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False InfoMicrosoft Punishes Gears Leakers By Making Their Xbox Ones Unusable (kotaku.com)

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[–]BigAlSmoker 236 ポイント237 ポイント  (43子コメント)

As someone currently under an NDA, it's not something you want to break. The legal consequences are way worse than getting to be the first leak. Completely not worth it.

[–]DirkLimpwood 84 ポイント85 ポイント  (13子コメント)

I came here to say the same thing. This guy got what he deserved.

[–]hoti0101 93 ポイント94 ポイント  (12子コメント)

I completely agree. This article makes Microsoft out to be a bully. Fuck that shit. In my field breaking your contractual clauses will get you fired and potentially sued. These guys got off easy.

[–]Cool_Foot_LukeC00LF00TLUKE 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Of course it does, it's Kotaku.
According to them, everything Microsoft do is terrible.

[–]Homicidal_Sheep#TeamChief 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Kotaku: Where everything is exaggerated, nobody fact-checks, game companies are all bullies, and gamers are "literally hitler"

[–]SuperWoody64SuperWoody64 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hitler did nothing wrong

[–]wisty 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is an issue here - most of these testers probably aren't pros. It's apparently an online outfit, where you sign up to make a few bucks (in your spare time, or if you need the cash). Glassdoor suggests it's $7-$10 an hour, with no real stability - http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/VMC-Game-Labs-Reviews-E475180.htm

Companies want their workers to be professional, but don't want to hire professionals.

MS can hire professional testers. They just want to farm it out to a bunch of casuals to save a few bucks. There's nothing wrong with that, but they can't complain when a casual tester on low pay doesn't value their job as much as a pro.

You'd think Kotaku would jump all over this. I guess not. Maybe they just want to deliver the facts, not try to shove their opinions down our throats.

[–]ChiliManiac 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

NeoGAF is having a field day with this, at least kotaku knows there audience.

[–]PowerBrick99#teamchief 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Easy? No.

They've been banned from VMC's Games program which basically means that to a certain extent they're blacklisted. They'll probably never get jobs as testers again. VMC is also referring them to their legal department, so there could also be legal consequences as well as fines if VMC chooses to pursue it. And it looks like they will.

So it looks like this guy's "friend" screwed him over ON PURPOSE. When others who were in the program saw what happened, they just jumped right on the same wagon.

[–]hoti0101 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

They're getting what they deserve. They were trusted with intellectual property and told not to disclose any information related to it. They broke that trust so that shouldn't be given a second chance.

[–]themanbat 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice... we won't get fooled again!

[–]Homicidal_Sheep#TeamChief 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

They broke a contract. Other companies aren't going to want to hire someone that can't be trusted with their game.

Legal consequences make sense. They broke a contract.

[–]k3rn3ll 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The worst part is it hurts VMC and it's employees. Diminishes chances for future test contracts.

[–]ericelawrence 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It also disregards the fact that any of these companies can disable their systems. Apple, Amazon, heck even steam can disable games if they think you stole them.

[–]lukeawilson87#teamchief 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yep. And when people break them like this, it mucks it up for the rest of us that take it seriously.

[–]3mpir3MortalWolf85 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Could you expand on some of the consequences of breaching these NDAs? Just curious

[–]Dynehart 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (2子コメント)

For one, you could be liable for all monetary damages resulting from said leak.

If it can be shown your leak caused $1,000,000 in damages, you're going to have a bad time.

[–]k3rn3ll 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

By both VMC and the IP holder. So they could get sued twice. VMC can claim damages as it lowers their quality assurance for game publisher looking to use the network to run test

[–]ITMANAGER_KILLME_PLS 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

How much does a tester make?

[–]AmericanCobraCobrasaur - #teamchief 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm fairly confident there's some hefty $1000 or more fines for breaking the NDA, and then court cases which will also have monetary repercussions on the leaker. So in that respect, it's financially dumb to do.

[–]MufroTitanfall 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Plus, you'll never get hired in that field again, so that's a total loss.

[–]byobguy 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Remember that girl who leaked there was going to be a female Robin in the new BVS movie?

[–]Qui-Gon_Booze#teamchief 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Plus it ruins the surprise for everyone else. :(

[–]ChiliManiac 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

this is the biggest problem of people breaking NDA's, like...why would I care about E3 if everything is simply spoiled a month before. No wonder viewership has gone down.

[–]Down_With_The_CrownNicklestacks 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

But seriously, let me in on your NDA secrets, I promise I won't tell anyone

[–]fallouthirteenfallouthirteen 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I mean look what they got, bans and who knows what legal action, and none of us even knows their name. All the penalties and no fame.

