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[–]TYsir 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (5子コメント)

He is what democrats think ALL republicans are like

[–]bllasaeLibertarian Conservative 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think he's a woman-hating, gun-shooting Nazi.

[–]NBegovich 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean, I'm pretty liberal – I avoid identifying as a Democrat for the same reason I assume most of you guys probably don't call yourselves Republicans – and you know what? Conservatives have... interesting views sometimes, but you typically surprise me one-on-one. I only want Jeb to get nominated if Sanders gets nominated so that the choice will be that much easier for people heh heh but no I don't think that jackass reflects anyone's opinions other than the super rich, you know?

[–]blackProctologist 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

No you're thinking of Ted Cruz

[–]JackBond1234 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

At least they would have a realistic image of what conservatism is supposed to look like.

[–]timtom45 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I doubt democrats think all republicans are first generation hispanic americans.

[–]stemgang 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (8子コメント)

The MSM loves to give advice to conservatives. I assume it is either wishful thinking to try to get conservatives to become liberals, or simply bad advice to try to sabotage them.

[–]phondeuxLibertarian Conservative 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sometimes both.

[–]AllAboutMeMedia 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The so called MSM loves to give advice, period. They asked Bernie Sanders if he should go negative against Hillary in order to be taken seriously. He eloquently told them to piss off.

[–]pumpyourstillskin 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (1子コメント)

"Republicans should elect an aisle crossing maverick like McCain."

(One week after McCain wins the primary)

"McCain is an extremist right wing racist who hates poor people."

[–]JackBond1234 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That first part is what /r/Republican is saying about Jeb.

[–]AintEzBnWhite 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Jeb & Biden are wonderful examples of why, among other reasons, primary voting is restricted for those registered to the opposing party.

However, I would like to see, just for shits and giggles, how convincingly each would carry the oppositions vote.

Also, on a somewhat similar note -- I think Carson(fewest) and Rubio(2nd fewest) would gather the fewest Dem votes in an open Republican primary, Thoughts? Finally, who do you think would garner the fewest Republican votes if such a thing were allowed in the Dem's primary?

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Edit: Oops! I meant for this to be a new comment and not necessarily a reply to you specifically, /u/stemgang. Hopefully, you can find a way to forgive me eventually, /u/stemgang. ;)

[–]stemgang 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

All is forgiven.

Heck, Reddit wants to nominate Bernie Sanders.

While he certainly matches the Reddit groupthink, he is hilariously unelectable. Maybe we should back him too.

[–]flyingburritoman 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's all condescension because they don't actually believe a republican can win. They think they have it in the bag, so a little advice to the inevitable losers makes them feel good. It's like letting you your little brother get a couple good hits in when wrestling, you know he has no chance.

[–]MiyegomboBayartsogtSupporter 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Hillary isn't running for the office as much as she is standing still hoping entitlement will sweep her in. The media has been left doing her campaigning. This includes choosing her opponent. The only thing that would turn voters off more than Hillary is a Hillary/Bush rematch reeking of the 1990s.

[–]mstrdsastrModerate Conservative 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

To be fair, she has a fair chance that it will work. If she gets the nomination, the game changes. Especially if the Republicans field a weak candidate. The demographics of liberal urban areas is undeniable, and very strong. Whether it looks that way or not, this is going an uphill battle.

[–]minibudd -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

if the Republicans field a weak candidate

IF!? They will. Hands down, they will. They always do. That's the game.

The media/democrats pick the candidate, the republicans oblige, everyone loses either way. The whole thing is a sham.

And it's quite telling that you can go to r/liberal or r/politics and find almost nothing about how they hate front-runners who betray their actual ideals (Clinton, Obama). But over here, you will find us front-paging posts that flame Jeb/Romney/Mccain.

That should go a LONG way to reveal the type of people we are versus what they are. They value party affiliation ABOVE ALL, FOREVER. We do not.

[–]justanothersmartass 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think a third party could have a chance if that happens.

[–]AloftMD 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

She's basically limiting her exposure until closer to the general election, which is smart.

[–]MiyegomboBayartsogtSupporter 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

When you own the major media outlets and are guaranteed unabashed loyalty from most media personalities, you can coast. Rules for regular people aren't rules for Clinton Inc.

[–]AloftMD 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Absolutely.

[–]Shaleena 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Rules for regular people aren't rules for Clinton Inc.

Does this apply to Bush Inc?

