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MiscellanyFarewell (self.twitchplayspokemon)

ChauzuTPP Truthsayer <3 punWaifu が 投稿

Well, this is the end for me. Got permanently banned, no discussion.

Not my stream, I will accept it and move on with my life.

It is a shame since I really enjoyed this run and worked really hard during it but that's life.

Take care everyone and good luck in the future.

Edit: Ok since this is the main thread on this incident and ppl keep asking what is happening I'll try and summarize.

Moemon was going to test the daycare. The Ivysaur glitched happened, and around a minute later the game reset during democracy. A few people (including me) did downa for new game. All those people were perma banned.

Beyond that I encourage to read the top comments and try and form your own opinion. My personal stance of this has been that I had no bad intent and did not have game deletion in mind, but I also accept my action could have made it happen so I am not debating a ban, just questioning the need for a perma.

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[–]Cyanderᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (0子コメント)

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[–]Pearlshine1494I'm serious guys 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (5子コメント)

see i don't think anyone should be permabanned at all for this.

who cares if we accidentally DID reset the game? it would have been a complete twist and really contributed to the lore ( before anyone says anything, i was completely against resetting, but would accept it if it happened.)

even if Chauzu was trying to reset (he clearly wasn't, as he thought the daycare glitch had been fixed) just because he was telling the chat what to do doesn't mean that the chat had to follow him.

each person has their own free will and can choose not to go with the status quo, do nothing, or even attempt to stop progress in the game (see trolls).

last time i checked, this was called twitchplayspokemon, not chatleadersplaypokemon.

[–]Duplex_be_greatI LOVE ALL YOU GUYS 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

who cares if we accidentally DID reset the game? it would have been a complete twist and really contributed to the lore ( before anyone says anything, i was completely against resetting, but would accept it if it happened.)

This. So much fucking this.

I wish I could give this comment more upvotes. You are so, so right.

Would I have ever wanted or tried to delete our game myself? No. Never. I would have resisted it as hard as possible

But if it had happened while I was asleep? My reaction on learning about it would probably be to laugh. I wouldn't be mad, I would be crying with laughter because it's just part of the story, and it's freaking hilarious.

[–]aysz88Rawr! =3 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

even if Chauzu was trying to reset (he clearly wasn't, as he thought the daycare glitch had been fixed) just because he was telling the chat what to do doesn't mean that the chat had to follow him.

each person has their own free will and can choose not to go with the status quo, do nothing, or even attempt to stop progress in the game (see trolls).

last time i checked, this was called twitchplayspokemon, not chatleadersplaypokemon.

Er, wouldn't this actually strengthen the case for punishment? Chat leading has indeed been discouraged by Streamer for a while now, and Chauzu seems to have successfully led the chat to (at least) attempt the daycare. So the logic would go that punishing Chauzu for chat leading into a dangerous situation would be more justifiable, right?

[–]Tsukistar 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

As the other guy said though- you can make the choice to not follow the status quo or not. Additionally, they mentioned he thought the daycare glitch was fixed.

And all-around, I just feel like the streamer should let the game run it's course, unless of course it ends up freezing or something. Not to mention a permaban seems a bit much.

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    [–]S0NofJORSUNI'm Helping 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Glad I wasn't there at the time, probably would have gotten banned again. No way I could have resisted trying to restart the game.

    It'll be a shame if this ban sticks. I was pretty upset when Tookis got banned back in the day, and unlike him and I, your contribution has been overwhelmingly positive.

    [–]bm001 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I'll be honest, I don't really care about Chauzu's fate, but these bans are just plain stupid.

    Streamer, here are some pro-tips: 1. Do backups every hour, put them on another drive, ideally located somewhere distant (with the money you're currently making, you should do as professionals do) 2. Never perma ban active players (only bots, advertisers, etc.), especially since you're already losing viewers.

    [–]ProjectRevolutionTPPtpp staff kind of sort of 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Other than that list, people ban dodging over and over and over again also deserve permas.

    [–]The_Beefcube 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    If Streamer reads this, I'll throw in my support for overturning Chauzu's permaban, along with the other down+a'rs if they were permabanned as well. I think there's a natural tendency in the chat to try and see how silly we can be, and if there's a chance to break the game, we've tended to take it.

    I have to imagine that the people selecting "New Game" weren't doing it with the intention of trying to ruin the run and erase everything, but more because of the "Hahah, let's see how silly we can be before Streamer fixes our mistake" aspect. I know in the past, we've reset the game multiple times only to have our progress restored with a backup, so if I was there I probably would have been trying to select "New Game" without even realizing what would happen.

    Of course, I wasn't there so this depends on whether or not one of the TPP staff made it clear while everything was going on that there were no backups. But even if it was clear what saving a new game meant, then unless any of the down+a'rs had a serious history of such behavior, I think it was done more out of misguided, impulsive silliness than malicious intent. In that case, I think a ban of a few days would definitely get the message across, while keeping the fanbase happy.

    [–]Duplex_be_greatI LOVE ALL YOU GUYS 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I have to imagine that the people selecting "New Game" weren't doing it with the intention of trying to ruin the run and erase everything, but more because of the "Hahah, let's see how silly we can be before Streamer fixes our mistake" aspect. I know in the past, we've reset the game multiple times only to have our progress restored with a backup, so if I was there I probably would have been trying to select "New Game" without even realizing what would happen.

    Definitely. There was (probably) no malicious intent behind 95% of those commands. Most people probably didn't fully understand that the deletion would be permanent.

    [–]Droar┬━┬ ﾉ(° _°ﾉ) 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Video of the incident for anyone interested - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ6tOQd6uRk

    Edit: Mon renamed to "Chauzu" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4O4I_57CaM

     

    See the description for timestamps.

    [–]sohippyFake Wattson#TPPLeague 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Just for the latecomers who didn't catch up with what was going on, here is the stream record video that would explain what happened

    (Declaimer: This video is not recorded nor uploaded by me)

    [–]zg44 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (16子コメント)

    I just want to say Chauzu, that while I know your opinions on Democracy/order are probably a bit different from mine, I really appreciated the work that you put into helping/leading on the stream during Anniversary Red, OmegaRuby, and Touhoumon/Moemon.

    You put in as much time/effort as anyone has in especially the past few games, but you were also a noticeable contributor as far back as Red/Crystal, so your dedication to the stream has been noteworthy over the past year and a half.

    In particular, I want to point out that your pushing of the usage of Double Team, even though those TMs created a bit of tension between us (to say the least), was instrumental in enabling us to win at the Anniversary Red Elite 4 given just how much it was required during all 3 Urns in Anniversary Red to get through the 30 level 94-100 'mons/36 level 100 'mons.

    The most impressive thing to me perhaps was how much effort you put into Anniversary Red despite really openly disliking the Democracy system in it. I probably would have either gone insane (or sleepless, which I nearly did anyways) if there weren't people like you that were around whenever I took a few hours off the stream during that run if I didn't know I could count on you guys to hold down the fort.

    P.S. What on Earth happened last night?... (is there video of this entire Moemon debacle somewhere?)

    [–]Chaos_lordYukari's ex ex ex? 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (14子コメント)

    In brief:

    People weren't sure if daycare was patched, got the idea to try it and see.

    Demo kicked in, Chauzu took "command".

    Moe was lead into daycare, crashed.

    Stream automatically reset (it was not known at the time this was automatic).

    Stream was on the main menu in democracy, everyone was laughing and stuff. People realised they had control still and downa won, taking us into a new game. Chauzu was one of these downa inputters.