[–]iUseThings 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

What is an nda? (sorry I'm clue less came from r/all)

[–]flyerbynight 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is a non-disclosure agreement. From Wikipedia, " is a legal contract between at least two parties that outlines confidential material, knowledge, or information that the parties wish to share with one another for certain purposes, but wish to restrict access to or by third parties"

[–]Doendeoverasselt 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Non Disclosure Agreement

[–]evoim3 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also the videos posted have their gamertags in clear view when they killed somebody. They clearly don't think at all.

[–]xmoda#teamchief 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

You got the email too? Yeah really ruins it for our community to have people like this in it

[–]Dynamite_Fools 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Do you work for these guys? Is it a fun job? What are the hours and how much does it pay?

[–]AvidlyUnstableSimply Taco 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

So, uh, what are you in an NDA for?....

[–]BigAlSmoker 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

A game developer and publisher

[–]blackfire561#teamchief 345 ポイント346 ポイント  (115子コメント)

Yeah they deserve it, never break a NDA. Although this does pretty much confirm it's real.

[–]FANTASMABOBBXBL GT - #teamchief 56 ポイント57 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I cant wait to see this at E3...

[–]KentuxxKentuxx 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Yeah by Microsoft taking action it basically confirms this. They should have at least waited until after they announce it

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    [–]ZetaOri#teamlocke 197 ポイント198 ポイント  (57子コメント)

    Honestly, any one who has ever had any experience with big companies know you don't fuck around with a NDA.

    What's much more worrisome is how people are gonna try to twist this narrative to "Microsoft can brick your system at anytime", and bring back the 2013 levels of microsalt.

    [–]craftbeard 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    What's much more worrisome is how people are gonna try to twist this narrative to "Microsoft can brick your system at anytime", and bring back the 2013 levels of microsalt

    Just point them to the PS4 EULA that states the exact same thing:

    1. VIOLATION OF AGREEMENT; TERMINATION OF RIGHTS AND SCE REMEDIES If SCE determines that you have violated this Agreement’s terms, SCE may itself or may procure the taking of any action to protect its interests such as disabling access to or use of some or all System Software, disabling use of this PS4 system online or offline, termination of your access to PlayStation™Network, denial of any warranty, repair or other services provided for your PS4 system, implementation of automatic or mandatory updates or devices intended to discontinue unauthorized use, or reliance on any other remedial efforts as reasonably necessary to prevent the use of modified or unpermitted use of System Software.

    [–]PlzPassTheSalt 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    This capability is very specifically in both the Microsoft and Sony terms of use.

    You agreed to it by using your console.

    [–]WaitWhat_ButWhy 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    The author of the article, Jason Schreier already created that negative narrative by writing "Microsoft has both permanently banned those leakers’ Xbox Live accounts and temporarily made their Xbox Ones totally unusable. If you didn’t think Microsoft had this power, you’re not alone. The digital present is scary."
    Jason Schreier frequently posts on GAF. His impartiality is dubious.

    EDIT Jason Schreier just wrote this in the comments section: "I don’t feel bad for the leakers — if you’re gonna leak something, at least do it through Kotaku so we can protect your identity! — but it’s terrifying that Microsoft can just hit a button and turn a $350 machine into a brick."

    [–]wcmbk 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    His impartiality is dubious

    The GAF v Reddit mentality on this subreddit is beyond ridiculous.

    [–]ZetaOri#teamlocke 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    It's really not.

    As someone who scrolls through GAF just as much as here, being an Xbox one fan on that website is a recipe for disaster.

    They just let a post named "Microsoft can remotely disable any Xbox One" with no link to the original article explaining the circumstances behind the decsion, and no kind of indication that this is possible on other consoles be known, despite both being pointed out numerous times in the comments, make it to both the front page and 300+ comments.

    This is just one example, but go read through any Microsoft related thread and see for yourself.

    The natural hate for this console over there would obviously clash with a subreddit for that very console.

    [–]Yetiman22 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    To be fair I feel like GAF is the same as /r/gaming or games here. I mean sure Xbox threads are fine in the xbox subreddit, but outside of that they get shit on hard on reddit too.

    [–]ZetaOri#teamlocke 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yeah, that is certainly true.

    [–]TheReaver 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    he was a wanker on luelinks too. not surprised :P

    [–]Tastybread 67 ポイント68 ポイント  (23子コメント)

    I honestly don't think there's anything MS can do. They've been sending out rock solid exclusives to the Xbox One, pulling back archaic policies, and rapidly improving on the console and you still have people who say that they will never forgive them. Gamers on GAF and elsewhere have somehow turned into curmudgeonly old men who like to hold grudges because I think it's easier for them to hold one mindset.

