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[–]infinite-monkey 54 ポイント55 ポイント  (17子コメント)

I generally do not connect to web sites from my own machine, aside from a few sites I have some special relationship with. I fetch web pages from other sites by sending mail to a program (see git://git.gnu.org/womb/hacks.git) that fetches them, much like wget, and then mails them back to me. Then I look at them using a web browser, unless it is easy to see the text in the HTML page directly. I usually try lynx first, then a graphical browser if the page needs it (but I make sure I have no net connection, so that it won't fetch anything else).

That is pretty intense.

[–]youarenotafish 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You can already be tracked pretty well by how the browser identifies itself. By using such an obscure system, ironically he is probably making himself easier to track.

[–]omgdonerkebab 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Really slow search for porn.

[–]matheusmcardoso 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

But is the porn free as in freedom and was the content rendered and can it be reproduced with free as in freedom software?

[–]mafagafogigante -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And can you at the end free your sperm as in...

[–]Shadows_In_Rain 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

aside from a few sites I have some special relationship with

[–]SwabTheDeck 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (8子コメント)

I've always thought that RMS was pretty "out there", but there are so many WTF moments in this post that, if anything, I'm underrating his lunacy. It's like he sees all the advances we've made on the web and thinks to himself, "how can I consume this information, but in a way that most closely mimics computing in the early 80s?"

[–]eggybeer 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

True, but I'm still glad that he's there pushing his point of view.

He might be a bit nuts but he's expressing his own honest ethical position and he's not chasing the money. If nothing else it gives people something to think about.

[–]Merad 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

He's way beyond "out there." Last summer I remember listening to an interview he did with some guys on a programming related podcast (don't remember which one, sorry). After some back and forth on the topic of free software one of the hosts basically said, "I agree with with most of what you're saying in principle, but I think it's more important that I make money so my family doesn't starve." RMS responds: "well I totally disagree." The man has done a lot for the world, but he's basically a religious zealot (just about software), who sealed himself in a bubble sometime in the early 90s and is totally cut off from the last 20 years of advancements.

[–]sirjayjayec 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

That was a podcast with Brian lunduke of Linux sucks fame, and you are quoting without context, RMS stated that it would be better for Brian to not develop software as his job if he couldn't monetise whilst also releasing the software under GPL, not that his family starving would be preferable to him releasing non free software.

[–]Merad 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The end result was that he feels that all developers and businesses of proprietary software should fail.  And that it is more important for there to not be proprietary software… than it is to be able to feed your children.

I’m not kidding.  I’m not exaggerating.  I’m not putting words in his mouth.  I even asked him, point blank, to verify his stance.

He did not say that having Free Software is more important than kids having food to eat.  I repeat: He said that it was more important that non-free software be gone… than for you to be able to feed your kids.  That’s how evil he thinks non-free software is.  Evil enough to justify causing significant harm to your family to do away with a small amount of it.

[...], and all software developers working on proprietary software are unethical and should quit their jobs and “go work in factories”. 

http://lunduke.com/2012/03/11/stuff-richard-stallman-said-on-the-linux-action-show/

[–]sirjayjayec -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Brian miss interpreted the point that RMS was trying to get across.

[–]SwabTheDeck 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

While I understand the nuance of what you're saying, if the entire global software industry adopted RMS's ideal of making all software free software, I'm pretty confident that software engineer salaries would plummet, and the net result would be the same: the guy would have a tough time feeding his family. Like most things, software typically derives its value from its scarcity, and if you take that away, in most cases, you take away a lot of the value.

[–]sirjayjayec 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why would it change anything? People can pirate stuff without bring punished, all putting it under GPL would do is make it legal look at synergy for evidence of this, there software is all up on github under the GPL yet they have made loads of money selling there software which anyone could and compile it them selves.

[–]duuuh 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is completely accurate. His pov on GCC was a huge reason for the CLang push, as he just can't seem to grok why people would like to use a modern IDE rather than emacs. His zealotry is going to kill his spawn.

https://lwn.net/Articles/629259/

[–]Jigsus 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ain't nobody got time for that. Stallman lives in his own personal bubble totally disconnected from the rigors of the real world.

[–]mafagafogigante 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe, I said maybe, a good typist with a good rig can fetch web content this way faster than most common people.