[–]Blakbeanie 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The media is the last person you want to talk to reach voters. The Republican candidates have been gaffe-ing it up and Hillary just has to let them defeat themselves. People under 35 don't watch the news networks. A modern candidate can use all forms of social media to directly reach voters.

[–]NBegovich 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Liberal here: would you rather your candidate face her or Sanders? Why? (Just bored and curious.)

[–]Lucretius 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's exactly right. I feel the only republican canidate she has a hope of defeating is Jeb. Therefore we should go as conservative as we can with a Walker-Rubio ticket!

[–]Polyscikosis 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The ONLY difference between Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush..... is the color of the stick used to beat the shit out of the American people...... Blue or Red. Its STILL a stick, and it's STILL beating the shit out of us.

[–]superwookee 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Just like Romney last time.

[–]FlareCorran 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

And McCain before him.

[–]superwookee 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Remember when they knocked Rick Perry out of the top spot with a rock that had the n word on it, on rented hunting ground, that he hadn't set foot on in decades, and the word had been painted over a decade ago?

Good times

[–]cowboyhazeConservative 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's awful. Please do not vote for this clown.

[–]unsafeword 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I honestly don't know much about Jeb. I do know that regardless of all else, the name costs him a point or two during the election.

There are conservatives who won't pull the lever on another Bush after George W's reckless fiscal policies. Many leftists who might have otherwise stayed home won't be able to resist showing up to vote against the name.

He would have to be miles better than the next candidate to not make him a foolish choice.

[–]The__Imp 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Words can't express how disappointed I will be if the 2016 presidential election is Bush vs Clinton.

[–]Armageddon_It[🍰] 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (8子コメント)

I noticed a recent uptick in Jeb articles on liberal/"progressive" subreddits. They acknowledge him much more than we do.

I guess even though we have 15 diverse candidates, they want to insist on the no choice model. They call themselves democrats, but they forgot how to practice democracy.

[–]tinteoj 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (4子コメント)

If it makes you feel any better, those of us that are really on the left don't really like the media's narrative about the inevitability of Clinton being the candidate, either.

[–]Armageddon_It[🍰] 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (3子コメント)

You can always vote Republican. Help restore balance and order to the universe! C'mon, you know you wanna.

[–]steve-d### 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm in the same boat as tinteoj. I'm fairly liberal, but don't want Clinton 2.0 just as much as I don't want Bush 3.0.

The only conservative I would happily vote for is Jon Huntsman.

[–]joobtastic### 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I also liked huntsman. All of the other republican candidates for their time in the sun until their dirty laundry dragged them down. Its a shame huntsman didn't get his chance.

[–]Apollo_O 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I practice the idea of voting for the opposite party that you normally do for primaries. If everyone did that, you could basically ensure the most of radical politicians weren't in the mix when it came to general elections.

[–]FlapJackPete 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

To be honest, the same thing is happening here too. There is a big up surge in Bernie Sanders and all we talk about here is Hillary. Just did a little street poll at work of 12 dem coworkers in conversation, and none are considering Hillary, they are all for Bernie.

[–]Armageddon_It[🍰] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, but I think the difference is Hillary will be the likely nominee, while Jeb has a ton of legit competition he's unlikely to overcome.

[–]joobtastic### 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree. I prefer Bernie, and would Vite for him, but basically only because he isn't Hilary. He is just as nutty as Ron Paul, and should get the same kind of attention this year as well.

[–]sallypug 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just like McCain was. No way he wins if he's the nominee. If, what....4 mill gop voters stayed home over Romney, how many will stay home for this clown? Immigration and common core are his babies.

[–]keeemon 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's also the Republican pick by the Democrats.

The left cannot beat a truly conservative candidate. The media knows this so they push middle of the road softies.

[–]SoundOfDrums 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think most democrats would rather Romney run again... that shit was hillarious to watch.

[–]Electric_Flag 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

hillarious

I saw what you did there.

[–]figecLibertarian Conservative 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Before we start spewing untruths and playing into the hands of the spinners, let's take a moment to review what we do know about Jeb Bush.

[–]unsafeword 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I had forgotten that Jeb lead the charge early on with the whole Schiavo thing. That dragged on for years, and ultimately lead to the conservatives blowing what had looked like a mandate after the 2004 elections. Fresh off the win, early 2005 was wasted on a circus because of this. The costs and missed opportunities were huge.