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[–]okcoooli 266 ポイント267 ポイント  (102子コメント)

The problem is consistency with what stays and what gets removed. There needs to be more clear rules on what exactly is related to league. Even if people don't like whatever you come up with, at least they will know what they can and can't post.

[–]aang000 111 ポイント112 ポイント  (85子コメント)

The problem is mods deleting every Richard Lewis article without reason

[–]potatozzminions 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (57子コメント)

Example?

[–]KickItNext[Rockless Lobster] (NA) 170 ポイント171 ポイント  (48子コメント)

They've been recently getting removed at first to make sure there isn't any personal info released in them (because RL was threatening to do that for a while) but as soon as they're cleared, the post gets restored, and the comments section becomes 90% devoted to complaining about how the post was temporarily removed.

Also it's not just RL articles but there's a filter for dailydot articles.

[–]domXtheXbomb 769 ポイント770 ポイント  (151子コメント)

This thread is absolutely pointless and didn't address any of the actual concerns that we had. Really what was the point of even posting this? All of the stuff that you mentioned the majority of the users already knew about except for which rank you were in SoloQ, which I gotta be honest, I was dying to know.

All we want as a subreddit is consistency and for the rules to be fixed and followed by you, our moderators.

[–]HotSauceJohnson 95 ポイント96 ポイント  (14子コメント)

Piggybacking in hopes that I get a real response on this suggestion to change the witch hunting rule. I don't want it duly noted, I want your thoughts about it so the community can have an actual dialog about the rules:

Do not harass other users, do not ask people to harass other users.

aggressive pressure or intimidation.

synonyms: persecution, intimidation, pressure, force, coercion;

Airing your opinion on a service, however intellectually sound, is not harassment. Calling someone a bad word isn't harassment, following them around and doing so is. "Witch hunting" is such a nebulous term to begin with and you guys apply it liberally even then. It's really not workable if your goal is to be anywhere near fair and consistent.

[–]TheRazorX 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If this thread wasn't Stickied, it would've been buried. Buried really badly.

[–]3-22018t1c 196 ポイント197 ポイント  (16子コメント)

who knew mods had families, jobs, school, and bronze in soloq, gg

[–]DerberAuner 62 ポイント63 ポイント  (5子コメント)

i certainly didnt. i thought they were orphans, unloved by everyone. /s

[–]windoverxx 55 ポイント56 ポイント  (1子コメント)

unloved by everyone

Well seeing as they are mods of /r/lol this is actually probably true :>

[–]Drunkchamakh 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (5子コメント)

He is trying to appeal to you by saying: see i'm like you so you should trust me and stuff ... ! Its a basic trick politicians and ppl who seek influence and power do that all the time ! Too bad it didn't work this time ... Then again these guys are forum moderators ... can't really expect much of them :)

[–]luk3d 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Am I being watched by a bronze? wow never coming back again /s

[–]hpp3 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Consistency is hard when the rules are literally "Content must be related to LoL". What of the following is related to LoL? An article about working at Riot (Riot Games is not League of Legends, and a story about Riot that doesn't mention League is not League related)? A clip from a movie that has League champion faces edited in (it's not related to the game at all)? Twitch TV changes their policies and imposes new rules on streamers (literally not related to League)? A video of Doublelift learning to drive (he's a pro player, but the video is of him doing something unrelated to the game)?

Obviously you can see how it's hard to draw the line. The OP shows points out that the mod team isn't just one guy that decides to be inconsistent just to fuck with people. It's 20 different people, so of course there will be inconsistencies on where people draw the line. There are over 25000 actions that these mods do in a month (over 800 per day), so there is absolutely no way they could vote or sync up on every single post that needs to be deleted. They said that they now require one other moderator to approve changes that affect the front page, but most of the posts that people complain are deleted don't actually reach the front page (with only a handful of controversial exceptions).

[–]Kamishini 84 ポイント85 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This thread is absolutely pointless and didn't address any of the actual concerns that we had. Really what was the point of even posting this?

They like patting themselves on the back.

[–]itsjustadrian 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (0子コメント)

this should have been cross-posted to /r/circlejerk

[–]darienswag420 63 ポイント64 ポイント  (6子コメント)

just report the thread as "Low effort" if you're unsatisfied with it.

that's what i did. this is as pointless as a Brokenshard meme.

[–]ScrambledScribbles[SEE ELL GEE] (EU-W) 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Ouch, at least brokenshard memes make some people laugh ;)

[–]Notuch 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (1子コメント)

wario looking ass

[–]JBrambleBerry 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's just disrespectful to Wario. Unless you have a picture of BrokenShard on a Harley, then we can talk.

