's quite frustrating because there's often a damn good reason they were banned that they are completely distorting or misrepresenting to feed a frenzy for. I'm all for free speech IRL, and I would very much oppose any attempts at some kind of legal sanction by the government against someone for merely expressing their opinions, but the /pol/ stuff that a lot of Reddit's free speech advocates want to let in is not what I think reasonable people would tolerate on an internet discussion forum.

Before I witnessed an anti-mod frenzy for the first time, I often wondered where the stories from those "retail employees, what was you worst customer experience?" threads came from, even if those were about full-time jobs. Fortunately, I will say that the vast majority of experiences responding to mail and explaining bans has been very positive. Most users have no problem being polite, or at least having a productive discussion where we can explain why we have our rules and why they were applied the way they were, as well as what they can do to allow us to lift their ban. There's also the rare mail where users thank us for moderating some of the nastier threads which have spiraled into racism. I'm certainly not willing to let a couple bad apples ruin the bunch, as it seems most people are at least willing to hear us out about why certain comments get removed.

[–]raminusshill ya later harassagator 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I just checked to see which subreddit/s it is you moderate and, goodness, /r/worldnews. Now that I imagine must be challenging at times, but I'm very glad to hear that a large amount of interaction with the community is positive and productive. Thanks for doing what you do.

[–]JEH0VAHG0D 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

I have found the opposite. A few subs have Mods that are utter a total ass clowns and nothing else.

Shoot fatpoeoplehate have some of the most hipocrital ones alive.

[–]raminusshill ya later harassagator 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah, of course the shitty ones are there. We've seen some and make fun of the meltdowns and holding subreddits hostage and all that. I guess what shocks me is how loud and indignant reddit can be over the good ones, seemingly without warrant.

[–]PapaJackyIt Could Be Worse 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

The thing you have to remember about the /r/leagueoflegends sub is that many of its users are only on Reddit for that sub, so for the most part, they are sheltered from the vast of Reddit and the myriad of mod-related-drama over the years and the slew of mod-drama that inevitably always happens. So those users tend to hold the subs mods to a different standard, usually comparing them to other forums and places of moderation and so will of course have a different perspective of things on how modding on Reddit should be handled compared to someone more learned in that topic.

But of course I'm just taking about what is probably a minority of /r/lol's userbase. People will get mad at mods for one reason or another in that sub or another. It just so happens that the mods of /r/lol have the factor I mentioned to deal with that most subs' mods don't.

[–]JEH0VAHG0D 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would have to agree with you 100% . Majority of the subs I never run into an issue but few of the "troll subs" seem to have the most hypocrical moderators alive.

[–]Nouv 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reddit is generally a pretty terrible community. I have people come into my sub who have absolutely nothing to do with the content (a specific game) and yet take offense and question every single removal, keep throwing up "hur dur censorship" messages, send me death threats, etc etc.

[–]BolshevikMuppet -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Except that sometimes the mods really are being hooting dickholes (see e.g. the SOIAF kerfuffle about the leaked episodes).

[–]vvynhttp://i.imgur.com/XzjA4xw.gif 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Of what you hear about. The reality is good, competent mods are not talked about as often as bad ones. Basic moderation is invincible to the average user and the only time it's noticed is when a sub is implementing strict rules.

[–]fourismith 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not THAT great but it's not dreadful either. The mods can be a bit inconsistent sometimes, deleting stuff that shouldn't be and not deleting stuff that should be, that's the main problem for me anyway

[–]AIex_N -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

THEY DO IT FOR FREE

FREE

[–]ttumblrbots 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

doooooogs: 1, 2 (seizure warning); 3, 4, 5, 6; send me more dogs please

want your subreddit archived?

[–]mincerray 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

The mods go Galt!

[–]4445414442454546I HATE FLAIR! F THE MODLICE! 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

For reference, here's the previous threads

[–]Alexsandr13[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks! this guy doing good work

[–]CantaloupeCamperOFFICIAL SRS liaison, next meetup is 11pm at the Hilton 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

Meta discussion is infinite by nature..... the popcorn will continue to pop..... crunch

[–]arvinarvin 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

I frequent that sub mostly for esports news but I've been keeping up with all the mod/reddit team drama. I don't really know what a strike will accomplish since it doesn't address the concerns of the community, and it just seems like a way for the mods to say "this sub is nothing without us". But I'll enjoy the ensuing drama if the vote for no moderation passes.

[–]petec456 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

it just seems like a way for the mods to say "this sub is nothing without us"

If only a few subscribers actually realise that because of the strike, than it's worth it.

[–]NotJohnStamos 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

In a sub THAT huge? No. Chaos will ensue, people will avoid it for a week then come back and continue to harp on nazi mods

[–]GoreFox 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Never before have I seen a subreddit about a video game host so much drama, butthurt and rage.

[–]KeyVapours 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe not so much but gaming communities are famously toxic.

[–]mwmwmwmwmmdwunique flair snowflake -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Never before have I seen a subreddit about a video game host so much drama, butthurt and rage.

FTFY

[–]Froghurt 4ポイント5ポイント  (6子コメント)

Just wondering: would voting on that poll be considered pissing in the popcorn, or not?

I'm guessing yes.

[–]BuckeyeSundaedid nazi that coming 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

I've been watching to see how many people piss in the popcorn. ;)

The current answer: 3.5% of those who clicked the google poll came from "np.reddit.com" and about 33% of all users who clicked don't end up voting. So the total impact of brigading from other subreddits that have linked the thread (such as /r/riotfreelol and SRD) is rather low.

