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A controversial bill that abolishes "personal belief exemptions" for vaccinations won overwhelming approval in the California Senate on Thursday, bolstering supporters' hopes that it will also clear the Assembly and be signed into law. (mercurynews.com)

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[–]SanityNotFound -11 ポイント-10 ポイント  (26子コメント)

This is great and all, but I don't like it. I have a right to choose what I do to my own body. I have a right to dictate my own medical care. Mandating medical care in any way is a violation of a natural right, not just a government allowed right.

And before I get the replies saying "your putting everyone around you in danger by not getting vaccinated" or the like: I don't care. I really don't. Maybe I'm jaded or cold hearted, but it's really not my problem. Refusing a vaccine should be the same as refusing necessary heart surgery. Yeah, it's not in my best interest, and it could potentially be the end of me, but it's still my choice.

Edit: I think I came off the wrong way here. As I stated further down the thread, I'm defending informed consent and the right to make our own medical decisions, not saying that I, personally, am for or against vaccinations.

[–]Shuko 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Well guess what? there are two sides to every coin. You may not care about the health of the rest of us, but we care about it, and we outnumber you. If you don't like the idea of following the rules of society, you have no one but yourself to blame if you don't like the consequences that follow. In this country, no one is going to force you to be vaccinated. By the same token, however, no one is likewise going to protect you from public ridicule and scorn for being an asshole. You're not legally protected from people hating your life choices, you know. The government isn't going to protect your feels, any more than they're going to shove a needle in your arm against your will.

[–]SanityNotFound -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (7子コメント)

I never claimed to care what people thought of me for it. I don't need legal protection of my feelings.

[–]Shuko 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Then why are you complaining? This bill doesn't mandate vaccinations on anyone; the only negative you're going to face if you don't get your kids vaccinated is that the other people in your community are going to think you're an abusive monster. You'll face no legal repercussions. Of course, you'll be unable to enroll your kid in public school, but that's not a punishment, and it's not an infringement of your rights, either.

[–]Ksawyers 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you can't afford to homeschool than you will have to vaccinate or face the legal repercussions of not sending your children to school. While the government is not directly mandating these vaccinations they are de facto mandating them to people who can't afford to homeschool.

[–]MatureButNaive 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

And we won't protect your right to school. Your rights end where ours begin.

[–]go1dfish -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

School is not a right.

In the US grade school education is a mandate.

[–]MatureButNaive 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Education is mandated through 16, if you're too dumb to vaccinate your kids you can teach them yourself. If you can't do that the kid will be taken somewhere they're safe and educated. The only people who lose on this are the ones that don't want to keep their kids safe. Kids of antivaxxers and those in public schools win. Your kid's right to safety matters more than your right to them.

[–]go1dfish -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I am not an antivaxxer, I think they are misinformed.

But it's inaccurate to say:

The only people who lose on this are the ones that don't want to keep their kids safe.

The antivaxxers want to keep their kids safe as well, they just disagree with you over how to best achieve that.

[–]MatureButNaive 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If I disagree with the government on the idea that beating my kids isn't a legitimate parenting technique, should I be able to keep my kids?

[–]Possibly_a_Firetruck 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you refuse heart surgery, you aren't putting everyone else at risk of the spread of preventable, communicable disease though.

[–]kevin_at_work 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (12子コメント)

The government has no right telling me I have to correct my vision in order to drive on public roads. I have a right to choose what I do to my own body.

And before I get replies saying "your putting everyone around you in danger by not wearing glasses" or the like: I don't care. I really don't. Maybe I'm delusional, but I am more important than anybody and everybody else.

[–]Possibly_a_Firetruck 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yes, they absolutely do have the right to tell you that you have to wear glasses/contacts to drive on public roads. Should the government issue driver's licenses to blind people? Fuck no, that's complete idiocy. I wear contacts, so my license says RESTRICTIONS: A-Corrective Lenses meaning that I am required to wear my contacts or glasses when I'm driving. If I don't, I'm not following the terms I agreed to when my license was issued.

[–]kevin_at_work 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Notice how similar my comment's language is to the parent. I didn't think a /s was necessary, but I guess I was wrong.

[–]SlimLovin 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

"/s" is never, ever necessary.

I picked up what you were laying down, Kevin. It's their loss if they don't. Never compromise your sarcasm for someone else's inability to recognize it.

[–]blackmonday75 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Your argument is inane. Let's rephrase your argument.

The government has no right telling me I have not shoot my AR-15 at random places in space where people might be standing. I have a right to choose what I do to my own body.

And before I get replies saying "your putting everyone around you in danger by shooting your gun in wanton abandon" or the like: I don't care. I really don't. Maybe I'm delusional, but I am more important than anybody and everybody else.

Translation, you're a certified idiot.

[–]stiffsquirrel 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Every child should have the right to be vaccinated against deadly diseases.

Since you are likely not a school aged child, nothing in this should even matter to you.

[–]adventerous_aardvark 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is great and all, but I don't like it. I have a right to choose what I do to my own body. I have a right to dictate my own medical care. Mandating medical care in any way is a violation of a natural right, not just a government allowed right.

How does this bill change any of that? Hint: it doesn't.

[–]blackmonday75 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You are right, just stay out of my rights like a safe PUBLIC school. You can have YOUR rights in YOUR home. It's pretty simple. What if I told you I had a personal belief that I should defecate wherever I wanted. Could I do so on your door? At your child's desk at PUBLIC school? On the slide at a public park? All of the anti-vaccine persons' argument is sound in YOUR own private space but not in my space. If that's too extreme, let's say we import an active Ebola patient into your private home and see if that's ok. It's their personal belief to live with Ebola. Deal with it. I don't care.