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[–]myothercarisawhale 89 ポイント90 ポイント  (88子コメント)

Here's the questions they use to judge anti-semitism, according to op's source:

  1. Jews are more loyal to Israel than to [this country/to the countries they live in]

  2. Jews have too much power in the business world

  3. Jews have too much power in international financial markets

  4. Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust

  5. Jews don't care what happens to anyone but their own kind

  6. Jews have too much control over global affairs

  7. Jews have too much control over the United States government

  8. Jews think they are better than other people

  9. Jews have too much control over the global media

  10. Jews are responsible for most of the world's wars

  11. People hate Jews because of the way Jews behave

[–]jeppmaps[S] 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (10子コメント)

And they need to agree on at least 6 of them to be enter the stats as holding "anti-semitic views".

[–]myothercarisawhale 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (6子コメント)

My main problem with them is that there is a certain ambiguity with them. "Too much" could simply be read as a disproportionate amount, which is possibly true (I don't have figures on hand), Jewish people do seem to be represented more in many sectors than their numbers would cause you to suspect. Arguments could be made with a few other questions as well, especially No. 1. For many people, especially in areas with very few jews 4 could seem to be true.

On top of all that I think those questions could be asked with many groups substituted, but I don't think that would make you against those groups. I do think it is wrong to conflate all Jewish people as the people who answer yes to a lot of these questions did. In many questions it seems that "Jews" and "Israel" are being treated as one and the same, something which Netanyahu seems to be encouraging.

[–]Blackrider14 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (4子コメント)

The only time Jews and Israel are put together is the first question. Everything else could only be answered true if you believe that Jews are a part of an insular group that conspire together to do those things in the statement.

Jews are responsible for most of the world's wars

Anyone that finds this true is a moron.

[–]myothercarisawhale 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (3子コメント)

The only time Jews and Israel are put together is the first question.

I did not mean that the survey conflates Jews and Israel, but that many people do, and that that is wrong and racist, but that is a problem with media portrayal and education.

Jews are responsible for most of the world's wars

Anyone that finds this true is a moron.

Agreed.

Everything else could only be answered true if you believe that Jews are a part of an insular group that conspire together to do those things in the statement.

I don't see how Jewish people being overly represented in various areas requires them to be insular or conspiring together.

[–]Blackrider14 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well overly represented implies that it matters whether or not someone is Jewish in any particular field. In politics or film or whatever, a Jewish person can represent people that are not Jewish just fine. So long as no preferential treatment is given then there should never be an issue

[–]poloport 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

and yet it means the question may simply be taken as a fact. Is saying something like "Jews are overrepresented in the business industry" being anti-semite, or just acknowleging a fact?

[–]KevinMango 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The wording of the questions doesn't include the words 'over-represented', though. It's 'too much power' or 'too much control'.

[–]GiantDuarf 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I for one see the fact that 3/9 of Supreme Court justices being Jewish despite them being >2% of the population as a curiosity rather than discrimination. Not to suggest some world Zionist conspiracy or some shit like that, or anything to do with religious texts and Nazis or whatnot, or that the Jews are somehow special or genetically different than normal people (hint: culture/ethnicity/identity/religion are social constructs). But obviously there must be some reason as to why Jews seem to be disproportionately over-represented in law. Perhaps schooling, upbringing, "like father like son" or even maybe employer preference (conscious or subconscious) or something along those line. And it's not just Jews either, I too raise an eyebrow when certain careers are dominated by men, women, gay, blacks, etc.

Also out of the 6 dominant "media dynasties" of the US (who control 90% of the US media), 4 are owned by Jews. Make of that what you will.

[–]nappythrill22 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

No affirmative answer to any of those questions would prove an individual is anti-Semitic, or anti-Jewish (since Semitic also includes non-Jews). It may be indicative of other potential racist beliefs but these questions are not strong enough to make the assertion in your title.

