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Parents knowingly dilute breastmilk with water, killing 10 week old daughter; refuse medical help, insisting on prayer to heal her (news.com.au)

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[–]bakedNdelicious 55 ポイント56 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is so, so sad. Poor baby

[–]Ravewolf 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yea man. Not much makes me cry, but this did. Fuck.

[–]ZodiacSeven 208 ポイント209 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Dear god, please bless upon me a Chick-fil-A sandwich. I am starving and refuse to eat any food unless it is delivered from your grace. I am unable to drive myself to get one as I am heavily invested in reruns of The Bachelor. God, if you can also take the trash out for me it would be greatly appreciated, it is starting to really smell.

Amen

[–]sonicjesus 113 ポイント114 ポイント  (1子コメント)

And the Lord saeth "Tis Sunday, day off bitches. Waffle fries I denies".

[–]NippleCitizen 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Gotta praise fast!

[–]Altair1371 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Welcome to the horrible teachings of prosperity Gospel. You don't have to do anything, the Lord will give you wealth and health. Just ignore the parts in the Bible where it says that you'll be tested for your faith and whatnot, and that Christianity isn't a "get out of tough times free" card.

[–]jmjarrels 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Embalm in Chick-Fil-A sauce, my Lord.

[–]dinklebob 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

God that stuff is so good.

[–]Llort2 60 ポイント61 ポイント  (1子コメント)

A fellow was stuck on his rooftop in a flood. He was praying to God for help.

Soon a man in a rowboat came by and the fellow shouted to the man on the roof, "Jump in, I can save you."

The stranded fellow shouted back, "No, it's OK, I'm praying to God and he is going to save me."

So the rowboat went on.

Then a motorboat came by. "The fellow in the motorboat shouted, "Jump in, I can save you."

To this the stranded man said, "No thanks, I'm praying to God and he is going to save me. I have faith."

So the motorboat went on.

Then a helicopter came by and the pilot shouted down, "Grab this rope and I will lift you to safety."

To this the stranded man again replied, "No thanks, I'm praying to God and he is going to save me. I have faith."

So the helicopter reluctantly flew away.

Soon the water rose above the rooftop and the man drowned. He went to Heaven. He finally got his chance to discuss this whole situation with God, at which point he exclaimed, "I had faith in you but you didn't save me, you let me drown. I don't understand why!"

To this God replied, "I sent you a rowboat and a motorboat and a helicopter, what more did you expect?"

[–]ThatGuyBradley 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Why did you send a flood first? "

[–]plipyplop 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Praise the Lard!

[–]LeyfLeyf -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You really hit the nail on the head with what a lot of people have... "Done with" their religions

[–]jnr_77 118 ポイント119 ポイント  (21子コメント)

Oh come on. They named her NEVEAH and refused all medical treatment from the beginning of the pregnancy. It's pretty clear they intended for her to die because they didn't want her and they're just claiming "religious exemption" as a get out of jail free card.

[–]Snowboots11 53 ポイント54 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Ugh I know, the name makes me cringe. My uncle's step daughter named her baby that, I feel like there should be some sort of test before you have a kid. "Do you find heaven spelled backwards is an acceptable baby name? No? Good carry on then."

[–]symoneluvsu 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Am I missing something or shouldn't it be spelled Nevaeh then?

[–]Snowboots11 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Little Nevaeh weighed less when she died than she did at birth

Looks like /u/jnr_77 had a little typo, but I knew what they meant.

[–]symoneluvsu 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I have seen it spelled Naveah irl. I mean that makes more sense phonetically since its pronounced nah-vay-ah. To me Navaeh should be pronounced nah-vay-ay.

[–]Snowboots11 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not going to disagree with you, but I think people who are naming their kid that aren't generally going to put that much more thought into it.

[–]BlueVelvet90 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, you're right, they just typo'd.

[–]rad_as_heck 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Neveah is such a dumb name. I know some one who named there daughter that. Whats worse is that her name is Heaven. So its her name backwards. I actually thought this was about her for a second because iirc it said they were from MN.

[–]supermegaultrajeremy 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (5子コメント)

That's wonderfully egotistical. I think I'm going to name my first son Ymerej.

[–]rad_as_heck 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yea it definitely is. But what can you expect from a teen mom.

[–]Snowboots11 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So would your kids user name be superultramegaymerej then?

[–]bmorestoney 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nomar Garciaparra's fathers name is Ramon

The more you know

[–]ConsonantQ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sounds like e-marriage.

[–]CJL13 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'll name my daughter Anna.

