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Boston Marathon bomber sentenced to death (cnn.com)

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[–]cupcakekangaroo 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (7子コメント)

"Bill and Denise Richards, parents of the bombing's littlest victim, 8-year-old Martin, looked on stoically from the second row near the jury box. They were against the death penalty.:

woah...

[–]AsparagusRocket 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I imagined they didn't want to see anymore lives lost.

[–]TheMossad 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Or maybe they know that the process of putting this guy on death row and executing him with cost millions more than it would to jail him for the next ~60 years until he dies. He's already taken enough from Boston, he doesn't need to take their tax dollars for the insane death row legal fees.

We all wish that his death sentence was as simple as putting a piece of lead into his head (which is what he deserves), but it's actually very complicated and expensive.

[–]bllasaeLibertarian Conservative 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It wasn't for Timothy McVeigh. Same situation, 6 years.

[–]TheMossad -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What do you mean it wasn't for Timothy McVeigh??? It took 6 Years and 13.8 million dollars of taxpayer money, including 6.7 million for lawyers alone.

[–]bllasaeLibertarian Conservative 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

6 years is a lot less than a lot of people on death row from the 80s.

[–]seweroutlet 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yup, we should do "life without parole" that just works so well! Just like another very famous Boston case where a child killed (choked with a gasoline rag), raped, then sealed in a barrel and dumped in a river by 2 men, now up for parole hearings. Justice!

http://www.wcvb.com/news/convicted-child-rapist-killer-granted-parole-hearing/32607158

[–]AsparagusRocket 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't want him to die regardless of the cost of the legal fees for death row.

[–]bllasaeLibertarian Conservative 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (3子コメント)

God bless those jurors.

[–]KingJak117 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I've always wondered about the people on these trials that go on for months. Do they have to remain sequestered in hotels while the trial goes on for all these months?

[–]Tsuruta64 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

My English teacher in middle school was one of the Andrea Yates jurors.

She was gone for those entire months. It was kind of funny because all we heard at first was that she was out for jury duty. But when she was gone for a LOOOONNNNNNGGGG time, we more or less realized which trial she had to be jury duty for. Made it kind of surreal.

[–]cupcakekangaroo 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If the judge deems it necessary then they do. I read runaway jury so I'm an expert on this topic.

[–]Tsuruta64 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Hell yeah. Scum should be shot, pretty damn simple.

[–]KingJak117 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

We haven't used the guillotine in a while...just saying...

[–]the_federalistMadisonian Republican 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (20子コメント)

Use a firing squad, then grind up his body and feed it to pigs. Make sure the whole process is broadcast to a global audience so that Muslims extremists everywhere understand what the punishment is for using Islam as cover for murder.

[–]DonnieS1Suppprter 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Don't need to grind him up. Don't need to shoot him. Just tie his hands and feet and throw him in with a bunch of sows.

[–]the_federalistMadisonian Republican 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even better.

[–]Rusty-S -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That is what he really deserves.

[–]KingJak117 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (16子コメント)

How does that make us better than ISIS who beheads journalists on live tv for the world to see as a message to those who won't convert?

[–]xXnewbsonlyXx 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Journalists didn't deserve it. I don't agree with the pigs thing, but I think death penalty is correct.

[–]the_federalistMadisonian Republican 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I want the Muslim world to see that we're not afraid to defile their bodies. I want them to know that when they do this, we're going to do what needs to be done to make sure they don't go to Paradise.

[–]the_federalistMadisonian Republican -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (12子コメント)

We're better in many other ways. I'm willing to be their equal in this one way.

[–]TheReaver88 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (11子コメント)

I'm willing to be their equal in this one way.

You mean in the one way in which conservatives actually actively and consistently criticize Islam? Maybe let's try to be better than that.

[–]the_federalistMadisonian Republican 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Hmm. Well, we had a trial, and we presented evidence, and he was found guilty, and now he's going to be put to death unless he decides to appeal the verdict. Seems like he had a fair trial. That's more than ISIS has ever given anyone else. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

[–]Master_Race_Card 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Spot on.

[–]NoRegretj -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Let him be feminine. The moral high ground approach of your average liberal. Off with his head.