    [–]ZetaOri#teamlocke 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    I agree. I'm scrolling the GAF thread and the amount of people "shocked" at this ability to remotely disable a console is...hilarious.

    First of all, the other consoles have it as well. It's 2015. Your cell phone probably has it.

    Secondly, it was done to prevent the lakes from accessing the alpha/beta again and leaking even more now that they know they have been caught.

    I get it, people are worried about a large corporation having that type of power, but it's up to you as a person to read and make sure the device you buy doesn't have that in its legal text somewhere.

    Reminds me of the humancentipad episode of South Park.

    Edit: leakers, not lakes lol

    [–]kincomer1#TeamGrunt 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Let's not forget Southpark had a whole episode about reading the terms of the agreement. It's amazing folks are shocked. Apple went through a whole debacle about stuff similar to this. Should I eat the cuddle fish or vanilla paste?

    [–]3mpir3MortalWolf85 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Correct answer: Beef & Bean burrito from Pacos.

    Thanks, Chuck.

    [–]the_pugilist 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    EULAs are of dubious legality and have yet to fully hold up in court with some of the more extreme rights claims by companies.

    This might become a test case.

    [–]Cool_Foot_LukeC00LF00TLUKE 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Aww cuddle fish sounds so nice.

    [–]triggles00#teamchief 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (10子コメント)

    Sad, but true. The system we have now is much better than the one that was announced 2 years ago. They'll probably never get the GAF crowd, but they don't need them for the system to be a success. They probably won't pass the PS4 in number of systems sold, but I think any objective person would agree that the software lineup for the XB1 is better. There are certain elements of GAF that I like, but the hive mind mentality isn't one of them.

    [–]PsyfuzzMTM2UK -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (9子コメント)

    It's a weird one, the X1 has a string of solid 8/10 experiences but hasn't put out an exclusive that's Bloodborne tier - however strip away BB and the PS4's exclusives are weak.

    The PS4's hit a higher note but otherwise has been extremely average on the first party front.

    [–]triggles00#teamchief 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (8子コメント)

    I would put Horizon 2 and Sunset Overdrive on that tier, but I do agree that From hit it out of the park with Bloodborne. I don't necessarily think any of those titles have the broad appeal that Halo 5 will. Microsoft needs a lot of good PR going into that and a flawless launch if they want to close the gap with Sony.

    [–]PsyfuzzMTM2UK 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    First impressions define a generation. The PS3 likewise had a very hard time pulling the gamer's perception back - Sony had Japan and Europe to fall back on though, something Microsoft doesn't have. :/

    I wouldn't say this grudge is something exclusive to GAF either, the general market is holding it.

    [–]uberJamesuberJames 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Reminds me of how people are treating the rerelease of Payday 2.

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      [–]CROAT_56 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Its already happening look at the comments on IGN's article and other places people are up in arms while MS did nothing wrong in this case.

      [–]fallouthirteenfallouthirteen 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Yeah, just look at pretty much all the comments on that Kotaku article.

      [–]AuxillaryXbox Ambassador 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Back when I was testing the Xbox 360's new disc format, I was sent a copy of Halo: Reach, but with the world "CONFIDENTIAL" stamped over it. The disc was registered to my console by serial number, so if my friend decided to put it in his Xbox, it would completely disable Xbox Live functionality permanently.

      Don't mess with NDAs.

      [–]liquidblue4. 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I still have that disc.

      [–]AuxillaryXbox Ambassador 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I have mine in storage somewhere. It's not like I can do much with it.

      [–]samsaBEAR 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

      They can do exactly the same to 360s can't they? I didn't think it was anything new.

      [–]Beatsters 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      I believe so. I remember hearing about how Microsoft bricked a bunch of modded consoles after an update a few years ago.

      I don't see why anyone would be upset by this. They obviously have a very strong incentive not to use this power frivolously, and so far have only used it against pirates and NDA-breakers.

      [–]call_meh_Kevin 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      I flashed my xbox 360 to play burnt games around the release of ODST. They bricked my console and made it a paperweight. No complaints from me. I broke our agreement and suffered the consequences.

      [–]Troe123 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Yeah, the bricking news is honestly bigger.

      Everyone knew (to a fairly reasonable degree) that a GoW remaster of some type was coming. It made to much sense.

      The bricking power (in light of the anti-always online a few years back) simply stands out.