[–]chaoskitty 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

In high school, I knew a Heavenly, a Stormy, a Windy, a Misty, a Dawn and two Autumns. That adds nothing to the discussion but its always amused me.

[–]rad_as_heck 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Do you live in utah?

[–]AjaxGb [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Just add Ash and you've got a new Pokémon series!

[–]room23 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

how do you even pronounce that? I almost say it like Nivea, the skin cream.

[–]hypo-osmotic [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I don't really see anything wrong with the name Nevaeh/Neveah, it isn't a profanity and it isn't the name of an infamous dictator. Giving a kid your own name backwards is a little weird, but men name their sons after themselves without any alteration at all and that's never looked down upon.

[–]agorby00 75 ポイント76 ポイント  (43子コメント)

I hate to say it, but.... Judging by the picture, Obviously there was money for food in that house. Yes, baby formula is expensive, but so is soda and junk food.

[–]NeonDisease 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (1子コメント)

"Aunt Peggy, what's foodstuff?"

"It's like food, but cheaper."

[–]Dyolf_Knip 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Genuine all-natural 100% organic artificial food-like product.

[–]Ollvoj 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Little Nevaeh weighed less when she died than she did at birth."

Now this is just fucked up

[–]PhotoShopNewb 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What, their church couldn't help them pay for formula? Shit formula is basically free on food stamps.

What a load of horse shit. I hope they get jail time. This is a disgrace.

[–]Izzeheh 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yea sure, praying heals all wounds.

[–]YosserHughes 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can you imagine the life this poor child would have had if it had survived, being raised by a couple of lunatics.

[–]NickMoore30 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (2子コメント)

This is natural selection spelled out. It's sad for the baby though, no matter their parents. Parents often think they have gift the world by creating children, but you have brought into the world life, by no choice or fault of the child. You owe that child everything.

Btw I am religious, but there's a line between religion and taking control of your own life.

[–]LethalWeapon10 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sloth is a sin. You're not suppose to be a lazy fuck and be a Christian. And not providing for your child is one of the worst sins. These fucks are far from what Christians are suppose to be.

[–]moreboards 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't forget Gluttony!

[–]predpilot85 62 ポイント63 ポイント  (25子コメント)

This is ridiculous.

I pray. I pray a lot. But, I don't pray to be skinny and then sit around and wait for it to happen. I have to do my part. People that think prayer alone solves problems, ARE the problem.

To deliberately, albeit unknowingly(hopefully), place your child at death's door and then refuse to get her medical attention is disgusting and irresponsible. I hope that they have no more children, because if they are lucky enough to survive infancy who knows what else their parents might screw up.

[–]Holmespump 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

“Pray to God, but row away from the rocks.”

~Hunter S. Thompson

[–]sonicjesus 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I never understand these people. Before the industrial revolution, half of children died before adulthood. Are they under the impression the parents didn't pray hard enough? Why do they eat every day, shouldn't they have faith the Lord will protect them?

[–]Peeeeeeeeeej 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (14子コメント)

Man this story is sad but I don't know who to rage at.

There's about 13 different media outlets covering this story all with their own take on the situation. For example in one outlet it was noted that the parents were too poor to purchase formula and the mother was not producing enough breast milk naturally, which can happen and is no fault to the mother.

But then there's the side of the story where it seems that the father was this megalomaniac holistic freak who refused all types of medical intervention and the mother either believed in it as well or if coerced into it because of the environment she was in.

And lastly just as a warning to all those quick to pass judgment (especially to those redditors who are not parents), all the books, all the prenatal and postnatal education from the hospital only help so far. Kids do not come with an instruction manual and being a good parent requires a lot of "on the job" training. Prior to this story I never heard of diluting breast milk as an option or a big no no, however, was warned that you should never give water to a baby prior to 6 months old, so I guess from my own logical conclusions that diluting breast milk should never be an option. Also quick note, this no water before a certain age is a fairly new development in baby care as I recall my mother telling me I should give my daughter water at one point and I told her that the doctors said no. This is by no means an attempt at excusing the parents but that things need to be put into context.

All being said this is a really sad story.

EDIT: Got a lot of great comments. Listen, I'm not trying to be an apologist here, let's face the facts there is a dead 2 month old. However I just wanted to note how different narratives around the media outlets have arose and im not to sure who to be angry at So I pose instead of getting angry, why can't we as a society come up with reasonable solutions to prevent this from happening again?