    We, still in demo, went through the intro. Ideas for names flew around and it was overall chaos at this point.

    As the intro finished, Chauzu declared he was not leading and would let the chat decide whether to save (and delete the old file) or not. It is known streamer had no backups and so this was permanent.

    As soon as the intro was finished and before more than 2 inputs could go through streamer intervened, reset again, loaded the game to the old save manually and started asking questions and handing out permabans.

    [–]zg44 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Ah okay, thanks for the whole explanation.

    [–]RenaKunisaki[snark] 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    streamer had no backups

    http://i.imgur.com/a82XyXO.jpg

    I guess if the game had crashed and wiped out the save, he'd have banned everyone who wanted to go to day care?

    [–]Chaos_lordYukari's ex ex ex? 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Probably, as that would be mass stream disruption, though given the lack of information about it's status it would be hard to justify. I believe that such a mass ban would result in the chat and run simply dieing, even if the run improved when Moemon was removed thanks the the loss of the stupid double game mechanic, possibly even a collapse of TPP outside of PBR.

    [–]Murgie 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I believe that such a mass ban would result in the chat and run simply dieing

    And you think that would have stopped him?

    [–]Chaos_lordYukari's ex ex ex? 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    No.

    [–]bm001 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    It is known streamer had no backups and so this was permanent.

    I can't face palm hard enough.

    [–]Murgie 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Don't worry, it's not his fault, it's everyone else's fault.

    [–]Chaos_lordYukari's ex ex ex? 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I know right. It was the same in Anniversary Red, which is why we needed to fix the file we were on after battle tent glitchyness instead of just reloading backups.

    [–]KelcyusPokémon Professor and Baker 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Ok.... a few questions... exactly how far we got? Did we name him (I understand we chose Red), Did we choose a name for Green?

    [–]Cyanderᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    We started up the game and we were still in Democracy. The player was the male and named DEKU, and the rival was named REVO. We finished Oak's intro, got in about two inputs (playing with the NES) then the stream reset. We got back to the game and luckily we had not lost much progress. We'd beaten Silph Co, flown to Cerulean (seems the only reason we flew in democracy is to try out the daycare, there was no other reason to go there), walked a bit, and saved. The Masterball had still been used and that was supposedly one of the driving factors for resetting the game, that we would get it back.

    [–]calambrepatitasButterbae4Life 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Another lost host for the collection, I see

    [–]Chaos_lordYukari's ex ex ex? 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    We got as far as playing the nes in the bedroom. Player was named Deku and the rival Revo.

    [–]KelcyusPokémon Professor and Baker 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Controversy aside... that is the single greatest thing I have heard, because this isn't the first time we interrupt a gameplay to reset chose a new Red protagonist, name the Rival, and spent the whole time playing Snes.

    [–]mesamus◉ _ ◉ 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    video has arrived of the event, we now have a lost host named DEKU

    [–]ChauzuTPP Truthsayer <3 punWaifu[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Thanks man. It means a lot coming from you.

    [–]ChauzuTPP Truthsayer <3 punWaifu[S] 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Also, I see some claiming I was leading the charge of saving the game, which was false. I lead the charge of trying the daycare in Moemon (and I also saved in democracy before that).

    I did make a few joke comments during the chaos but this is tpp, I didnt think it was anything strange but ofc when looked at in retrospect they might look bad. Which is why l do not object to a time ban at all.

    Again, not my call. Just wanted to clear it up.

    [–]TheObserver99 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (9子コメント)

    Fair enough, but as a heads up: if you do nothing, Streamer's typical pattern is that you will remain banned.

    If you send streamer a message, he will probably unban you.

    If you send him a message and he does nothing, then that's a fair time to leave.

    [–]ChauzuTPP Truthsayer <3 punWaifu[S] 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (8子コメント)

    I will send streamer a message with my side of the story. I have invested enough time and energy in TPP that I feel it is worth a shot.

    I am feeling very sad now, TPP has been a big part of my life for over half a year now. It is a place I can always go to.

    [–]TheObserver99 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Yeah, that's fair - it's good to at least try. From what I've seen, Streamer's usually pretty understanding about these things, especially if it's the first time and not "ummm this was my fourth permaban pls undo lol."

    Anyway, I hope it works out for you - you're a good voice to have around the community, I'd hate to see you go!

    [–]Twitch-Plays-Pokemon 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    I haven't received your message yet, I'm going to sleep now as it has just past 11PM and I need to be up early tomorrow.

    [–]ChauzuTPP Truthsayer <3 punWaifu[S] 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    No I have not sent you a message yet, I was at uni when this unfolded.

    I will write you one when I get home.

    Also, sorry for all the comments you are getting for this, I did not expect this to blow up.

    Edit: Sent

    [–]Ragnishロリを出せ！ 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Don't worry, you'll get unbanned because people voiced their opinion against him.

    [–]TheObserver99 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Usually when Streamer does that, it's a reversal of many mass-bans, not of a single ban. And typically that's done within an hour or two of the bans being rolled out in the first place (time for heads to cool and riots to ensue, etc. etc.). So I doubt the result of this will be a full reversal. But hopefully some sober second thought does prevail, and the bans get rolled back to temporary timeouts (either 3-days, or to the end of the run... something like that).

    [–]Ragnishロリを出せ！ 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Depends on reverse psychology. It's tookis incident again.

    [–]Lolnoobss 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You should ban evade. BigBrother It's very good.

    [–]Nikaidou_Shinku 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    You are permanently banned from talking in twitchplayspokemon. Kappa same for me, time to quit tpp maybe Kappa

    [–]JToddMcSwagDown+Right Top Percent 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Happy cake day?

    [–]RemovedpixelCLOYSTER HAS OP DEFENSE 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (24子コメント)

    Streamer hates chat drama, but he's the biggest chat drama creator in the whole community

    [–]tustin2121Shorts are comfy and easy to wear! 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (22子コメント)

    To be fair, most of the time its the chat's own damn fault for doing something so insanely stupid like trying to start a new game... or deliberately killing the modbot...

    [–]lvl_killer_lvl 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Can you explain how the chat tried to kill the modbot?

    [–]tustin2121Shorts are comfy and easy to wear! 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I can explain how they did kill the modbot: they timed their timeout infractions such that it printed over 100 messages in the span of a minute, and thus made Twitch ban the bot from its own channel for 12 hours. Streamer wondered why he was IP banned from his own channel and then began handing out permabans like they were candy and it was Halloween. And then people came on here and wondered why the streamer was angry...

    [–]Bytemite 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    To be fair, the modbot thing was hilarious. It's too bad streamer's IP was the same as modbot's, though in retrospect that probably should have been an obvious hangup in the plan.

    [–]wfa19Guys we need to ____ 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (18子コメント)

    Because it's TwitchPlaysPokemon. This originated as a social experiment and this stuff should be expected from someone like twitch chat. Streamer has basically been on a powertrip for a few months and this better be a wake up call for him. Did you see the bans for spamming down when the E4 is defeated, to attempt to start a new game? No. Did you see bans for when Destiny tried to release all our pokemon? No. So why start now when the people involved are not le twitch trolls, but people who have watched your creation for over a year? It's your own damn fault for not patching it, and the only thing your gaining from permabans is a bad reputation and lost donations.

