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reddit admins announce new plans to curb harassment towards individuals. The reactions are mixed. (self.SubredditDrama)

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...we are changing our practices to prohibit attacks and harassment of individuals through reddit with the goal of preventing them. We define harassment as:

Systematic and/or continued actions to torment or demean someone in a way that would make a reasonable person (1) conclude that reddit is not a safe platform to express their ideas or participate in the conversation, or (2) fear for their safety or the safety of those around them.

Some dramatic subthreads:

1) Drama over whether or not the banning of /r/jailbait led us down a slippery slope.

2) Drama over whether or not this policy is 'thinly veiled SJW bullshit.'

3) Is SRS a harassment sub?

4) How will it be enforced? Is this just a PR move? Is it just to increase revenue?

5) Does /r/fatpeoplehate brigade? Mods of FPH show up to duke it out with other users.

Misc "dramatic happening" subthreads:

1) Users claim people are being shadow-banned for criticizing Ellen Pao.

2) Admin kn0thing responds to a question regarding shadowbans.

3) Totesmessenger has a meta-linking orgy.

4) Claims are made that FPH brigaded a suicidal person's post that led to them taking their life.

Will update thread as more drama happens.

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[–]observer_december 119 ポイント120 ポイント  (20子コメント)

No conspiracy theories will come out of this, I'm sure. /r/subredditcancer isn't about to go into overdrive, predicting the end times of reddit and trying to 'recruit' people, no-siree.

[–]MimesAreShiteTITRC IS LITERALLY DRACO 89 ポイント90 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Maybe they'll all disappear to Voat. I mean, we can hope.

[–]TarragonSpiceCaptain of the Suey Park Debate Team 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Voat has just as much es jay dubah sensorship as reddit, they removed memes from v/megamemecast

[–]ewbrower 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe they will make voat usable

[–]JackalTroy 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

But they'll take all the popcorn with them

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    [–]battlelock 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (9子コメント)

    What even is that subreddit. I've been here for awhile and never seen it linked to drama but they have a thing that says 0 days since they where brigaded by SRD

    [–]observer_december 84 ポイント85 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    You know how in this sub we joke about us being a cabal of SJWs trying to take over reddit? They're who the joke came from. They think that's true.

    [–]battlelock 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Holy shit that's amazing.

    [–]RoboticParadoxGen. Top Lellington, OBE 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    they're the most consistent generator of popcorn in the past three months outside of only FPH. quite an achievement really.

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      [–]boom_shoesLikes his men like he likes his women; androgynous. 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      to add to what /u/observer_december said, it all started with a user, who I believe was a GGer. He prepared an entire subreddit, as well as 10 different alt mods and a veeeerrry long manifesto. There was rumors it was notoriously shadowbanned user /u/kamensghost.

      In an askreddit thread he unleashed his copypasta/manifesto about how SJWs were infecting the entire site, free speech was under attack and there was a literal 'feminist cabal' running the site, undermining mods and shadowbanning users on a whim.

      Edited to add, the original subreddit (with all of the alts) was 'metaredditcancer', which has since been banned. You can read more about it here.

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        [–]touchcomaLong Horse 199 ポイント200 ポイント  (80子コメント)

        Why are people expressing fear of reddit becoming tumbr? Its mostly porn, fan pages and vaporwave memes.

        [–]MimesAreShiteTITRC IS LITERALLY DRACO 194 ポイント195 ポイント  (24子コメント)

        A lot of people's view of tumblr is pretty much entirely constructed from what they've seen on TiA.

        Personally, the weirdest thing I've seen on Tumblr was some sort of MLP/white supremacy crossover blog. The best thing remains Worst Cats.

        [–]EmergencyChocolatehas a floral hem 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (10子コメント)

        I still adore the late lamented Someone Ate This, it hits me right in the funnybone every time and makes me cry laughing (it's the tags that usually do it)

        [–]touchcomaLong Horse 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Do you want to make your viewing experience of this photograph a whole lot sadder? Imagine a lady singing “Walking on Sunshine” to herself while she prepares this meal. :(

        Comedy gold. Thank you for introducing me to this!

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          [–]pandas795likes her popcorn buttery 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Who knew Hippos would make cute cats 😆

          [–]Outlulz 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          My Tumblr feed went from being mostly pictures from Sailor Moon to being mostly pictures of the Pepe meme and french fries. I don't know how this came to be.

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            [–]WilWheatonsScrote 60 ポイント61 ポイント  (10子コメント)

            Most of the time I see tumblr mentioned on this site it's utterly clear that the poster doesn't even know what it is.

            [–]RestoreFear 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (9子コメント)

            I feel bad for the people missing out on all the porn on Tumblr because they're afraid of "SJWs"

            [–]Fuck_Yo_Couch7Chairman of Black Jewminati LLC 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (4子コメント)

            And boy are they missing out. Such..specific porn. Although reddit does have a good amount too but its like I always say, diversify your portfolio and your porn

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              [–]bobthegravy 71 ポイント72 ポイント  (4子コメント)

              Because their only experience with Tumblr is what gets filtered through Reddit, either through subs like TumblrinAction, or just general memes and stereotypes spouted in Reddit comment sections.

              In my experience with Tumblr, it's 100% fetish porn, but I don't assume it's all, or even mostly like that, because I'm not an idiot.

              [–]cvillemade 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Same with feminism.

              [–]pressbutton 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Exactly! It's crazy how much people buy into whatever they're told on reddit. I actually made the same point you did a few hours ago. I expected the guy who posted "They're everyone's rivals" to be a big /r/tumblrinaction commentor but a quick scan on metareddit proved otherwise. Just a regular reddit guy. Goes to show the tunnel vision that goes on here.

              I guess it's the same attitude that you see about Twitter, "It's boring I don't get it". Then you don't follow things/people that interest you. What else is there to say.

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                [–]vvynhttp://i.imgur.com/XzjA4xw.gif 63 ポイント64 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                It's how they see the site vs what it actually is.

                I don't know if people know this but Tumblr issued a transparency report years before reddit did. It also bans blogs that promote self-harm and bullying. Tumblr has the heart and good intentions reddit wants to have but doesn't want to do the actual work.

                And while not all of reddit is bad, it has bred a toxic community over the years. They'll have to do something drastic to change things and not something they can PR their way out of.

                [–]fathovercatskangaroo are birds k 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                Specifically, Tumblr goes after pro-Ana (anorexia/buliemia priming) blogs. While there are some folks (mostly anorexics in "recovery" who are spreading their toxic bs to younger girls who actually want help) who don't like they did that I remember before and.... It was bad. I would see so much shit of bone skinny dying girls.

                [–]GGglassEveryone else took my 'walking the mods' flair 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                I have a friend who is an actual ana in recovery who still gets hounded by these people through messages. She reports those who come up, but it's still real damaging when it happens. Kids are getting sneaker and sneakier.