[–]ShapeShiftnTrick 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

RiotFreeLoL? Christ was I this stupid when I was a kid?

[–]justcool393TotesMessenger Shill 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

How many of those users ended up voting or what option, or can you not tell?

[–]BuckeyeSundaedid nazi that coming -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

We are tracking the link referrals and real votes through different analytics tools, so the best I can give you is inference. It is likely that both users of SRD and RiotFreeLoL would largely vote yes for a mod-free week, but any more specific assertions get into speculation and outside the realm of statistical fact. It is very likely that not all users who voted from np-sources actually voted for the same option.

[–]HowDoIWhatisn't sure what's going on 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Probably. I've been actively commenting in that linked thread for a while now. Hopefully, that doesn't get misconstrued as pissing.

[–]Alexsandr13[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

tbh i think it would be a drop in the bucket at this point

[–]JF425 0ポイント1ポイント  (13子コメント)

So how "big" is LoL versus other online multiplayer games? Bigger than WoW at its peak?

[–]HowDoIWhatisn't sure what's going on 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

From a Google search, World of Warcraft appears to have peaked at 12 million subscribers in 2010. Riot Games says on their website

League of Legends by player numbers: 67 million playing every month, 27 million playing every day, and over 7.5 million playing at the same time during each day’s peak play time.

If either or both of these numbers are incorrect or misleading, please correct me.

[–]SevenLightpm me your dicks pls 8ポイント9ポイント  (8子コメント)

WoW at its peak boasted 12 mil subscribers, if I remember correctly. Riot's figures say that 27 million people play League each day, and 67 million total players play the game each month. It's huge, but it's helped by it's free-to-play model. If I have a random urge to play WoW, I'm put off by the fact I'd need to resub for a month. If I have the same urge to play League, I just open it and see if my friends are online.

[–]JF425 5ポイント6ポイント  (7子コメント)

Holy fucking shit that's huge. 67 million? That's goddamn jaw dropping.

[–]LiterallyKeshaOriginal Creator of SubredditDrama 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

It's definitely the largest online game in the world.

[–]JF425 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

ok, that's kind of the description I was looking for. I asked this in another thread, but it didn't get answered. Is this the same game that is super popular in S. Korea and teams from that country tend to dominate?

[–]LiterallyKeshaOriginal Creator of SubredditDrama 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yes. The other big game like this is Starcraft 2 that the Koreans dominate. But Starcraft is not as large compared to League of Legends.

[–]JF425 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

OK. I'm googling but I can't confirm this but I think one of those two games held their championship/major tournament in Seattle recently.

[–]LiterallyKeshaOriginal Creator of SubredditDrama 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Not sure on this. League held its Final match of the tournament in Korea but the matches leading up to it were held in different countries. It might have even been DOTA 2 that you are thinking of. because they had a final recently.

[–]JF425 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

DOTA 2, according to google, is the big winner.

Also, I really wish there was a way for me to interrupt your responses with the claim "this place's 'bout to..."

[–]HowDoIWhatisn't sure what's going on 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

The International DotA 2 World Championship traditionally happens in Seattle, but it hasn't happened yet this year. DotA's the largest game in terms of prize pools - Valve puts up a base amount (1.6 million USD) and opens it up to crowdfunding.

Last year's prize pool was a little below $11 million, and this year's is sitting around $8.7 million and there's still quite a ways to go before the event.

In terms of playerbase, though, no game comes close to LoL.

[–]lenaro 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

At least ... 3 times bigger.

[–]Alexsandr13[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

max wow subscribers 11 million vs estimated monthly players of LOL per month 67 million

[–]bingren 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

WoW required a $50 buy-in for the vanilla game plus each expansion (though the older material gets pretty cheap once the new expansion comes out), plus $12-15 a month for the subscription. LoL is "free," so it was inevitably going to get way, way more popular, especially with younger kids that struggle to commit that much money to video games.

[–]McCaberHere's the thing... 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Chaos Looms

Squad broken!

[–]ngxp 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

MOBAs are a sign of decadence and depravity in a society.

[–]Jintoboy -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't want to say it, but I have to be honest. If you play a MOBA, I tend to think lesser of you. Is it hypocritical that I play other video games? Yeah. It's just that MOBA communities are so god damn toxic. Everyone and their mom is a rager, and whenever I used to play Dota/LoL/HoN, it was honestly like playing with a bunch of children on either side, including me sometimes.

I stopped. It was just bad for my mental well being. If you think about it, most of the time (at least for me), when I started a session, I was pretty happy (or at least ambivalent), but by the time I quit, I was usually seething or dissapointed. Why willingly dedicate a portion of your day getting angry?

Left the MOBA scene and haven't regretted it once.

On the business side of things, the MOBA genre, in my opinion, is a bubble. There are so many competitors springing up. The very first commercialized game was Demigod. Then came league of legends. Heroes of Newerth. Dota. And now there's a marvel themed Moba? A blizzard Moba?

The market's oversaturated, and it's maybe got a two or three years before it runs out of steam. Too much drama, and infighting in its own community. "Why isn't eSports taken seriously??" See the linked thread.

[–]ngxp 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think it's because you either are part of the toxic community or tolerate the toxic community if you play a moba. Otherwise you would've left already.

The MOBA esports thing is sooooo overblown. Like dozens of teams of multiple members competing for purses equaling essentially less than one freshman professional baller. So much effort for the smallest of potatoes.

[–]Jintoboy -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah I'm just not a fan of Mobas. Already left. eh.