[–]Tamatebako 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

They're saying in the article that the baby weighed less when she passed away than at birth. At 2 months 2w that is extreme, there's no way you wouldn't notice something was wrong. I can excuse not knowing water over formula is bad for the baby but to let the baby die that way without seeking medical attention is just gross negligence. The baby's spine was portruding from her back and they still refused to seek medical attention? These people deserve all the jail time they can get.

all the prenatal and postnatal education from the hospital only help so far. Kids do not come with an instruction manual and being a good parent requires a lot of "on the job" training.

I completely agree, it's been a learning experience with my little 6 month old. But this is an entirely different level of ignorance. It seems the only time they visited the hospital was for the cesarean delivery, and the article states it was because they had to. She refused prenatal vitamins, I mean, come on! It's clear they refused all guidance and advice in regards to caring for their little one and she suffered a slow and painful death because of it.

[–]Peeeeeeeeeej 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Granted however I stand by my point about differing articles. Each one is painting a different narrative and if it's true that the baby had suffered in such a way and that a normal reasonable person would be able to tell there was something wrong with the child then yes throw the book at them. Let's let the court decide that

[–]sonofaresiii 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

the parents were too poor to purchase formula and the mother was not producing enough breast milk naturally, which can happen and is no fault to the mother.

It seems like there's many, many solutions to this problem, including as a worst case scenario just going to the hospital and being like "My kid's dying, help?"

[–]librarymania 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Serious question - why can't babies drink water? And what is that infant water you see for sale at grocery stores?

I know the article says that the mixture of water and formula caused the babies' sodium levels and electrolytes to drop and her brain to swell, but was that due to the mixture of water and formula, or is that something that happens if a baby drinks water in general?

[–]Patrikc 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

You can give babies water, our pediatrician told us (at 2 months) that some water would help constipation. But water is absolutely not a substitute for milk/formula, the nutrients are invaluable to babies.

[–]librarymania 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh totally, I get that it's not a substitute.

So, it is okay to give water to babies sometimes then?

[–]Tamatebako 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It won't hurt them but it's just not recommended and there's really no reason to do so. Babies get all the hydration/nutrition they need from breastmilk. If they fill up on water then they won't drink their breastmilk at mealtimes and will start losing weight. What happened to the baby in the article is just that but taken to extremes.

[–]Peeeeeeeeeej 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What was told to me by my doctor is to imagine a golf ball. That's the size of an infants stomach. Not a whole lot of room. If you fill it with water than there's no room for the breastmilk/formula and no room for actual nutrients.

[–]Baltorussian 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dunno...my grandmother told me stories of her childhood during/post WW2.

She was born in 1942, in NAZI occupied Latvia. When her mother went to work the fields, she'd be under a tree, in a basket, with a piece of bread soaked in water stuck in her mouth. But she was older than 6 months at this point. Up until then it was breast/cow/goat milk.

[–]berger77 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

My 10 year old nephew said it the best just randomly to my mom once - Maybe its not the best idea for poor ppl to have children.

[–]Aitamen -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Kids do not come with an instruction manual and being a good parent requires a lot of "on the job" training.

Hi. There's a field known an ECE/ECD (Early Childhood Education/Early Childhood Development) which can tell you best practice and proper actions for nearly every situation you're likely to find, as well as explanations for why those are what they are so you can expand into territory that isn't directly covered.

If you think there's no "manual", you might want to look into the NAEYC and their resources.

There is, and there has been for at least a decade.

[–]Peeeeeeeeeej 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is ridiculous and far from the point. Yes there is a general theory on how to teach a child, but does the nyevc cover how to treat wounds, or how to store breast milk effectively, or how to get your kid to go to sleep, or how to do a correct tuck in (yes my daughter has a very specific way she has to be tucked in at night). There is without a doubt a wealth of information and tools to help raise a child but no one way is perfect or works for every child nor covers every topic that will ever come up in raising a child.

My point about parenting being "on the job" training is just to point out that those on here are quick to judge like a super Mr hindsight superhero, there's a lot of different articles surrounding this story that have different naratives

[–]Aitamen -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

but does the nyevc cover how to treat wounds, or how to store breast milk effectively, or how to get your kid to go to sleep, or how to do a correct tuck in (yes my daughter has a very specific way she has to be tucked in at night).

Yes (basic first aid and health care), yes (basic nutrition teaches this), yes (sleep hygiene, including infancy/health/communication aids), and yes (Also, your daughter, if so focused on a specific tuck, may like the tightness of it; It might make her feel safe, and if so, you might want to help introduce other "safe" things for her to adapt to, eventually).

There is without a doubt a wealth of information and tools to help raise a child but no one way is perfect or works for every child nor covers every topic that will ever come up in raising a child.

The method is adaptive, so will work for every child. It's not dogmatic, but contains rules for structure of atmosphere, and explanation of why things are done.