[–]I_LIKE_YOU_ 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

this comment is funnier than any brokenshard meme I've seen.

[–]2short4astormtrooper 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Lol that's because its just PR to try and get us off their ass

[–]hax_wut 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yeah... I feel like I just wasted 10 min of my life. The concerns people have are on some of the vague rules. The concern isn't about mods' daily lives...

[–]Chaoz_Caster2 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It feels like a politician is talking to the public...

[–]Zixko 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You sound like alot of rules need to be re-done\looked at, Can you say wich? and give some examples of this inconsistency?

[–]washly 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (11子コメント)

I didn't know most of this and I found it interesting... Just because you didn't enjoy the post doesn't mean someone else can't enjoy it.

[–]RVinceZ 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (10子コメント)

You may find it interesting but how is it relevant to anything that happened the last couple of days?

[–]washly 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (2子コメント)

They said to ask questions in the comments if you want to... I'm fine with people addressing potential issues with the mods, but they should be respectful and not act like children.

[–]Sakerasu 192 ポイント193 ポイント  (189子コメント)

Question regarding "Brigading"

When Lewis does it, its an act against the means of what Reddit is about

How come when Lyte does it , its fair and balanced posting?

[–]OverlordLork 76 ポイント77 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Only reddit admins can shadowban for brigading, and they don't have hard-and-fast rules on it. They judged that his tweets were made to gain voting support, rather than to just show people a particular thread.

[–]LiterallyKesha 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Your comment is why this topic is so important. I know the top comment right now is "why are you assuming we are so dumb and giving us info that we already know?". When in fact, there is a large portion of this subreddit that aren't familiar with the difference between admins/mods or don't really understand how reddit works. Lewis himself doesn't understand reddit bans because he claimed that him and a friend got IP banned. That didn't happen.

This angry mob comes out not knowing how things work and raise hell. It's at that point where reason goes out the window because it will always seen as damage control or PR when anyone tries to spell out the truth.

[–]Jinjinbug 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (1子コメント)

oh he probably knows how it all works but acts like he doesnt to feign ignorance to stir this kind of shitstorm in the subreddit

[–]Ichiago 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

From what he actually said he perfectly understands how bans work.

He also stated (and the people in question said the same thing) that himself, some of the people that worked with him, his editor, the mod that was leaking info and the creator of the "Riot-less lol subreddit" were shadow banned. And that it was done by an admin, even saying his name if I understood correctly.

[–]HaDeeZ 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Did the admins actually explain that decision or are people just going off of an assumption?

[–]TehAlpacalypse[TheAlpacalypse] (NA) 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (6子コメント)

The admins don't explain shadowbans out of principal. It's an assumption based on previous similar bans

[–]RinYoga 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I've been shadowbanned before and the admins are pretty chill about it. Just ask them why the ban was given and ask them if its ok to revert it.

[–]avatoxico[BattleBootyRiven] (BR) 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (52子コメント)

I think i missed these, can somebody give context on both of them?

[–]Psychowafflez 62 ポイント63 ポイント  (28子コメント)

Claiming this is getting downvoted on the grounds of richard lewis tweets and calling it brigading. But when a riot employee does the same thing it's nothing. However it's a stupid fucking rule period.

[–]-Shank- 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (24子コメント)

I always thought "brigading" only extended as far as vote manipulation between subreddits, not offsite linkage to a discussion at hand.

[–]Koketa13 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (10子コメント)

here's the reddit rule page http://www.reddit.com/rules/

Im not sure what event you guys are talking about, but asking anyone on any medium for upvotes/downvotes seems to be against reddit rules

[–]raorbit 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Name even one tweet where Richard Lewis even remotely hints at asking for upvotes or downvotes.

[–]throwaway201512 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (7子コメント)

He never asked for upvotes or downvotes. He simply would post the reddit links to specific comments or threads. He would never say to upvote/downvote, or imply anything similar.

Usually he would link the thread with his own opinion/comment on the linked quote. Totally within the rules

[–][deleted] 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (12子コメント)

That's exactly what it is. So God knows why the mods are claiming it's brigading.

[–]LiterallyKesha 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's still brigading when it's done by other websites and not just subreddits. You seem so sure but are ultimately wrong.

[–]Doctursea 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Asking for upvote or downvote is wrong on any site. Linking is OK, I think that is what a lot of people are confused about.

[–]jaynay1 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

But the problem is linking to something and then calling it "bullshit."

Lewis' argument again fails basic logic.