    [–]tustin2121Shorts are comfy and easy to wear! 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    The "social experiment" aspect is a load of bull and always has been. The streamer created TPP because he wanted to make a stream that ran itself, a la Salty Bet. He said so himself in his AMA. He also never expected it to explode the way it did. For the first several games, he couldn't have possibly attempted to ban individuals out of thousands for trolling, but he did try; since the time he was forced to have a modbot to moderate chat, he's been trying to make it detect and timeout bots.

    Since the numbers have calmed down, he's been more visible, either due to feeling less pressure from thousands of people, or because we can actually see his messages now in the chat. He's only really majorly intervened when something threatens the stream on a big level: botnets, starting a new game (over and over, or like in this case when there's established progress), etc. Nothing's really changed on that front. What has changed is the fact that we're a much smaller community now, and thus those who are banned, when he discovers actions that he deems bannable, are more visible and more known. Previously, they were there, but they were drowned in the churn of thousands, and have moved on. Now, they are felt, and our diminish in numbers hurts more.

    [–]wfa19Guys we need to ____ 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    1. Social experiment is bullshit.

    TPP is the literal definition of a social experiment. Give the controls of a game to thousands of people, and see what happens.

    1. He's only intervened when something threatened the stream on a big level.

    Why didn't he intervene by fucking implementing the patch Revo gave to him.

    Also Tustin, what is this beef you have against Revo? You lead the charge against him during the whole live updater fiasco, now your trying to say he's basically against streamer on everything.

    [–]tustin2121Shorts are comfy and easy to wear! 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I have no beef against revo, whatever you think I have. My talk about how he goes against streamer is based on things he says both in chat and on other irc channels on freenode. And that isn't a sleight against him, it's a point in his favor: he's trying basically to be the community liaison, even if that isn't his official staff position.

    [–]aysz88Rawr! =3 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    TPP is the literal definition of a social experiment. Give the controls of a game to thousands of people, and see what happens.

    While this is what people believed TPP to be (and why it went viral during original Red), this is never what Streamer intended it to be, especially after the Destiny incident (where he attempted to troll the stream by commanding his viewers to spam inputs). The only "experiment" part of it was a hope that people would cooperate to beat the game and have fun doing so, rather than it getting overwhelmed by trolls.

    I think the evidence shows Streamer is moving more towards making TPP a game in the traditional sense (i.e. with game design in mind), rather than letting everything through whether good or bad. (Most obviously, through reducing "chat leader" tactics)

    [–]czerwona_latarnia100% Douchebag 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Streamer is moving more towards making TPP a game in the traditional sense

    Soon: Chat is on sub-mode only. If you want to play game, pay 4,99$. Have a nice day /

    [–]TheObserver99 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (11子コメント)

    It's still his stream, and "trying to interfere with the operation of the stream" is clearly listed as a bannable offense. It hasn't always been! But after the 'modbot killing' incident, it became necessary to add that rule. Moderation in general has become increasingly necessary in the stream as the number of participants decreases, since it takes a lot less to entirely destabilize the community at this point.

    Permabans were excessive in this situation, IMO. But the bans themselves weren't wrong - they were just overcooked.

    I don't think a power trip has anything to do with it. Streamer has to moderate to prevent the few from ruining things for the many. But he's only human, and sometimes he gets things wrong - especially since he has to deal with this whole community more-or-less by himself, while carrying on a life and career of his own full-time.

    [–]wfa19Guys we need to ____ 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (10子コメント)

    Trying to interfere with the operation of the stream is one of the things that made TPP popular in the first place. And it's been done many times, even after the rule was added. Zero-tolerance has been proven to be a bullshit concept anywhere, and this is no exception

    [–]TheObserver99 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (9子コメント)

    You're referring to start9, I assume? That sort of thing is different than, 2/3 of the way through a run, using a glitch reset to try and save over the game file and permanently delete the run itself. And that was the perception of what was going on at the time. So yeah, I agree with the individuals involved receiving bans.

    You aren't wrong about the problems with zero-tolerance policies though. Which is why I think permabans were rather excessive.

    But at the end of the day, it's not actually our stream, and Streamer can enforce the rules the way he thinks they should be enforced. It was always going to get a tad messy once our numbers dropped to the point where actual moderation would be needed, so it's really just a question of how much of the community actually gets driven away by these decisions when they happen.

    [–]wfa19Guys we need to ____ 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (8子コメント)

    Nope, I'm referring to when Destiny and a few others tried to raid the stream and release everyone. Also, the people who went into the battle tent AFTER it was proven to be glitchy as hell.

    It is streamer's stream, but TPP was basically giving a bunch of people the controls to a game and seeing what happens. It's streamers fault for not patching the game.

    [–]TheObserver99 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Harking back to the Destiny era (when there were 50k people inputting on the stream and Streamer had no feasible way to tell who was doing what and so didn't even bother with moderation) is a little anachronistic at this point. The TPP of today is not even remotely that TPP, and never will be.

    Sure, it's streamer's fault for not patching the game, and for not clearly communicating exactly how the rules are meant to be enforced. But in this instance it's also the chat's fault for attempting to break things. The point of TPP (from Streamer's own mouth) is to have a stream that runs itself - not patching the ROM runs counter to that ideal. But it's also a community, and behaving self-destructively as a group runs counter to that ideal. As a result, I have no problem placing the onus for this incident fully in both camps.

    But tbh tustin has communicated a lot of this stuff better than I have, so I defer to what he's already written from here on out. Thus far he hasn't said anything I even remotely disagree with.

    [–]Duplex_be_greatI LOVE ALL YOU GUYS 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    You're a wizard, Observer. I couldn't agree more with what you're saying. You and Tustin both. You shouldn't be so quick to discredit your arguments. Reading through this thread hours after all the drama initially happened, I find you being as much of an enlightened voice as Tustin is.

    [–]TheObserver99 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It helps when you're not all that emotionally invested in what's going on. Though that's probably not a great thing overall... but I'm glad someone agrees with me! :)

    [–]20stalksRIP CMAAÄÄ 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    have a stream that runs itself - not patching the ROM runs counter to that ideal. But it's also a community, and behaving self-destructively as a group runs counter to that ideal.

    Exactly which is why I find the bans bullshit IMO. Yes, have a stream that runs itself but if a genuine oligarchy of players win the Democracy vote to reset the game, they should be respected for that. I consider that the new wishes of the stream since I find it absolutely the fault of the lazy "normal players" who didn't vote enough to prevent that down-a from winning. However, I find that in a different perspective, the reset wasn't necessarily "self-destructive." Maybe people really became bored with that run and wanted a reset. I don't know why streamer would care/be mad about it. How about we really want to play the game longer since its so fun and that's the best way to do it? See, that's why streamer should've patched the ROM if he really didn't want that to happen. I guess you are saying "patching the ROM runs counter to that ideal" because he wants that option to be available to us so the stream can truly run itself or something like that? But then it doesn't make sense since when we finally picked that option, he reversed what we did and some of us got punished for it...

    [–]TheObserver99 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    By "patching the ROM runs counter to that ideal," what I mean is "not patching a glitch that can stop a run dead in its tracks and reset the ROM is silly, if you actually want the stream to run itself." He should have patched the ROM, then this situation wouldn't have even presented itself.

    But he didn't, and it did (which is on him), and everything that happened after that is on us.

    [–]Duplex_be_greatI LOVE ALL YOU GUYS 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Wow, I'm actually agreeing with something /u/20stalks is saying.