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                    [–]bfjkasdsALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOSJW 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    According to reddit, the average "Tumblrina" posts everything with tags like "kill all men" and "die cis scum," gets into arguments because someone referred to her with the wrong pronoun ("it's wow, not such, you doge-kin-hating cis scum"), and suffers PTSD symptoms at the literal drop of a hat ("people dropping hats is my trigger")

                    In reality, the average Tumblr user will reblog a bunch of feminist quotes, porn, and cute animals. Oh, and stuff they want to buy. And maybe they'll ask someone politely to tag a gory image or an article discussing rape.

                    At least, that's my experience. I don't really use Tumblr anymore.

                    [–]magic_is_mightUnverified Fattie 84 ポイント85 ポイント  (26子コメント)

                    I'll copy and paste a reply I made months ago on the subject.

                    From my personal experience from over 3 years on Reddit and 4+ on Tumblr, Reddit is extremely hateful and toxic vs what I have ever seen on Tumblr. And this is with me unsubbing all the subs I want nothing to do with.

                    If I compare my individualized Reddit frontpage to my Tumblr dashboard, Reddit is by far the worst. Which is why I don't get the attitude that Tumblr is toxic and full of hateful hypocritical sjws. Yeah, Reddit is 100x worse than any shit I've seen on Tumblr.

                    I follow mostly TV show/book/movie/etc related blogs on Tumblr. Dozens and dozens of blogs. Maybe a handful of posts over the past 3 years are the only things I've seen that could maybe and very mildly pass for TIA material, if you squint hard enough at it.

                    People who whine about Tumblr being full of these hateful feminazi sjws with multiple pronouns or whatever are following shitty blogs that they chose to follow.

                    *skellies>sjws

                    [–]PrinceOWaleswhy isn't there a white history month? 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                    For as much as they talk about the crazy side of Tumblr, it's much easier to avoid the crazy shit on tumblr than Reddit. I can sub to all the blogs/pages/whatever they call it on tumblr and almost never see racist/sexist etc stuff. I can't say the same for Reddit.

                    [–]elephantinegracereddtwitfacetubelrjournal addict 53 ポイント54 ポイント  (13子コメント)

                    Haha, seriously, Reddit was the website that made me sign up for Tumblr, because surely, if I hated Reddit so much and Reddit hated Tumblr, then surely I would love it. And then it turned out to be almost entirely porn and cats, much like the rest of the internet.

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                        [–]jfa1985who? 276 ポイント277 ポイント  (96子コメント)

                        If you seriously want to discuss the removal/banning of subreddits probably best not to use ones that toe the moral/legal lines such as /r/jailbait and /r/thefappening it makes you seem to be of a certain type.

                        [–]Imwe 196 ポイント197 ポイント  (94子コメント)

                        It started with /r/jailbait... but I wasn't a ephebophile so I didn't speak up. (I think the word you're looking for is "pedophile" but that is a common mistake) Then they came for /r/thefappening, but I didn't speak up because I wasn't into fuzzy pictures of people I don't know. (You mean you aren't the type of person who masturbates to images that were stolen from people and which were meant to stay private. Good for you I guess) Then they came for /r/gamergate, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a gamer.

                        They came for /r/GamerGate? When and why wasn't I informed? More importantly, why wasn't KotakuInAction told? Oh wait, I get it. He is angry that /r/GamerGate was claimed by people from /r/GamerGhazi. Unless that is against the rules, and I can't see how it could possibly be that way, it would seem that he is wrong. He is wrong to defend /r/jailbait, /r/thefappening, and /r/GamerGate. Three strikes means you're out, and the only way to save your honour when that happens is to delete your account.

                        [–]King_DeadYour friendly neighborhood tumor dealer 58 ポイント59 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        Fuck, I'd love to see this argument trotted out at like a bar or a mall or some other place. "FIRST THEY CAME FOR THE GUYS WEARING ONLY TRENCHCOATS JACKING OFF, BUT I DIDN'T SPEAK UP, BECAUSE I-hey where are you taking me? Am I being detained? AM I BEING DETAINED?!"

                        [–]NowThatsAwkward 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Literally any enforcement of any codes of conduct, standards, or even laws is the first step on a slippery, frozen peach tree branch to nazism- which btw is also why people who are against literal nazis are intolerant SJWs.

                        I'm gonna put a /s there just in case. This thread might attract some real poe-tagonists.

                        [–]jsmooth7Billionaires' Rights Activist 208 ポイント209 ポイント  (59子コメント)

                        I still can't believe that comment was not a joke. The fact that it was written with serious intent is hilarious.

                        [–]curiiouscat 54 ポイント55 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        I genuinely thought this was a joke at first which is why it was so highly upvoted, but after reading the trailing discussion comments I soon learned my lesson...

                        [–]jsmooth7Billionaires' Rights Activist 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        I honestly thought he was joking at first too. It was just so over-the-top. Basically my reaction was something like this.

                        [–]TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERKCaballero Blanco 209 ポイント210 ポイント  (51子コメント)

                        What I've realized is that this is a meta-conversation about the concept of the Internet.

                        The people writing this kinda stuff believe that openness and freedom are inherently good, regardless of the outcome. To frame it another way, it's like the legal framework of disparate intent and disparate impact.

                        For example, a lot of the folks involved with gamergate don't have the intent for anyone to be driven from their homes because of harassment. Because that wasn't what they wanted to happen, they can dismiss it as trolls being trolls. Unfortunately, the impact of constantly talking about The Literally People is much different from the intent.

                        Same thing with, for example, casual use of the word "nigga". You may not intend for black redditors to read it and be like "uh, what? Really?" but that's what happens.

                        [–]jiandersonzer0 99 ポイント100 ポイント  (14子コメント)

                        More to the point, many are unable to discern that actions have consequences. That's all there is to it.

                        [–]gutseeProud founding member of the Grammar Jewry 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        But actions on the Internet aren't real actions, everyone knows that.

                        [–]MaxRune 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        I think the internet has a way of shutting down if it's a legitimate action

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                          [–]xX_Qu1ck5c0p3s_Xxwiener 97 ポイント98 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                          There's this weird misconception among a lot of people that the internet somehow doesn't count as real life, that actions don't have the same consequences. I can only guess that not being able to literally see someone through a computer screen lets fuckwits like /r/fatpeoplehate bully as much as they want without feeling guilty.

                          [–]nononsenseresponse 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                          Makes me think of this controversial art experiment

                          Ignoring the ethics of killing a rat for art, the idea that people would very likely shoot simply because the subject is not in their face is a scary one.

                          [–]oneonetwooneonetwo 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          My very first reaction is if you rigged up a button that would shoot a rat if someone on your website pressed it is you'd run out of rats.

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                            [–]socsa 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            I think there's the misconception that reddit is literally the US government, and has a constitutional obligation to protect all forms of speech above its own community standards.

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                                [–]asiik 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                It kills me people like that are the most vocal proponents of free speech. I don't care what reddit does to restrict it but in a wider sense I do find it a bit, I dunno, concerning what attitudes some people on here express but can never bring myself to say anything.

                                [–]threehundredthousand 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                Melodramatic Braveheart speeches are kind of KiA's specialty. Supposedly, they will be teaching a class on it at MRA University (no females, please).

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                                  [–]MimesAreShiteTITRC IS LITERALLY DRACO 119 ポイント120 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                  It also seems a tad distasteful to take a poem written about the Holocaust and adapt it to mourn the loss of borderline-illegal subforums. I mean I know that poem's been adapted to death already, but still.