Lyte in linking:

Some discussion around voice chat in video games.

It's tone neutral, doesn't encourage any course of action other than reading.

Lewis in linking:

Talk about the illusion of transparency. What does this bullshit thread actually "reveal" that we didn't know?

That's brigading. Pure and simple.

[–]MackleDoge[MackleDoge] (NA) 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Essentially RL has been following all this subreddit drama even after being banned or shadowbanned and tweeting a link to the threads here. Lyte and other Rioters have tweeted Reddit links in the past to things they themselves have posted or commented in. Sakerasu is asking why RL's tweets are brigading but the Rioters' tweets are not.

[–]avatoxico[BattleBootyRiven] (BR) 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (8子コメント)

But is either RL or Riot asking their followers to do anything on those linked threads?

If not... i didn't notice the problem

[–]MackleDoge[MackleDoge] (NA) 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Neither parties are explicitly stating for followers to participate in the threads whether through voting or commenting. I also don't see a problem with providing a link, especially since providing a link to Reddit is an exact example of what is allowed.

[–]Kaochanism 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Precisely. RL nor Riot encouraged people to vote one way or another but a mod called RL out for "Brigading" the post, but not Riot.

[–]LiterallyKesha 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Brigading rules are set by the admins though so bans are handled by them. To let you know though, even if someone from another website links to a post and doesn't explicitly say to brigade OR says nothing about voting at all bans can still be handed out to the voters.

[–]aang000 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Riot Tryndamere also

[–]Warhood 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Richard Lewis, and multiple people he works with have been recently banned/shadow from reddit due to these "Brigading Claims." Cause they advertise the discussion thread or reddit.

Riot Lyte made a post on the forums about why voice comms aren't going to be put in League, and linked in on his twitter and nothing happened to him besides the massive shit storm of people proving that his data, and information is absolutely garbage.

[–]avatoxico[BattleBootyRiven] (BR) 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (5子コメント)

So the reddit admins banned him because of this brigading claim?

Did they give some context about it in some discussion?

[–]mrgerbic 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

He was banned for threats of doxxing /r/lol moderators via twitter.

[–]Ichiago 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

That was around 1 year ago and he got banned when he started insinuating that Riot and /r/leagueoflegends are colluding.

[–]melete 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It depends on the context. Lyte was sharing his post on Twitter, so that more people could read it. Lewis was essentially saying "hey come look at this retard in the comment section."

[–]llllllillllllilllllj 62 ポイント63 ポイント  (56子コメント)

When are you going to clarify and improve the 'witchunting' and league related content only rules?

[–]sarahbotts[M] -8 ポイント-7 ポイント  (55子コメント)

We just finished rewriting them earlier today and are revising/editing them right now.

[–]EnderBaggins 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Sheesh people are fired up. Anyway, do you guys intend to allow the community to give some input on them? For instance providing some alternative versions/drafts with the mods reasoning behind them? It would be good to know what direction / philosophy was driving the rewrites as well. Are you hoping to "back off" the amount of restricted content? Or maybe to more clearly define what content is objectionable? Is your goal to rewrite the rules to require more moderation involvement, or less?

Some perspective on the mods thought process will smooth the acceptance of whatever direction is taken.

[–]llllllillllllilllllj 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (18子コメント)

Well it seems a bit pointless creating this thread with very little actual useful content in and not including the actual information and change the community has been asking for why not just wait?

[–]JBrambleBerry 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (31子コメント)

So what's the point of this thread when those rules and transparency issues are the actual problem?

[–]Rohbo 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (15子コメント)

I learned things that I didn't know, and I'm glad they posted it. Just because the Richard Lewis fan club doesn't like the post doesn't mean it is pointless.

[–]ForeverVulcun 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (40子コメント)

One question that I think is important for you guys to answer is:

What, in your guys' opinion, is the job of a moderator?

Some say moderators are supposed to be janitors, others say they are to be judges, KoreanTerran thinks moderators are everything.

What is a moderator's job?

[–]EnderBaggins 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Could we see a screencap of an example of these mod only sub threads? The brainstorm / proposal threads?

[–]EnderBaggins 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (17子コメント)

How many mods have signed the NDA? I would assume all of them.

[–]sarahbotts[M] 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (13子コメント)

I personally have not signed the NDA, and there are quite a few others that haven't as well.

[–]EnderBaggins 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Cool. I'm not sure how loaded the question sounded, but I was just curious.

Edit: Do you guys feel pressured to have a few mods that haven't signed the NDA after all this? Again, just wondering, I don't think you should feel that way.

