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[–]theone899 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (6子コメント)

As an ethnic minority myself I find this ''minorities can't be racist'' shit embarrassing.

The problem with that assumption is that it's not universal. It selectively applies - I could not be racist towards white people in England but in Africa, I can be racist against white people via law - it doesn't work. If society as a whole, will ever move forward in racial progress, the term racism must be universal.

No exceptions, if's or but's.

It is universal and it applies to all races: that's the only way countries will come together to condemn racism, if it applies to everyone as a universal applicable concept. If you try to pick it apart and say one race is more racist than another, then it simply won't bring progress.

[–]Glorious_PC_Gamer 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree. I feel bad for all the people who battled real racism, did civil rights marches and shit to fight for equality only to have double standards perpetuate racism in parts rather than as a whole. It's really no better.

This is why I don't like it when Christians get upset about having religious ornaments removed from government buildings because of it offending other religious followers. I get it, you're mad, but would you like it if Islamic ornaments were put up on government buildings? No? Then you understand why the government can't pick one over another (or many) while trying to promote freedom of religion. Too bad it never works out that way, and they're still upset and justify why their religion should be ok but not others.

There are double standards in everything :(

[–]ineedanacct 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

b-b-but some sociologist redefined the word for no reason, so it's true.

[–]Error774 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I fucking hate certain sociology theories/sub-disciplines for pulling that shit. It makes the rest of us reasonable sociologists look bad.

Fucking radical feminism and marxism infects everything.

[–]ineedanacct 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Here's some noam chomsky to really drive it home.

[–]CHIM_ERA 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

for no reason

No.

I had a classical studies professor who said the following.

People who redefine things like 'racist' and 'sexist' have a vested interest in having something to point at and say "That's a problem. How can it not be? I redefined a word that means bad things!"

It justifies their existence, how can you justify a degree in gender studies, the goal of which is to point out inequalities, real or imagined in a society and culture that is ever progressing toward equality?

[–]internetideamachine 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Giving minorities a free pass on bigotry is positive discrimination and positive discrimination goes hand in hand with negative discrimination. The aim should be to eliminate ALL discrimination but SJWs want to eliminate negative discrimination but promote positive discrimination. This treatment in turn promotes the negative discrimination they wanted to eliminate in the first place. It's all really self-defeating.

[–]bananaramallamasama 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree with your sentiment, but...

When you meet some of "these people", at college or at a bar, you realize that they are not merely misguided; they are misguidable. This misguidability is not always due to them just having been guided wrongly by some villainous personality. Rather, this misguidability - in some, not all - is a core feature of their personality. They are cognizant tofu, and I mean that in the most compassionate way I can mean it. But truth is not always compassionate, especially in a useful metaphor. They soak up the flavor of the ideology around them, not because they are evil, but because they are stupid and crave exactly what you and I crave.

This misguidability is preyed upon by others in the group they surround themselves with. Entering the group at all sometimes requires them to meet a certain threshold of guidability. This is the case for any person who decides to join a certain group or culture. To join anything, you must be guidable in some way. If you are not guidable by society, you are suspicious to society. Even if you believe you are a total rebel, social gravity's armstrong, I guarantee you have been guided in some way. You may fly from time to time, but it takes all of your energy to do so, and you must always return as a slave to the earth. You crave acceptance by a group so badly that to not be guidable in some way would in fact mean you are a psychopath.

And these facts mean that on either side of any argument, there are going to be the misguided. That is, in GG and aGG there are both guidable people and the guiders.

The difference between the two groups in my eyes is that the guiders in GG do not take on a position of such obvious dominance or aggression, although that may be because I am, like so many here, partially blind to how our actions might be perceived by our enemies. So I restrict myself to what I know and what I can see. And what I can see is that just about all discussion here is welcomed. What I see here is so far removed from what the opposition says is here that I wonder sometimes if there isn't some highly organized conspiracy against gamergate, which has as it's aims to purposefully misrepresent us as misogynists, a term which now has no meaning whatsoever.