      [–]GSpess 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Most of my artistic work lies under a very funk NDA. It's in a stupid limbo between property holders and production company, where neither of them can/will give me the rights to use my work for hiring purposes only, and honestly while I'm sure nothing will happen I'm too scared. I rather lose out on ~2 years of work rather than risk being blacklisted by someone down the line.

      I really hope this shit doesn't get twisted though. It's an agreement you go into very well knowing there will be repercussions for you breaking it. If you break it you should have to pay.

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        [–]Tolrem88 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        ""To be clear, if a console is suspended from Xbox Live for a violation of the Terms of Use, it can still be used offline," a Microsoft spokesperson told GameSpot. "Microsoft enforcement action does not result in a console becoming unusable." edit: Got this quote from Windows Central.

        [–]IceBreakVegeta 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Now see, that's just fine to me. Still can't believe all the folks that were/are endorsing the total bricking of a console simply because it was hidden in the NDA. It would certainly be the lesser punishment when compared with being sued but it's still such a crazy level of action that borders on destruction of a piece of property that was not provided for the beta/alpha/trial/whatever.

        Imagine if Apple started kill switching jailbroken iPhones, for example. Wouldn't that be just as "fair game" if you agreed to a ToS on activation? What if you do something on your computer that a company feels is bad? Should they be able to shut that whole thing down too?

        [–]Karma_V12Xbox 124 ポイント125 ポイント  (8子コメント)

        Good, I hate when people leak stuff and ruin the news. Devs want to announce their own game they've been working on for years. The one person who comes along to test it for an hour has no right to just tell the world and ruin the surprise the devs have been working so hard on.

        [–]880cloud088 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Especially when they do it this stupidly. They didn't even try to cover it up. Pure stupidity.

        [–]AquaGiantSJ Shark Byte 👽#TeamArbiter 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        And their few-hundred dollar entertainment system is now a dud. Bet they don't feel too great right about now.

        [–]JohnWayneWasANazi 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        He deserves more than just a bricked console.

        [–]Conlon12345 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Like... a bricked window?

        [–]retrovertigo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        This! Nobody really thinks about what the developer loses in this situation. Thanks for sticking up for the people who truly matter.

        [–]choboy456choboy999 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        eh I think it kind of builds the hype but I can see why they were punished

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          [–]clearwater007CKsilver007 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          If they didn't enforce the NDA then no one would take it seriously and people would be leaking stuff all day. There has to be punishment for such a thing, besides I think temporarily disabling their Xbox is getting off easy.

          Edit: Microsoft released a statement: "To be clear, if a console is suspended from Xbox Live for a violation of the Terms of Use, it can still be used offline. Microsoft enforcement action does not result in a console becoming unusable. Suspensions for both consoles and accounts are determined by looking at a number of factors. To avoid enforcement action including suspension from the service, users should follow the Xbox Live Terms of Use and Code of Conduct."

          So, it isn't effectively bricking, it's just removing any type of connected functionality from them. Which, admittedly is a lot, but they should still be able to play games or watch a Blu-ray.

          [–]A2AegisAegis of Sparta 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          They're also probably going to be hearing from Microsoft's legal team.

          [–]JohnWayneWasANazi 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Hopefully. If that's all that happens then they got let off easy.

          [–]LinkRazrARon723 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Microsoft just release a statement.

          It does NOT brick the system. It just doesn't allow them to connect to live, just like the 360 days.

          http://www.engadget.com/2015/05/14/microsoft-ban-for-gears-of-wars-leakers-only-knocks-them-offli/?utm_source=Feed_Classic_Full&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Engadget&?ncid=rss_full

          They probably thought it was bricked because nothing was working without going into the profile settings and hitting "Go offline".

          [–]JadingsPharreIl 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Good. As much as I enjoyed the leaks, you shouldn't break NDAs.

          [–]whatsausername1 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Well break them for our entertainment... Just don't complain when there's consequences.

          The leakers got let off easy. They should be happy that's all that happened to them because MS could have pretty much ruined their life.

          [–]zleekDr Zleek 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          or at least don't make it super obvious that you did it... haha

          [–]William199 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Nice! NDA folks shouldn't break their NDA to begin with.

          [–]strayacarnt 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          So, industry professionals violated a NDA, broke the T&C's and want sympathy? They'll be lucky if they don't end up in court, and won't be working in the industry again. Their unusable xbone is the least of their worries.

          [–]DorwrathDorwrath 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          About time.

          People need to understand breaking rules has consequences and the previous slaps on the wrist hasn't worked. The punishment needed to be harder.