[–]sarahbotts 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

There is no pressure to do anything either way from the mod team. It It's more of if you want to have access, then you can sign the NDA, if you don't want it then you don't have to sign it.

[–]EnderBaggins 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sure, I wasn't talking about internal pressure, just external.

[–]bolofoo 152 ポイント153 ポイント  (78子コメント)

This post discussed literally nothing....

[–]R_Dissonance 66 ポイント67 ポイント  (51子コメント)

if you really want to show us what you do make the sub completely modless for a day.

[–]communistjack 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

or go full /r/movies on April fools and have 10 random people + 10 people from lolcirclejerk become mods for 24 hours

[–]slopnessie 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I did this on /r/codcompetitive I say "I" but it was kind of a joke I made that another mod decided would be a good way to illustrate what we do. We turned off automod. We just sat and waited. 10 posts go by, and randomly someone posts something that was so absurd that I couldn't even comprehend it about a character in a book.

We didn't remove it, so people caught on. 30 minutes later we had about 6 dozen posts about random gibberish. We gave up on the 24 hour thing and fixed it all. I still don't know if it was a mistake or not, but it did show how much moderation can help keep things in order and that we really don't delete the posts that were good content. (someone called us out on not allowing a lot of content that was well made which wasn't true)

[–]Protosega[Trixie] (NA) 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Rule 34 would hit /r/all all day.

[–]communistjack 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

giggity

[–]notDarksta[Faker For Hire] (OCE) 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[–]Froggen_Is_God 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (13子コメント)

No one disagrees the subreddit needs Janitors, it does.

However it doesn't need Judges.

Seriously all these Mods should be doing is removing porn.

[–]Kadexe 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The memes are worse for this sub than the porn.

[–]Cpt3020 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Then you would have a sub full of only image macros

[–]Grinys 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The problem is that some people want /r/leagueoflegends to be like a leagueoflegends newspaper, edited and easy to read. R/leagueoflegends is a discussion board to discuss league of legends and all things related to leagueoflegends, its not supposed to be good.

[–]SoDamnToxic 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeap, its like people complaining they don't like the business section of the newspaper.

Well to fucking bad some people do.

[–]RinYoga 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And then we would get a second /r/gaming . Which isn't a good thing.

[–]avatoxico[BattleBootyRiven] (BR) 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (17子コメント)

Ha, i'd like to see this, people would then appreciate these folks' work a little more.

[–]ko- 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (9子コメント)

it would be a giant circlejerk for a day and not like how it would be if there were no mods at all times. By being modless for one day, people will all post what can't be posted regularly

[–]bondsmatthew 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

'quick, no mods. post dota heroes'

[–]Protosega[Trixie] (NA) 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Porn.

[–]BigFatNoGives Good Responses 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

And the filthiest of porn you can imagine. Illegal stuff too, probably

[–]notDarksta[Faker For Hire] (OCE) 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Rule 34 annie ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[–]IreliaObsession 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would love to see mods actually try to follow the rules and principles that they openly try to chastise people about, and to stay in their own communities rather than bring this acting out into other subreddits.

The problem remains that this is a 3rd party forum out of sheer luck of streamers using reddit during early league days and no real work of the mod team here yet the attitude has become that they are absolutely essential both now and in league past growth which is an absolute comedy.

[–]zedbra 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (5子コメント)

There has been a lot of controversy concerning posts that are being removed based on some of the sub rules.

  1. Posts need to be directly related to League of Legends. To be directly related to League of Legends, content should pertain either to League of Legends eSports or to some element of League of Legends.

  2. No Abuse; No personal attacks, no harassment, no hateful speech, no witch hunting.

I think both of these rules need to be addressed and clarified. As of right now their ambiguity seems to lend belief that they left that way to allow removal of posts based on sub rules.

In my opinion the first one; directly related to league of legends is poorly enforced. As of right now there is post on the page about some guy ordering pizza which is tangentially related to league of legends. Yet the video that /r/LOLYAY posted about Richard Lewis responding to Blakinola, both personality's are almost 100% focused on league of legends is removed? Does it need to have more league images or content?

Posts are removed for witch-hunting and yet threads where players are roasted for their performance in lol are allowed to stay. How is one different from another? Does a content creator suffer more than a player that has had a crappy game?

I understand that mods have to use their own judgement in scenarios, but I think there are lot of us that would like to have some clarification on these actions.