    Yes, have a stream that runs itself but if a genuine oligarchy of players win the Democracy vote to reset the game, they should be respected for that. I consider that the new wishes of the stream since I find it absolutely the fault of the lazy "normal players" who didn't vote enough to prevent that down-a from winning.

    Exactly! This is no different from releases--- well, okay, it's a lot more damaging than any one release of a Pokemon. It's as if we released our entire team except a Splashkarp. But the point is that the game hasn't been "damaged". People simply exercised their right to input whatever they pleased into the game, and their inputs came out as something that ruined a hell of a lot of progress. I wouldn't have been happy if it was permanent, but even if it was, it probably wouldn't be my place to complain. The chat wants what the chat wants, and achieving it this way, when the game glitched of its own volition, is totally in line with the usual spirit of TPP. I'm glad that Streamer fixed it, but if he hadn't been able to, we should have just had to live with the consequences and accepted them.

    [–]TheObserver99 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That's because nobody in the community has the same power to affect the state of things on a broad level the way he does.

    [–]ShuShirakawaI'll teach you... Science. 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    http://i.imgur.com/SgqycOC.png

    [–]PioxysA Guardian Angel~ 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Good times. those were the days I actually rebelled against the PBR/Stadium2 current voting system.

    "Also he died an hero."

    [–]ShuShirakawaI'll teach you... Science. 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Plot Twist: I wasn't Sora

    [–]RenaKunisaki[snark] 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (9子コメント)

    Typical TPP.

    The first season was great because it was chaotic. You had trolls trying to interfere with the game, people constantly being accused of being bots, nobody really being sure if completing the game would even be possible. It was fun.

    Did people get banned before for trying to reset the game or select New Game? No. The first few times a reset happened, they just restored a backup save state, and then patched it (or filtered the inputs) to prevent resetting. Later runs also had the New Game option removed entirely. Of course when you have hundreds of thousands of people all contributing to something, a few are just gonna try to break it any way they can. You need to be prepared for that.

    Did people get banned for using /me to draw attention to themselves? No. A few of them were praised for their efforts to coordinate, and the others were basically just ignored. It's not like it's a huge deal after all, just some coloured text.

    When the games crashed or froze a few times, did people get banned? Did the chat get put into subscriber only mode? No. People rioted a bit and chatted for a while until streamer came and restored a previous save state, and the world continued turning.

    But ever since PBR at the end of season 1, streamer's become a jerk, banning anyone who dares try to have fun in a way he didn't plan for.

    Use /me at all? Banned.

    Accidentally type a single accented character in your message? Banned.

    Repeat the same input too many times? Banned.

    Like I've been saying since before AR started, the overly strict modbot has people afraid to even play the game.

    It should have been a wakeup call when people rioted and got the modbot banned, but nope. It should have been a wakeup call when the viewer count plummeted, but nope. It should have been a wakeup call when the chat rioted over Chauzu, but nope. It should have been a wakeup call when the modbot banned the streamer himself, but nope!

    TPP may still be running and may still have players, but it's been dead since streamer killed all the fun a while ago.

    The way he's been handling these bugs has been ridiculous too. During season 1 we had automatic save states every so often (I think at least once an hour?) and when something went wrong, he'd just restore an older state from before it broke, and try to patch the game/TPP script to prevent it happening again.

    What happened to that? When Old Man Golduck ate our team, where was the save state rollback? Instead he just took manual control of the game, hacked it to where he could go to the PC, and got the team back. Great, except it also wiped out all our money and caused who knows what other corruption. (But when a glitch gives us extra money, he's quick to correct that. ಠ_ಠ)

    When we hit New Game after clearing the elite 4 in a previous run, he just reset it and reloaded the original save file. This time he decided to ban everyone instead? WTF?

    It's like letting a bunch of kids go play in a park, then punishing them when they start playing with the tools you left there, instead of removing the tools first. What sense does that make? It would have been simple to remove the "new game" option, or have the script automatically reload a save if the dex/badge/party info suddenly resets to new-game/invalid state (which would also take care of most crashes), or apply the damn patch when he received it so that the game wouldn't crash in the first place, but instead he just lets it happen and then punishes people for his own laziness.

    You wouldn't run a server with no authentication on the admin control panel and then just try to punish anyone who enters it. Why is an online game any different? The only sane way to run something like TPP is to harden it against misuse and glitches. Automatically revert when something breaks, prevent reset/new game commands from being entered, keep old saves around to restore if needed, patch bugs as they're discovered, and just let people have fun, since that is the entire point of games. That's how it was during season 1, and that's how it should be now.

    Streamer, pull the stick out of your ass.

    [–]KillerMapperI like Chatot Dungeon. 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    No more fun allowed FUNgineer

    [–]Chaos_lordYukari's ex ex ex? 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    or have the script automatically reload a save if the dex/badge/party info suddenly resets to new-game/invalid state (which would also take care of most crashes),

    He does, it activating triggered the initial reset, it just didn't auto-load and didn't trigger after the new game for some reason. EDIT was wrong, got wrong idea from streamers post on the subject.

    [–]RenaKunisaki[snark] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Are you sure the game didn't just reset itself? That can happen sometimes when these games crash.

    [–]Chaos_lordYukari's ex ex ex? 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    The word reset was shown on screen as it happened, looked like an emulator command which would imply it was not done by the game.

    EDIT: turns out I was wrong after re-watching the vid, my memory is awful.

    [–]WhatAboutGaming(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    There were no words, just some weird graphical glitches.

    [–]Murgie 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    There is no telling where the stick ends and the Streamer begins, and we all know he's never going to change.

    What we should do is leave him. It's been nearly a year since he contributed a damn thing, but there's been no end to the problems caused by him and him alone.

    [–]Kamaria 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    We should start our own TPP, with blackjack and hookers!

    [–]NkekevSelect Pope / Guardian of Mareeps 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Modbot do bad but streamer do well.

    [–]Murgie 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Modbot do bad but streamer do well.

    I would love to hear some examples of what actual contributions he's made over the past year.

    He doesn't even host the fucking Stream anymore, and frankly, we're tired of his periodic power trips.

    [–]RemovedpixelCLOYSTER HAS OP DEFENSE 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Wahisietel_the_Cake got a personal ''F--- you'' from Streamer

    [–]sohippyFake Wattson#TPPLeague 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Where? What a shiny Trophy!!!

    Edit: K I saw that

    [–]FuudstampsAtta girl! :D 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Precision F-Strike!

    [–]LycaaWow Deku 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    For as much as we probably disagree on the topics of demo, anarchy, chaos, progress, whatever, a perma ban isn´t deserved. Especially as streamer apparently forgot to apply the patch (again).

    I hope you will return. o7

    [–]twitchspeaksKirlia x potato OTP 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (14子コメント)

    So sorry to hear this Chauzu, I really hope we still see you around the sub. I think these sorts of banning actions are by far the most disruptive and destructive things in TPP; the way I've seen it for the past year, TPP is really about its community, not so much the game. Yea the game is a central component of course, but I think much of the fun is just from everyone having a good time together. That said, banning a prominent player who has become a part of the community is, IMO, far more damaging than anything the chat could ever do to break the game, whether accidentally or intentionally.

    TL;DR it's not about the game, it's about the people playing it. IMO no good can come from these sorts of bans.

    <3

    [–]TheObserver99 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (10子コメント)

    I get where you're coming from, but I also think that foregoing banning a particular player because of "prominence" is walking a very fine line into some dangerous territory. One of the beautiful things about TPP is that everybody plays - no single player's inputs influence the game any more than another player's. Streamer can't just go and make some players "immune" to banning now, can he? Call it TPP's version of "rule of law" if you like - nobody's above it.