          [–]macbeth_htebcam 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          this. why would you post the pics!!! lol you had one job!!! If Microsoft can't trust testers to not post pics about a game that's a work in progress it's the consumer that ends up getting hurt.

          [–]Twitch92 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Such click bait. Unusable online, not completely unusable.

          [–]onexbigxhebrew#teamchief 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (4子コメント)

          Good. I'm sick of leaks. I'm a marketing professional, and I love a good official reveal. Everything is leaked nowadays, and it sucks.

          [–]LordoverLord 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          But you have to know thats how some companies get buzz on products. I test many games (in house). If you want to keep game footage a secret in house has to be the most logical.

          When they put it external, come on now. You really think Microsoft expected none of the "testers" to leak.

          Official reveals are great, but the leaking creates the buzz for those reveals. All in all its marketing.

          [–]onexbigxhebrew#teamchief 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          I sincerely doubt that in this case, given the negative press supposed console bricking and XBL bans is starting to generate.

          It's extremely common to use outside contractors for various outside functions of software (sales, testing, etc). The contractor pays them shit, and the big company doesn't have to give them benefits. Google does it with a contractor in my own city.

          [–]LordoverLord 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Good points and I would agree that this was not the intended marketing scenario.

          But you have to admit this did turn the buzz towards Microsoft in the gaming cycle today. More positive than negative overall. A package the fans want trumps the banning and bricking.

          [–]ITMANAGER_KILLME_PLS 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I love leaks, and I hate marketing professionals and official reveals. Small world.

          [–]SoulrakkLosDiggitti 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (10子コメント)

          Just wait until this gets twisted into "MS can brick your console anytime they want!" just to spawn more negativity towards owning an xbox.

          Too late. Already seeing this everywhere. lmao.. people are really fucking insane. I've never in my life witnessed such childish and relentless antics towards a product. Man oh man MS has got to be doing something right for these people to feel so threatened.

          [–]gheradel 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (6子コメント)

          Those same people probably buy iPhones or iPads and don't care that Apple can do the same to those

          [–]SoulrakkLosDiggitti 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Or any smartphone for that matter. Apple, Samsung, AT&T, Verizon, etc. They all have the ability or power to shut you down instantly.

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            [–]kegonomics 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            It's funny because it only seems bricked by the way the Xbox One works. As soon as they hit "Go Offline", they can do everything they want, but offline. It's actually just a console ban. People got console banned on the original xboxes for having mod chips on while connected to Xbox Live. This is nothing new at all...

            [–]DownMojo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            But it's so much worse when you have all digital games. Now you can have thousands of dollars in games (online part, which is even more important with fewer games having local multiplayer) taken from you. Before you would at least have the games and just have to buy a new gamertag or gamertag and xbox.

            [–]petardXB1 - KINECT FREE -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            It's not Microsoft doing something right, it's that Microsoft did something so stupid and so obviously wrong at e3 2013

            [–]Heroic_Stevorino 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            For those with pitchforks: Let's see here.... Would I prefer?:

            • My Xbox Bricked?

            • Legal case where the fees for a consultation exceed the cost of my Xbox One and all of my games?

            I think I'll take the bricked Xbox. Thanks.

            [–]DownMojo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Certainly. It just brings concerns about "what will they brick you for next" though, especially to potential customers.

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              [–]Kingfang 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Breaking an NDA will virtually blacklist you from ANY profession that involves and NDA. Which is a surprising amount of jobs you can't work in anymore.

              [–]Sanders67#teamchief 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

              Well deserved, lets not turn tables here.

              They signed a contract and broke it, in other words they broke the law and landed a blow to Microsoft's E3 plans with this leak.

              Like stated in the article they were using "Xbox One kits" as GBTN users (beta testers) this is not your average Xbox One, they have access to a library of beta software and games that we can't see (for obvious reasons).

              Their kits being disabled and GT banned is the least they could do.

              [–]Def30Def one 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              We don't have special test kits, having said that, they got what they deserved.

              [–]AdHoc_Rocprincerock #teamchief 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Im not understanding how people DONT see how this isnt just. When you agree to an NDA, you are legally bound to keep whatever information, product, ect. under wraps until an appointed time (if any). Having your console bricked is a god send as they could seek legal action resulting in losing more than just your ability to play your XO

              [–]prboiLatin Mafia III #teamchief 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

              Imagine if these leaks were an accident & it was due to the game auto recording gameplay.

              [–]Def30Def one 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Part of the very explicit instructions they give you before the test is to disable a lot of these features while you are testing.

