this is an interesting debate that represents a fundamental divide among red-pillers. personally, i find it amazing that people are unable to distinguish between the amorality of sexual strategy and the morality of human actions. sexual strategy is instinctual--and thus amoral--but obviously man has the capacity to curb his instinctual side. the idea that abiding by personal moral standards in your interactions with women is a "beta" characteristic is utterly laughable to me. any true man, any man equipped with a fully-functioning set of human faculties--which includes characteristics such as empathy and compassion--adheres to a personal moral code. this code of course differs from man to man, and i'm not saying there is one right or wrong moral code, but all fully-developed men, in my opinion, will agree that having a sense of morality is necessary for both individuals and societies to function. and this morality encompasses your interactions with women as well.

i know alpha males who are men of character, and i know "alpha males" who are sociopaths. the sociopath--who lacks the full set of human faculties--is lauded around here purely because of his success with women. many former blue-pillers take the red-pill and then become obsessed with developing dark-triad traits even if those traits go against their previously-held moral beliefs. sacrificing your personal beliefs for any reason, including pussy, is the ultimate beta-follower move. think back to your grade-school days as an example...weren't the ultimate betas those who would do anything to win the favor of the alpha, including being an asshole even if they weren't truly assholes? men with character study dark triad traits--and even employ them when necessary (or when they simply can't resist the temptation to do so!)--but they would never let those characteristic become the fundamental foundation of how they live their lives. men of character (man, saying "men of character" sounds really lame, i know, i know, but just bare with me) are conscious of both morality and immorality, and are willing to own up to it when they act immorally, including in their dealings with women. i myself will admit i have seduced women who were in committed relationships. looking back, i can see clearly that my actions were self-serving, destructive, and immoral. no male-hamstering necessary. i was wrong because of the hurt i caused to the other parties involved. in a weird way, red-pill actually helps me see the shortcoming of my actions (going into detail about how that works is a post unto itself, so i won't get into it now).

anyway, people on either side of this issue should be allowed to freely express their opinions on the matter in this forum. it's an important topic that everyone should take the time to reflect on.