    Now, all that can be easily ignored by saying "Streamer shouldn't have banned anybody/should unban everybody who was banned because of this incident." That would be fair! But would it be right? The reason these people got banned in the first place was because they chose to start a new game when the glitch happened - they would have destroyed the whole run, breaking the "don't try to prevent stream operations" rule. That seems bannable to me!

    So the remaining question... permaban or timeout? And then we have a discussion, because really what did the damage here was the 'perma' aspect of the ban. That was absolutely excessive IMO... but ah well. Sadness. :(

    [–]RenaKunisaki[snark] 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I also think that foregoing banning a particular player because of "prominence" is walking a very fine line into some dangerous territory.

    Right, Chauzu shouldn't be immune from bans just because he's popular. But nobody should be getting banned for playing around with a glitch. If that glitch results in starting a new game and overwriting the old one, that's on streamer to prevent it from happening to begin with.

    What would he do if the game just suddenly crashed and wiped out the save file completely unexpectedly? Ban everyone who input before the crash? Not have any backups?

    [–]TheObserver99 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Playing around with the glitch isn't why people got banned. Dealing with it by starting a new game and then trying to save over our progress is what streamer was handing out bans for. Unless I've completely misinterpreted the situation.

    Not to say that permabans in those instances are the right course of action (I don't think they are). It was a little heavy-handed.

    [–]RenaKunisaki[snark] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I considered the game resetting, and people hitting New Game, part of the glitch and playing with it. They probably shouldn't have done that, but they shouldn't have been able to do it either.

    [–]TheObserver99 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Precisely, that sentence is literally my opinion on this whole thing. Distilled to its barebones essentials, but true enough regardless.

    [–]twitchspeaksKirlia x potato OTP 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I understand your argument as well, but if people are having a good time on the stream without permanently breaking anything or harming anyone, then what more can you ask for? Isn't the point to just have a good time? Like for example, honestly I used to think that stream outages were some of the best times, because for an hour or two the chat would just go bananas and weird unpredictable stuff would happen, but it was FUN, ya know? Yea there needs to be some order so progress in the game can be made, but occasional disruptions are a good thing IMO.

    So I def agree that rules are needed, but I personally don't think it's much of a problem if people occasionally dance around them a bit. And I agree that prominence shouldn't be considered when deciding whether to ban; my position is more that these bans were unnecessary in general.

    [–]TheObserver99 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I agree! But I think the perception here when this was happening was that the people who voted for "new game" were trying to save over our Moemon save file and literally kill the run... hence Streamer's reaction. Hopefully cooler heads prevail in the next day or so though.

    Chat drama sucks in general, tbh. I agreed with Tookis being banned back in the day, and I still hated that whole affair (and blame it for driving away Inabox and a few other regulars I used to love having around).

    [–]wfa19Guys we need to ____ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    The reason these people got banned in the first place was because they chose to start a new game when the glitch happened - they would have destroyed the whole run, breaking the "don't try to prevent stream operations" rule. That seems bannable to me!

    Bullshit. The reason these people got banned was because streamer, who knew about this exploit and even had a patch fix sent to him, decided to not apply the fix and not have any of this happen. You don't have to be Captain Hindsight to foresee this.

    [–]TheObserver99 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    They weren't banned because of the glitch, they were banned because they voted to select "new game," which seemed like an apparent attempt to overwrite our save file.

    But yes, the glitch could have been avoided. Streamer has said himself elsewhere in this post that he didn't think that patch would be needed until later in the game. So that's a misstep on his part, for sure. But that doesn't make this 100% his fault, either.

    [–]wfa19Guys we need to ____ 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    But that doesn't make this 100% his fault, either.

    Yes it does, he had the patch ready to implement for days and if he had any knowledge at all, he should have known that TPP would try to do this.

    [–]RenaKunisaki[snark] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    He also should have had backup saves, automatic reload, and new game disabled. You don't give a bunch of kids access to something dangerous and then punish them for touching it, you block off their access in the first place.

    [–]NyberimBurrito and Martyr <3 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Yea.....what I've grown around and enjoyed most about TPP is the small knit community that we have here. While we may not always get along all the time over everything, we still make the best we can do with it. :)

    These types of situations...if anything throw a big wrench into that ideology. They take away from what makes TPP a great place to be, and hurst the whole community of TPP as a whole. Perma-bans shouldn't be an instant go to bans......they should only be reserved only for very bad cases.

    [–]Farukon555'Til this war is won~ 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Wait what? What happened? One more modbot murder?

    [–]czerwona_latarnia100% Douchebag 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Not - this time Streamer himself for resetting game and trying to overwrite safe file

    Big probability that everyone who inputted during "New Game" might say goodbye to TPP for some days

    [–]PastelDeUvaGrowl~ 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    What...? How...? Why...?

    [–]LundahaTwitch Plays Pokemon Mystery Dungeon 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I DON'T WANT TO SAY GOODBYE

    [–]Spike11399 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This turned into quite the discussion, perhaps Streamer will become more lax and reimplement the prevention needed to avoid another fiasco like this. Permabans should be used as a last resort or for a major offense that causes major problems imo.

    [–]amber_apostleSorry I'm so slow to do asks T_T 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You were a good chat leader Chauzu. You only lead us astray a handful of times in your short term of office. Well maybe a little more than that. Come to think of it, you were actually pretty terrible at it. But that's not the point. The point is, we're all heartbroken to see you gone.

    F 7

    Only joking, you were a great chat leader--we'll all be lost without you =(

    [–]Chaos_lordYukari's ex ex ex? 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I will note that Revo seemed to think it had been patched, likely at the cycling road switch off, so the crash itself has plausible deniability because by all accounts we should trust revo as he's staff.

    [–]czerwona_latarnia100% Douchebag 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Messages from RevoLiveUpdater (bot which saves messages of Streamer and Revo):

    [Streamer] Projectrevotpp: Streamer's as slow as my old Win98 computer /u/TPPStreamerBot

    [Streamer] Projectrevotpp: Thats been fixed for DAYS, jesus christ, I might have to get deku to apply the update. /u/TPPStreamerBot

    [–]Chaos_lordYukari's ex ex ex? 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That's my memory kicking in again. Or the messages happened while I was asleep, and me and Chauzu have very similar sleep times...

    [–]Lolnoobss 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (8子コメント)

    JUDGMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENT HAS BEEN DEALT BabyRage

    WELCOME TO THE GATES OF DEATH WHERE NOTHING EXISTS

    It's an honor to see you in my club

    by Terrierc // I was watching everything. lmfao gg

    Edit: Downvote this as much anyone wants like i care lol.

    [–]czerwona_latarnia100% Douchebag 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Terrierc, why people would like to downvote you?

    Especially when they can join you in banishment

    [–]Lolnoobss 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Hi unknown person

    [–]lavaseekerTo like or to like 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    this is alt number? 69? BigBrother

    [–]NkekevSelect Pope / Guardian of Mareeps 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    [–]RemovedpixelCLOYSTER HAS OP DEFENSE 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Well, you do care about karma, I still remember the time you downvoted my whole account

    [–]arctic_kitten471 Glace it 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Oh, Terrigongercier98. Never change. <3

    [–]Speedy_Fox_IV 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    ... I spend a couple of hours watching Robot Chicken and all hell breaks loose. Never change TPP.