I know there are misguided people here, in this subreddit, and I know I'm not proud of the reactions against Zoe Quinn or Anita Sarkeesian. But I also know that from the way others are treated here, as if they have a right to their opinion as long as that opinion doesn't involve removing somebody else's right to an opinion, that I am on the right side.

Call it e-activism, disparage it in all the usual ways, neckbeard, mom's basement, yada-yada. The fact is that Internet and talking to other people on the Internet is and will continue to be central to the formulation of political tastes and to real education. We cannot allow the Internet to succumb to a giant narrative, or to allow the government or any conglomerate of media companies to dominate narratives on it. We must, ironically, preserve the diversity of opinion as it exists on the Internet, and the right to express that opinion.

That's what all this has become for me, and that's all it is when you think about it. That's all GG really is. The right to be a misogynistic, racist, homophobic, straight, white, college-educated, cis-gendered, imperialistic, problematic, red-blooded, toxic, neckbearded, male AMERICAN (rapist) on the Internet and get away with it. Figuratively.

[–]Interlapse 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wonder to myself as to what would have happened if this girl had had a simple sit down and conversation with someone who had differing political views - a white male maybe? Just her alone, no peers, a quiet conversation, no insults.

That's the problem right there. This is the kind of people who wouldn't do that, if they did that, they probably would not be radicals anymore. With SJWs you also have to keep in mind that most of them are brainwashed to a certain extent.

[–]edmundburkewasright 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I feel you, I really do. I have been here since before here existed and I find myself more and more saying "am I the crazy one? How can they be so illogical?" It is a twisty turny road we walk at this point. This is a natural side effect of diversity and freedom, an unintended consequence, if you will. Everything you said about the impersonal nature of the internet is true. And just like the transformation of "the news" into "the media" with 90%+ of media companies effectively owned by a handful of people, we see the continuing trend of information distillation and refinement that allows for people to selectively, and often unconsciously, expose themselves only to information that is already aligned with their worldview. Throw in a social circle that reinforces said worldview and a culture that allows, nay encourages the demonization and shouting down of any opposing ideology with a dash of youthful ignorance thrown in for texture and you have the toxic sludge we have before us, on both sides of the aisle and in almost every direction. But take comfort in this, if nothing else, "You aren't the crazy one". Do you know how I can say that in all seriousness and mean it? Because you are questioning your beliefs. I will relay a quick story from a friend. This friend is very intelligent, one of those two smart for their own good kind of people, the kind who couldn't "Listen and Believe" if their life depended on it. After years of battling depression and megalomania, a therapist was finally consulted. Friend said to the therapist "Doc, I'm afraid I might be a sociopath." I know that I unintentionally manipulate people around me, I view everything through a lens of outcome management and control people's perception of me at all costs" The Shrink said, essentially that everyone does that, most just aren't aware of the mechanism's at work. The fact that you are afraid you are a sociopath is a good indication that you are not." So I say to you what they relayed to me. The act of questioning your own motives, your own beliefs, is poof that you are in the right. Because anyone who questions these things, is someone willing to change them if presented with new or better evidence. These people, these "SJW's" are just people entrenched and constantly reinforcing their beliefs. But that doesn't mean that someday they won't start questioning. If anything, they deserve our pity more than they deserve our scorn.

[–]Stoppingto-goForward 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm white but I'm Irish. By their technical standards I'm an oppressed person. Which honestly I think is rubbish. I live my life the best I can with what little or what lot I have. Hearing what age she was made me facepalm the most because I'm 27 too & haven't had the level of education she has had & yet she is a bigot & too self absorbed to admit.

Also as for the BME thing. Does she not know that BME is associated with maybe one of the most shocking videos on the internet? The BME: Pain Olympics but who knows maybe she took it since it's white men committing self mutilation of their genitals.

[–]KiltmanenatorInexperienced Irregular Folds 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I always bring this up: at what exact point in American history did "purely Anglo-Saxon white Americans" cease being racist towards Irish-Americans? When did the English stop being capable of being racist towards the Irish, the Welsh, the Scottish?

How about when, in Victorian times, things were so classist that rich English literally thought poor English were a separate race?