[–]kamikazplatypus 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (24子コメント)

So i have been trying to just sporadically pop up in these threads to address some random things here and there. But after seeing some of the blatant lies that you guys are trying to spoon feed to the public i can only take so much,

http://imgur.com/X6Lyw3N this picture is the activity matrix for the moderators for all actions excluding those of the robot mods, if you take the time to look at the time that they joined/ their current positions you will quickly notice that the mods that are the "oldguard" are frequently innactive and there are even some with 0 activity (but as far as i can tell most of them were part time anyway)

If you look a little closer you will notice that the 8 new mods combined with koreanterran made up over 70% of all actions of the massive mod team. Excluding the new mods koreanterran makes 50% of the remaining actions for the window i selected which was a rough window of when i joined the team (so the mods that came in for the second phase only had 1 week or less of activity to contribute).

Most mods are 'fulltime' mods; they’re expected to participate in the decision making process and dedicate a minimum amount of time to moderating activities each month. We also have a few (temporarily) parttime mods; due to circumstances in their daily life they are unable to dedicate a consistent amount of time to moderating. They are urged to step down if they don’t expect this to be a temporary change.

This statement is just complete crap, most mods are either innactive in the main duty of the mods (clearing modqueue and dealing with mod mails) or they just exist within the team making a small handful of actions here and there.

Dont get me wrong there is more to moderating than what is shown in the table but the fact that people are effectively carrying the mod team and it was hidden from people is just acting in bad faith from the mod team and i really hope they step it up especially with koreanterran leaving the team

[–]Blitzjuggernaut 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I like how the mods that don't do anything blow the most hot air.

[–][deleted] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Eh, KT is apparently the most active mod and he had an infinite ability to talk about how good he was.

[–]Crackzilla89 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

In light of recent events lets... talk about nothing related to recent events?

[–]CertusAT 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Is this the thread you guys wanted to post? I thought a post clarifying the "related to lol" and the "witch hunting" rule was coming o.O

[–]wallacehacks 79 ポイント80 ポイント  (67子コメント)

Removing front page content merits an individual explanation.

[–]SimplifyEUW 71 ポイント72 ポイント  (18子コメント)

Who is your moderator? And what does he do.

[–]ZunStunWun 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have a question- are the threads asking for LCS tickets allowed? They constantly make the front page and it tends to get annoying having one of those threads up daily, I thought it would violate the rules along with the threads asking for a rioter/pro to interview them for a paper.

I would really like to see a statement on those and whether they are allowed because they're just getting more and mroe ocmmon the more that hit the front page.

[–]WirSindAllein 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The robots are over 18?

[–]SoloToplaneOnly 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm completely new to this, so I may be wrong. I get that, but from what I've seen this evening, some moderators makes me really sad. Do you have no sense of ethics at all? This is disturbing.

[–]ThetaOverTime 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I like how Rioter 2's only message in that conversation was "LOL"

[–]hisrantsk 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

We demand a Lore for /r/leagueoflegends moderators.

[–]Tortysc 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They have a dark past and bright future as Riot employees.

[–]sanddr 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

never understood why someone would voluntarily mod this shithole, than i read someone's article and i knew

[–]thetyde 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Moderating on reddit means we have limited tools" Enough tools to ban articles that don't include "sources" and claim witch hunting whenever necessary. Since when is it a moderators job to determine the factual accuracy of ANYTHING.

[–]Duckkks 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (89子コメント)

Still no post about the inconsistencies in your post removals?

Edit: Lol at the comment graveyard below because mods don't like to actually talk about problems, they instead like to delete any problems brought up, what great moderators : ^ )

[–]MrKamranzzz 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (7子コメント)

kshaway wasn't allowed to post anymore, because he was 'selfpromoting'. At the same time there are tons of video's and fanart/cosplay that do make the frontpage and that's normal.

[–]Niyaze 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (7子コメント)

how about you for once sign up some mods that arent just more "yes" men/women and just agree with all shit you do, but that probably won't happen since that could actually cause change to the fucked up system.

[–]Razleto[Razleplasm] (NA) 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (6子コメント)

What does this explain or show? I guess it could be a joke thread, and I'm not against that.

[–]overdrive18 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Who are the head moderator and facilitator moderators?

[–]DarthUrent 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Totally related. 10/10, would mod again

[–]Pahpahsha 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

How does this directly relate to League of Legends?

[–]RisenLazarus 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (24子コメント)

I feel like I didn't read anything new or if it was new it was inconsequential. The only thing that interests me in all of it is:

Whenever we see something that makes it to the front page, we require at least one other moderator to give a “+1” (unless there are no other mods available at all, which barely ever happens). That way it’s never any single moderator that removes something that has reached front page.