                                  [–]AmesCG༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ ( ╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ 59 ポイント60 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                  Re: the "jailbait wasn't about pedophilia" thing -- I actually once read a brief where a lawyer argued that the kiddie porn found in his client's possession wasn't that bad because it was mostly of 12 year olds. I laughed for a while, until I realized that someone had thought that was a good enough argument to put in a brief. Then I got sad.

                                  [–]ControlRushIt's about ethics in black/feminist/gypsy/native culture. 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                  That's what a lawyer says when he knows his client is fucked.

                                  [–]potatolicious 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  Can you imagine that meeting?

                                  "Seriously? That's the defense you want to go with?"

                                  "Yeah man, I think it's got a shot, just write it down."

                                  "... I... What... I... Fine, I'm writing it down."

                                  [–]oneonetwooneonetwo 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  It's the "it could be worse" plea in mitigation.

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                                    [–]Bilgistic 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    I'm glad he has his priorities straight. Clearly fighting for the right to spread pictures of underage girls for people to masturbate to is a worthy cause.

                                    [–]RockyRaccoon5000 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                    Wow I'm really out of the loop. When did /r/gamergate get taken over?

                                    [–]Imwe 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                    Somebody from GamerGhazi grabbed the name before anyone pro-GamerGate could do so. It's not that difficult if you know that people love to put -Gate behind things, and that the people involved are Gamers. It's the reason why the pro-GamerGate sub is called KotakuInAction, which was probably inspired by TumblrInAction. Unless there is an older -InAction that I'm unaware of.

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                                        [–]Zeeker12 198 ポイント199 ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                        "cool"

                                        -- Every person who doesn't use reddit to harass other people.

                                        [–]SEXUAL_ACT_IN_CAPSDownvote just because you don't like it 124 ポイント125 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                        I love these announcements and blog posts for that reason.

                                        • Remember the human.

                                        Go fuck yourselves.

                                        • We're going to be more transparent.

                                        Go fuck yourselves.

                                        • We're going to crackdown on harassment.

                                        Go fuck yourselves.

                                        Every post that is meant to make reddit better is met with insanely bitter opposition. It should really say something about the people that don't want these things.

                                        [–]FireReadyAim 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        The (legitimate, I think) concern brought up by many is that the blog post does nothing to convey what will be against the rules and what won't.

                                        Literally a day after reddit posts saying they're going to be more transparent, they post a "rule" with no actual guidelines to follow.

                                        [–]AirPhforce 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                        [/r/subredditcancer] Admin /u/kn0thing admits that for the last 10 years, they've been treating users like potential spammers and been punishing them with a nasty shadowban.

                                        oh man

                                        [–]elephantinegracereddtwitfacetubelrjournal addict 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        SRC is one of the only subs that accurately represents itself; they are the subreddit cancer.

                                        [–]AirPhforce 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        I'll stick with my feminist cabal, thanks.

                                        [–]pressbutton 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        That's some Fox style twisting!

                                        [–]krabbbyHere's the thing. You said a "jackdaw is a crow." 409 ポイント410 ポイント  (151子コメント)

                                        Why? Why is it that the best that the anti-censorship people can do to justify their motives is a place that sexualized underage girls, and a place that violated peoples privacy. There are plenty of hills to die on, some big, some small. They choose to die fighting on CP Hill.

                                        And with these people getting more and more intention, more idiots just keep on finding these places who weren't even around for these things. It's not even fun anymore. I feel sorry for them.

                                        [–]dirtyrogue 208 ポイント209 ポイント  (51子コメント)

                                        Many of them came for the jailbait and leaked celebrity nudes. Despite Reddit's "free speech is all good until CNN does a story on us" policy, the shit they've attracted with the laissez-faire approach has significantly worsened Reddit. I realize it's blasphemy to say that on Reddit and I'll get labelled as a SJW, but with a centralized website like Reddit community moderation is critical. And letting skeevy subforums be some of their biggest draws is attracting the sort of people who don't go outside and often don't know how to interact. The vast majority (over 80%) of Reddit's users don't even have accounts, they come for the defaults or specific forums and then move on. Those are the people that would be paying the bills if Reddit could fill their ad space(and subsequently turn an actual profit). I know many people who come for something specific, get a whiff of the racism/sexism/general shittiness and curtail their browsing here because that's just not something they want to deal with. So the lowest common denominator will be the ones who dictate the community. Just look at some of the not so subtle sexism/racism that regularly hits TIL.

                                        As soon as a company can come along with a product similar to Reddit that doesn't crash all the time and has management team that understands both how to run a business and actually manage a community many of Reddit's users will flee in droves, which in turn will cause even more people to leave.

                                        [–]immijimmi 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                        At this point being called a SJW means nothing, because most of the idiots who call people that are doing it simply because the person disagrees with them.

                                        [–]observer_december 63 ポイント64 ポイント  (32子コメント)

                                        I'm not sure if companies would want to advertise on reddit, even if they cleaned house and did moderation, just due to the bad rap its gotten for skeevy shit in the past.

                                        [–]dirtyrogue 85 ポイント86 ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                        Yeah, that's true and something I meant to say. Yishan previously has stated that Reddit's dubious reputation had no impact on its ad sales (I think this was after the leaked nudes?) but then again he also hired a guy to rewrite bitcoin in javascript and proposed Reddit as a new form of government, so...

                                        At least they'll always have the MyFreeCams ads in the porno subs.

                                        [–]LegendReborn 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                        I kind of wish we didn't rag on redditcoin or whatever it was called, it would have been so hilarious watching it crash and burn.

                                        [–]deathleaperCertified Top Mind 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                        Reddit Notes? I don't think it would have even picked up enough speed to satisfactorily crash, just because nobody, not even its creators, seemed to have any clue what the fuck it was.

                                        [–]Gunblazer42 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                        ...Notes as money notes? Fuck, all this time I thought that Reddit Notes was supposed to be, like, a Notepad or something, just on Reddit. Like written notes instead of actual money notes.

                                        Now I feel dumb.

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                                          [–]frezik 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          I talked to some of the devs from DuckDuckGo a while back at a programming conference. They said that they got basically nothing from Reddit ads. The users here just ignore them, so click rates are abysmal. They did get tons from going viral on Reddit, but how does Reddit make money off that?

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                                            [–]estolad 76 ポイント77 ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                            It's not even the skeevy shit that's hurting them the most I don't think. It definitely doesn't help that they allowed shit like creepshots and the fappening to exist until they legally couldn't anymore, but this is a company run by dudes who think it's a good idea to get in a public slapfight with a former employee, who hire dudes to do shit like Reddit Notes, who say that Every Man Is Responsible For His Own Soul in a naked attempt at weaseling out of responsibility for hosting shit they know could get them sued

                                            They are objectively bad at running a business, and I think that's going a long way towards scaring legitimate advertisers away. The fact that they sat by and watched while their site was thoroughly taken over by literal Nazis is another checkmark in the they-don't-know-what-they're-doing column

                                            As soon as someone comes up with a competing platform that doesn't have the same problems with Stormfront transplants having sole control over the tone of the entire site, reddit is done

                                            [–]observer_december 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                            As soon as someone comes up with a competing platform that doesn't have the same problems with Stormfront transplants having sole control over the tone of the entire site, reddit is done

                                            Don't be so sure. People don't really want to loose what they've set up here. As far as competitors go, Voat exists, but it's actually less moderated, and only used by the shut heels good mods would keep out. I guess that isn't exactly up to our standards, of course.