[–]codebje 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It presumably cuts way down on procrastinating via browser, though: I couldn't imagine getting drawn into link-death in tvtropes if I was doing it via mail, for instance.

Or reddit. Reddit would not survive.

[–]RainbowNowOpen 75 ポイント76 ポイント  (16子コメント)

TL;DR: Slowly and deliberately.

RMS has chosen a life in the spotlight of principled computing so all his tools and activities must be evaluated ethically and philosophically. I respect this. But it sounds exhausting and limiting.

Soapbox Vegans would do well to study RMS.

[–]skulgnome 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

TL;DR: Slowly and deliberately.

I know of some photographers like this. They shoot film and then develop it themselves.

[–]pseudochron 115 ポイント116 ポイント  (24子コメント)

A friend once asked me to watch a video with her that she was going to display on her computer using Netflix. I declined, saying that Netflix was such an affront to freedom that I could not be party to its use under any circumstances whatsoever.

He must be so much fun to hangout with.

[–]psly4mne 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (17子コメント)

He really is. He doesn't spend all his time preaching free software. He's well traveled and a generally interesting guy.

[–]aldo_reset 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (16子コメント)

I've been at a restaurant table with him and a friend of mine had him over one night after a conference (he prefers to stay at people's place instead of hotels) so I have some first hand experience interacting with him.

He's a very, very weird guy with a one track mind. He doesn't really have much to talk about besides open source, so he got isolated from the discussions very quickly because he really has no clue about what's happening in popular culture or even in the world in general.

To give you an example of his quirkiness, look no further than his travel requirements.

[–]gremy0 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Above 72 fahrenheit (22 centigrade) I find sleeping quite difficult. (If the air is dry, I can stand 23 degrees.) A little above that temperature, a strong electric fan blowing on me enables me to sleep. More than 3 degrees above that temperature, I need air conditioning to sleep

Putting him up for the night seems like a job for the sys admin

[–]gimpwiz 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Basically he's an old man with old man crankiness. Also his 'rider' clearly has a lot of stupid shit that's only there because someone once did it and it pissed him off, which is hilarious.

[–]jerhewet 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

an old man with old man crankiness.

Am there, doing that, upvoting because entirely accurate and realistic.

Me: Fuck Windows Update. And while we're at it, Visual Studio can eat a bag of dicks!

[–]jhpy1024 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Seems rather dickish to me.

[–]FakingItEveryDay 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Please don't be surprised if I pull out my computer at dinner and begin handling some of my email. I have difficulty hearing when there is noise; at dinner, when people are speaking to each other, I usually cannot hear their words. Rather than feel bored, or impose on everyone by asking them to speak slowly at me, I do some work.

Please don't try to pressure me to "relax" instead, and fall behind on my work. Surely you do not really want me to have to work double the next day to catch up (assuming I even COULD catch up). Please do not interfere as I do what I need to do.

Of course he can't ever catch up with his work. Working with a computer is a far slower and more tedious task for him than it is for the rest of the world.

[–]RandomGreatness 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (7子コメント)

He doesn't really have much to talk about besides open source

You mean free software?

[–]psly4mne 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He stayed at my place for a conference once, because my roommate knew him from school. We talked for hours, mostly not about software or anything relating to FOSS.

It's true that if you get him started on FOSS, he has strong opinions, but he does have other interests.

[–]NimChimspky 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

So he doesn't mind talking at events with corporate sponsors, as long as it's tasteful.

Seems hypocritical to me.

[–]0x808 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Given the choice Stallman would be pretty high on my list of people to hang out with, probably has a lot of interesting stories.

[–]wandernauta 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Whatever you do, make sure you do not accidentally buy him a parrot.

[–]hoohoo4 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Holy crap. That's more than a little odd...

[–]wandernauta 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, maybe. However, if I had a guest over, I'd much rather know in advance that he or she hated (say) avocado than find out during the meal, for example. I like the idea of a rider.

I think it's just that RMS has strong opinions on a lot of things, and a lifestyle that's very different from the rest of us, making his a bit of a read.

[–]smorrow -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Programmers. Stop using "login", "setup", and now "hangout" as verbs. Everybody else can manage it.

It ruins the whole rhythm and I have to read twice.

Edit: Without a space, those words are nouns, and pronounced quite differently.

