The Reddit Team - My Role (or lackthereof) and Misc Thoughts

Predicted · 2 日前

Why would anyone take reddit so seriously that they would send someone else death threats over it?

Veyloris · 2 日前

I'm just straight up reposting this from another thread, with a little added:

"I think the reddit team thing is a horrible, horrible idea. Funding by reddit may be an okay idea, but reddit giving input/making decisions sounds like a recipe for disaster.

Think about the dogecoin thing, where they sponsored the driver. That's great and all. It's funny, everyone gets a laugh, but reddit never actually gets any right to make decision, and that's how it should be. A hivemind isn't a good way to lead. It's a good way to generate ideas, but not a good way to select them."

Basically, the bottom line is to look at this like a VC project. If you give money to the right person with the human capitol, at the right place, at the right time, of course it can work. If the community had gathered up and given $500,000 in funding to the next Regi or Hotshot or Steve or Jack this would be successful. The problem is that the most successful team owners are already successful team owners. I would go so far as to say that most people who would make a successful team are probably already owning that team or far enough along the path to owning that team that they don't need Reddit to throw money at them.

The idea can work in theory, of course. Kickstarter and websites like it have turned out great things. I personally have put a lot of money into Crowfall, which is a massive game partially funded through Kickstarter. They have a clear vision, accompanied by connections in the industry, experience in the industry, and a business plan. All of those things enable someone to successfully execute a project, and any projects that succeed without those typically involve a large degree of skill and/or luck.

Iksanier · 2 日前

I usually don't comment on posts directly, but right now I have something to say.

OP is a person that is relatively known is this very community and has done a lot of work during last year or so. All the points raised by him are legitimate and solid, though there are things that Titus (or w/e his name is) should have considered before taking any proactive actions.

He is riding a wave of a popular new idea, a crowdfunded community team. People would've and did overreacted to this whole drama. That is his mistake, not ours as community members. Should he remain calm and not post every single day new short posts teasing us, maybe the reaction would've been much more welcoming.
He has no credentials what so ever. Might it be that speaking to OP, other pros and people involved in e-Sports scene without immediatelly revealing it was a better way to gather his thoughts together before presenting the idea? Obviously many people are being annoyed by the fact that he just says: "Oh, I talked to this guy and he thinks this idea have potential". It looks like from a third person point of view that he tries to get recognition by using big names in our community, e.g. esportslaw.
His posts and comments are not thought-through. He rarely presents any kind of information aside of vague tips. I'm gonna work with designers to make a logo. I will talk to that guy to think about budgetting. Well maybe, if he first had done it, we all reacted better?

The whole drama is created not by community, but by Titus himself. He could've realized that the idea worth thinking of, he could've first spoken to different respectable and experienced people, he could've created logos and simple business plan.

Had he all of this on top of his empty posts which have done, as OP mentioned in his vlog, NOTHING, this whole drama wouldn;t have existed in the first place. We would just read about the project, give him some tips or just shut down the idea.

I don't know if it is too late now to try to pick up some respect from the community for Titus or not.

It is all IMO, ofc. If I were him, I would've thought about everything before posting and hyping us up.

wobucarecat · 2 日前

people need to take note of this- its not a return on investment

if you want to donate or get involved in this project, realize that other than what you give, what you personally get other than community involvement or feeling good for helping a handful of people play league semi professionally (aka making money) is gonna basically be zilch. if you are an altruistic trusting person go right ahead, if you have any expecations then dont. lol

bbrosto · 2 日前

esportslaw more like esports cole slaw am i right fellas

JaBoi_Jared · 2 日前

To be fair the only reason your name is always brought up is because you literally said you would take care of all the legal structure etc.

You really shouldn't be surprised.

thorktown · 2 日前

I think my only problem with this whole thing would be, lack of credentials or any real way to be sure that THIS SPECIFIC person is the best possible person from the community to run this, if it did happen.

I'm sure hes put some time into this, but Im kind of waiting to see what his plan is cause at the moment I'm not impressed that his plan so far involves a salary before actually doing anything meaningful, will see once he actually comes out with a plan I suppose.

mbcs09 · 2 日前

Thanks for the video and for clearing up your involvement in the whole deal.