    [–]ChauzuTPP Truthsayer <3 punWaifu[S] 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (8子コメント)

    Thanks for all the love showed in chat, it makes me feel happy.

    I don't think a perma ban was deserved but what can you do? Not my stream.

    If l ever get unbanned l will return but until then, have fun and good luck.

    Remember to grind ny waifus Satori and Dugtrio BabyRage

    [–]ArmleuchterchenTwitch name: SnowWarning 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Dugtrio

    Chauzu...

    [–]Lolnoobss 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Dugtrio is actually very good if you level up her to lv51 when she learns the ultimate STAB EQ.

    And if possible, on 64 Fissure

    [–]ArmleuchterchenTwitch name: SnowWarning 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    >Moémon

    >Caring about anything more than looks

    Lolnoobss....

    [–]Lolnoobss 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    I think the only bitch i would care for design is Sandslash... but its impossible to get her anyway hehe

    [–]ArmleuchterchenTwitch name: SnowWarning 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Sandslash <3 Moémon LeafGreen pls

    [–]Lolnoobss 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Leafgreen has also Starmie and Venusaur best version

    [–]ArmleuchterchenTwitch name: SnowWarning 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    !starmiesong

    NightBat Pioxys x Starmie is canon OTP ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ I know you want that picture┌༼ຈل͜ຈ༽┐ of Starmie kissing me ┌༼@ل͜@༽┐If you been waiting in line ༼ ºل͟º༽ you won't be waiting long ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ The pic is up on Tumblr now so sing the Starmie song! ᕦ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ᕤ

    [–]rjriPARTY LIKE IT'S 10 PM 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I just got banned too. RIP me.

    [–]The_SkopeI'd totally *** Dawn 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Brother, I wish you the best of luck in your future. It's a shame it had to end this way, I still want my revenge for stealing my money. Unless you return, I say goodbye to you one last time. /

    (EDIT): if Chauzu is trolling then this long hearted message will be for nothing

    [–]LyraCharles77We're sorry, Tina 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Holy shit Chauzu noooo... Streamer has to see reason

    [–]me10ettaMeloetta and Eeveelution is love 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    After my revival from perma-ban and I saw this.

    [–]Duplex_be_greatI LOVE ALL YOU GUYS 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    After reading through all the comments in this thread, here are my opinions:

    • I find myself agreeing with /u/TheObserver99 and /u/Tustin2121 a lot.

    • You shouldn't have tried to do that. Overwriting the game's save file is just wrong, it ruins the game for everyone else.

    • But no way in hell is this your fault. I may not agree with the ethics of trying to overwrite the save file, but it was your right to try to "troll" and do that. It was a legitimate contribution to TPP just like trying to release a Pokemon or hop a ledge is. Sure, I may not like it, but it's your right to do it.

    • It's also not your fault because Streamer should have applied the patch to fix this issue. He had the patch from Revo and simply didn't apply it for some reason.

    • Also, this is totally different from killing the modbot. The modbot's banning on Twitch created real and lasting issues in the "real world" (at least as much as the Internet can be called the real world) that damaged Streamer's ability to use Twitch. That was wrong. But this... this is nothing like that. Sure, I would have been pissed if our save was deleted. It was not something you ever should have tried to do. But it's still just part of the game. It doesn't "interfere" with the ability of the game to run. It just sets us back in progress a lot. It's like releasing a Pokemon. Or--- maybe more like releasing all our Pokemon. It sets us back a hell of a lot. But it's still only within the game. You didn't harm anything on the level of the modbot banning incident.

    • Finally, you had no way of knowing that there were no backups created of the save state. That was stupid on Streamer's part.

    [–]JelmdddddddddddddFor Tina 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    What happened?! Why is chauzu banned?!

    [–]Alexc99xd 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    How did you get banned?

    [–]TheObserver99 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Scroll down and read streamer's comments in this thread; they will answer your questions.

    [–]wildgoosespeederPC DEMANDS BLOOD 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The worst thing you could do is accept it. Revo or whoever was under the impression that democracy mode would most likely sort out continuing the game after the reset because the reset happened in democracy mode. Democracy mode prevents chaos and people don't want to see there beloved characters be killed. I bet he didn't realize that this run was plagued with failed democracy attempts. Just look what almost happened to the Master Ball in Touhoumon and how it took several attempts to get Moemon out of Cycling Road to Fuchsia City. He should have been better monitoring the stream. Also we are talking about the struggle between which game to control because this run isn't like other streams where we played one game at a time. We are doing double duty here at all times.

    [–]20stalksRIP CMAAÄÄ 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Even though in my personal experience you come off as a pretentious prick, I absolutely respect and admire your efforts in continuing to be a chat leader for the bits when z33k33 was absent in Anniversary Red and basically for the whole Touhoumon & Moemon run when z33k33 completely retired at that time. I'm sorry if I ever came off abrasive to you but that's mainly because I was curious to see TPP again without chat leaders and I was really expecting to see that once z33k33 stepped down. However, I never got to really see that since you basically took his place.

    Anyways concerning about this ban, I consider this bullshit. Putting beside the fact that I really wouldn't mind to see this run reset since it would have redeemed this run in my eyes due to all the ResidentSleeper Democracy, trolls shouldn't get banned. Like I know some people in this thread explained that trolls should have technically gotten banned even in our original Red run but they didn't since it was so many people to manage and now it's less so banning is more feasible, it's honestly what kept TPP special. Like even in Democracy, while IMO people are over-glorifying the bits of chaos that happened, I am not going to take that away from people that honestly enjoyed it a little. That wouldn't have been possible without trolls. And what the hell is a truly a troll anyways? Isn't it really just someone who doesn't agree with the majority? But what happens when the majority are the "trolls"? Doesn't that technically make the "normal players" who didn't want that reset the new "trolls"? However it might not have been a majority who won the vote but an oligarchy so never mind.

    I swear if the vote of down-a did not win, you guys wouldn't have been banned which bothers me. Like "trolls" always had ill intent but they wouldn't get banned for trying. However if their attempt actually becomes successful, that's when they finally get banned? I could understand the Streamer not letting the reset run its full course but he shouldn't have banned you guys. I honestly see it as more of the fault of all the other players who were present. If they so wanted the run to not reset, they should have voted against the down-a and not allow that option to win. The fact that option won might actually reflect the new oligarchy of the stream and they should be awarded for putting in the effort to play the game the way they wanted to instead of catering to the lazy "normal players."

    [–]Sandoz1Bunghy 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Welp, rip Chauzu ;_;7

    Just wanted to say you were a great chat leader and part of the TPP community overall. I wasn't there when you got banned but from what I can gather this whole situation is just silly. I don't think you deserve this for everything you've done for TPP tbh, but that's what I think. Hopefully Streamer-senpai will come around, because the chat won't be the same without your help and frequent outbursts (Kappa).

    [–]sohippyFake Wattson#TPPLeague 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    RIP... this shouldn't be a perma ban imo.

    [–]ZetsuTheFirst 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    You didn't deserve a permaban.

    [–]Lolnoobss 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Streamer-Senpai don't agree with this statement.

    [–]WahisietelI already copy and paste everything I see in chat as training. 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (37子コメント)

    Streamer was an asshole.

    For one thing, a patch to fix the daycare was completed days ago, but streamer never bothered to apply it.

    Secondly, streamer was responsible for resetting the game after it broke at the daycare in the first place. Therefore, he must have been watching the stream throughout the incident.