                                            [–]TNBKThis flair brought to you by the JIDF 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                            See, what really a person needs is anti-Voat. Like reddit, but with more moderation. Admins that give a shit. Mods with spines. It could be beautiful comrade.

                                            [–]NowThatsAwkward 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                            It's pretty easy for mods to get burned out though, and that's on relatively small subs. It is damaging to the psyche to even read crap day in and day out, it would be (and has been) so much worse for mods of subs who get flooded with CP and gore on occasion.

                                            I am not sure how a mod team would have to be set up to be able to handle the massive swarm of people coming in and avoid burnout. There's a reason subs seem to go to pot once they're defaulted.

                                            That's probably why some forums make you pay a nominal fee, it keeps out some of the riffraff- but then you lose on some of that ad money. Unless you made it pay to post and free to read, possibly?

                                            [–]smooshie 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                            Add paid mods to your description (to counter burnout) and you've come up with something like MetaFilter, which works great for its size. It doesn't have a Nazi/TRP problem, or a 9Gag "lowest common denominator" issue, the comments are 90% helpful and the community has each others back. But the (one-time) fee to post/comment really does hamper its size and "growth potential", something I bet Reddit really does care about.

                                            But without a fee, you're basically allowing the horde in, and then you'd better have a really big pile of money to spend on quality moderators (at least for the large/default subreddits, to maintain a positive welcome for all but jerks) who are willing to put up with abuse, chan floods, raids, active quality moderation, plus the general maintenance that comes with a large active sub.

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                                              [–]I_want_hard_work 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              Every Man Is Responsible For His Own Soul

                                              I guess that women are exempt?

                                              You know, company "core values" and such get a lot of flack in the manufacturing industry. We roll our eyes about them because it's BS most of the time. But after watching Reddit try to deal with negative PR (the Every Man speech) and launch their "core values" I have way more respect for the people who create stuff like "synergy" and "S.M.A.R.T goals". It is apparently possible to fuck it up A LOT more than I thought.

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                                                  [–]I_want_hard_work 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                  racism/sexism/general shittiness

                                                  I'm a straight white male and it drives me crazy. How anyone outside of that category can stay on here is beyond me.

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                                                    [–]KaliYugazRevere the Admins, expel the barbarians! 313 ポイント314 ポイント  (34子コメント)

                                                    It's because they're not "anti-censorship people". There's no such thing. Just look at their favorite subs like TRP and FPH and you can see how gleefully they ban all dissent when they're in charge. Look at the vicious harassment mobs they run, aiming to intimidate people into silence, when they're not in charge.

                                                    It's all just a hypocritical power play to force their hateful propaganda and shitty right-wing politics on everyone else. Don't trust anything they say otherwise.

                                                    [–]wrc-wolftrolls trolling trolls 194 ポイント195 ポイント  (17子コメント)

                                                    It really reminds me of the Confederate states sometimes. People will go on and on about states rights, but the Confederate government was far more authortarian and centralized than the Union was before, during, or even after the war. States had far less power in the confederate government than they did in the Union - but that's not the point. "States rights" is just dogwhistle code for slavery and racism, just as "anti-censorship" is code for modern day bigoted propaganda.

                                                    [–]davidreiss666The Infamous Entity 137 ポイント138 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                    Yup. The Confederacy believed in States rights so much that their Constitution (mostly a cut and paste job from the original US version) banned states from ever banning slavery in the future. Yeah, they were so in favor of states rights that they needed to limit states rights.

                                                    [–]turtleeatingalderman 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    The Confederacy believed in States rights so much that their Constitution (mostly a cut and paste job from the original US version) banned states from ever banning slavery in the future.

                                                    This point always gets made, but what I've always found more compelling is that the Constitution specified that new territories were to be admitted with slavery. If the issue was states' rights in preference to federal power, then containing slavery and rejoining the Union and working the pass the Corwin Amendment (which stripped the federal government of the authority to interfere in those states' prized 'domestic institutions') would've accomplished that. That and the sectional split of the Democratic party over further disagreements on the issue of slavery in the territories, the Southern wing finding popular sovereignty and Taney's Dred Scott decision disagreeable for actually limiting the scope of federal power. The simple fact is that social and economic interests in the expansion of slavery preceded any generalized political ideology to the point where basically ensuring a Republican's election and starting a war were more attractive alternatives.

                                                    This is all a rather off-topic, but I've don't have any more pressing matters to attend to.

                                                    [–]nichtschleppend 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                    also the Fugitive Slave act.

                                                    [–]meepmorp 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    This. What makes the "states rights," argument so laughable is the willingness of the southern states to use the machinery of the federal government to continue slavery and force free states to assist them in the endeavor.

                                                    [–]KaliYugazRevere the Admins, expel the barbarians! 83 ポイント84 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                    Exactly, it's just the projection of their own mindset onto their enemy.

                                                    The reality is that they view this as a cyber-turf war against the "SJW" political left, with the end goal of chasing everyone who disagrees with them off the site, and they see free speech policies of Reddit as simply a weapon to exploit in that war whenever convenient for them, not a moral principle worth upholding for its own sake.

                                                    [–]ALoudMouthBabyUnban David-me(so he can be banned again)! 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    Not to mention the whole Fugitive Slave Act thing, where the southern states trampled all over the rights of northern states.

                                                    All too often people hiding their bad behavior behind shouts of "states rights!", "free speech!" and other claims to be exercising their rights have no actual interest in the rights of others. They just want to use claims that they are exercising their rights in an attempt to shut down criticism of their behavior.

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                                                      [–]Matthew94 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                      That's right. You gotta accept hate if you want to give it out.

                                                      [–]cattypakes 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      Well fuckin said mate.

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                                                        [–]H37man 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                        It's not that it's the best examples they can give. It is because those are the issues they care about.

                                                        [–]AimToBCalmAndLogical 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                        How can you say I have freedom if I can't even look at stolen photos and illegal CP? I thought this was America.

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                                                          [–]bobjammit 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                          The text of the new rule:

                                                          Systematic and/or continued actions to torment or demean someone in a way that would make a reasonable person (1) conclude that reddit is not a safe platform to express their ideas or participate in the conversation, or (2) fear for their safety or the safety of those around them.

                                                          I think that's poorly worded if they mean to crack down on mockery and insults. It's worded such that I would interpret it as only coming into effect if someone feels physically threatened.

                                                          Yet most people are interpreting it as cracking down on severe mockery and insults, and I also imagine that's what it's going to be used for. They should rephrase it and eliminate the word 'safe' if this is what they mean, or at least add other language to clarify that they mean to prohibit intense mockery and insults.