Please explain this a bit. Are you saying that all front page posts are immediately flagged and removed unless one mod +1's (i.e. approves) it? Or are you saying that to remove a front page post, you need the approval (i.e. "second") of another mod? The way it's written suggests the former, which concerns me because I did not think the role of moderators was to give their stamp of approval to what is considered "good" (i.e. front page) content. If it's the latter, I was under the impression that removal of front page posts was considered under higher scrutiny.

[–]finallylupus 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This thread is the moderation team covering their ass. Everyone here is thinking it.

[–]picflutepicflute (NA) 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (3子コメント)

/r/lolcsstest has the following benefits that will come with it

  • Server Status in a more visual appealing format

  • Match Schedule on the sidebar

  • Cooler Sidebar

  • Solar Leona and Dark Diana Theme (god bless)

  • Cleaner Submission bar

  • Easier to manage Userflair and Linkflair.

It's something that we hope you all will like. It's been in construction for a while and should be rolled out soon.

[–]digitallyApocalyptic[digiApocalypse] (NA) 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is this soon as in truly soon, or soon as in soonTM ? Is there any sort of timeline that you can give us regarding this? I seem to remember that this has been in development for quite a while, and it seems kind of confusing as to what is preventing it from being pushed to the main sub.

I understand that it's kind of iffy to give out timelines, because everyone expects them to be followed, but I was just sort of curious if there's anything you can give us other than "it'll be done soon." I understand this is a big project, and you guys have my utmost respect; just kind of curious if there's anything else you can share regarding when this is going to be pushed to the main sub/what's preventing it from being pushed sooner.

[–]ko- 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The css looks great. I'm looking forward to have that style in the main sub.

[–]drkumlaunchr69 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (41子コメント)

Will you remove the "content directly related to LoL" rule? It is way too vague and seems like you can make anything fall under that umbrella to justify its removal

[–]JBrambleBerry 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This doesn't address your issues of transparency or consistency at all. We know who you are, we know what you're supposed to do, we just get mad when you make it up as you go.

[–]Mitigationz 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So basically, you all are hiding behind every possibly veil you can find even though the person you seem to be attacking already gave you a perfectly good straw man to defend yourself with, So I wonder to myself, why a giant wall of text explaining your transparency, the rules are listed on the side of the page, and all your job entails is the enforcement of those rules, so why are we having obtuse discussions about your subjective morality? Oh right, because you brought it into question.

[–]ko- 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You guys should clarify on "directly related to League of Legends" rule of the subreddit and actually act on it and keep it consistent. consistency is key here. IMO the rule needs to be rewritten because the rule is so ambiguous and you have had problems with it in the past.

[–]bpusef 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (3子コメント)

What kind of masochist would want to moderate this whiny shit hole of a subreddit? That's all I got. Good luck with the angsty kids.

[–]Slice_of_Toast[Slice of Toast] (EU-W) 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why was this post removed when it didn't break the witch hunting rule? When I asked why, I got a link response saying it was witch hunting, even though I clearly explained why it wasn't breaking the rules. Yet, I was ignored

I did eventually get a response from another mod who quoted

the most safe non-witch hunts will avoid accusing a specific target.

even though there was only one target, with clear evidence against him. There was no call to action, just OP stating the facts, yet it was still taken down.

Please clear up what you mean by witchhunting. It was not a personal attack, it was laying out the evidence incriminating him. I don't consider a summoner name to be personal info, and it wasn't stated in the witchhunting rules, so please clarify this.

And yes, before you ask, I'm saltier than the fucking dead sea about this all.

[–]Swampire 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

ITT: /r/Leagueoflegends mods trying to save face when people are finally getting sick of their constant shit.

[–]Republican_Atheist 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (15子コメント)

I used to think the mods on this sub did a pretty good job, these past few weeks have shown that just isn't true. Honestly, really disappointing, this addresses none of the grievances that the community has with the way the sub currently is.

I'm beginning to wonder whether the sub is run for the users or for the mods.

[–][deleted] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (14子コメント)

As someone who doesn't have any grievances, can you explain why you're mad? What is being done that's so wrong?

[–]Tazzure 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Sick of meta posts... I personally don't care and I'm pretty sure a lot of others don't either. I'm here for league

[–]Zaloon 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (8子コメント)

If you didn't care you wouldn't be in it. It barely takes any space.

[–]Tazzure 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (7子コメント)

I am pretty sure it didn't throw me off my daily schedule to pop in this thread for 7 seconds and state my opinion. It doesn't take any space, but there is so much drama around this crap and its annoying and unnecessary.