[–]Cesque 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

i can actually see your point, the emphasis goes on different syllables

[–]brosyphus 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Fundamentalism usually does more harm than good IMO. If you want to scare someone away from computers in general, start preaching this at them...

On the other hand, that is some mad dedication to the Cause, yo.

[–]pastofor 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you want to scare someone away from computers in general, start preaching this at them...

Because casual users would ever hear about his views?

In reality, the only thing his views inspires are probably that of a programmer curiously asking "why", which might lead to some insights in the realms of free software, DRM, account anonymity and so on.

Society benefits from (peaceful) 'crazy' people.

[–]KazakiLion 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Is he still waiting to see if this whole CSS thing will catch on or something?

[–]gutsee 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's kind of computer Amish really.

[–]folkrav 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I'm really wondering how does that man live in this modern society, knowing that the government, banks and basically basically everything around him runs on at least some form of proprietary software. Does the guy gets paid in cash and keeps his money in a personal - mechanical - safe? What does he drive? Probably an older car without a dash computer? How does he deal with customs when going abroad? How does that fit in his views?

[–]zeroneo 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

From the article:

Likewise, I don't need to worry about what software is in a kiosk, pay phone, or ATM that I am using. I hope their owners migrate them to free software, for their sake, but there's no need for me to refuse to touch them until then. (I do consider what those machines and their owners might do with my personal data, but that's a different issue, which would arise just the same even if they did use free software. My response to that issue is to minimize those activities which give them any data about me.)

And:

As for microwave ovens and other appliances, if updating software is not a normal part of use of the device, then it is not a computer. In that case, I think the user need not take cognizance of whether the device contains a processor and software, or is built some other way. However, if it has an "update firmware" button, that means installing different software is a normal part of use, so it is a computer.

[–]RICHUNCLEPENNYBAGS 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reasonable compromise to avoid driving yourself insane but I don't know why that works but watching Netflix at a friend's house does not.

[–]wowitsnick 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm not sure about a car, but the guy lives in a Boston, with the traffic and the parking and the quality of public transport having a car there can actually be more of a hassle than it's worth. I know that I've read that he pays with cash whenever possible.

[–]folkrav 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

But do you know of a company that pays cash? How about taxes? He does need to do a tax report, doesn't he? How does he deal with being "tracked" by the government and banks?

I feel like a lot of his efforts kind of hard to apply to a lot of aspects of modern society...

[–]theHazardMan 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

His lifestyle is really only sustainable because the FSF has people who cater to his demands. For a "normal" person, this stuff would be impossible. It's also kind of his job to be this thoroughly informed about the things we would find exhausting to keep track of (seeing as how most of us have "normal" jobs and obligations).

[–]BadGoyWithAGun 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (5子コメント)

tl;dr: Emacs

[–]22SAS 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

C-x C-c??

[–]sudormrf 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Emacs is love. Emacs is life.

[–]jandrese 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He is the free software version of an ascetic monk.

[–]greenthumble 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I was confused about him saying most languages don't have read / eval / print. Really? In my experience most have facilities that could do that and I could write up a REPL-like thing for e.g. Python probably pretty quick. It wouldn't have as many features probably but the basic 3 functions are a very small Python program. Edit: oh but this isn't to say I disagree about Lisp and Lisp-likes. Functional programming is expressive in very interesting ways. I'm in the process of learning Clojure personally.

Edit: after thinking about this, Python isn't a fantastic choice to build a REPL-like thing on, so it's a good thing IDLE exists. Reason is because newlines are important in the language and the indentation holds context, a simple read (one line)/eval/print might not work so hot for def-ing functions. If we're talking simple expressions only my first thought above would work fine.

[–]a_Tick 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'll hazard a guess at what he means.

read - Takes a stream of characters and returns the first expression in that stream as a lisp object. This is essentially (perhaps actually) an abstract syntax tree for the expression.

eval - Takes a tree of lisp objects (like the kind returned by read) and returns the result of evaluating them in an environment (either specified or implicit).

print - Takes a lisp object and prints a textual representation of it to the screen.

As far as I know, most non-lisp languages don't have these. Most languages lack "read" altogether. Languages that do have something called "eval" parse and evaluate strings, not ASTs (or representations thereof). A lot of languages do have something like print, so I'm not sure what his point there is.