                                                          [–]giigu 53 ポイント54 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                          I think that's poorly worded

                                                          It's deliberately worded in the most vague way possible so that nobody has to commit to anything. If you look at Twitter, Facebook, Tumblr, and all of the other sites that have had harassment and offensive-content policies forever, you'll see that they are all very specific about what constitutes what under their guidelines. The people making these decisions at reddit are more than intelligent enough to do the same, they simply don't want to. They don't want to be beholden to their existing rules and they won't be beholden to this one.

                                                          Yet most people are interpreting it as cracking down on severe mockery and insults, and I also imagine that's what it's going to be used for.

                                                          Doubt that. Regardless of what "side" of the issue you're on or how you want to interpret the wording, I think we can all predict based on past admin initiatives that there's not going to be any "cracking down". They'll invoke their harassment policy a handful of times to ban things that arbitrarily strike someone's nerve, but that's about it.

                                                          [–]thegirlleastlikelytothis is the dankest timeline 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                          It's deliberately worded in the most vague way possible so that nobody has to commit to anything.

                                                          Absolutely. The new rule was written this way so site admins could ignore it 90% of the time and then apply it when something gets enough bad PR - and then point to the rule and illustrate how great it's working.

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                                                            [–]MimesAreShiteTITRC IS LITERALLY DRACO 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                            People are interpreting it how they wish to interpret it, in an attempt to general maximum levels of outrage within their own minds.

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                                                              [–]kerovonAsk me about my personal reptilian overlords 104 ポイント105 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                              /r/undelete and /r/conspiracy getting banned for harassing users is going to be so much glorious popcorn. I'm looking forward to it.

                                                              [–]kateh01Your friendly local Cabal Company 58 ポイント59 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                              I'm subbed to undelete just to watch the conspiratards run around like headless chickens when the fifth post on the same topic is removed from TIL.

                                                              [–]kerovonAsk me about my personal reptilian overlords 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                              Undelete does appear to be entering Apocalyptic Panic Mode (for the 19th time this week) over this announcement.

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                                                                  [–]MephistopholeesWay, ay, pop an' flow! 267 ポイント268 ポイント  (60子コメント)

                                                                  If getting FPH, redpill, conspiracy, etc banned means this sub goes too, I wouldnt be disappointed. Consider it kamikaze banning policy.

                                                                  [–]treebogprofessional memer + /r/adviceanimals shill 206 ポイント207 ポイント  (47子コメント)

                                                                  Banning those sub's would effectively kill srd anyway. There goes 99% of the content.

                                                                  [–]Mousse_is_Optional 95 ポイント96 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                  You're joking right? Banning those three subreddits would cause more drama than they could ever come up with by themselves.

                                                                  [–]Woif1990 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                  I think they mean srd may get caught in the crossfire

                                                                  [–]throwntothewolves123 148 ポイント149 ポイント  (27子コメント)

                                                                  We'd still have Bitcoin drama, and Bitcoin drama is the best drama.

                                                                  [–]GeorgesDanton 99 ポイント100 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                  This is good for drama.

                                                                  [–]kittypuppetHappy Christmas :D 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                  But is it good for bitcoin??

                                                                  [–]jahannan 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                  It's always good for bitcoin!

                                                                  [–]ANBU_Spectre 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                  You say that as if there's something in the world that isn't good for bitcoin.

                                                                  [–]thegreatRMH 63 ポイント64 ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                                                  and well done steaks!

                                                                  [–]WorseThanHipsterIt's about ethics in fracturing peniles 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                  /r/food uses only the best unsalted butter on their popcorn.

                                                                  *It's actually over-salted, IMHO just the way I like it!

                                                                  [–]CptNasty 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                                  Or grilled cheeses.

                                                                  [–]recruit00 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                  But what about melts?

                                                                  [–]CptNasty 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                  Here's the thing...

                                                                  [–]recruit00 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                  Here's the thing. You said a "melt is a grilled." Is it in the same family? Yes. No one's arguing that. As someone who is a scientist who studies grilled cheese, I am telling you, specifically, in grilling, no one calls melts grilled cheese. If you want to be "specific" like you said, then you shouldn't either. They're not the same thing. If you're saying "grilled cheese family" you're referring to the taxonomic grouping of Meltidae, which includes things from cheesesteaks to hoagies to pizzas. So your reasoning for calling a melt a grilled cheese is because random people "call the melty ones grilled cheese?" Let's get chicken parmesan and hamburgers in there, then, too. Also, calling someone a grain or a bread? It's not one or the other, that's not how taxonomy works. They're both. A melt is a melt and a member of the grilled cheese family. But that's not what you said. You said a melt is a grilled cheese, which is not true unless you're okay with calling all members of the grilled cheese family grilled cheese, which means you'd call hoagies, pizzas, and other melty things grilled cheese, too. Which you said you don't. It's okay to just admit you're wrong, you know?

                                                                  [–]CptNasty 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                  Here's the thing. You said a "melt is a grilled cheese."

                                                                  Is it in the same family? Yes. No one's arguing that.

                                                                  As someone who is a foodie who loves grilled cheeses, I am telling you, specifically, in /r/grilledcheese, no one calls a melt a grilled cheese . If you want to be "specific" like you said, then you shouldn't either. They're not the same thing.

                                                                  If you're saying "grilled cheese family" you're referring to the sandwich grouping of melts, which includes things from tuna melts to patty melts to paninis.

                                                                  So your reasoning for calling a melt a grilled cheese is because random people "call the hot sandwiches with cheese grilled cheeses?" Let's get Cubans and Reubens in there, then, too.

                                                                  Also, calling something a sandwich or a melt? It's not one or the other, that's not how food works. They're both. A grilled cheese is a grilled cheese and a member of the melt family. But that's not what you said. You said a melt is a grilled cheese, which is not true unless you're okay with calling all members of the hot sandwich family grilled cheeses, which means you'd call Reubens, hamburgers, and other hot sandwiches grilled cheeses, too. Which you said you don't.

                                                                  It's okay to just admit you're wrong, you know?

                                                                  [–]WorseThanHipsterIt's about ethics in fracturing peniles 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                  Mmm, this copypasta is al-dente. Is it locally sourced?

                                                                  *al-danké

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                                                                        [–]EggmontLiberty land fun bux 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                        I think the boys over at /r/buttcoin could pick up the slack

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                                                                          [–]transformandriseup 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          At the same time there'd be the potential for so much of the small petty drama shit that people like me really enjoy... but honestly if SRD had to go to purge those really shitty subs I wouldn't gripe about it.

                                                                          [–]thenuge26Shadowban == Harassment 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                          As long as SRD follows a week later, I'm OK with it. I'll be long dead of a butter overdose anyway.

                                                                          [–]MimesAreShiteTITRC IS LITERALLY DRACO 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                          Worth it for the massive popcorn explosion it would cause. Which would rumble on for a long, long time anyway.

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                                                                              [–]Smile_U_On_Killa_CamDeath Grips is not hip-hop 212 ポイント213 ポイント  (27子コメント)

                                                                              This is beyond that and continues the creep from "free speech" to "safe space."