[–]Kadexe 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Look at the comments in this thread. People obviously want a frank conversation with the mod team, they're upset with with how the sub has been managed as of lately.

[–]MLL91 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's all well and good to share what you do, and how you do it. But I can't help wondering if what we need right now is figuring out what the community wants and needs you to do. After all the community is the spirit of reddit. I hope this doesn't come off as harsh. :)

[–]Trollahkiin 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

We are who we are, DJ (rito) turn it up (up) (up (up).

[–]Limakoko 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Ugh these past few weeks have just shown how stupid people on this sub can be. Yeah the rules can be clarified more and the mods can be a bit more open with stuff, but they do a good job compared to oh idk the majority of other subs moderators. No matter what they do people will just complain. Take down a thread that breaks the rules? "Nazi mods at it again." Leave it up? "Idiot mods so inconsistent with their rulings." Few people could do a better job than the mods and without them this place would be a cesspool.

[–]BigFatNoGives Good Responses 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Seriously, this sub is fun, the videos are awesome and the articles about e-sports are (mostly) a good read. Not to mention the presence of Riot employees and loads of pro players. Yes, there are loads of shitposts here, but who cares, you can just hide them with one click. The people in this thread are overreacting and I can't imagine being a mod here. You're doing it for free, it's all volunteer work, and it takes loads of time too, yet people are only shitting all over them. It's pretty awful

[–]avatoxico[BattleBootyRiven] (BR) 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Most people who reply do these kind of threads are the ones who hates the mods so we have this impression that everyone hates them.

Like those silly reposts on /r/all with nearly every single comment hating on it, who likes it upvoted and went to live their lives, who hated stopped by to...hate on it.

660.000+ members and what do we have here, 700 comments. Makes me believe that the majority of the community doesn't give a shit or don't hate the mods.

[–]TehAlpacalypse[TheAlpacalypse] (NA) 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

90/9/1 rule is law for reddit and has been proven multiple times across multiple studies and in backroom discussions as well. 90% of the users (all but 66,000 at least) will lurk but not participate. 9% of users will care enough to vote. 1% will comment. And in threads like this, usually even less will as only those with dissenting opinions will.

[–]avatoxico[BattleBootyRiven] (BR) 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Looks interesting, where can i find some of these studies?

[–]TehAlpacalypse[TheAlpacalypse] (NA) 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

/r/TheoryOfReddit is really cool in this if you like that sort of thing, I believe /r/circlebroke has a couple as well

[–]avatoxico[BattleBootyRiven] (BR) 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks , i'll take a look later

[–]Warhood 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (7子コメント)

So I am going to ask this and probably be ignored, but why exactly do you need a NDA for a conversation like that. You are literally given no private information. That's really worrying, cause it makes me wonder what actually is said in that chat if that is what you are suppose to use it for.

[–]avatoxico[BattleBootyRiven] (BR) 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Didn't this sub help tease Vel'Koz for example? Isn't that the kind of thing that requires a NDA ?

[–]akim1026 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

NDA are for cover your ass situations. There could be other possibilities like they could say "hey mods we are nerfing Irelia next patch so expect an influx of posts at this time." But they don't want that information shared publicly yet. Helps the mod team prepare and do their job better but giving them freedom to say that knowing it wouldn't be shared, especially if things are tentative.

[–]ArcSjc 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (10子コメント)

A lot of people are pointing out that moderators are volunteers and should only be janitors. While this is partially true; This is NOT how subreddits work. The head moderator owns the subreddit. They get to choose what is allowed to posted, if others can view it, what it looks like, etc.

We are fortunate to have a moderator team that is community focused. I've seen a few other subs crumble because of the mod problems.

This post wasn't made to answer all the questions about the rules, its meant to be a reference to what the mods do and what tools they use.

[–]dresdenologist 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (6子コメント)

This will be long, so bear with me.

A couple people have asked or implied this post is pointless, when it's really not - the point of the post was to explain how things typically happen as far as moderation is concerned. Addressing issues or recent criticisms should likely be a separate discussion.

That being said, I have questions:

Primarily and most importantly: How are moderators trained to make decisions, and how are moderation conflicts or inevitable grey area moderation threads resolved?

The main issue people appear to have with current moderation practice is consistency in enforcement, something which is partially addressed by clearer rules, but which I believe might be alleviated with a Standard Operating Procedure (SOP) for rules enforcement - a default process, given no grey area, for removal, warnings, bans, etc. If you have SOP resources, what are they?