My point about parenting being "on the job" training is just to point out that those on here are quick to judge like a super Mr hindsight superhero, there's a lot of different articles surrounding this story that have different naratives

I think every parent should have at least a BS in ECE/ECD or child psychology. I think if you can't meet the basic requirements for adoption, you shouldn't breed, because you probably lack the resources to have a child thrive instead of merely survive.

I think most parents are shitty, and fail basic standards, so people who are egregiously out of step, and fail even the super-low legal requirements, are a fucking tragedy.

[–]Feebz 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

To be honest I thought you could give water to an infant as long as it was boiled first... :O

[–]NeonDisease 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Dear Lord, please smite these people for allowing an innocent child to die a completely preventable death.

[–]EatSleepJeep 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The State of Georgia is going to smite them good. The Lord will be sitting this one out.

[–]rugbygurl89 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Vile people, they obviously had enough money to feed their fat selfish faces rather than feed that poor little girl. :(

[–]Maxxist 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just because you can procreate doesn't mean you have to. "I've got no money, and I am clearly not a shining beacon of hope for humanity. I better have a baby."

[–]deadbird17 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

She could've afforded formula of she diluted her own food a little bit.

[–]VIIIMan 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

These stories used to never bother me. Now I've got a three year old with another due in September and stories like these just make my heart hurt. That poor baby was doomed from the start. I think both of these people should be sterilized. Them and all the others that do shit like this.

[–]giedow1995 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So formula is okay for them, but going to a doctor isn't???

[–]SnoopKittyCat 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why diluting, reasonably, breast milk with water can kill the baby ?

[–]no_harm_no_foul 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because diluted milk delivers diluted nutrition, insufficient to support the growth or life energy of the infant.

[–]Ivanjacob 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh how much I'd love to punch the living shit out of that fat bitch..

[–]lethalweapon100 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Lord took your baby because he saw you were an unfit parent.

[–]funktopus 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

WTF? You can get free formula. Shit we got tons of it and my wife breast fed. Our kids doctor would give us cans of it every time we went in.

Refused pre-natals too?! Poor kid never had a chance. Sad but the kid is better off now.

[–]Ivanjacob 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

And like nobody they know wanted to buy it for them?

[–]funktopus 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know right! I'm not saying that formula couldn't be cheaper, cause last I looked it was about 33 bucks for a big tub of it at costco. That's for the name brand stuff. Since it's regulated the store brand would be fine too and that runs cheaper. So I'm sure they could of got some folks or even the goverenment or a center to help.

I dunno cut it with some whole cow milk or something.

It's your kid, I'll go hungry before my kid does.

[–]unpopularopiniondude 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The next time someone gets ill, "pray" for them. See how much praying to a fake god will help.

[–]machine667 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh look she's a lardgolem. What a fucking shock.

I hope she dies in pieces and is buried in an unmarked grave. Fucking disgusting sow.

[–]Casual_Bitch_Face 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This doesn't make me rage, it just makes me sad. Clearly the parents were concerned about the child, but the combination of religious beliefs, low intellect, and poverty made them ill equipped to be parents.

[–]AndiArch 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fuck them.

[–]Quantum_Sounds 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

We need someone like Deadpool in real life. He'd steal the baby, take it to child services, and force feed those idiots watered down breast milk till they died.

[–]bleakraven 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, I had no idea this could happen. Good to know, poor baby.

[–]WackyWocky 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You need a 4-day class in rules, a few weeks of exercise and to pass a test to get a licence to drive a car. Why the fuck do we not require something similar for parenthood? Hell, just owning a pet should require such systems. Its obvious there are people out there not fit to be parents and such regulations might weed them out. No idea how to prevent them from getting pregnant though.

[–]iTroLowElo 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The bright side would be the baby would never have to grow up with these morons as parents.

[–]AstralD 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just the other day, I was wondering if babies are supposed to drink water or if they get all the fluids through breastmilk or formula. Guess I know the answer now...

[–]trolldaddyismyname 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I really hate this sub.

[–]stillphat [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Oh my gosh.

[–]king-in-the-north 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Most of the comments here have a really smug, arrogant attitude which is just really fucking low. There's a load of issues here. Not least they didn't have enough money to pay for milk. Granted they aren't bright but it's a great shame that due to poverty they couldn't even afford to feed her in the first place. That poverty is mostly the electorates fault. Whoever put a 'funny' comment which is fucking nasty- you little cunt, I hope your proud.

[–]I_L0VE_BEARS -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Darwin award winners right there.

[–]ThatGuyBradley 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No?

They would have to have gotten their selves killed to win that.