[–]sihtydaernacuoytihsy 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Really? "Responsible for most of the world's wars?" "Don't care about what happens to anyone but their own kind?" "People hate Jews because of the way Jews behave?"

You don't need six yes answers if you've agreed with any of those.

[–]sihtydaernacuoytihsy 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Jew here. Weighing in to see how I'd fare.

Jews are more loyal to Israel than to [this country/to the countries they live in]

Nope. I'm a proud 'Merican. Never been to Israel. Annoyed by Israel's politics.

Jews have too much power in the business world

Probably overrepresented in the US, but not as much as Episcopalians. Too much power isn't the issue, really--but rather whether members of other groups are thereby excluded on the basis of being in the wrong group.

Jews have too much power in international financial markets

See above.

Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust

Talk too much about it? What, in history class? At the bar? While playing soccer? I mean, the Shoah's not an excuse to behave like an asshole. If anything, the lesson I take home is that everyone's a potential minority, and that victimizing minorities is bad. (I am a simple man.)

Jews don't care what happens to anyone but their own kind

We didn't help found the f*ing NAACP to help out only black Jews.

Jews have too much control over global affairs

That's weird and creepy.

Jews have too much control over the United States government

Ask me again when there's a Jewish president and/or a Jewish member of the political party that controls Congress.

Jews think they are better than other people

Dan Snyder's an asshole. Not sure who else falls into this category.

Jews have too much control over the global media

See the "business" response.

Jews are responsible for most of the world's wars

Statistically, this doesn't even begin to make sense.

People hate Jews because of the way Jews behave

I suspect most people who "hate Jews" have never met one. It's in the abstract, not a result of personal experience. Personal experience would show that Jews are roughly about as awesome, and about as annoying, as everyone else.

I think I'm 0/11.

[–]Eternally65 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Talking about the Shoah while playing soccer... this happens to me a lot.

"I'm open, kick it to me! And Hitler murdered my grandparents!!!"

Are you saying you have never heard this? /s

[–]sihtydaernacuoytihsy 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think it's usually in context of taking a dive. "He pushed me! Hitler murdered my grandparents! Yellow card! I need a penalty kick!"

Refs usually buy it.

[–]frankiemc123 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Jews actually are over represented in the US Congress, According to this chart, 12 percent of the senate is jewish although only 1.7% of america is jewish. Although it's not like their taking advantage of their power to only benefit other jews. Also there probably won't ever be a jewish president because of how much of a minority they are.

[–]sihtydaernacuoytihsy 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Agreed on the first count. But the Republicans control both houses of Congress, and, since Eric Cantor was defeated, no only one Republican member of congress are is Jewish. Since the question is of "control" and "influence", prominent Jewish Democrats like Chuck Schumer and Debbie Wasserman Schultz have a great deal less of it than when the Democrats were in power in Congress.

I think a more nuanced argument might point to the weird fact that no one on the Supreme Court is Protestant; it's 6 Catholics and 3 Jews. I suspect the explanation isn't a weird papist-kaballah conspiracy, so much as the politics of the post-Bork confirmation process. And it's not like there's been a shortage of Jews in executive-branch appointed positions. E.g., Yellen, Geitner Jack Lew, etc. So it's hardly like the Jews are being kept out of stuff.

I don't know about the president thing. They said that about blacks, mormons, and women--but Obama, Romney, and Hillary Clinton have suggested their candidacies are plausible. (Muslims and atheists are gonna have to be patient.)

[–]BubbaMetzia 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Eric Cantor was defeated, no Republican members of congress are Jewish

Lee Zeldin is Jewish. He was newly elected this Congress.

Jews in executive-branch appointed positions. E.g., Yellen, Geitner

Geithner isn't Jewish.

[–]sihtydaernacuoytihsy 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Holy crap. You're right on both counts.

[–]frankiemc123 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Did you just say that because Hillary was a candidate that Jews could one day be candidates? Jews are 1.7% of america, women are 50%.