[–]greenthumble 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Aha thanks for that clarification. You're right. Though superficially similar readline() and evaluating it, that doesn't read a complete object by any stretch of imagination. Guess it's more like exposing part of the language parser to the runtime.

[–]jeandem 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's out of the loop with regards to programming languages born after 1995 or so. :-)

[–]LeihTexia 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I also don't get this. I'm pretty sure there is an eval in Python.

[–]original_brogrammer 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's called exec

[–]Solonarv 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

eval() is a function that takes a string containing an expression and returns the result of evaluating that expression.

execis a statement that takes a string containng a suite of statements and executes them. (It's a function in Python 3, but it does the same thing).

Using the ast module, Python is capable of parsing text into an AST which can then be compiled using compile() and evaluated/executed using the above functions. That's not exactly homoiconicity (and it isn't nearly as simple to use), but it comes rather close.

[–]aldo_reset 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Around 2008 I stopped doing programming projects. As a result, I have not had time or occasion to learn newer languages such as Perl, Python, PHP or Ruby.

In 2008, these languages were all between 10 and 20 years old and he calls them "new"...

[–]0x808 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

'Newer' which they certainly were compared to Lisp (1950s) and C (1970s).

[–]Wallacoloo 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

He also said that python has no read-eval-print mechanisms. It does: raw_input(), eval <expression> (or exec) and print <expression>. You can even use the IDLE python program that often comes shipped with python installations that provides an interactive read-eval-print loop interface.

[–]aazav 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

But still, you randomly capitalize Words.

[–]Scullyking 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Upvoting for hilarity.

[–]-_-__---__- 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

When you start a Lisp system, it enters a read-eval-print loop. Most other languages have nothing comparable to `read', nothing comparable to `eval', and nothing comparable to `print'. What gaping deficiencies!

What in the world? There is hardly a language out there without a REPL - direct proof that they have perfectly-functioning equivalents for every one of those. And "print"? What the heck would a programming language do if it never produced output?

[–]smorrow 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

C in its pure form -- the language proper, no libraries -- doesn't have printf, write(stdout=1, buf, nbytes), malloc, or anything involving syscalls. So...

And to me that's a sign that a language of C's type is done right.

(Making a system call is assembly code, assembled to .o and linked to your .c's .o.)

(According to some standard -- ANSI probably -- if your program doesn't include a definition of malloc, the C compiler should insert one of its own; maybe the same is true of printf - gcc does it, at least.

But just because it's C in its standard form doesn't mean it's C in its pure form.)

[–]eric-plutono 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I read a book about Java, and found it an elegant further development from C. But I have never used it. I did write some code in Java once, but the code was in C and Lisp (I simply happened to be in Java at the time).

What...?

Does he mean that he was in Java, the island?

[–]KevCon 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sounds like something he wrote while snickering at how clever he is.

[–]klug3 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Would have been slightly more funny if he had left the bracketed part out.

[–]IceDane 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (31子コメント)

As a computer science student, I know very well what this man has done for modern computing, but I can't help but put it out there: Jesus Hitler Christ, what a fucking dinosaur. This man sounds like the least interesting, most obnoxious, annoying little man on the planet. He sounds like he would whip himself if he accidentally violates his neckbeard honor code(which he can bend as he wants, it seems, so that he isn't too inconvenienced by it).

EDIT: This is incredible. The guy has a page dedicated to his own quotes. https://stallman.org/sayings.html

Here's a good one:

Odious ideas are not entitled to hide from criticism behind the human shield of their believers' feelings.

If by any chance this Obese Neckbeard Free Software Vegan gig doesn't work out for him, he can always make it as a professional quote maker.

[–]nat1192 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (0子コメント)

RMS is much too old to be a neckbeard. He's a greybeard at this point.

[–]0x808 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (0子コメント)

At this point Stallman is an extremist. He maximally, pedantically insists on operating in a way which fits his world view, to show that it can be done and overall his insistence on such combined with his influence can drag the whole of the software world towards his point ideologically.

[–]xienze 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (6子コメント)

He sounds like he would whip himself if he accidentally violates his neckbeard honor code

I really have to roll my eyes and him and other free software religious nuts. Geez people it's just software. It doesn't make you a good or bad person. It won't damn you to hell or ensure your place in heaven. It's just bits. Some freely available, some not. Get a grip.