I don't really have any questions for you, but I just wonder what the expectations of the community are/were for this supposed "team." I mean, are there legitimately qualified players that would participate in this and take it seriously? Call me crazy but even if all other things fall into place and a team is formed, I don't think that a team whose best player is (for example) Imaqtpie is going to be very competitive against even the bottom of LCS talent. In that case, what happens? A brief stint competing for the CS, maybe a failed relegation tournament appearance and then that's it?

I applaud /r/leagueoflegends for their enthusiasm, but to me it seems kinda shortsighted and like a really easy way to throw away some money to be able to say "I was part of the reddit team!"

eyesarered · 2 日前

I had totally the wrong idea of you. You're actually a really well informed, logical, and transparent person.

Thankyou for being you

abloopdadooda · 2 日前

I'm reposting the same thing I commented on /u/TitusBatiatus own thread:

"The problem was that you are a completely random person with absolutely no prior experience, qualifications, support, or money that all-of-a-sudden showed up ~4-5 days ago wanting to create a team on a whim. You boast about how transparency would be the biggest concern yet still no one knows who you are, who was working with you, or what estimates you have come up with for costs.

You never gave us your name, age, prior experience/knowledge of the matter, names/number of people helping you, or numbers estimates and every single bit of that information if not more should have been in your very first post about the subject.

You never gave anyone a reason to believe you were doing this legitimately or a reason to believe you even had the ability to do this and not waste everyone's time and possibly money. That should have been done, like I said, in your very first post about the subject and yet we still have no real reason to believe this can actually be a possibility. Face it, you were delusional if you thought something this huge could be taken care of as quickly as you're doing it and without any sort of prior qualifications or funding.

All this and still the possibility this was all a huge scam and you are now backpedaling out of it (because you never gave us reason to believe it wasn't a scam.)"

Basically, to sum up that comment, I think /u/TitasBatiatus was delusional in thinking he could get this big of a project off the ground as fast as he was trying to, and I also think that he never gave anyone a reason to believe the whole thing wasn't a scam or worth our time. Despite claiming that transparency was a key issue, he still never gave us any information about himself at all or the estimates on costs he surely had.

He was a random guy with no experience or prior funding and he never offered information about himself or a reason to believe he even had the ability to do it (or that it wasn't a scam).

1800CAPSLOCK · 2 日前

I like how this reddit team thing started as a joke.

HoHSarkhon · 2 日前

The idea has merit, but it needs a business acumen behind it in order to be successful.

Halidromos · 2 日前

This video sums up exactly how I felt about this whole situation. It started off as a joke, but people actually saw how this could be a good way for the community to become more involved in the esports scene and how it might even benefit the community as a whole, so they started to believe in it and wanted to see it happen.

As you stated, in theory it's not infeasible to make this happen. But when the original poster stepped up to try and make the idea a reality, people were quick to throw him under the bus. Questions such as 'Why should he benefit from this?', 'Why should we trust this random person without any qualifications?'. These are in fact legitimate questions, but instead of trying to offer solutions to these apparent issues, e.g. asking OP for more clarity by making a video statement, or stepping up themselves to make the idea happen, the situation devolved into people viciously slandering OP. It has come so far that over the last few days the front page has been filled with posts trying to derail any support for the formation of a reddit team, instead of offering support to make the idea happen. 'Instead of creating a reddit team, we should donate to Nepal', 'Instead of creating a reddit team we should support a challenger team', the list goes on.

I, for one, would still love to see the reddit team happen, but after witnessing the severity of the lol reddit hivemind by reading reddit for the last couple of days I've come to realise the unlikelihood of a grand project like this ever seeing the light of day.

Icelord52 · 2 日前

It is the middle of May, it is time to take down your Christmas lights!

Gnarsies · 2 日前

"Hypothetically this could work"

From a guy that has no other experience than being an unsuccessful musician who apparently wants to work a fast food job on the side. Having seen multiple projects run by "people who seem to have good intentions and work hard" become con jobs, like Dashcon, I'm not willing to give this guy benefit of the doubt. I complained about him out of concern after looking up his background, when it seemed obvious to me that this wasn't just a joke anymore, and that he was serious about crowdfunding his project.

By donating to such a project, you are not putting in an investment, you do not have any kind of share in the venture, and the entire risk of the venture lies upon the donators.