              [–]prboiLatin Mafia III #teamchief 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I know, I was just joking

              [–]theneublack 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (7子コメント)

              Can someone ELI5 how Microsoft can identify the consoles/users with grainy photos of a start up screen?? Unless there were more photos I haven't seen with more revealing info

              edit: my bad just learned about the video that leaked today

              [–]Catharsis79 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

              Not sure why something as big as this didn't do what another game being tested now does and that is plasters your GT all over the screen... that way if there is a leak the source could easily be identified.

              [–]theneublack 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

              o0o0o i wonder what game :p

              [–]Catharsis79 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

              Fix It Felix Jr. 2

              [–]theneublack 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              I was hoping for slingo 2015 edition

              [–]Catharsis79 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I missed that one sadly...

              [–]fallouthirteenfallouthirteen 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              The very first one had a huge watermark with gamertag and some number (probably identifying serial number). Like half of it was blotted out, but there was probably enough left to easily identify him.

              [–]uberJamesuberJames 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Off topic, but before the X1 was unveiled, the models they shipped out to devs had very specific, black and white patterns on them, analogous to a finger print. That way, if someone leaked a photo of the console MS could immediately identify who it belonged to.

              [–]Baconsammy 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Good. If you sign an NDA, you're obligated to abide by it. They'll be lucky if this is their only punishment.

              [–]MrCodeman93 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Not unusable. Just knocks the console offline temporarily. Turns out it was false exaggerating by sites.

              [–]Vallmor 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Good. This is absolutely deserved.

              [–]BobbyDavros 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (4子コメント)

              I don't get how VMC get any business, their testers seem ridiculously unreliable.

              [–]mojo021 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              I wouldn't be suprised if VMC took legal action against these rogue employees as well. They just cost that company a contract with Microsoft.

              [–]metroid23 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              They just cost that company a contract with Microsoft.

              LOL, no they did not. While VMC is certainly a separate entity from MS, they have their hands so deep in each others pockets as to be inseparable at this point. It's basically like MS has an entire outsourced test division down the street from them. Granted, VMC/Volt has lost significant ground from their previous standing in the a- capacity some time ago, their v- business is still especially strong when it comes to MS test.

              [–]ShadowsOfTheFutureXbox 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Looks like Microsoft has officially responded to the claims.

              http://www.gamespot.com/articles/microsoft-denies-disabling-xbox-ones-for-terms-of-/1100-6427351/

              [–]FinalOdysseyDr Tchock 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              They were under NDA, they didn't comply, and this is what they got in return. They should have known better than to show off the hard work that a team was working on before it was ready.

              [–]ResilientBanana 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              If you want to be a game tester, play by the rules. Banning their consoles temporarily is probably the nicest thing Microsoft could have done.

              [–]srkuse82#teamchief 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              You reap what you sow..

              [–]CaptainSlow31CaptainSlow31 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

              I think they're getting off easy. They're lucky they aren't being sued into oblivion.

              It's really simple. You sign an agreement that you won't tell or show anything about the game. What the hell do you think is going to happen if you leak it?

              Zero sympathy for them.

              [–]RikaMXRikaMX 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              I agree, at least if they're gamers and not having the ability to play is going to hurt them.

              But yeah they should be sued.

              [–]LinkRazrARon723 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              They probably are actually.

              [–]Blank3k 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              This is the sort of thing that maintains my faith in Xbox Live, the fact people who break the rules will be punished in a meaningful way - not simply just need to create a new username and resume abusing the service.

              It's especially more impactful when potentially these accounts have games etc attached to them, who in there right mind would cheat / abuse the service if it meant potentially losing a few thousand quids worth of purchases.

              Yes it has that difficult aura of "big brother" about it but hell, I don't want to experience cheaters etc ruining my gameplay experiences & I don't cheat, so the Microsoft drone thats hovering overhead is protecting my experience.

              As for these guys, they broke a legal agreement (NDA) the whole thing and damaged a company's reputation in the process, so walking away scot-free would have made a mockery of the whole thing.

              [–]AriesK47BryceMG6 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              That's the whole point of it to. A ban is a ban. If there wasn't console bans the guy would probably leak more under a different XBL account as a protest and spoil the whole entire planned E3 announcement.

              But ohhhhh. Microsoft is the bad guy for defending their Xbox TOS and NDA that he signed telling him of the legal consequences of a leak.

              [–]rdogg1026What's a Gamertag? 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Misleading title.