[–]adamnew123456 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

But remember that it is those same bits that can track your activities online without your consent, intercept your communications in secret, handle your money, operate on your body, control your car when you drive from point A to point B, launch nuclear missiles, control nuclear reactors, etc.

The people who make software have lots of power. You should be aware what freedoms you're handing over when you decide to use software which isn't under your control. I don't take the hardline of avoiding all non-FOSS software, but rms is informative in that he gives you perspective on the power software has over your life.

[–]planetelex 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I actually despise the "everything should be free" people. I spent 2 years writing my last software and was crucified in IRC for asking what price seemed reasonable. Crucified - full on morality in question. Yes, I do value my time and in our society that value is measured with green pieces of paper, of which I do want a decent collection of in return for my time and effort. Free software is great, where it is great to be free, which is not everywhere.

[–]RICHUNCLEPENNYBAGS 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

RMS is basically on the record saying he doesn't care whether people can support themselves or their families writing software or not.

[–]sirjayjayec 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

You can charge money for free software.

[–]planetelex 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

As long as you don't mind someone coming along and taking your code. That may be fine if I had written a little header library, but having algorithms that every competitor wants to get their hands on made going free a self-destructive option

[–]sirjayjayec 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Whilst I would argue that math shouldn't be seen as IP, if you make your algorithm into a binary blob which is ran inside of a container with limited privileges and then build a separate piece of software that interacts with it which is under the GPL then we get the most of the benefits of both sides, from looking at the GPL'd stuff you can determine if the binary blob can do anything malicious.

[–]rebel581 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Here's a good one: Odious ideas are not entitled to hide from criticism behind the human shield of their believers' feelings.

What is wrong with this statement? Are some ideas above criticism? That's a dangerous idea in a free and open society.

[–]KevCon -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

It uses a lot of unnecessary big words.

[–]sirjayjayec 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

/s...?

[–]KevCon 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Um, no? That quote is needlessly complicated, I had to read it three times before I understood what he was even trying to say. Then I discovered it's not even profound.

[–]sirjayjayec 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not disagreeing with you but none of the words are that long...

[–]bucknuggets 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Exactly what does his beard, weight and diet having to do with his computing and philosophy? Seriously irrelevant to the topic.

[–]folkrav 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

OP is basically playing with the neckbeard stereotype to make a point.

[–]bucknuggets 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Point being that unless you look like a male model what you say doesn't matter?

[–]cp5184 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Imagine what computing would look like today without GNU, which was fundamental to the adoption of linux. Without *BSD.

Under ballmer, as late as august 2014, microsoft was pursuing a closed software ecosystem from the windows phone, and extending to the windows tablet, and desktop windows.

So as extremist as RMS may be, look at how extremist ballmer was.

[–]aldo_reset 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Imagine what computing would look like today without GNU, which was fundamental to the adoption of linux. Without *BSD.

It would probably be exactly the same as it is today, the open source movement would have happened anyway, probably led by someone who looks less insane than rms does.

We're talking about scientific advancement, thinking that without a certain person, such progress would never have happened is showing a gross misunderstanding how how science works.

[–]anhaseyo 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

rms doesn't lead the Open Source movement, he is involved with the Free Software movement.

Here's a good article that explains the difference. Essentially, the Open Source movement was born because "screw those FSF nerds, we want big business to love us".

[–]RICHUNCLEPENNYBAGS 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

ESR is way more odious than RMS. At least the latter has noteworthy accomplishments and is obnoxious because he has actual principles.

[–]anhaseyo 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wouldn't call RMS obnoxious. His stance on software freedom is fairly uncompromising, and in a world where convenience is king, someone with that rigid a worldview might not always be received well. That doesn't mean they're being obnoxious, though.

[–]FakingItEveryDay 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (5子コメント)

What are you getting at by "Without *BSD?" I think the BSDs would be just fine today without GNU, they operate under a totally different philosophy. A more anarchist freedom compared to the socialist freedom of the GPL.

[–]cp5184 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

netBSD, for instance, which uses GNU?

[–]Dragdu -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Well then we would have to make do with only OpenBSD and FreeBSD. Such horror.

[–]cp5184 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

For historical reasons, the OpenBSD base system still includes the following GPL-licensed components: the GNU compiler collection (GCC) with supporting binutils and libraries, GNU CVS, GNU texinfo, the mkhybrid file system creation tool, and the readline library.