While you do seem to know what you are talking about Bryce. I think it would be fair to say that you would be a way better person to spearhead such a project. From the conversation I've had from this Titus individual, I would never give him a single cent. He is a naive idiot, who thinks that he is better and more intelligent than esports community figures, who have actually worked to put their teams together.

Now he claims that he never wanted to do a crowdfunder, and that he only "suggested it", even though he has said multiple times that he wanted to do a crowdfunder, and that he was working on a proposal for a crowdfunder. And from what I understand, the amount of this crowdfunder would go up to SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. Do I need to stress that more?

I am not going to wait until he puts a proposal up with a kickstarter attached, and people send him money, before criticizing his claims. Because at that point, it will be too late, people were hyping up his project, and Reddit can be very overzealous. He has proven beyond the shed of a doubt that he has no proper business plan, and any financial institution would laugh him out of the door.

Now it's the bad Reddit's fault, for calling out this absolutely mishandled operation. When he himself, abused the word "OFFICIAL" over and over, even though he has no endorsement from either Reddit or the subreddit mods, and seriously believed that claiming that he had "support from multiple sources" which he would not name would give him any credits with the community, on top of throwing your name around multiple times as a major involvement to make himself look credible. The burden is on him to put an interesting proposal on the table before trying to hype.

SpeedOfThought7 · 2 日前

Is it christmas in your office?

NasusAU · 2 日前

Excellent video, you speak very well.

Few thoughts from me...
The /r/LoL community doesn't understand the role of lawyers as consultants and instead thinks of them more as inhabiting a directing role, this confusion has potential to damage your reputation (within the subreddit) if any issues arise from projects you are consulting on, I would humbly suggest to avoid public disclosures of this nature in the future as I'm sure you are very aware of the risks.

If you do persist in dealing with seemingly non-professional enterprises within the /r/LoL community it might be beneficial to include a disclaimer to the extent that you neither endorse nor proscribe the actions of these individuals.

Lastly, from what I understand you function on a largely referral basis (please correct me if I am wrong), do you see your presence within the /r/LoL community as a valuable allocation of resources with a professional intent behind it or is do you regard this as a place to merely relax and engage with the community on a personal level?

Thanks!

Suffca · 2 日前

I'm just over here like.

Geofferic · 2 日前

Man, I didn't go to law school to work in a place like that. I do have the same headphones, tho.

You are way more patient than I.

Zep1991 · 2 日前

You totally Saul Goodmaned me.

MaevisPas · 2 日前

I also thought that having a board of directors was the only way to run the team in any way. My idea, however, was that there would be 10 slots on the board.

Five for the players themselves, they should have a say in how the team would be run. I'm not really sure though if those spots are just for current players or for the original line up. That would have to be something to be considered.

One for the coaching staff. Includes analysts, psychologists, cook, mom, whomever. Probably should change that to just support staff.

Two for the top donators. If you are donating over a thousand dollars for this, you should be recognized. I don't think they should be able to steamroller the other members though.

One for an advocate, this would be the ex-player /u/esportslaw was talking about.

The last spot I think should be the lawyers spot. For legal reasons I think this is the right move as the lawyer can help with the legality issues that might pop up.

At no point in time should the owner/creator be a member of the board. I think that the owner/manager runs the day to day but the board runs the over all team.

MrScrubbles · 2 日前

Eyebrows.

Hippogriff4 · 2 日前

haha

Oppa_Dannifer · 2 日前

Care to listen to my idea of a LoL Reddit Team? However, it will be more of a Reddit Clan though. Basically, this Reddit Clan will be FREE but must apply in another website or subreddit to join. The requirement to be in the clan will be that you have to be Platinum in solo q or above to join though. The goal is to get Redditors to the LCS and challenger series, but for most of the members, the goal is to increase the competitiveness and gameplay of the ranked 5's ladder. Teamspeak will be the place of communication for the members and that is how activity will be checked. Moderators are chosen by their activity in Teamspeak and they make sure the server is clean of toxicity. The room people join when they log into the teamspeak server will be the lobby for people to get 5 people together and play a rank 5's game with them. Replays of their games will be open to all members in the website where they can give each other feedback. If this reddit clan was to have a team get into the LCS, they will have Platinum+ members of reddit back them up for analysts and give assistance to that team in finding them a manager and a coach.

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