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Enough is enough. (self.hockey)

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Time and time again have us proud hockey fans been told the game needs to be expanded to the American South and Southwest. However, time and time again we witness these franchises struggle. With all the talk about moving a team to Las Vegas, I think it's time for us noble fans to stand up and tell Bettman we want teams in places where they will succeed and not be a drain on the league.

There are plenty of places in Canada that could easily support NHL teams. Hamilton and Quebec City are the two obvious ones. But Kitchener, Burnaby, Wood Buffalo, and Thunderbay are all huge markets waiting for the NHL to pounce on.

I'm sure if you've read this far you understand that I make a lot of good points, but it would never happen because Bettman, known anti-Canadian, would never let Canada get another team. Well let's just say me and buds have got a way around the big man: A social media revolution. Me and my friends have been ending all our tweets with #FireBettman. We believe if we could get more people on board we could truly make a difference. And that's where you come in /r/hockey. If you want the good people of Thunderbay and Burnaby to get NHL teams you have to end all tweets with #FireBettman

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[–]DeadDougMINAlt3NHL 239 ポイント240 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Ah yes, the thriving metropolis that is Wood Buffalo, a place that I had to google to make sure wasn't fake.

[–]kmadVANSkateNHL 70 ポイント71 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Honestly I think it would be worth putting a team there just for the headlines when they play against the Sabres.

[–]DrLiamIIHFUSA2014Alt 112 ポイント113 ポイント  (5子コメント)

The real question is would Buffalo beat Wood Buffalo?

[–]tluck81BUFAngryGoatAltNHL 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What are you, a broken record?

[–]DrLiamIIHFUSA2014Alt 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, If I was a broken record i woulIf I was a broken record I woulIf I was a broken record I woul

[–]NewtothisredditbizAtlantaFlamesOLDNHL 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo.

[–]DrLiamIIHFUSA2014Alt 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

now the word Buffalo sounds weird

[–]jrad151FLAStickNHL 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Great white buffalo

[–]PassTheSyrupTOROld3NHL 96 ポイント97 ポイント  (10子コメント)

This is the exact kind of rant I'd expect from a person that believes Thunder Bay, Burnaby and Wood Buffalo (lol) can support NHL teams

[–]Aperture-EmployeeCHIAlt2NHL 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm sure if you've read this far you understand that I make a lot of good points.

Umm. You named 6 cities and claimed they are huge markets waiting for the NHL without citing proof that an NHL team would succeed in those "huge" markets. In addition to that you said that "time and time again" teams have failed in the South/Southwest. In stark contrast to that Tampa Bay is top 10 in attendance (above 2 O6 teams and 3 Canadian teams), the Kings have an average of 100.2% attendance at home so far this year, San Jose sits at 98.8%, Nashville 98.7, and Anaheim at 96.5. In addition to that the Panthers are drawing more and more interest this season, seeing back to back season highs in attendance against the Penguins last Monday (15,947) and the Leafs last night (17,877). Next time before you claim that you made a lot of good points, actually make points and back them up.

[–]ajoy39BUFNHL 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (1子コメント)

plus there's only really been 2 teams in south that have actually folded at this point depending on how we define "south". And both those teams were based in Atlanta. California, St Louis, and Kansas City have also lost teams in the past. But most of even the most recent failures, Hartford, Quebec, Minnesota, and Winnipeg being 4 of the most recent 5, are definitely in the north and half of them are Canadian.

[–]GodfarberFLAPalmTreeNHL 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

A lot of people think the ATL teams folded not only because of ownership, but because of location. Most people view hockey as a predominately "white" sport, and putting the stadium in the middle of a super shitty urban area didn't support that.

[–]BrunovitchMTLNHL 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (2子コメント)

This thread is sure to do well here. Let's watch.

[–]calamormineNYROld1NHL 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (1子コメント)

http://i.imgur.com/ExGkUJO.gif

[–]BrunovitchMTLNHL 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think the thread is remove now, but shit, (hihihihihi, butt shit) this has the potential to be really entertaining.

Edit : apparently not remove, just buried.

[–]blueandgoldjliFLANHL 64 ポイント65 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Lol.

Sincerely,

The Sunbelt.

[–]BrunovitchMTLNHL 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lol.

Sincerely,

The Sunbelt. everyone.

FTFY

[–]kmadVANSkateNHL 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You need to realize Bettman isn't some Zeus-like expansion god who can just plop teams wherever he feels like it.