[–]sihtydaernacuoytihsy 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, I did not. I said that other historically marginalized groups (I specified which ones) that were once considered non-viable as presidential candidates are now considered viable. There are about as many Jews as there are Mormons in the US. Neither, I think, is presently so discriminated against that their candidacies are non-viable. (Had, say, Elliott Spitzer not collapsed in a pool of his own scandal, he might have been a plausible presidential candidate.)

Happily, America has largely come around to the possibility of a president who was not white, male, and protestant. Kennedy first, Obama next--maybe Marco Rubio or Hillary Clinton next.

[–]FrogfootHaze 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm curious as to how many people aren't really anti-semitic but rather anti-zionist.

[–]modada -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Some of the questions are completely silly. For instance I think jews are better than other people, basically all the jewish people I know were above average, well educated, knew how to behave, mostly tenacious. And this makes easier for them to get a better position than an average man which makes me think they have relatively more control over US government, over financial markets, over global media and so on.

I think I completed 6 thanks to my initial assumption.

[–]damir33 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, it is a very dumb survey. The majority of people may agree to these but it doesn't mean they dislike Jews.

[–][deleted] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

1 is a legitimate concern. The rest are garbage and do indeed point to an irrational hatred.

[–]pharmaceus -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also most likely this is the same questionnaire that is being propagated by - surprise, surprise - the ADL, easily the shittiest and most dishonest mainstream Jewish organization. I've seen it in a couple of magazines in Europe. It was some sort of concerted effort.

It is a poll on who is most resistant to ADL-sponsored political correctness that brainwashed most of the US and whose goal is to promote narrow interests of the Israeli and American Jewish right.

[–]cheezefish 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (3子コメント)

There are currently 4 Jewish residents in Laos out of population of 6.8 million. I'd imagine most laotians don't even know/care for what jews are up to or who they are.

[–]SaintOdhran 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So 13,600 people in Laos dislike the 4 Jews in the country? That seems like a big ratio. Like, they could do shifts, and each person could devote like, one day every nine years to fucking with one of them, and their lives would just be never-ending hell.

[–]Euruxd 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (1子コメント)

History of the Jews in Laos

Of course that's a wikipedia article.

[–]sihtydaernacuoytihsy 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Question 12 was "Jews spend too much time on Wikipedia."

[–]knightarnaud 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (4子コメント)

A map about anti-Islam in Europe would also be interesting.

[–]jeppmaps[S] 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Might just do that.

/r/europe reaction to this was was interesting. A mix of, "those numbers are too high, and also the questions are kinda true". So it would be interesting what they'd say about anti-Islamic stats.

[–]Jewbilant 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

/r/Europe is a hotbed of antisemitism, surpassed only by their Islamaphobia.

[–]any_excuse 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Stormfront brigades /r/europe so it's no surprise

[–]CanaryStu -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

By interesting, you mean desperately sad and frustrating?

[–]TheUnforgiven13 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

can anyone explain the 23% in Japan?

[–]ljak 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_Japan

[–]Neosantana 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's unsurprising since the Japanese have a reputation for discriminating against everyone who isn't Japanese

[–]organicmatter 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was confused and surprised about this as well. Thanks for the link.

[–]kaphi 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Why do Greece and Poland have such high percentages?

[–]sihtydaernacuoytihsy 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Poland:

From the founding of the Kingdom of Poland in 1025 through to the early years of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth created in 1569, Poland was the most tolerant country in Europe.[6] Known as paradisus Iudaeorum (Latin for "Paradise for the Jews"), it became a shelter for persecuted and expelled European Jewish communities and the home to the world's largest Jewish community of the time. According to some sources, about three-quarters of all Jews lived in Poland by the middle of the 16th century.[7][8][9] With the weakening of the Commonwealth and growing religious strife (due to the Protestant Reformation and Catholic Counter-Reformation), Poland’s traditional tolerance[10] began to wane from the 17th century onward.[11] After the partitions of Poland in 1795 and the destruction of Poland as a sovereign state, Polish Jews were subject to the laws of the partitioning powers, the increasingly antisemitic Russian Empire,[12] as well as Austro-Hungary and Kingdom of Prussia (later a part of the German Empire). Still, as Poland regained independence in the aftermath of World War I, it was the center of the European Jewish world with one of world's largest Jewish communities of over 3 million. Antisemitism, however, from both the political establishment and from the general population, common throughout Europe, was a growing problem.[13]