                                                                              Truly a dystopian future

                                                                              [–]IMPLANKINGONAMILLION 169 ポイント170 ポイント  (19子コメント)

                                                                              I walked down the road on my way to the store, Tegan and Sara was playing through the speakers at every corner. After a few blocks I was stopped at a checkpoint "Are you OK?" asked a woman with long brown hair. I said I was, and after being told how nice I looked today I was aloud to leave. As I continued on I looked back to see if anyone less fortunate than me was being lead to forced counseling. A man with a beard was being gently encouraged to one of the transports. "I didn't look at her butt!" he shouted. "It's OK, we're just going to have you do a class and watch a few videos". I shivered, we should have listened to The Redditers.

                                                                              [–]bonjouramigosthe Wayne Newton of SRD 206 ポイント207 ポイント  (18子コメント)

                                                                              We all saw the signs. We all chose to ignore them. When our multi-cultural, multi-ethnic, multi-gendered children look at us with bright, shining, questioning eyes, we will have to tell them that it was not the SJWs to blame. It was us. The engineers, the STEMlords, the neckbeards, the gamers, the white men, the Red Pillers. We could have stood up to the SJW menace. We have IQs of 179, after all!! We could have stood up for freedom and justice and the truth.

                                                                              We didn't.

                                                                              "White male" is now a dirty word. We can't get taxis. People follow us when we shop. I was recently denied a bank loan and wasn't told why. But I know why. It was my skin. My gender. My educational background in applied mathematics. These reasons are why I'm spit on by society. I make only 77% of what my female colleagues make, despite being better trained and more knowledgeable. They call me "honey dick" and if I don't smile? I'm called a jerk and don't get promoted. In popular culture all protagonists are black women. Every single one. And when I say I can't relate to them? People just say "Why not?"

                                                                              Who wants to live like this? Who could?

                                                                              This is the new world order. The SJW order. I'm now forced to date black women, despite being very explicit about preferring white women. My hair is now purple. All men are forced to be circumsized. They made me choose pronouns. Oh god. They made me choose pronouns. And if I even hint that black people are the real racists I am savagely beaten by fat women holding Dworkin books while I scream out for mercy.

                                                                              This is a message from the future. I am a Redditeur from the year 2016. I allowed this to happen. The SJW menace is coming.

                                                                              Don't make the same mistake.

                                                                              [–]Ten_GodzillasSometimes I dress up like a carrot and make carrot noises 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                              Now that's what I call copypasta!

                                                                              [–]EmergencyChocolatehas a floral hem 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                              It's 2050 And Feminism Has Finally Won

                                                                              may god have mercy on us all

                                                                              [–]observer_december 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                              Does this mean we finally get to enslave men and drive our detractors underground?

                                                                              [–]channingman 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                              Wtf? This got published? And I haven't been?

                                                                              I must be a really bad writer.

                                                                              [–]anumatiEssJayDoubleJoo 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                              Not bad enough.

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                                                                                [–]JehovahsHitlist 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                Actual cats fly out of their mouths, along with sexually objectifying remarks.

                                                                                What a time to be alive.

                                                                                [–]Fuck_Yo_Couch7Chairman of Black Jewminati LLC 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                This is what happens when the feminists win. No one has ever even heard of Steely Dan

                                                                                This is where we draw the line. Filthy SJW feminists, we will not do your dirty work. This aggression will not stand

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                                                                                  [–]websterandy42Marxist-Cabalist 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                  “If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—for ever.” - George "I totally agree with the reactionaries" Orwell

                                                                                  [–]sanguine_song 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  You think it's just a joke but KIA, Mens Rights and 13 other subs know the truth

                                                                                  You can't hide it from us for ever. Cultural SJW Cabalist Mrxist....

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                                                                                      [–]WideLightARCANE 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                                      It's just hilarious how all these people act like reddit is a democracy. They simply can't get it through their heads that the actual owners of reddit can do whatever the hell they want with this site.

                                                                                      [–]CGidari 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                      See also Twitter, Facebook, the comment section of any website, literally anything that isn't government-run.

                                                                                      'Free speech' might be the most incorrectly used phrase on the internet.

                                                                                      [–]tomorrowistomato 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                      Aren't they supposed to be libertarians or something? When the whole bakery gay discrimination thing came up it was all "They're the owners and they can decide to sell to whoever they want!"

                                                                                      But when reddit's admins want to change the rules of their own site, they're SJW Nazis who are trying to oppress their "free speech."

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                                                                                        [–]elephantinegracereddtwitfacetubelrjournal addict 79 ポイント80 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        "At first they came for the [shitty subreddit] and I didn't speak up because I wasn't [a complete asshat]."

                                                                                        FTFY Benny-boy

                                                                                        [–]redwhiskeredbubul 83 ポイント84 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                                        Honestly, I think one of the biggest obstacles to any reasonable discussion of all of this is the idea that reddit is some kind of quasi-government or free speech bastion instead of you know, a company with a bottom line.

                                                                                        I doubt that the admins feel a lot of love for FPH but the principal problem there isn't material harm to individuals. It's that it's hurting Reddit's brand image. The problem is that a.) Reddit's brand image is based on hands-off moderation and b.) hands-off moderation may become a lot less popular both for content and social media in the next couple of years. A couple major news sites (The Guardian, The Atlantic Monthly) have completely unreadable troll-infested comments sections. The tendency is for higher-grade sites to have no comment sections. When I look at other social media sites I use (like meetup) the tendency seems to be towards really heavily curated events/'content.' People don't want to go to events organized by randoms because the people you meet there may be psychopaths, and the more things tip towards vetted groups the more non-vetted groups start to seem suspicious. There's a tipping point effect where the only perceived benefit of relative anonymity is to act like an asshole.

                                                                                        I don't think this tendency bodes well for reddit at all.

                                                                                        [–]H37man 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                        The entire idea behind non moderated subs is stupid. Subs need moderation just to keep people on topic of nothing else. /r/technology was going downhill but the last straw was tesla being unable to sell cars directly to consumers. It is definitely an issue /r/technology could deal with but it ended up being brought up in every post. And that just sucked.

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                                                                                          [–]Xuidj1105 205 ポイント206 ポイント  (69子コメント)

                                                                                          I don't like personal attacks either - but this appears to be your grounds to ban subs like /r/fatpeoplehate and /r/fatlogic or /r/CandidFashionPolice.

                                                                                          Oh noes! What a shame!

                                                                                          [–]bamgrinus8===D 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                          I'm kind of surprised they haven't banned /r/CandidFashionPolice already. It's not a secret that it's just /r/creepshots reborn.

                                                                                          [–]TheGreatWolfRuss 91 ポイント92 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                          How can reddit live with itself now that it will start removing needless bullying/harassment ? Truly a sad day for us all.

                                                                                          [–]Brofia_Mofia 118 ポイント119 ポイント  (55子コメント)

                                                                                          Hopefully, this gives the admins an excuse to ban FPH. The linked pics should fall under harassment. The sub has to be the biggest hate sub on reddit, it has to be embarrassing for them.

                                                                                          Just think of the drama if that happened...

                                                                                          [–]potatolicious 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                          It does give them a reason to ban FPH, but it won't happen. Notice that this announcement was very narrowly written to only cover harassment of individuals, not groups, and only if the individual being harassed complains directly to the admins.

