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TIL Politifact Fact-Checked as True Bernie Sander's Statement that "One out of four corporations doesn't pay a nickel in taxes," Sanders said." (politifact.com)

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[–]Demonweed 45ポイント46ポイント  (6子コメント)

If the man had argued "one out of four highly profitable corporations doesn't pay a nickel in taxes," then PolitiFact's quibble would be on point. Senator Sanders made no such claim, and the claim he did make was 100% factually correct. Rating the claim as "half true" tells us more about Politifact's slippery grasp of the truth than anything else.

[–]crackie_chan 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

Politifact cares more about pretending to be objective by staking out a middle ground between the left and the right.

[–]Picnicpanther 19ポイント20ポイント  (2子コメント)

Politifact used to be much less subversively biased than it is now. If they don't like someone, you can tell, which is a shame.

[–]rickrossroll 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's because of a huge backlash against politifact and factcheck.org by conservative groups for having a liberal bias. Factcheck.org just kept doing what they were doing and people lost interest. Politifact pandered to the right and decided to not deal in facts and pander to everyone instead.

[–]lexisayok 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Conservative groups prefer to hire fact producers, after all.

[–]oddmanout 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Also, I find that most of their "mostly trues" are "completely true."

[–]fezzuk -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh come on its just them doing their job and reporting actual facts. The report on exactly what people say nit what you think people should have said

[–]weshallrise 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

The GAO study found that 80 percent of those firms reported no income at the point in their tax return when they subtracted salaries and wages and took other deductions. That is, they showed a gross profit based on selling items for more than it cost to produce them, but they had additional expenses after that, such as payroll and tax deductions, which drove their taxable income to zero.

Isn't this part of the problem? We have a broken tax code that allows so many deductions that these corporations end up paying zero taxes. For example, why are companies allowed to deduct fines for regulation violations and other crimes? How do companies like Bank of America (with over $1 trillion in assets) pay no taxes?

[–]NotReallyAGenie 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

That is a terrible article. It begins by saying that 20% of corporations paid no taxes, and then delves into the Fortune 500 where it says 15% paid no taxes and continues to cherry-pick the pool to get to even different numbers.

[–]AbruptionDoctrine 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't know how much of this is my bias, but they always seem to parse the statements of Progressives to an extreme degree. This article seems downright petty. They're putting words in his mouth, then arguing those words.

[–]GuitarsAndCameras 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

Corporations have the same rights as actual people.

But not the same responsibilities.

[–]I_W_M_Y 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Privatize the profits, socialize the losses.

[–]NotReallyAGenie 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

They do seem to be able to afford more elaborate tax deductions, but if 20% of all corporations paid no taxes, that's still far less than the 50%+ of Americans that pay no taxes.

[–]mindaika 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

50% of Americans don't pay taxes because they don't have enough income to tax.

[–]NotReallyAGenie 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Correct. The same is true for the majority of corporations. The article delves into the number of corporations using tax tricks to avoid taxes, but most are small companies that have been losing more money than they make.

[–]rdkitchens 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's alright. Next year it will be the lie of the year.

[–]Badcat80 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

The true "takers"

[–]ruseriousm8 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Even if this is half true, it's a disgrace!

[–]I_W_M_Y 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its not even that, its politifact.

[–]funnyfaceking 1ポイント2ポイント  (20子コメント)

It says Half-True.

[–]smoothcam72 10ポイント11ポイント  (19子コメント)

They're wrong, their basis for declaring it half true is a straw man fallacy, period.

[–]serg27 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

Politifact has a history of doing this type of shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8v6oqTn4Xo

Maddow has been covering it for years. There are some other good clips if you're interested.

[–]funnyfaceking -1ポイント0ポイント  (16子コメント)

Can you elaborate?

[–]smoothcam72 0ポイント1ポイント  (15子コメント)

If the man had argued "one out of four highly profitable corporations doesn't pay a nickel in taxes," then PolitiFact's quibble would be on point. Senator Sanders made no such claim, and the claim he did make was 100% factually correct. -- /u/demonweed