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[–]robotortoise 135 ポイント136 ポイント  (65子コメント)

It's not the worst offender anymore.

/r/bestof and /r/subredditdrama are. Both use NP links, but the mods and NP links can only do so much...

[–]duckvimes_ 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (54子コメント)

/r/subredditdrama's mods will ban anyone they catch commenting in a linked thread, though.

[–]NoMoreNicksLeft 84 ポイント85 ポイント  (30子コメント)

That's bullshit. I've been brigaded by SRD at least 5 times in the last couple months, and the latest was some jackoff who couldn't win the argument and took it to SRD so they could be his own personal army.

I had +10 and +20 comments in the original thread that then tanked to -20, and the person who posted it to SRD was a commenter in the original thread. He provably commented.

I'm sure they claim to do that sort of banning, so they can have some plausible deniability, but if they did it for real their subreddit would be empty.

[–]iamaneviltaco 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Interesting, because they have a rule there specifically stating that you can't post drama you're involved with.

[–]ManFromAnAntiqueLand 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I had someone post to SRD on a post they were involved in and it was upvoted and nobody said a word.

[–]NoMoreNicksLeft -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's more like a guideline. And only on Tuesdays, or when they need to pretend how careful they are to discourage brigading.

[–]TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Or, y'know, you could just modmail us to report this and it'll get removed

[–]cameroncac 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No its true, Im banned for that reason. (Sorry I made a few comments. I deleted em now)

[–]duckvimes_ 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (11子コメント)

I'm sure they claim to do that sort of banning, so they can have some plausible deniability, but if they did it for real their subreddit would be empty.

Bullshit. When I was new to SRD, I commented in a linked thread because I thought that was okay. I was banned from SRD quickly.

They can't do anything about votes other than report it to the admins.

[–]TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm sure they claim to do that sort of banning, so they can have some plausible deniability, but if they did it for real their subreddit would be empty.

man, our banlist is fuckin' epic

[–]Rsdd12 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its weird how when the mods of subreddit drama have a no brigading rule, it's a lie and no one follows it. But if FPH does the same thing, well now the people who devote their free time to pure hate would never break a rule.

Oh! And the mods who created the entire np. system would obviously never take their brigades seriously /s

[–]zaxotone 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Did he post before or after the link?

[–]obvious_bot -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think it's impossible for mods to know who voted. Only admins can do that. The mods are good at banning people who obviously follow the link then comment though

[–]redditors_are_racist -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

That might be because you have terrible opinions

[–]NoMoreNicksLeft 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

"Terrible opinions" just means they don't agree with yours. So yes, exactly.

[–]redditors_are_racist -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I mean objectively, your opinions are pure trash and you would be ostracized and shamed irl for them

[–]Captain_Balko -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What an unintelligent thing to say.

I mean objectively, your opinions are pure trash

How does one measure the, ah, "trashiness" of an opinion objectively? By what system would one use? Because last I checked, it's impossible to "objectively" label an opinion trash. What you mean to say is that they don't align with yours, and therefore they must be garbage because you're so amazing.

and you would be ostracized and shamed irl for them

First of all, what opinions are you even talking about? Secondly, what a vague and ridiculous statement. Assuming you're talking about racist opinions (I mean, your name is "redditors are racist"), are you sure that no matter where this person lives they'd be shamed and ostracized for sharing their opinion? Your heavily American-centric viewpoint and bias is showing.

[–]ForceBlade -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Eh it is bullshit. I like to pretend SRD is a nice place where dramas are just like, archived to read and all but the 'Ban on Interaction through the NP window' just isn't enforced.

I very often see user comments from any SRD thread popping up with comments <5 hours ago[when posted @SRD] of the target thread that happened 12 hours earlier.

It really really doesn't help that NP.* just changes themes if avaliable and doesn't actually do anything.

How cool would it be if when you clicked an NP link, your account gets a mark next to it that prevents it from participating [literally read only mode] on a linked thread or subreddit for 1-24 hours or whatever a community wants it to be set at. A good trap that way.

[–]NoMoreNicksLeft -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Meh. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for technological solutions to that. I agree it sounds feasible though, and might make a difference.

As long as reddit succeeds as a business, no one's going to care if it succeeds as a forum. If it does, that's just a nice side effect.