                                                                                          I'm getting the feeling they don't want to ban entire subreddits - Alexis Ohanian seems still married to the idea that subreddits, no matter the topic, are worth preserving at all costs. I'm guessing the policy for entire subreddits will be the same as before: okay as long as it's not on CNN.

                                                                                          So FPH will probably get some heat, some specific users will be banned if the victims of their harassment actually complain to the admins - a lot of their targets aren't even on Reddit, or won't notice they're on FPH, or won't complain even if they notice, so for the most part it's still business as usual for them. I doubt anything meaningful will be done to them as a whole.

                                                                                          [–]bamgrinus8===D 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                          Yes, but they could ban specific posters for violating the policy. I would think grabbing pictures of other users and reposting them elsewhere for the purposes of mocking would violate this policy. In fact I would very much support them making that explicitly against the rules.

                                                                                          [–]potatolicious 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                          I would too, but this announcement doesn't make it against the rules - as it is it's only against policy if you're attacking an individual and that individual complains to Reddit.

                                                                                          Even if a picture is obviously stolen and even if it is obvious that the person is being attacked, as long as the victim doesn't show up it doesn't look like it's explicitly against the rules.

                                                                                          They will probably hand out bans for crossposting other redditors' pics to FPH, but it's doubtful they will do the same for, say, photos stolen from Facebook or Twitter.

                                                                                          Hell, RealGirls is basically a sub dedicated to posting stolen pics and it's still around.

                                                                                          [–]KarmaAndLies 73 ポイント74 ポイント  (40子コメント)

                                                                                          Yeah, FPH clearly falls into this category when they started taking pictures from other subs (e.g. weight loss subs, fashion subs, aww, basically anything where anyone posts a picture of themselves online) and uses that to bully, harass, and abuse those individuals. Heck they're even posting pictures of people's facebook pages with the name blanked out just to harass them.

                                                                                          They were bound to get banned eventually. Regardless of your opinion on the topic (obesity acceptance or w/e), they were clearly as close as you can get to violating Reddit's rules without actually stepping over that line. Now they're clearly over that line.

                                                                                          The "fat logic" sub MIGHT be able to survive if they tread extremely carefully, but FPH? No way in heck.

                                                                                          [–]WilWheatonsScrote 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                          Yeah, FPH clearly falls into this category when they started taking pictures from other subs (e.g. weight loss subs, fashion subs, aww, basically anything where anyone posts a picture of themselves online) and uses that to bully, harass, and abuse those individuals.

                                                                                          Wow, that is fucking terrible

                                                                                          [–]OIP 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                          first time i came across FPH was in r/all, just a photo some asshole took of his co-worker. no content, simply 'look how overweight my co-worker is' with a photo of some random guy sitting at his desk. bunch of comments hating on this complete stranger. 'free speech'.

                                                                                          [–]Brofia_Mofia 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                          Definitely. It seems they want to attract a more mature, less chan like user base. Any normal well adjusted adult not familiar with reddit would probably cringe seeing FPH pop up on the front page and definitely leave the site if they checked the comments.

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                                                                                                [–]CGidari 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                                                As a good general rule of thumb, avoid/ ignore people who use the term 'SJW' non-ironically

                                                                                                [–]scudurinoJudge Mental 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                                Does /r/fatpeoplehate brigade?

                                                                                                Does a fat bear shit in the woods?

                                                                                                [–]ImANewRedditor 85 ポイント86 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                                                Huh. I didn't realize banning fph could be a bad thing.

                                                                                                [–]FCDRandy 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                But look how concerned I am about the health of all these people I hate!

                                                                                                [–]Palm-WineDrinkard 85 ポイント86 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                                                Cyber-bullying is only bad if it's against straight white males who aren't overweight, or when you call out racists, sexists, and paedophiles.

                                                                                                [–]mizmooseHated At Every Size 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                                To be fair, I reported the asshats who sent me PMs to go kill myself and they were all shadowbanned.

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                                                                                                    [–]sortaDominican 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                    It started with /r/jailbait... but I wasn't a ephebophile so I didn't speak up. Then they came for /r/thefappening, but I didn't speak up because I wasn't into fuzzy pictures of people I don't know. Then they came for /r/gamergate, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a gamer.

                                                                                                    So did this guy just equate not being able to distribute child porn and stolen photos to being persecuted by the Nazis for religious differences? Because he's clearly mimicking the Neimoller poem.

                                                                                                    Ok, obvious melodrama aside, can we just come up with a less lazy comparison than Nazis?

                                                                                                    Inb4 being very specific about the difference between ephebophile and whatever is the other brand of child abuse because reddit.

                                                                                                    [–]beliefinphilosophy 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                                    Guess it's back to 4chan for the rest of you

                                                                                                    [–]desantoos"Duct Tape" NOT "Duck Tape" 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                                    But 4chan also changed their policies to be more stringent on harassing women.

                                                                                                    Now those 4channers will have to leave Reddit and migrate elsewhere. Think of the dank memes we're losing.

                                                                                                    [–]ProjectAmmeh 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                    I'm looking forward to all these people moving to Voat to escape censorship. Reddit actually becomes a pretty decent place, and Voat becomes the next shithole filled with hate.

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                                                                                                      [–]evilvile 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                      These people bravely and boldly trying to find out about shadow banning as if it matters in any way shape or form.

                                                                                                      God damn people take this shit so seriously.

                                                                                                      [–]throwntothewolves123 238 ポイント239 ポイント  (40子コメント)

                                                                                                      Nothing makes me cringe more than people using the term "SJW" unironically.

                                                                                                      [–]EccentricFox 66 ポイント67 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                      "Wow man, maybe you shouldn't have called that black guy an N-word to his face and threaten to lynch his whole family..."
                                                                                                      "See we got another SJW over here!"

                                                                                                      [–]mizmooseHated At Every Size 99 ポイント100 ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                                                                                      Yep. SJW used to mean "people who aggressively fight for a cause they know little about by making illogical arguments or repeating trite cliches they read/heard about."

                                                                                                      Somewhere along the way the little darlings turned SJW into meaning "People who disagree with me and tell me I'm not allowed to be a bigot err, I mean, state my opinions to which I have a God-given right."

                                                                                                      [–]ANUSBLASTER_MKII 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                                      It's kind of like the word 'liberal' in the US.

                                                                                                      [–]mizmooseHated At Every Size 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                      I'm always amused that "liberal" means something different just about everywhere else. And when you try to explain that to the nutters here, they tell you, "But this is MURRICA!"

                                                                                                      uh huh...

                                                                                                      [–]WorseThanHipsterIt's about ethics in fracturing peniles 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                      And to reference recent drama: democrat == liberal ∴ all liberals are racist¿ You really think someone would do that? Just go on a bumpersticker and tell lies?

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                                                                                                        [–]spacecity9SJW In Training 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                        SJW is just left of Hitler now

                                                                                                        [–]SaladWithHotDogsInItActual Internet Batman 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                        We should bring back "keyboard warriors" because it gives me hilarious images in my head.

