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[–]CuriousRob 116ポイント117ポイント  (58子コメント)

Two arguments I hear from people who don't like mandatory helmet laws:

1) "It's actually safer to ride without a helmet because they obstruct your vision." Asphalt grinding your eyeball to a gelatinous goop will obstruct your vision even more. No well-fitted helmet will obstruct your vision significantly.

2) "But it's too hot in the summer to wear a helmet!" Lay your bare face on the asphalt on a hot day, then have someone drag you by your feet a few yards. Is the helmet that hot?

[–]varukasalt 59ポイント60ポイント  (14子コメント)

I live in Florida. I don't care how hot it is, if I'm riding, I'm in gear. Leather boots, full face helmet, armored jacket and pants, gloves. Don't care how hot it is, I've had plenty of road rash, and I can tell you from experience it's way more uncomfortable than heat.

[–]dangelovich [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Exactly this.

If it's too hot to wear your safety gear, its too hot to ride.

[–]Chimbeway 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

Same. I bought a helmet with my bike. Jacket gloves boots and all. Welp. It was hot and I didn't wear a helmet this day on my way to work. I'm in the turning lane and some young Spanish girl comes careening from two lanes over and nails me. I end up under my bike having to lift the damn thing off of me while someone drives by "are you ok?" From his window. Fuck off. Anyways, I wasn't hurt aside from some road rash and I managed to keep my head off the ground. My ankle would've been crushed if it weren't for the boots. Chick sounded apologetic enough and other than a bent shifter I was no worse for wear. Needless to say I wore a helmet next time. Haha.

Another story, I had to work late because my asshole "friend" called out last minute so I was alone at an intersection at like 3am. In my rear view I see some lights and don't think anything of it, just thought it was an ambulance or something. Couple moments go by and there's more lights coming and they're coming fast. Quicker than I could realize what was going on, a red Impala followed by 2 police cruisers zooms maybe a foot to the left of me going at least 70. The light turned green and I sat there for a sec fully realizing my morality. I legit imagined myself as one of those pink mist posts on one of those gore site as I came close to being one. I gathered my thoughts laughed and made my way home. I was wearing my helmet that time but I would have surely died if I was hit.

Cagers are crazy man.

[–]cr888 6ポイント7ポイント  (7子コメント)

When you're riding you don't really feel the heat anyway

[–]varukasalt 20ポイント21ポイント  (6子コメント)

When it's 95, you most certainly do. Also, traffic lights.

[–]UnsinkableRubberDuck [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

I work in a lab and I hate wearing closed-toe/heel shoes. But I do it because getting 3rd degree burns from dropping a tiny bit of sulphuric acid on my foot would suck balls. I wear the shoes (PPE) because that's the price I pay for wanting to work in a lab and be a science nerd. I like working in a lab more than I hate wearing full shoes, even though my feet get murderously hot sometimes. I have weird circulation (?) in my feet that means they get painfully hot sometimes when I'm just wearing normal running shoes and socks.

If a person doesn't love riding a motorcycle more than they hate wearing full gear and helmet, then perhaps they shouldn't be riding a motorcycle.

[–]ChE_ [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I have to wear long pants in my lab. Never complained once because in college I saw a guy leaving his lab with a sulfuric acid burn on his pants. He wasn't even working with it, someone else was and somehow he got a few drops on this guys pants.

[–]UnsinkableRubberDuck [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Exactly. Long pants and lab coats. I've worked in labs with poor insulation and poor air conditioning, too. But I still wore PPE. The ONE time, ONE FECKING TIME, I rolled up my lab coat sleeves to my elbows because it was so friggin hot in the lab was the one time I accidentally sloshed HCl on my arm. Thankfully, HCl is relatively weaker of the strong acids and there was a sink there so I just rinsed and was fine, but man. I like to think that if I had been working with anything that was 'worse' than HCl, I wouldn't have rolled up my sleeves, because I would've probly died if it had been HF.

[–]donottouchwilly[🍰] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

SAFTEY FIRST! I always wear my ESD Anti-static wrist strap before touching a computer at work. I lie. No one wears those things...

[–]whenwarcraftwascool [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Could be something more extreme. Your feet shouldn't do that. I'd talk to a doc just in case! Thyroid and diabetic issues can impact feet heat.

[–]UnsinkableRubberDuck [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeh, I'm okay in that area. No thyroid issues, no beetus. I get checked out pretty often, I've always had super blood work and I'm very active. Thanks for the concerns!