Did freebsd finally get away from GCC with llvm? Wasn't llvm an apple project from mid-late 2000s?

So pretty much no openbsd, and no freebsd... But there's still... NothingCompilesBSD... Because it doesn't have a compiler. So nothing compiles.

[–]Dragdu -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Do you really think that the only OSS compiler is GCC? Cute.

[–]cp5184 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's the one free, open, and netbsd used.

[–]Otterfan 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ballmer wasn't unwilling to use free software. He just didn't make it.

[–]RICHUNCLEPENNYBAGS 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any phony God's blessing. But because, I am enlightened by my intelligence. -- Richard Stallman

Funny Stallman stuff includes his weird personal ad, his angry rant to a guy who posted about his child being born to USENET, and the epilogue to the biography about him where he kept staring at the breasts of the author's wife and interrupts her saying something that began "Thank God" to interject "I hate to break it to you, but there is no God."

[–]jurniss 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

surprised to see so many negative opinions on rms's beliefs and practices. sure his viewpoint is extreme, but without a loud voice broadcasting these ideas, the "opinion space" becomes smaller and the mean shifts towards the other extreme, who has a huge advantage in funding. for example, if the GPL didn't exist, the BSD license might seem "out there" instead of seeming like a reasonable compromise.

the security revelations over the past few years, from both governments and technology vendors, have repeatedly validated the talking points rms has been repeating for DECADES. everyone said he was paranoid, but he was right.

maybe the free software movement would do better if someone with a more sellable public image voiced their support as loudly as rms does. but those decades have passed and nobody stepped up. i guess it was too much work, or it didn't pay enough. all those concern trolling about how his weirdness hurts the movement - put up or shut up. if you're so much more likable and reasonable, start giving some fucking talks on free software.

edit: i recognize my last paragraph sounds like people who say, for example, "if you think x band sucks, why don't you make better music?" i certainly don't think that's a valid rebuttal to criticism. an individual can criticize music without being a musician, and they can criticize software evangelists without being a software evangelist. but collective behavior of an entire community does not fall under the same rules. it's a failure of the community when everybody criticizes but nobody tries to do better.

[–]dccorona 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not so much the extremities of his ideas as it is the juvenile lengths he goes to to discredit those that he opposes. I mean, just click through to his "don't buy from Amazon" page...not once does he not refer to the Kindle as the "Swindle". Sounds just like the raving 14 year old PS4 fanboys who are talking about how much Micro$oft sucks...

[–]ENOENT 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (9子コメント)

I won't lie: this is a pretty sweet setup considering the constraints. It reveals a person with hacker's mindset.

[–]aldo_reset 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (7子コメント)

How so? Most of the constraints he set for himself have absolutely nothing to do with the hacker's mindset (besides, he says he stopped writing code a long time ago).

[–]ENOENT 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

One example is being careful when browsing the net. I think it's definitely a hacker's constraint: once you learn how the web works, you know how easy it is to track you and invade your privacy. "Normal" people don't think about stuff like cookies, etags or even ip numbers - which is pity of course.

[–]aldo_reset 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (5子コメント)

He's not browsing the web this way for privacy concerns but because he only wants to use open source tools along the entire chain

[–]Cg2XHPxz 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think it's both. Anonymity is clearly a big part of it

[–]ENOENT 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's even more geeky justification.

[–]captncraig 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

free and "open source" are not synonyms to this guy. You will never hear RMS say "open source" except to disparage the term.

[–]aldo_reset 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah but I prefer to use words in a way that they are commonly understood in the real world.

I also keep saying Linux and not GNU/Linux because I'm such a rebel.

[–]RICHUNCLEPENNYBAGS 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's not true or else he wouldn't bother ensuring he was disconnected from the Internet before viewing pages he'd fetched from the Internet. You can browse the Internet using only FOSS if you want.

[–]xienze 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It reveals a person with a "computer Amish" mindset.

[–]hervold 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"all progress depends on the unreasonable man" ("unreasonable person" would be better, but take it up with George Bernard Shaw.)

I've had a few social encounters with Stallman. He's not a fan of the many social customs that ease interactions with strangers, but he's a nice enough guy.

[–]jdefr89 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He is also into sex with plants. And doesn't see the harm in pedophilia... I mean c'mon the dude is out there. Being bright and nuts aren't mutually exclusive.