[–]TheReaver88 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Yes, he was found guilty, fairly. That doesn't mean we have to kill him.

[–]the_federalistMadisonian Republican 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

No, we don't have to. But we should. And we should do it in a way that shows these fucking animals that we're serious about destroying them. Maybe you don't understand--it's time for war. Either these extremists die, or we do. There's no middle ground. I'm not for giving up all of our principles, but I am willing to make a show of executing any Islamic extremist who attempts to maim or murder in the name of Islam. If these fuckers want to wage war on our civilization and culture it would be nice if some men would step up and give them a damn fight. Instead, we have Neville Chamberlain's vagina giving these fucktards a pass.

[–]died_inthe_wool 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Ahem, women too.

[–]Seamus_OReilly 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

....shouldn't it be "dyed_inthe_wool?"

[–]the_federalistMadisonian Republican 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Real women, not these SJW asshats. The kind of women who know when an animal needs to be put down and aren't afraid to do it.

[–]TheReaver88 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And we should do it in a way that shows these fucking animals that we're serious about destroying them. Maybe you don't understand--it's time for war.

People like you are why democrats say the crazy paranoid-sounding shit they say. Usually, we shrug it off and say, "Nah, conservatives aren't really like that."

Exhibit A.

[–]bllasaeLibertarian Conservative 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Cry me a fucking river. All his victims didn't have to be killed or maimed either.

[–]Paperigrine 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (19子コメント)

I only wish they would simply kill him immediately so we never have to see his face. At least he won't be around for 60 years for the fucking media to interview him and give him facetime on national television.

[–]not-Kid_Putin 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Funny story, I've been told by friends and family that I look a lot like the bomber. Additionally ironic, my uncle was actually present in Boston attending the marathon (thank God not hurt)

[–]InfiniteHatred 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

You don't think he deserves due process (the ability to appeal his sentence)?

[–]bllasaeLibertarian Conservative 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think he deserves unlimited appeals that just waste money, no.

[–]Rusty-S -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why should he? Did he remember that the people he tried to blow up are the very people who will pay for his survival with their tax dollars?

There is no further due process.

[–]InfiniteHatred 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's a U.S. citizen who committed a crime in America. That's why.

We can't just selectively suspend due process for someone because of how we feel about his crimes. That would violate the Constitution. We must put him through the whole process, including appeals, regardless of how anyone feels about him and his actions. We must be especially judicious in observing due process when sentencing a person to capital punishment. If we find evidence that exonerates him (as improbable as that is in this case), and we've already executed him, then it's too late to do anything.

We must not succumb to emotion when we deal with serious matters of life and death.

[–]Paperigrine -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean yeah obviously, the point I was making was that I don't want to see people parading his face and story around for years to come. I mean Dahmer got popped pretty quick in prison, but they still managed to get a fucking two hour televised interview out of him. Fuck that

[–]bllasaeLibertarian Conservative -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (11子コメント)

I really wish they'd execute him immediately so the liberals don't lie and use this as an excuse to say the death penalty is more expensive than life in prison. They artificially inflate the cost by including legal appeals, etc.

[–]TheMossad 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (10子コメント)

The death penalty IS more expensive than life in prison. The appeal process and lawyers fees are always included in the total cost of the trail and sentencing. You're just lying when you say it's "artificial", it's very real, and the TAXPAYERS are paying for that, not the criminal. You say you're a conservative in your flair, but your thinking is that of a tax-and-spend liberal, just wishing away the costs as if money doesn't matter.

I wish they'd execute him immediately too, but reality doesn't work like that.

[–]TeaPartyOverlordSupporter 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

The death penalty IS more expensive than life in prison.

That argument, as employed by most people, is somewhat hypocritical. If we made execution much cheaper than life in prison (which is possible to do), many of them would still oppose it anyway, so cost isn't really a factor.

In that same circumstance, on the flip side, would death-penalty advocates go through the files of everyone with a life sentence going "why don't we just kill them, it's cheaper?" Hardly.

It's really a question of what the person deserves.