There needs to be:
1) Viable hockey market, or viable growth potential
2) Suitable NHL-ready arena, or a suitable NHL-ready arena under construction
3) Ownership group with deep pockets interested in owning a team, and covering for early franchise losses

On top of that, the Board of Governors needs to approve all expansion or relocation efforts.

Again, you've proven that the majority of people who hate Bettman don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

[–]DisgruntledPorcupineMTLNHL 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Uhh is this a joke? Lots of those places are nowhere near big enough. And Thunder Bay is both too small and lightyears away from civilization.

[–]ajoy39BUFNHL 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Putting teams in those cities does nothing to increase overall revenue. Canada is saturated at this point, nearly everyone who is going to be interested in NHL hockey already has a team and spends money on them. You don't generate new fans by putting teams in areas with established fan bases, you just shift them around. You haven't expanded the pot at all, you're just stirring it. Ottawa is the perfect example. Ottawa is struggling to build a fan base because everyone in that area was already a fan of the Habs or Maple Leafs. Senators fans would have been Leafs or Habs fans if the Senators didn;t exist, you haven't generated new fans. The same is true of nearly anywhere you can think to put a team in Canada.

The Panthers may not be a successful franchise but the fans that they do have mostly weren't NHL fans before. That's new money in to the system.

Edit: Plus with the canadian dollar falling now is not an ideal time to put a new franchise in Canada. otherwise successful franchises have folded in the past because of a weak CAD, putting an expansion team in now would be suicide.

[–]criticalhitVANStickInRinkNHL 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (4子コメント)

What about the Nordiques, North Stars, Whalers, the (old) Jets

I think Hartford, QC, Seattle, Portland or Hamilton deserve an NHL team more than 100 degrees every day-land or a city where nobody cares about anything other than college football/basketball

[–]joel_of_the_jungleCHIOldNHL 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I agree (partially). Seattle should have the next team.

[–]NastyKnateMTLOld1NHL 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

QC due to the new arena being good to go. i would nto be against a team in seattle either.

the KW area (kitchener, waterloo, cambridge) has always intrigued me . Ballsillie talked about it when I worked there. Makes more sense to me than markham or vegas

[–][deleted] 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The North Stars were moved due to Norm Green being a fuck.

[–]MagicSeatNYRLadyNHL 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is also a reason why the Whalers aren't coming back.

[–]dynamojoeFLANHL 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The Panthers may not be a successful franchise but the fans that they do have mostly weren't NHL fans before. That's new money in to the system.

I'm one. I climbed aboard in '96 and I've been a fan of the game ever since.

[–]GodfarberFLAPalmTreeNHL 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah that's what people don't understand. Canada doesn't need a new team because they're already hockey fans. They'll buy the jerseys, watch the games, etc. By putting teams in non-traditional markets, and those markets succeeding, the sport of hockey grows. It develops more fans, a broader audience, and therefore more revenue.

[–]crazy_canuckleheadBOSPoohBearNHL-2 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Populations:

Kitchener: 204,668

Burnaby: 202,800

Wood Buffalo: 116,407

Thunder Bay: 109,140

Smallest NHL city population

.29. Sunrise, FL: 90,793

.30. Uniondale, NY: 23,299 (moving to Brooklyn this year)

The only ones that any one of them will be ahead of in population. And if you want to include the metropolitan areas, your "Kitchener, Burnaby, Wood Buffalo, and Thunderbay are all huge markets waiting for the NHL to pounce on" becomes slightly laughable.

http://statshockey.homestead.com/info/nhlcities.html

[–]daemenPHINHL 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And if you want to include the metropolitan areas

But that further supports his argument! If you include metropolitan areas

Thunder Bay: 109,140

becomes

Metropolitan Thunder Bay: 109,151

Think how much revenue those extra 11 fans could bring to a team! At $50/ticket for 42 home games that's an extra $23000 per year! Think about how many more pucks that could buy!

When you include not just Thunder Bay, but Kakabeka Falls, Paipoonge, Murillo and South Gillies, how is it not obvious that Thunder Bay is just ripe for an NHL team?!

/s

Sorry, I'm from Thunder Bay and the idea that we could support an NHL team is just laughable.

[–]stillclubVANStickInRinkNHL 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (3子コメント)

No player would want to play in those cities. Christ what God awful team would fort Mac be made if.

[–]GaglardiVANNHL 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Burnaby is pretty great, i mean, youre pretty much in vancouver

[–]9letternameIIHFCanada 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hell the Canucks used to practice at 8 rinks before the new UBC rink opened up

[–]VanhamCanuckspursVANVNHL 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can't imagine many fans would abandon the Canucks though.