In grey area instances, sometimes I've not moderated something immediately, preferring to consult the larger group before proceeding. Is something similar conducted here, even if mod availability may or may not necessitate an immediate decision? I ask this because of multiple instances where something highly visible was removed or similar action taken, and the common explanation has been "we have many mods/mod available at the time just made a call". Yes, sometimes the ebb and flow of the community means this is ok, but when it results in greater fallout, it may not be worth to moderate before consulting, or even to moderate at all. Reddit is a weird beast and carries with it many dynamics unique to itself as opposed to the traditional forum. It necessitates flexibility.

How do you use Toolbox? For the uninitiated, /r/toolbox is home to a moderator plugin that allows for user note history, easy bans/moderations, moderation of new and unmoderated queue, notifications and more. It's an invaluable tool and I'm curious to know how the /r/leagueoflegends team employs it in moderation decisions.

What happens when moderation involves a Riot employee, a pro player, or reporter? These individuals are obviously well-known, and it is inevitable that moderation may sometimes cross them. Do you treat them the same? Differently? Let's say Dyrus posts something that is low effort content or spam. How about if a Rioter gets involved in a flamewar inadvertently?

What happens when moderators on the team are found to be having challenges moderating, when a pattern of inconsistent or inaccurate moderation is discovered, or when personal conflicts arise between mods? Resolving and correcting bad trends in moderation as well as keeping a volunteer team afloat with so many different personalities is of paramount importance to keeping things going properly. How is this done right now?

...and finally

What ways do you plan on integrating community feedback about the subreddit's policies and direction moving forward in the future? What's an example of something you did that took community feedback into account and got adjusted? The fact is that any private space with rules is not a democracy. There is no free speech in these places and these rules exist for a reason. It is as a statement of fact (not as an attack) that this is the /r/leagueoflegends mods' rules, and the rules are enforced at their discretion, ultimately.

That being said, online communities like this one depend on a level of trust, and that trust goes two ways. The moderators trust the community to respect the rules, know that at times they might want something that's important to them, and that they don't turn the place into a mess in general. The community trusts the moderators not to abuse their power, listen to (AND implement) feedback that makes sense, and keep things relatively fair in terms of rules enforcement. When the trust is broken on some level, and I think it has on both sides, you get problems like the recent ones being experienced. So I'm curious as to how the mod team will do their part for repairing the trust that some people might have felt has been damaged as far as moderation is concerned.

Thanks for reading.

[–][deleted] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What are you buying? What are you selling?

[–]readitall2 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why is everyone crying these past couple days?

[–]FPSWizzy 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thread has nothing about who you guys are lol.

[–]lanternoflife 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is something that's super important and nice to have. People freaking out over the NDA and not realizing it's just a legal thing that covers Riot so that they CAN give you guys this information and discuss this stuff. Honestly I support the MOD team and Riot in keeping lines open between players and game makers.

People who try to rock that boat simply want attention and will never be happy. Thank you for bringing clarity and explaining to us how you guys work. Some 'writers' will as always have something to say but know that at least one user is very happy with what you guys do. Thanks!

[–]raorbit 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That is a circular argument. If there isn't anything shady then why did we hear nothing of the NDA before Richard revealed this? And if they are just talking about server issues then why do they need an NDA?

[–]Best_Poro[Best Poro] (NA) 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The amount of downvotes on literally almost in all of the Mod comments are repulsive; they communicate then basically are told to fuck off by the community....

[–]Sifinite 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I feel so bad for humanity in general when reading these posts. These are human beings who slave away making this subreddit a likeable place for all of us, or at least trying to do so, and every time they misstep or or a misunderstanding happens, it's WW1 all over again. The people running this place don't do it for money. If you want more professionalism, go to a paysite.

[–]deathspade42[Tadiken] (NA) 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

lol

[–]dannyfanny08 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (33子コメント)

So if the skype room has only people from riot who deal with server maintenance, why do you need to sign an NDA to be in there

[–]Kadexe 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd like to thank you guys for deleting the 666 Teemo post from the front page so promptly after I messaged you. I know it's been getting harder and harder to keep the memeposts and crap out of our subreddit.

Edit; why did I get downvoted for this?

[–]drswnemo 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The amount of entitlement in these comments is ridiculous.

[–]rhinoseverywhere 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reddit is so funny. They seem to think you guys have some agenda and are abusing your power in a subreddit devoted to entertainment and videogames. Always good for a laugh to see people respond in such a defensive manner. You guys just keep doing what you're doing. Some clearer rules couldn't hurt, but people's responses here are over the top as well.

[–]PurpleMilkyWay 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hey guys! Hope I'm not too late to join the thread, just wanted to weigh in with my two cents.

Mods give janitors a bad name.