[–]Milhouse242 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Oh, so you're the guy who wears a helmet in Florida! Good to meet you.

[–]DashSatan [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Thank you for this. I don't know why I NEVER put this together. But I always wondered why riders are always geared up in all leather. For some reason I never thought it was protection...

[–]daniell61 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Can you please smack my friend on his cbr 250?

Saw him riding earlier today. Full face helmet and a HOODIE T_T

Dude. your gear vents way more than a fucking hoodie

[–]Logicalist 3ポイント4ポイント  (9子コメント)

The problem I have with mandatory helmet laws, is I don't understand how whether or not someone wearing a helmet increases risk to anyone but the person not wearing a helmet.

[–]Detaineee [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

It isn't the risk, it's the cost associated with preventable injuries. Riders who have crappy medical insurance still get care, but the rest of the community ends up paying for what their insurance doesn't cover. Motorcycles aren't unique in that regard, but then when is any policy 100% logical and consistent.

[–]Logicalist [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It isn't the risk, it's the cost associated with preventable injuries

First off, I'm not 100% sure that's entirely accurate, if the person dies as a result of not wearing the helmet, the cost of healthcare for that individual just plummeted, to what it otherwise could have been. So you'd have to calculate that out, which would be difficult.

And you'd have to calculate the cost of producing and selling helmets, and making and enforcing the law.

And you want to calculate the cost of accidents that are prevented by having better vision and hearing, when that is the case, which does actually happen.

Then, your logic doesn't argue for a law, just better insurance policies.

And like you pointed out, if that reasoning was set as precedent, you could make being overweight illegal, and a whole host of other things, on the basis of cost. Rather than infringing on the rights and welfare of other citizens.

Edit: Quoted the wrong part, corrected that.

[–]vsoul [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Imagine you are driving a car and don't see a rider and give them a little bump.

First scenario, they have a helmet, they go down and get a little scratched up. You feel bad but they are ok and your insurance helps them fix up their bike.

Second scenario, they do not have a helmet, they go down and die. Now you need counselling because of how bad you feel, you are paranoid to drive, and your insurance had to go towards the person's death (assuming that's how insurance works in this scenario).

I don't understand how whether or not someone wearing a helmet increases risk to anyone but the person not wearing a helmet

Think about it some more.

[–]Logicalist [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Imagine you are driving a car and don't see a rider and give them a little bump.

If that's the case, it was your fault, not the rider. and the lack of the helmet did nothing to increase any risk to anyone but the rider.

[–]LuckiestManAlive86 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

As a supporter of individual rights, I completely understand your sentiment. But I suppose I might take a stab at playing devil's advocate. Accidents happen. Motorcycles are a lot smaller than cars and trucks. Say I'm involved in an accident. Truly an accident. I don't want to be convicted of vehicular manslaughter because someone didn't wear a helmet like they were required to. Also, you have family/friends who will have emotional injury if you die. So there's that too.

[–]Logicalist [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I don't want to be convicted of vehicular manslaughter because someone didn't wear a helmet like they were required to.

In that case the law requiring the helmet would increase your risk, not the person not wearing a helmet.

Also, you have family/friends who will have emotional injury if you die. So there's that too.

Following that logic, i could we should all go kill ourselves, because the only way to prevent emotional injury over another persons death, is to just not have people. Otherwise, the risk of that emotional injury will always be there, and isn't increased by not wearing a helmet.

[–]OutsmartBullet [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

As a rider I can speak to this. Crap kicks up off the road into your face pretty often, things that can break non-ballistic sunglasses. I think you can figure out the rest. Maybe mandatory ballistic eye protection is a more minimally appropriate law than helmets.

[–]nofaprecommender [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Because each person does not live on his or her own planet in isolation, we depend on one another... suppose one day you come home to your wife and newborn child drooling in a wheelchair because it was too hot for a helmet. What are you gonna do, blink in Morse code that the risk was only to yourself?

[–]poke_mon [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Without a helmet, you'll be more careful than with one.

[–]LxSwiss [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This makes me kind of happy I live in switzerland where it normally never is too hot for helmets leather jackets etc. But on the other hand it rains alot which makes it muuch more dangerous again, expecially without ABS

[–]1979shakedown -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

The risk of serious head injury between motorcyclists and bicyclists are very, very different. It's important not to confuse the two when it comes to helmet policy.

[–]Rhomaion [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Honestly even bicyclists ought to have mandated helmets imo, especially if you're going to commute/ride on the roadways/use a road bike.