But antisemitism picked up first after the Russians took over most of Poland--the Tsarist government found it convenient to blame Jews for social ills. And again, more so, as the Depression coincided across Europe with a wave of antisemitism.

Greece is less clear. There weren't as many Jews in Greece. The article suggests that perhaps it's a Greek tendency (understandable, given the coups and countercoups of 20th century Greek political history) to engage in conspiracy theory?

[–]jojenpaste 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

In the case of Poland you definitely can't blame Muslims.

[–]Rakirs 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Laos be like "what's a jew"

[–]Yellowone1 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (3子コメント)

As a Belarusian I find it very stupid to hate Jews when one of your grandgrandparents almost certanly was a Jew. Or maybe just complex.

[–]armtamz 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Do a large percentage of Belarusians have Jewish ancestors?

[–]Yellowone1 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

No one counted them, but most of the people I meet have at least one Jew ancestor in the latest 4-5 generations.

[–]armtamz 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I read an article about how many people from the former USSR have distant Jewish ancestry (or claimed to). When the USSR collapsed, many of these people used this to emigrate to Israel.

[–]jamesnthegiantpeach 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Anti-semitism is higher in Greece than in Iran?

[–]iniquest 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Iran as a larger Jewish community with Jews in parliament (for what that is worth).

[–]untipoquenojuega 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (2子コメント)

No. They both have Jewish communities of around 8,000 which is next to nothing in a country of 78,000,000 like Iran.

[–]LupusLycas 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Iran's Jewish community used to be a lot larger.

[–]ArisKatsaris 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It'd not surprise me.

[–]erinadic 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Maybe Iran isn't this land of fire and evil as you might be led to believe.

[–]jeppmaps[S] 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (14子コメント)

Source : http://global100.adl.org/

edit:

Those who are downvoting : is it the quality of the map, or the subject?

[–]JoHeWe 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Although I didn't downvote it, using white-black as color scale for 0-69% isn't that helpful for interpretation. White = 0 and black = 100 is better for peoples idea about the general antisemitism in a country.

[–]jeppmaps[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ok, thank you.

[–]twogunsalute 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Probably the subject. People tend to get upset about posts that put their negative country in a negative light

[–]jeppmaps[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I posted it in /r/europe too. Lets just say they didnt like it.

[–]thesouthbay 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

maybe because this map is provocative. You could as well ask "Europeans and their descendants have too mach control over world's economy, politics, warfare, media, etc" and call everyone an antieuropist.

[–]jeppmaps[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

These conspiracy theories about Jews are very old, and the purpose is to create distrust. Europeans are not a target.

[–]Kestyr -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (7子コメント)

74 percent of people in the MENA hold anti-semetic views. Man I wonder why European anti-semitism has been going up recently.

[–]jeppmaps[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Is it going up though? I´m pretty sure its always been there.

[–]N007 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have heard that Greece is like 95% Muslims. /s

[–]lothal -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

There are a lot of Muslims in Poland?

[–]lared930 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (1子コメント)

For the people who don't know: there are virtually none.

[–]Neosantana 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Come on, don't be silly.

There are like 9.

[–]ThereIsBearCum 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Jesus Greece, chill out.

[–]buried_treasure 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

They've got a fucked economy, huge unemployment, and popular populist politicians. That combination rarely bodes well for any minority group.

[–]MOAR_cake 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Indeed. In times of hardship, the majority are made to blame the weakest minority.