    He did absolutely nothing except watch while we started a new game, and only intervened after we named our characters. And then he banned people for something that was his fault in the first place.

    This is in no way Chauzu's fault, or anyone's except streamers.

    EDIT: Disregard this post, apparently the game reset by itself, so most of this post is incorrect. Also, I was probably too harsh, but I was upset. Also I'm permabanned now apparently.

    [–]TheObserver99 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (11子コメント)

    his fault in the first place

    Streamer historically has had an "only intervene once it's blatantly obvious that his intervention will be necessary" policy. Waiting until it was clear that a group of players were actively trying to delete the run in order to intervene doesn't make this "his fault." It's those players' faults for attempting to sabotage the stream in the first place. Waiting as long as he did just made it easier for Streamer to identify them.

    As for the patch to fix the glitch - it seems hasty to assume he "never bothered" to apply it. We have no idea what his daily schedule is like. It's not unreasonable to think he simply never found the time to take the stream offline and patch the game (I remember in AR, Revo would yell at us to save for 2 or 3 days before we'd finally get around to doing it and he'd apply his patch).

    So, yeah, don't be so quick to condemn. It does sound like banning Chauzu was a mistake though, so I hope that gets lifted.

    EDIT: Streamer's reply (above) explains what actually happened more clearly. Read that instead.

    [–]GlitcherRednot a tester, only a glitcher 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    FYI: streamer didn't apply the patches on both VC and moemon because of the tons of patches sent to him in AR making him think that some more glitches might be discovered that require a further patch and he should apply all the patches at once.

    [–]Twitch-Plays-Pokemon 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    VC is patched and I didn't think the others would need to be patched until later.

    [–]GlitcherRednot a tester, only a glitcher 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Oh, I mean the second patch which was sent to you around the time we reached National Park. I don't think that was applied?

    [–]Twitch-Plays-Pokemon 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    IIRC I only applied the second one. I didn't manage to patch the first one in time due to being in a battle. I wanted to save the game in-game because I don't trust save states when swapping roms.

    [–]GlitcherRednot a tester, only a glitcher 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    If only one patch was applied, it was in Ilex Forest iirc since all the move names changed and the PCC was accessible (indicating the first stable patch Revo sent to you was applied). Much later he sent another stable patch with a few more fixed text scripts (one in National Park so potentially dangerous) and that wasn't applied?

    [–]czerwona_latarnia100% Douchebag 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    "only intervene once it's blatantly obvious that his intervention will be necessary"

    Only way we could reset game is getting back to Daycare and repeat what happened. Can you please tell me how much time it took us to get beat Misty in this game (which "unlock" getting to Daycare) in Anarchy? I can't possible imagine we would be possible to not save the game all this time or to stay all the way in Democracy so we won't accidentally save it (remember - democracy=evil for many TPP players). Saving game now was bad idea but only thing that could save us was Streamer reseting game. And when it haven't happened when we named our rival (with problems) after many minutes of play, well, people wanted to start new game - either to (just assuming) literally piss off streamer but mostly to try something new or catch new baes

    PS. Don't think about this as attacking you (which may sounds like) but I've got little PJSalty right now because that "affair"

    PPS. edits because I can't type in English

    [–]TheObserver99 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Upon further inspection, it seems like the delay was due to him checking his chat logs to see who'd voted for the "new game" option instead of the "continue" option. That's the best hypothesis I can come up with right now, since those are the people he turned around and banned.

    EDIT: Streamer has explained the actual reasons for the delay (above).

    [–]czerwona_latarnia100% Douchebag 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Well, he could still try to first reset it and then check.

    BTW I got banned for something else (probably for calling him pathetic or using *** word in message directed to him) not long enought after game reset (I must check video) and after this it got some time before he started banning people so it would make double "delay"

    [–]TheObserver99 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Streamer has answered these questions now. In this same thread, actually!

    [–]czerwona_latarnia100% Douchebag 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That what happen when you use language you don't speak and write message for 5-10 minutes . You miss everything (talking about myself)

    [–]WahisietelI already copy and paste everything I see in chat as training. 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    He put TPP on the title screen in democracy... He's been running the stream for over a year, he should have known by now what would happen. Remember the Battle Tent?

    He still took like 10 minutes to intervene even after we selected new game.

    [–]Twitch-Plays-Pokemon 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (24子コメント)

    My internet is so unreliable that even at low quality the video is frozen most of the time, all I usually get is the chat on a monitor off to the side in the corner of my vision.

    It takes 10~30 seconds to remotely connect to the server and then it's 1~5 seconds waiting for the response of each click.

    Secondly, streamer was responsible for resetting the game after it broke at the daycare in the first place. Therefore, he must have been watching the stream throughout the incident.

    No, I wasn't. It reset on its own. Did you see "reset" on-screen?

    I only managed to just connect in time, mostly thanks to it being very late where I am and so the internet isn't very congested this time.

    And you're calling me an asshole for that? Fuck you.

    [–]bexxxxxxxAlways Bet Delibird! 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    whoa whoa whoa, streamer contributes to reddit discussions now?!

    [–]NkekevSelect Pope / Guardian of Mareeps 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    BigBrother

    [–]KillerMapperI like Chatot Dungeon. 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    don't look at your waifu like that

    [–]ProjectRevolutionTPPtpp staff kind of sort of 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    If it's any consolation I don't feel as though some people here understand the situation from both sides of the fence. It can be frustrating as a viewer to only see the stream and nothing more. No knowledge if a fix or change applies behind the scenes. Some people try to vent their frustration at the only person they can in that case without any knowledge of how things work. In that regard of course the "asshole" statement is completely unwarranted.

    [–]aysz88Rawr! =3 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (8子コメント)

    I would recommend making a top-level post in this thread to clarify how it looked from your perspective (because I believe it is totally understandable and deserves consideration).

    [–]WahisietelI already copy and paste everything I see in chat as training. 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Well I apologize for assuming wrongly, but to be fair there was no reason to think that the game reset on its own, since it has never done so previously.

    Regardless, the assumption that you were present was shared by those present for the reset, which is probably part of why they decided to start a new game in the first place.

    Anyway, sorry for being rude, I get that running TPP for so long continuously is difficult and that you are by no means perfect, maybe you should take a break from the stream after this run?

    [–]Twitch-Plays-Pokemon 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's not the first time someone has accused me of timing something exactly out of malice.

    At the time I wasn't aware that anyone thought the reset wasn't done automatically.

    [–]neutralb 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    inb4 massive trainwreck

    [–]Murgie 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Who do you think you just replied to?

    [–]neutralb 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I meant this as in chat always arguing about this and stuff. things went a lot better than expected I guess.

    [–]MrMaxAwesomeI'm a looser lmao 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    http://i.ytimg.com/vi/kKJdY1Q820U/maxresdefault.jpg

    [–]GoldtexTwitch 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Do I have permission to end myself now

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      [–]ArmleuchterchenTwitch name: SnowWarning 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      CHAUZU FOR OUR LRE! Rest in punWaifu and rock on, you glorious bastard.

      [–]KillerMapperI like Chatot Dungeon. 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      This ban is a big joke. Thanks streamer for making me laugh.

      [–]WahisietelI already copy and paste everything I see in chat as training. 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      It must be streamer's time of the month again.

      [–]czerwona_latarnia100% Douchebag 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      /u/Nkekev I summon you here

      Please say goodbye to your long rival in Stadium and PBR and be nice (you probably won't be )

      [–]Lolnoobss 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The only thing Nkekev will miss is his dewgongers but even then, he is not very active lately anywy.