              [–]StrikeAnywherePandaAgitatedStove 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              As someone who worked for Microsoft, their NDAs should not be fucked with. At all. I'm still pretty sure I'm not allowed to talk about this, and it's been a couple of years too.

              [–]c0rnnut007 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              First of all. Signing a NDA agreement and then breaking it IS BAD. 100% bad and should be punished. Which, according to this article VMC Games has had "...both members permanently removed from the community and addressed to [their] legal department, as per the terms of the NDA."

              That's all well and good. The article mentions that Microsoft stepped in and bricked their personal Xbox One consoles (Temporarily as it might be) because the the leak also went against the Xbox Live EULA—though I can't seem to be able to find any language about leaking game info in the EULA nor Microsoft's Code of Conduct.

              The Code of Conduct language does say "Do not use the services to do anything illegal. You, not Microsoft, are responsible for your actions on the services and the consequences of your actions." Breaking a NDA is an illegal offense—however, the scenario mentioned in the article as an example of what a few testers did wrong—it was Snapchat that was the "service" they used to do the illegal activity of sending a photograph of a top secret game to another person.

              I feel like Microsoft is overreaching their authority a bit. VMC Games has all the right in the world to punish these people as they see fit, but I don't see how (in my reading of Xbox Live's EULA) that Microsoft could brick their personal consoles.

              What if someone sent me a screenshot of a top-secret game and I posted it online via Twitter or whatnot? I haven't signed any NDA agreement but would Microsoft be able to brick my machine too even though I didn't "...use the [Xbox Live] service to do anything illegal?"

              But I digress—and I'll be the first to admit that I may not be reading the legal stuff correctly.

              [–]jarrys88 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Microsoft all like

              "DONT FKN LEAK YOU CNTS I'LL REK YOU. THIS ISNT EVEN MY FINAL FORM. I'LL DESTROY YOU, WHERE ARE MY FKN CHICKEN NUGGETS!!!"

              [–]Tastybread 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I don't feel sorry for them in the slightest. They agreed not to leak information. Period.

              [–]liquidblue4. 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (11子コメント)

              Leakers so fucking stupid that they're even leaking the goddamn emails now...

              [–]Fytt 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (7子コメント)

              The email isn't covered by the NDA

              [–]liquidblue4. 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

              It's still shitty to leak that. Especially only 13 minutes after it was sent out.

              [–]Fytt 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

              Yeah, I sucks for the devs the most

              [–]liquidblue4. 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (4子コメント)

              It's just amazing to me that some person got the email about not leaking things, barely had time to read over it, and then the only thing they could think of was "holy shit... I gotta leak this!"

              [–]Fytt 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

              Yeah, it was most likely someone from kotaku that got the email himself

              [–]liquidblue4. 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

              I doubt that. I'm pretty sure that Schreier leaked the original pics as well. I know that Kotaku is trash run by total fucking morons, but that would be an extra special kind of stupid. However, that may be why the leaker wasn't sued... but that's conspiracy territory.

              [–]Fytt 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              You gotta remember to that the email was not covered by the nda, but what you said is most likely true.

              [–]liquidblue4. 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              That's true. I just can't get into that mindset. I'm sure there are plenty of other VMC guys here too that would agree. I'd rather keep testing games and making money instead of getting fired and into a bunch of legal shit for 10 seconds of internet fame.

              [–]fallouthirteenfallouthirteen 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              It's the internet, there's a queue of people waiting to shout first even though no one will see their name.

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                [–]youkosnake 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Good.

                [–]citedOn a mission to civilize 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

                [–]DreadSabotKalimal 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Lol that's awesome

                [–]EvolutionaryMishap 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Good. Break NDAs and be a moron you deserve it. And more punishment

                [–]RikaMXRikaMX 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                They deserve it, glad they're doing something extreme so maybe we don't get more leaked stuff from E3.

                [–]toekneegDarqStalker 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Good. I wish more companies adhiered to their ndas.

                [–]FragCakesTryhard Andy 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                They had it coming, they broke an NDA so they'll get no sympathy from me.

                However, since some of the stuff is already out in the wild. Where could I find these leaks?

                [–]GokauGokumasaki2 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                I've noted that in that memo it says "Xbox One kit" not console like it usually says on stuff like this. I think this implies that guy was using a dev kit or a tester kit supplied by Microsoft and not a retail console.

                [–]Def30Def one 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                I do some testing for VMC, we use our own retail console. Having said that, they got what they deserved.

                [–]Fytt 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                They use test kits at their head-quarters, at home tests are running on retail units :)

                [–]macbeth_htebcam 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                I hate how the writer implies that microsoft is going all big brother on us. so stupid.