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                                                                                                          [–]timewarp 134 ポイント135 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                                          It's a good indicator that lets you know you can stop reading that person's comments.

                                                                                                          [–]cvillemade 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                                          I keep reading them, just in Dale Gribble's voice.

                                                                                                          [–]ld987 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                          Aww come on, that's not fair, Dale's better than that.

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                                                                                                              [–]vagtasticvoiagecome along and ride on the 127 ポイント128 ポイント  (43子コメント)

                                                                                                              So please, let's cut it with the "FPH is worse than SRS" bullshit. At least until you have some data to back up your claim.

                                                                                                              Like the time fph harassed a fat kid till he killed himself?

                                                                                                              [–]treebogprofessional memer + /r/adviceanimals shill 84 ポイント85 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                                                                              Unfortunately for him I have a peer reviewed article that says "FPH is worse than SRS"

                                                                                                              [–]vagtasticvoiagecome along and ride on the 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                                                              But remember, they don't brigade or anything like that. It's a rule they have.

                                                                                                              [–]treebogprofessional memer + /r/adviceanimals shill 88 ポイント89 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                                              No but SRS is just as bad. One time they downvoted a guy who made a racist joke. That's the same severity as telling fat people to kill themselves right?

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                                                                                                                [–]tomorrowistomato 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                                Wait, when was this?

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                                                                                                                  [–]PixyFreakingStixi am become drama, destroyer of kernels 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                                                  As it happens, I messaged the Reddit admins today regarding a FPH post that made it to the front page that was literally nothing but actual hate, and an admin responded to me. (S)he basically said they understood and appreciated how much FPH is reviled by people, and got a lot of comments about it. They said they were listening.

                                                                                                                  Then this popped up a few hours later.

                                                                                                                  I kind of think this rule is made primarily for FPH, and is going to be used as a pretense to ban the subreddit in the following weeks. I hope I'm right.

                                                                                                                  [–]lifestyledles enfants beurres 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                                  honestly, that’d be the best kind of PR for them. like, a lot of people are saying “well if they banned that sub then they’d be giving up their cause of free speech and would lose so many users” but...imagine how many they’d GAIN if it hit the news that a massive site with infinite communities for everything was going to make it so that the act of not being fit was no longer grounds for your account to be stalked, harassed, and possibly doxxed.

                                                                                                                  like...the vocal minority really is a minority. if they all disappeared from this site, it would be such a better place and nobody would really miss them. you might actually even get to a point where you can look at something on /r/funny for once without 80% of the comments being ‘hurr not funny so perfect for /r/funny’.

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                                                                                                                    [–]sterling_malloryWelldone ground Kobe w/ ketchup on gluten free Wonderbread 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                                                    Ugh that last thread, about the person who supposedly committed suicide... Everyone's saying, "they didn't really kill themselves, it was just a troll." as if that matters. Wouldn't you rather fall for being to a person lying about being suicidal than encourage a potential actual suicidal person? It's like running over a baby, driving away, then justifying it when you find out afterwards that it was just a doll.

                                                                                                                    [–]Sodiepawp 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                    Fucking this. It's essentially saying;

                                                                                                                    "Yeah it's okay we took his photos, harassed him for his looks, bullied him when he tried to defend himself, and then banned him purely for what number he gets when he stands on a scale, cause he didn't kill himself REALLY."

                                                                                                                    Fucking scummy diversion tactics.

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                                                                                                                      [–]ShaianI DID NOT HAVE SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH THAT MEME 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                                      I swear to god the general reddit userbase is the living embodiment of it's not technically illegal to say it, therefore I will.

                                                                                                                      [–]Dear_OccupantThree feminist toddlers in an overcoat 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                      The actual legal term for this is I'm Not Touching You.

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                                                                                                                        [–]selfabortion 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                                        There might as well just be a bot that automatically posts to SRD when there's an admin post at this point. People can find a way to be outraged about anything

                                                                                                                        [–]shadowsofashIt's popcorn all the way down. 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                                        Oh, hey. HomerSimpsonXronize defending FPH brigading again.

                                                                                                                        [–]GhostFaceShillerConfiner of Hamsters 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                        If you mention the sub he always appears. Like a really shit Candyman...

                                                                                                                        [–]CViperAnita Sarkeesian is the greatest human being ever. 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                                                                        This site of seriously doomed. First I'm impressed that a site built around free speech managed to have an environment that inhibits expression. Trying to fix that problem inevitably results in hostility. We can all have fun on the world's biggest bullying platform.

                                                                                                                        [–]Palm-WineDrinkard 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                                                        I can't believe how many people think they have a right to harass people anonymously while hiding under free speech. The defaults are completely unusable when inciteful hate speech stifles free range of expression. Free speech doesn't mean noise or spam should be the predominant form of expression.

                                                                                                                        [–]WilWheatonsScrote 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                                        Plus imagine how much expression you're allowed to have if you're black or a woman. Post a photo of yourself? Prepare for massive amounts of harassment/sexism/racism/abuse.

                                                                                                                        [–]FerengiStudent 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                                        Look at the threads on /r/news for the Baltimore riots. People were digging through people's posts histories to see if they could infer or prove people were black so they could dismiss or make fun of their comments.

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                                                                                                                          [–]mizmooseHated At Every Size 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                                          The problem with "free speech" is that it comes with responsibility -- the Reddit admins have even said so.

                                                                                                                          The problem is that you have a bunch of teenagers and 20-year-olds who make up the majority of Reddit and, face it, a lot of people that age haven't yet learned that your words have consequences as much as your actions do.

                                                                                                                          So in trying to do "the right thing," instead Reddit created anarchy. And anarchy is like true Marxist Communism - you can argue that it's a great theory, but it's just not stable in the long term.

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                                                                                                                            [–]thomaszInternational Brotherhood of Shills Shop Steward 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                            It started with /r/jailbait... but I wasn't a ephebophile so I didn't speak up. Then they came for /r/thefappening, but I didn't speak up because I wasn't into fuzzy pictures of people I don't know. Then they came for /r/gamergate, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a gamer.

                                                                                                                            It started with jailbait. I applauded, because I'm not a fucking pedo and I wish them to die in a fucking fire. Then they came for /r/thefappening, and I applauded because I believe in privacy, even for women. Then they came for /r/gamergate and I was all like www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOAJu4CrBUU.

                                                                                                                            [–]MouseheartThese Nazi jokes are out of mein kampf-ort zone. 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                                            It started with /r/jailbait... but I wasn't a ephebophile so I didn't speak up. Then they came for /r/thefappening, but I didn't speak up because I wasn't into fuzzy pictures of people I don't know. Then they came for /r/gamergate, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a gamer.

                                                                                                                            So, the Reddit admins personally put the subscribers to all those subs into KZs and gassed them? Oh boy, Reddit takes their anti-harassment measures seriously!

                                                                                                                            ... /s.

                                                                                                                            Also

                                                                                                                            It started with /r/jailbait... but I wasn't a ephebophile so I didn't speak up.

                                                                                                                            ...

                                                                                                                            I wasn't a ephebophile

                                                                                                                            ...

                                                                                                                            ephebophile

                                                                                                                            Sure.

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