      [–]NkekevSelect Pope / Guardian of Mareeps 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      My rival is the second cheater called Addarash1, not punwaifu.

      [–]TKillerNacho 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      RIP in pieces.

      [–]PioxysA Guardian Angel~ 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      punWaifu !!!

      I don't know what happened but it really sounds chaotic to the extreme to have you dropout. We made a pretty decent tag team in terms of Anarchy & Democracy chat leading to make the run what it was today. Just like myself, you wasn't afraid to say how you feel about TPP ups and downs and had great reasons for them. I always seen you around in betting since Stadium 2, but I got to know you best in Anniversary Red.

      best way to wrap this up:

      It was an honor to be working side by side with one of the TPP betting greats. 7

      Hopefully the ban will be lifted eventually and we'll see you make an appearance.

      It's really going to feel weird without you there.

      [–]ChauzuTPP Truthsayer <3 punWaifu[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Forgot to answer this post earlier. Kappa

      Good luck with the run Pioxys, you will have to step up now. I know you have it in you. ;)

      [–]wfa19Guys we need to ____ 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      CHAUZU IS RIP gunThump

      But seriously streamer, the hell? Chauzu is one of the biggest figures of the community and I do not say anything good about a permaban without warning. You'd think he doxxed your address or something.

      [–]TheObserver99 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Read the rest of the posts in this thread. Chauzu was just one of many who got permabanned for this.

      Really, the best question to ask isn't "why Chauzu," but instead "was permabanning the right course of action for this situation?" There's an actual discussion to be had there IMO.

      [–]ChauzuTPP Truthsayer <3 punWaifu[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Yeah I agree with this. This has blown up to be about me but I feel bad about all ppl that got banned. At the same time, they might have gone forgotten otherwise... It's just a tough situation.

      [–]Randy295"My sword shall pierce the skies!" - Zach(Gijinka Kakuna) 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

      Damn

      Well see ya

      I shall also wish you good luck in..wherever you go

      [–]tustin2121Shorts are comfy and easy to wear! 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

      a) Modbot can't permaban.

      b) Streamer banned him.

      [–]TheObserver99 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      What are your thoughts on this whole situation, tustin?

      [–]tustin2121Shorts are comfy and easy to wear! 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I hesitate to have "thoughts" on situations like this.

      It is the streamer's stream, thus it is his right to ban people he feels need one. But the streamer also is pretty negligent in addressing things that cause these incidents to happen before they become such a problem that chat feels the need to lash out to be noticed. But it is also understandable that the streamer doesn't really want to have to babysit a stream that's supposed to run itself. But it is also the case that without the streamer's efforts, previously or now, we wouldn't have anything to be a community around or have lore about.

      It's a catch-22 as to which side to be on, so I simply try and avoid the discussion except for random commenting on obvious points. All I really relegate myself to doing is standing to the side, slow clapping, saying "congrats on more streamer drama, because we like to bite the hand that feeds us...".

      [–]TheObserver99 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Aha that sums it up pretty well, I think. I've been trying to be an opposing voice to some of the (unjustified) streamer-hate in this thread, but I can't deny that, as usual, the source of the most chat drama this run is the one who least desires to be involved with it....

      [–]Randy295"My sword shall pierce the skies!" - Zach(Gijinka Kakuna) 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Ah yes I know,I found out that the streamer banned him via scrolling down the discussion so I edited my comment a bit

      [–]DaniMG12 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      NOOO CHAUZUUU

      I really hope you get unbanned, you are one of the main reasons im on tpp, i enjoyed so much playing with you on stadium some month ago and i admire you since then. You are a good friend, i wish you all the best of luck, even if you cant be on tpp please dont disappear from twitch, i will be in your future streams or in our group chats.

      [–]ChauzuTPP Truthsayer <3 punWaifu[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Whatever happens I'll be around on twitch. ;)

      [–]M4LyfeBaba Flair PogChamp 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Personally as far as I'm considered 1 less chat leader is a good thing, but whatever you did you probably didn't deserve to be banned. I do wonder though if this thread blew up so much because "OH NO CHAT LEADER" or becuase the streamer is involved.

      [–]TheObserver99 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Reading through (and having been a part of) the comments in this thread, it seems it was more over the issue of whether or not permabans for voting for the "wrong" inputs is a justified course of action, than anything else.

      [–]sohippyFake Wattson#TPPLeague 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Well you can say so, but actually there's like >10 people banned together so some people are going to defend them as a whole.

      [–]boombafunkI said good day, sir! 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I'm positive the streamer will unban you. You taught me a lot of interesting things that helped reignited my interest in the series, so I'd hate to see you go away.

      [–]NyberimBurrito and Martyr <3 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I'm sorry to hear that. While I didn't talk to you much on stream, you had a lasting impact, both here and in the chat. Your plans and your bets will always be remembered. :(

      Question for anyone: What even happened anyway to cause all this? I was asleep.

      [–]GraysilenceWah 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      No Chauzu

      [–]TokoWHPC is safe this gen! BloodTrail 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Anyone else think this incident may be the death of TPP? While the view count has never reached the same lengths of Red, it at least maintained a 1000-500 average during the urns. After this happened, the view count has dropped to 200-300 range. I'm seeing people threatening to swear off TPP after this crap happened, and I'm not particularly happy with this myself, on top of this urn boiling down to "Kanto BUT WITH ANIMU BABUZU" gimmicky bullshit.

      Hate to see you go, Chauzu. I really don't feel you're the cause of this. Even if you didn't input, trolls and people who were panicking likely would have forced a reset anyways, and I remember the streamer himself saying something along the lines of "Daycare is safe this patch! BloodTrail", so IMO in my mind he isn't entirely innocent in this either.

      I won't call him names or insult him, but IMO, his choices in the urns we're playing after the official games, how we're going about playing it, and the amount of glitches even stream stuff like Democracy has had this urn have made me question where he's taking TPP. I'm half tempted to delete TPP from my list until PBR starts back up, and this has only reinforced that possibility, and possibly just deleting TPP from my list for good.

      I'm not the only one in this, as I have saw plenty of people on the stream threatening to swear off TPP for good, and the viewer count has already taken a massive nose dive like I said. This urn has been nothing but a slow, repetitive headache from the get go that doesn't have the same soul and hilarity other urns have had. If this is what the other urns are going to be like too from now on... Then I see no point sticking around, even for PBR. FailFish

      [–]tustin2121Shorts are comfy and easy to wear! 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      People have been predicting the death of TPP over many of these. We're at fewer number this run for many reasons unrelated to this incident (you seem to want to list a few yourself). I don't think it's going to outright die because of this.

      [–]sohippyFake Wattson#TPPLeague 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Though it does matter to make some hardcore stream participator (which becomes less and less in later urns) leaving again...

      [–]TheObserver99 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Your view count estimates aren't entirely accurate. Every time I've been on the stream this run, with the exception of the first 3 days, the view count has been 300-600.

      These incidents do affect the view count every time they happen though, for sure. But I doubt that this one - far smaller than the previous two - will be the "death of TPP." It'll just have a slowing effect on the rest of this particular run.

      [–]wfa19Guys we need to ____ 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I love TPP, but the more people streamer permabans for stupid reasons, the less people will watch. Streamer has to look at himself, face up to what he's done, or else this will be the death of TPP. I have to admit, this run has not been great so far, and half the posts on the subreddit look straight out of a furry forum.

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