[–]lemonpartiesyis 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

To be fair most of the current anti semitism in Europe is due to the way Israel behaves and is viewed on the global stage, yes I realise that Israel does not = Jews, but lets be realistic about how much people love to generalise, we all do it to an extent its just part of shitty and lazy thinking that most humans do.

Its the same way ISIS does not = Islamic but of course what they do has a strong effect on how people esp Americans view islam/muslims and so on.

[–]nefarious_n 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What happened to Slovakia?

[–]Sir_Meowsalot 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And straight out of left field is...Laos.

[–]Keithdrac4 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Goddammit, Greece.

[–]Republiken -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Well Golden Dawn (nazi party) holds 17 seats in the Hellenic Parliament and is supported by about 50% of the police force :/

[–]masongr 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I dont know why you are being downvoted. This is indeed true. Source Im from Greece

[–]Republiken 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

People think downvoting will change the facts...

[–]Keithdrac4 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, that's a bit horrifying.

[–]Orado 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It would be interesting to see a difference between those who dislike Jews and those who dislike Israel.

[–]Friend-Beast 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The .2 percent in Laos must just be the 5 or 6 Jews there who hate each other.

[–]Connelly90 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow! Greece? I'd really have not put my money on them being to most anti-Semitic.

Thats Hellasurprising ;)

[–]GiantDuarf 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wordwide highest: West Bank/Gaza

Gee, I wonder. Unfortunately the only way a two-state (jigsaw puzzle) solution will work is basically through an economic union similar to the EU due to the issue of Jerusalem, water, and that Palestine is discontinuous.

[–]CanaryStu 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

A Norwegian I worked with recently made some anti-semitic remarks to a Jewish guy in the office. He just shrugged and said everyone is like that in Norway.

[–]Naqoy 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What was the remark? Wast it actually antisemitic or was it just PC antisemitic or "Isreal can do no wrong and everyone who disagrees is an antisemite" antisemitic?

edit: genuinely curious, how people think of Jews vary greatly depending on their history with them and most Scandinavian countries have a relatively casual history with them and are not very sensitive to joking about them like Americans may be but are otherwise pretty indifferent in my experience, so why he would say they are all like that is a genuine question and makes me wonder if that's something he thinks is bad, they think is bad or if you just misinterpreted the situation.

[–]CanaryStu 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He made a joke about Anne Frank, and followed it with "but you're the only Jew I like".

[–]Shpagin 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Slovakia is pretty damn anti-semitic.

Source: I'm Slovak

[–]holytriplem 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Right, I'm no fan of Godwin's Law/Reductio ad Hitlerum arguments, but the parallels between Greece and 1930s Germany are a bit close for comfort:

  • Austerity and deep economic depression caused by a financial bubble: Check

  • A highly anti-semitic population: Check

  • A relatively powerful and popular neo-Nazi party: Check

[–]Ekferti84x 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Usually when countries go through financial distress, theres a huge rise in conspiracy theories and given that jews are often singled out in many of them its not suprising. Although IMF/EU conspiracy theories are more prevalent.

Theres even a rise in anti-US sentiment in greece because greeks thought that the US would bail them out of their financial troubles, but the US didnt.

[–]forcedintegrity -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

All semitic people or just the jews/israelis? I thought arabs are also semitic people. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_people

[–]benadreti 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The term "antisemitic" invariably means anti-Jewish. It's technically a misnomer but that's how it was originally coined and continues to be used.

Using "antisemite" to mean hating anyone who speaks a Semitic language wouldnt really make sense anyways, since doesnt seem to be anyone disliking people due to that.

[–]ljak 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know that it's a bit confusing, but the term "antisemitism" has always meant "racism against Jews" rather than "racism against Semites". This is how it's defined by every dictionary, and how it's used by everyone.

[–]rennfeild 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

whats up with greece? also, china? what did the jews ever do to the chinese?

[–]AlexBrallex -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think Greece has anything at all against Jews, not as this map portrays it.. but when it comes to Arabs they might have another view on it