Can blacks and hispanics be racist towards each other in America?

None of this shit makes any sense and I have never once gotten a straight answer.

[–]Stoppingto-goForward 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't think there will ever be a straight answer, just guesses because the motivation to talk about all this stuff is different. Of course we can say it's greed, narcissism or just a simple need for validation.

When it comes to this argument about privilege, Mustafa is doing it from an American POV, which is based on race. Where as privilege is a class issue over this side of the pond. To which she'll have to face the cold reality that her world view is not reality.

I heard this saying once but can't remember where. It goes like: These gender studies classes are preparing these people for a war that no longer exists & when they get out they are angry & there is no where to place that anger. So they lash out at which ever the direction the bandwagon is going.

Mustafa says she is angry & uses these extremist terms but I bet if you talked to her on a human level she'd crack like porcelain because these classes don't teach people how to see people. Just see a label & how it can benefit them for the next pat on the back.

[–]KiltmanenatorInexperienced Irregular Folds 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yep, I think invididual engagement is always more fruitful.

[–]TimetravelerKihot MILF in your area - chat now! no login required! 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (9子コメント)

I think very few people on this earth are truly evil. Most people are simply misguided. The people on gamerghazi, SRS etc. are not evil people. They've simply been exposed to a particular environment which has shaped their views - the same as us on this subreddit or any other subreddit.

Yeah, and the Jews were the reason why the Germans had nothing to eat, so it was completely reasonable to kill them, right? Just a few millions of misguided nazis being the product of their environment! You can't really blame them for that!

Don't you see how dangerous this mindset is? Haven't you heard of all the psychological experiments that have proven how enormously dangerous this mindset is?

We're not talking about kids here, this is a grown woman, able to think by herself. She chose hatread and she chose to justify her hatred with illogical nonsense. Her hatred is so strong that she can't even see how illogical that nonsense is. See any connections here, when we go back to the example of the Jews and the nazis? Or maybe to the lynch mobs?

These people are dangerous and all we can do is pray that they will never come to power.

[–]Karma-Houdini[S] 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (8子コメント)

I think comparing SRS to the Nazi's is a bit extreme. Thats what I've gotten from your post, apologies if I'm interpreting it incorrectly.

In regards to your comment about the girl and her supposed choice of extremism, she is guilty of cognitive biases, as we all are. She goes to an extremely liberal university and studies Women's Studies. Wasn't her eventual opinion inevitable? She seems to be a person who judges based on emotions rather than logic, and I do know that she has depression/anxiety. Maybe in her case, insulting her to no end is not going to leave a positive result?

[–]TimetravelerKihot MILF in your area - chat now! no login required! 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

That comparison is not at all extreme. The nazis also had their excuses as to why to hate other people based on their ethnicity, religion, sexuality or whatever. It's the exact same mindset. Or do you think, the Germans didn't see themselves as the oppressed? And when you read hashtags like killallmen or see tumblr posts with 100k notes, there is a real reason to be afraid of these people. They're able to justify everything.

Cognitive bias. Come on. We can make decisions, we have our own train of thoughts, we have all the knowledge of the world in our pockets, in our smartphones. You can only go that far with excuses. As an adult, you have to take responsibiliy for your actions. I suffer from depression too and I'm able to accept when I did wrong. It's better to go into this direction and accept your own shortcomings than to flee into delusion.

And to the point with no positive result from insulting her: Yeah insulting her maybe is the wrong thing to do. But what did she expect? She insultet every white male and expected no backlash? Again, we're talking about a grown woman going to a fucking university. You can defend her only that far.

[–]xjapxn 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

The Nazis killed more people than our minds are capable of comprehending, with an efficiency that beggars belief.

The most Ghazi and SRS have done to us is bitch on the internet.

They are not evil. They are at worst mistaken and delusional about it. Get a hold of your self.

[–]TimetravelerKihot MILF in your area - chat now! no login required! 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah, and what happens with 100'000 mistaken and delusional people, when they have an authoritative figure to lead them? What happens when 1'000'000 more people who were just "tagging along" follow them? How many do you need exactly to get a whole country delusional?