[–]TheMossad -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I agree with you that it is a question of what a person deserves. I think he deserves death, but I was just trying to explain to the person I responded to how in reality, the death sentence is more expensive than life in prison. That's all. He's trying to say that the death penalty is cheaper and the cost is "artificially inflated", which is just ignoring reality. Until the legal fees, transportation, and expert witness testimony fees are reduced, there's nothing artificial about it.

[–]TeaPartyOverlordSupporter 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I thought that was probably the case, which is why I avoided criticizing your particular use of it and instead addressed the way it's typically used. Sorry if that was too much of a tangent to make sense.

[–]TheMossad 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No problem lol, of course in no way should our justice system be determined by costs. Justice should always be served based on the nature of the crime. It's just a sad state of affairs that these scumbags cost so much money to convict.

[–]lovedeepweb 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

so? don't blame the death penalty supporters, blame the broken prison complex system that can't kill someone quickly and humanely.

[–]bllasaeLibertarian Conservative -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

the death sentence is more expensive than life in prison

It's not though. Even taking into account appeals, that's part of the judicial process, not the death penalty.

[–]bllasaeLibertarian Conservative -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

No, it's not. Artificially inflating a price doesn't make it true, so YOU'D be the one lying. And no, my thinking is definitely not tax-and-spend. I'd have him executed within the hour of him being guilty, but the libs want criminals to waste the public's money, so w/e. The liberals wanted to add automatic appeals to the death penalty, that's artificially inflating the cost of the death penalty (which, actually, is just an extension of the justice system, not the death penalty), not the price of the death penalty itself, which costs about 1000 for lethal injection, $2.50 for bullets or free if you got some of his victims in a room with him.

[–]TheMossad -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Until the taxpayers no longer have to pay for the legal fees for attorneys, transportation of criminals, security for witnesses, payment for expert testimony, and death row incarceration, the costs are REAL. As in, REAL people pay REAL money in REALITY.

If you want to make the argument that the system is wasteful and costs are inflated then by all means do so, because that's a strong argument.

[–]bllasaeLibertarian Conservative -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right, and I'd be happy if my tax money went to the 1000 dollars that the death penalty would cost. You can have your tax money go to the judicial process of his unlimited appeals.

[–]lovedeepweb -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

boy, Rolling Stone has their hands in their pockets kicking dirt, don't they.

[–]EZ1991 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (7子コメント)

The death penalty is such a pointless sentence.

[–]KingJak117 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Life in prison. A 100% Muslim free prison. Solitary confinement for 20 hours a day. The other 4 hours unguarded in a room full of the prisons worst convicts.

[–]tjbalpha47Conservative Millennial 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Not really. It's more about safety to the overall population. There are some people who are so dangerous, and so evil that they must be killed, for the safety of others.

[–]TheReaver88 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

We execute way more people than that in this country.

[–]InfiniteHatred -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

How? If they're in solitary confinement for 23 hours a day, and they're under close watch by armed guards for the remaining hour, they pose no immediate threat to the overall population. I can't think of a single person so dangerous that, even while under these conditions, he'd have to be executed to protect the public.

[–]benpletcher -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Agreed. Life in supermax without parole is a much harsher punishment. Plus, this could make him a martyr.

[–]TeaPartyOverlordSupporter 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not really. Martyrs go to death willingly, by definition. This guy fought in court, and will likely continue to fight with appeals. That's no martyr.

[–]rf32797Libertarian Conservative 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You think the people who are spreading this propaganda that he is a martyr are going to care over some minor details like that?

[–]sucka_puncha 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well...

Bye.

[–]ThruHiker 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Charles Manson got marriage proposals from crazy women. What kind of spawn of Satan would this guy be propagating if he got life? This genetic line needs to end now.

[–]SeattleMack32 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bye, Felecia

[–]Arizona-Bay -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Normally I'd be all in favor of this but given who he is and what he stands for and believes in, I don't think I like this decision.

[–]seweroutlet -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just look at what "life without parole" really means in massachusetts (warning sick things described happening to a kid, one of the "lifers" is now up for parole):

http://www.wcvb.com/news/convicted-child-rapist-killer-granted-parole-hearing/32607158