[–]lamabaFLANHL 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Using only Sunrise's population is a bit disingenuous considering the population of the Miami Metropolitan Area (which Sunrise is a part of) is nearly 4 million.

[–]crazy_canuckleheadBOSPoohBearNHL-2 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thats why I included the links, I couldnt get solid metropolitan data for all of the Canadian places

[–]danielcohen 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

not to mention that plantation is like a street down, which is another 90 thousand people

[–]Becau5eRea5on5WHLBrandonWheatKings 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Also, why say Wood Buffalo when it's basically just Fort Mac up there?

[–]MorgothEatsUrBabiesMTLOld6NHL 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah Wood Buffalo is geographically massive but honestly who would drive 3 hours on one of the most dangerous highways in the country to attend an NHL game? And then have to drive back after the game?

Outside of Fort McMurray there's not a living soul for hundreds of kms - except camp workers, who I'm sure are all waiting with bated breath for an NHL team!

[–]RyPhyOHLOshawaGenerals 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also Uniondale has small numbers, but the people are very compact and there are other populated towns a short drive away that fans can come from too. and there are 8 million people on LI that can support the team.

[–]btownbombCARNHL 67 ポイント68 ポイント  (60子コメント)

let me guess: it's entirely the fans fault isn't it?

get out of here with that.

also, that last paragraph is a shit sandwich.

I'm sure if you've read this far you understand that I make a lot of good points

fuck your ego

If you want the good people of Thunderbay and Burnaby to get NHL teams you have to end all tweets with #FireBettman

1) it's thunder bay

2) they will not give a rats ass about an influx of hashtags, and rightfully so.

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[–]ajoy39BUFNHL 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh and there is no way in hell a social media campaign gets Bettman fired. I don't know how much you know about US football, but if the media and social backlash against Roger Goodell didn't get him fired as Commish of the NFL, a couple of people complaining on twitter isn't going to do anything. You want change? Convince everyone you know to stop spending money on the NHL and stop watching or listening to games. Period. That's the only thing that is going to Bettman fired. We're talking about a dude that gets booed every time he makes a public appearance, being accepted by the masses isn't in his job description.

[–]btownbombCARNHL 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

watch your mouth you'll upset him

[–][deleted] 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (15子コメント)

Is "anti-canadian" a real thing?

[–]courteous_coitusCHINHL 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

if you've read this far you understand that I make a lot of good points

Ummm within your post? You've made zero good points.

Just because a city has lots of raving hockey fans doesn't mean it can support a hockey team. I'm from Saskatchewan and trust me, many people would love a hockey team here, but there just aren't enough people to support the team. Would 15,000 Thunder Bay-ites (?) be able to a hockey game 41 times a year? I doubt it.

Las Vegas, meanwhile, probably would. Sure, there aren't many die-hard fans there, but there are plenty of people there with money to spend. I think Vegas would still be a little risky, but it's much more lucrative than Water Buffalo.

EDIT: Forgot to mention Bettman:

Yes, Bettman is a shithead, but do you honestly think Bettman isn't putting a team in Canada because he's anti-Canadian? Do you think he's lying in bed, staring at the ceiling, and thinking to himself Hamilton and Quebec could viably bring millions and millions of dollars to the league but you know what? I hate Canada. Fuck that. I think I'll put a team in Vegas just to spite those assholes.

Bettman is a businessman, plain and simple. If he doesn't put a team in Canada it's because he doesn't believe it's feasible, not because he hates Canada.

[–]SnakeAColdCruiser 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Go Canes!

[–]JamesLLLPITNHL 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow. Can't wait to see this on the weekly best of, Mr. Cherry.

[–]Testafyer2FLANHL 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ahem

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

no

[–]hertler48SJSOldAltNHL 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because San Jose has failed as a franchise, Because Los Angeles has failed as a franchise, Because Anaheim has failed as a franchise, Because Dallas has failed as a franchise, Because Tampa Bay has failed as a franchise, Because Carolina has failed as a franchise. Just because Canada is crazy about hockey, doesn't mean the game doesn't deserve to be expanded to places where it originally wasn't. I don't think I would've ever discovered hockey if it wasn't for the Sharks and the youth programs in the Bay Area that exist because of that 1991 expansion to a place in the "American South", which really I'd guess is anywhere it doesn't snow in your definition. I'm all for the good people of Thunderbay and Burnaby getting NHL teams if they really do have the economy and population to do so, just not at the expense of growing the game in parts of the world that aren't Canada or the northern US.