Yeah, they might have done nothing evil, but they share the exact same mindset. They justify their hatred with everything they can grasp. Give them an authoritative figure to give them security or make violence (or violence against just a certain group of people) a social norm and the shit that happened in Germany happens. There are enough psychological experiments that prove this.

"Get a hold of yourself" my ass. These people need to see the monsters that they have become.

[–]xjapxn 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, and what happens with 100'000 mistaken and delusional people, when they have an authoritative figure to lead them? What happens when 1'000'000 more people who were just "tagging along" follow them? How many do you need exactly to get a whole country delusional?

Slippery slope fallacy. They don't have a single authority figure to any greater extent than we do, and they number fewer than us. Neither are they the mindless automata or ring-kissing simps required to make this sequence of events feasible.

Yeah, they might have done nothing evil,

Which is the only requirement to be evil. Opposing anything beyond that is thought control, pure and simple.

They justify their hatred with everything they can grasp.

What a vacuous point. Everyone does this. You do this with ISIS, no doubt, you can simply grasp at more valid reasons.

give them security or make violence (or violence against just a certain group of people) a social norm

They have none of these things.

For crying out loud, your opposition doesn't need to be saturday-morning-cartoon levels of evil for you to disagree with them.

[–]TimetravelerKihot MILF in your area - chat now! no login required! 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What a vacuous point. Everyone does this. You do this with ISIS, no doubt, you can simply grasp at more valid reasons.

I don't twist reality to justify my hatred. Hell, I don't even hate. Have you read what she said? The way she thinks? You're comparing apples and oranges.

saturday-morning-cartoon levels of evil

God fucking damn it. You don't know much about humans, do you?

The Stanford Experiment

Broken Windows Theory

Milgram Experiment

And so on and so forth.

[–]violentevolution 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The analogy is correct, but you are misinterpreting the time scale, which is understandable.

The racial fear mongering which led to the holocaust did not happen in a day. It began with bickering in bars "fucking jews" to eventually, "jews are the cause of all our ills", to eventually vandalism against jews, to eventually assaults on jews, etc etc. This happened over a period of 25 or so years, we have only seen 10 years or so of this kind of shit outside of the sociology departments of SOME colleges. We have "fucking men/white men" we have "men/white men are the cause of all our ills", we have MANY instances of vandalism, etc. we have 15 years to go to find out if the analogy is truly accurate, i'm personally not a fan of finding out, but it is entirely accurate when your sync up the scales of time.

[–]xjapxn 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

we have only seen 10 years or so of this kind of shit outside of the sociology departments of SOME colleges. We have "fucking men/white men" we have "men/white men are the cause of all our ills", we have MANY instances of vandalism, etc.

We've had these things since at least the 70's. I don't have the scale wrong at all.

[–]the_nybbler 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They are certainly evil. Not as evil as the Nazis, and certainly not as effective, but evil nonetheless. They have created censorship regimens where dissenters dare not speak. They have gotten people fired, they have ruined lives (and not accidentally) with their social media mobbing. They have turned campus disciplinary panels into more of a kangaroo court than they were already, and ruined more lives with it. They are evil.

[–]videogameboss 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

bahar mustafa is a shit eating, passive aggressive, racist, sexist, sociopath troll and pussy. maybe some things happened to her in her life and i don't understand her, but she needs to just man up and quit acting like a cunt. of course what she likes more than anything is to feel persecuted for her horse shit beliefs.

[–]ghostfox1_gfaqs 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can sum this up quicker. They're dumb. Some are dumb because they don't know better, some are maliciously ignorant, and some are sociopaths manipulating the morons.

[–]ShadistsReddit 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

her saying she can't be racist is true

What?

[–]Karma-Houdini[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I used the term "In her eyes". This is me not saying I believe it, but that she does.

[–]ShadistsReddit 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sorry about that, missed that bit.

[–]KiltmanenatorInexperienced Irregular Folds 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Solid post. It's nice to see more than just a few lines of mildly-well-thought out text.

kinda like what i just did here