                [–]the_pugilist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                What if microsoft got the wrong guy? There is literally no oversight or transparency.

                [–]macbeth_htebcam 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                First off i guess you could technically say the tester wasn't the one who uploaded the screen shots on the web. Though he was fucking moron for putting himself in that position and he knew damn well he wasn't even supposed to share that information with any one. So it's hard to feel sorry for him because he still broke the rules. "There is literally no oversight or transparency"<-- im not sure what your referring too with this and seems out of place in this context.

                [–]the_pugilist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                It means that all we have is the word of the company that shut the system down. What is the appeals process if you get incorrectly bricked?

                [–]macbeth_htebcam 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                " Xbox One kits"<-- I don't think he was using a consumer console when he violated his contract. Even so it's pretty rare for Microsoft to ban accounts and them 'bricking" a consumer console is unheard of.

                [–]Kar98_Byf42 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Should have read that NDA.

                [–]Yoatzinn 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Most of the time when you get invited to test out a product that isn't announced you shouldn't need to read the NDA to know you shouldn't be posting online about it.

                [–]PettEmiltripycocotr33s 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                this is great. They should have been sued too. I hate these leaks that spoils the fun of E3 for us others.

                [–]ozariss 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Good News

                [–]CROAT_56 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                As others have said being under a NDA is no joke. Know the consequences of your actions, as a gamer this is the least of their worries. Be glad they aren't getting sued for an astronomical amount in damages.

                [–]MrKuubSkyOtic 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                they're not being sued yet. Microsoft just did corporate asset protection, and denied the beta-testers access to the build.

                [–]CROAT_56 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                They should count themselves lucky then. It could be much worse. I didn't click the link no sense in giving Kotaku click revenue.

                [–]thorlord 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                This is probably special circumstances to prevent further leaks.

                Who knows what these guys recorded. Im guessing this was done so that potentially hundreds of hours of game footage doesnt appear on youtube tomorrow.

                [–]DreadSabotKalimal 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                GOOD!!!

                They signed an NDA and that document would clearly state that there would be penalties for leaks. So maybe this will get the point across. Don't agree to test and then blab about it or show videos of work in progress. They ruined the suprised for everyone else this e3 and now will get what they deserve.

                [–]crackalac 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Well sucks for them but I thank them for the sacrifice.

                [–]WombRaid3r 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                This could have been (and maybe still will) a lot worse. NDAs are serious and there are reasons for them. By leaking things like this, you will just make your employer look bad.

                [–]Niall1800 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Banning them from XBL seems fine to me. When you break the rules you must suffer the consequences.

                [–]unsclericReclaimer Rob - #teamchief 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                If Microsoft or whoever needs a trustworthy beta tester for awesome stuff like this, I'm your guy.

                [–]mightylordredbeard 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                "However, in a statement sent to Kotaku this evening, Microsoft denied VMC’s claims, saying that in fact the leakers’ consoles are still usable offline."

                [–]swanlee597Swanlee 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Good, previous year leaks really killed alot of hype and surprise of last years E3

                [–]Chronostasis 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                This is sad. More than just doing something you are contractually binded not to do, you're doing something that ruins part of the feeling of accomplishment for all of the developers, artists, writers, etc that work on this game.

                Please, if you are under an NDA, be respectful of the developers you're working with, it's not just your revenge story, it's their baby.

                [–]Giftofgab24#TeamLocke 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                This needs a false info tag.

                [–]DocNoob 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Link to uploaded content?

                [–]SJCrusader 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                What exactly got leaked?

                [–]falconbox#teamlocke 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Interesting that they can make it totally unusuable, even if you try to play offline.

                [–]Heromonil H E R O li 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Not a surprise.

                [–]dustiferbDragonHawk X7 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                While i do feel sorry for their Xbones becoming useless, they signed an agreement and they broke it knowingly. They deserve what they got.

                Anyway this pretty much confirms it yay!

                [–]conroy1 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                They deserve it.

                [–]awbitf 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                Stupid title. These guys are facing possible legal action, but no, let's focus on their console and Live status.

                [–]skittles92 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                lol at the comments at the Facebook post from kotaku. Apparently signing an agreement means nothing to a lot of people

                [–]LordoverLord 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                It doesn't mean jack shit to corporations that can hide behind lawyers and bankrupting lawsuits.

                Me personally I respect my nda's, but I see business contract broken all the time. Thats why you always deal in amounts worth suing over.

                [–]Catharsis79 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Who else rook this as a time to apply to VCM... we know they lost staff

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