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[–]NoSpicyFood 14 ポイント15 ポイント16 ポイント 9 時間 前* (23子コメント)
How can people like that take themselves seriously? It takes a special kind of dickhead to go into that situation with the full intention of being as difficult and suspicious as possible, spout off laws that you barely have a grasp of, then scream corruption when what you knew was going to happen actually happened.
The driver was in the right. He doesn't have to say anything (Fifth Amendment) and he doesn't have to get out of his truck or allow them into it (Fourth Amendment). This was an interior 'border' checkpoint where the government stops citizens without suspicion and demands their papers. Superficially, these are for illegal immigration, but they all have drug sniffing dogs. Unless dogs can suddenly also smell citizenship, they have no business being there since drug checkpoints are illegal.
[+]Chips_AhoyMcoy スコアが基準値未満のコメント-10 ポイント-9 ポイント-8 ポイント 8 時間 前 (3子コメント)
I understand you have the right to travel freely without being stopped ect... But its a public road maintained by the state with certain codes and regulations. Why do people think they have a right to not follow those rules?
[–]NoSpicyFood 10 ポイント11 ポイント12 ポイント 8 時間 前 (2子コメント)
He stopped. That's all he has to do. He doesn't have to answer questions or allow the government to search his vehicle.
[+]huangswang スコアが基準値未満のコメント-6 ポイント-5 ポイント-4 ポイント 4 時間 前 (1子コメント)
when you're at a border checkpoint you do
[–]NoSpicyFood 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 3 時間 前 (0子コメント)
This was an interior 'border' checkpoint. It wasn't actually on any border.
[+]BeachCop スコアが基準値未満のコメント-13 ポイント-12 ポイント-11 ポイント 8 時間 前 (18子コメント)
An officer can order someone, driver or passenger, out of a vehicle for safety reasons. So yes, he did have to get out of the vehicle.
[–]NoSpicyFood 11 ポイント12 ポイント13 ポイント 8 時間 前 (17子コメント)
There were no safety concerns here, nor was there a suspicion of any crime or civil infraction. What we have is a man who was stopped for no reason and then detained and removed from his vehicle because some cops got butthurt because they hate the Fifth Amendment. These were and are bad cops.
[+]thestapler42 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-11 ポイント-10 ポイント-9 ポイント 8 時間 前 (11子コメント)
I'm pretty sure there's reasonable suspicion when you pull up babbling like an idiot about opting out of a simple identification check when you're driving what looks like a semi truck at a border.
[–]NoSpicyFood 8 ポイント9 ポイント10 ポイント 7 時間 前 (10子コメント)
He wasn't at the border. If he was, he would likely be in the wrong. This is an interior checkpoint that was set up via the Patriot Act. They can be located upwards of 100 miles from any border. The government claims they're for immigration, but they're all filled with drug sniffing dogs. This is interesting since drug checkpoints are illegal; the government can't stop you to check for general illegal activity. (It, unfortunately, can stop you without suspicion for DUI and immigration checkpoints, at least according to the Fourth Amendment hating SCOTUS.)
At any rate, there are a lot of great checkpoint refusal videos out there. They usually last 5 to 10 minutes where the agents get butthurt and go cry to their supervisors because someone won't talk to them. Unsurprisingly, most of these agents think you must answer their questions, hence the butthurt. Apparently they have zero familiarity with the Fifth Amendment.
[+]Sideshow_Slob スコアが基準値未満のコメント-10 ポイント-9 ポイント-8 ポイント 7 時間 前 (9子コメント)
Most of them probably get "butthurt" because they're just doing their job. It's not as though these border control agents are laying out the policies and the requirements of their position. Berating these employees does fuck all to fix the perceived issue, save for making someone's job more difficult. How about actually doing something productive like trying to change the legislation instead of nonsense like this?
[–]NoSpicyFood 10 ポイント11 ポイント12 ポイント 7 時間 前 (8子コメント)
These agents are routinely out there violating rights. Are you aware that they lose their qualified immunity when they violate a person's civil rights? The reason is because they are expected to know they can't force people to do things like talk to the government. Search YouTube for checkpoint refusal videos. The theme you'll find is that the agents routinely tell citizens that they must answer government questions. These people are a huge part of the problem.
But maybe you're right. I mean, remember when all those black people used to sit in diners and demand service? Why did they have to make the jobs of those waitresses harder? They should have just petitioned their legislators, right?
[–]Sideshow_Slob -5 ポイント-4 ポイント-3 ポイント 7 時間 前 (7子コメント)
Comparing the widespread mistreatment of an entire race to some questionable practices at border stops is absolutely ridiculous.
[–]NoSpicyFood 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 7 時間 前 (6子コメント)
You misunderstand. I've compared civil rights violations as endorsed by the government to civil rights violations as endorsed by the government.
[–]Sideshow_Slob -5 ポイント-4 ポイント-3 ポイント 7 時間 前 (5子コメント)
Wow. When you strip away every last shred of context, they're surprisingly similar. It's laughable to even vaguely compare or link the refusal to answer a question at a border stop to the actions of a discriminated, segregated, and marginalized group of people.
[+]BeachCop スコアが基準値未満のコメント-13 ポイント-12 ポイント-11 ポイント 8 時間 前 (4子コメント)
There were no safety concerns here,
Maybe to you, but to an officer there could be a number of safety concerns. This might come as a shock to you, but the police can, and do, issue lawful orders to people all the time, and just because you don't like them or agree with them, it does not mean that you don't have to obey them. Nor are they required to tell you what their safety concerns may be.
[–]NoSpicyFood 13 ポイント14 ポイント15 ポイント 8 時間 前 (3子コメント)
Well, you're a cop. You're going to lie. Just like you are right now, even though we have the video. The LEOs here didn't get butthurt until the guy stood behind the Fifth Amendment. They weren't concerned for their safety. Hell, the guy didn't even want to stick around. What did they think was going to happen? He was going to throw a grenade out his window as he pulled off? Please. You're desperate to justify this when you know it's wrong. This guy has a great lawsuit here if he wants it. He had at least two Constitutionally protected rights violated by a bunch of bad, childish cops.
[–]Dark-Forest 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 4 分 前 (0子コメント)
I'm really enjoying this debate.
[+]BeachCop スコアが基準値未満のコメント-14 ポイント-13 ポイント-12 ポイント 8 時間 前 (1子コメント)
OK.
[–]NoSpicyFood 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 7 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Don't be a troll because you don't like the Constitution.
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