[–]MillenniumFalc0n 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (3子コメント)

We do that, but unfortunately it doesn't prevent people from continuing to subscribe and invade if they so choose. Also we can only ban people for commenting, suspicious vote activity has to be forwarded to the admins.

[–]duckvimes_ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's all about the intentions, really. The mods work against brigading, so a sub ban would be unfair. Whereas with PCMR (a while ago) and /r/n***ers, the mods ignited or actively encouraged it.

[–]Gudeldar 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

They can't see voting though.

[–]duckvimes_ -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, no. But if for whatever reason they know you voted, they'd ban you.

[–]DJ_HoCake 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

How does that work if you are subscribed and have been an active user within that sub prior to the SRD link?

[–]duckvimes_ -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's an art and not a science, to be sure. But if the linked thread is a few days old and you comment there right after it's linked in SRD, you'll definitely get banned.

[–]moush 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

And how do they know someone was lead there from srd and not organically?

[–]duckvimes_ -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If the rest of the linked thread is a few days old, but your comment is very recent and came after the SRD post, it's logical to assume that you came from SRD. Similarly, if you comment in SRD and then comment on the linked thread, you probably came from SRD.

[–]robotortoise 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yeah, and they do a great job of it.

Still makes me wish for an official NP tool, though.

[–]duckvimes_ 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if they have one of the largest ban lists on Reddit.

[–]PlayMp1 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I expect them and /r/AskHistorians have a pretty ridiculous ban list (for non-spam users).

[–]duckvimes_ -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

/r/askscience, too. I'm assuming SRS has the largest.

[–]macinneb -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Seriously. SRS gets brigaded constantly, can only imagine the ban list.

[–]willfe42 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I love it when they taste their own poison.

[–]macinneb 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right, but still against the rules and the participating people should be banned.

[–]alien122 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

well they can't catch voting, and commenting isn't really against site rules. Just srd's rules.

[–]duckvimes_ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think commenting would fall under brigading. I might be wrong though.

[–]alien122 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

it really depends. If it's an individual, not much will happen. If the entire subreddit does it, then the ban hammer comes out.

[–]TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

commenting isn't really against site rules. Just srd's rules.

if you make a habit of it, you'll get spongebob'd too. seen it happen many times

[–]TheSystem_IsDown 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

God this whole thing is weird. "Hey fellow redditors, check out this sub drama going on." = good? "Hey fellow SRS warriors! Look what this asshole said!" = bad?

If the person links to np.reddit and doesn't ask you to vote or comment a certain way, then you should be free to remove the np. and reply if you feel the need to express your opinion in the thread. The only thing that is supposed to be forbidden is telling people to vote or comment a certain way.

[–]rydan 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mods can't catch anyone voting.

[–]hatessw 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

'Vote brigading' in that sense isn't even against reddit rules. You can share links with likeminded people who may be more likely to vote in line with your own votes. Similarly, 'np.reddit.com' is not a reddit feature at all. It is a hack that has seen no technical support from reddit inc. as far as I can tell.

You're just not allowed to ask for votes or use multiple accounts to vote redundantly.

Also, the first paragraph does not mean voting rings are allowed - the act of agreement of voting a certain way is also disallowed.

[–]ultronisright 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

And /r/fatpeoplehate. And /r/coontown. And /r/conspiracy. Quit whining about SJWs, there's worse on this website

[–]robotortoise 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Um, I'm not whining about SJWs. Anyone who uses that word is silly.

I love SRD, man. If anyone's an imaginary Social Justice Warrior, it'd be me! :P

[–]willfe42 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Oh ye gods yes. SRD especially love to churn out righteous brigades in the name of their own twisted brand of "justice."

[–]robotortoise -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Um, no they don't. Rule 4 is "Do not vote or comment in threads you've found through SRD" "This is a bannable offense"

SRD does everything it can to prevent brigades.

[–]willfe42 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Ah, I see. Well, there's a rule for it and everything! Guess that's all settled! Surely no one ever ignores it.

[–]Rsdd12 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You realize the mods are the ones who created the np. system? Ya know, the system designed to stop brigades? But I'm sure those mods don't actually take brigades seriously. They just made the system for no reason.

[–]robotortoise -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Did...did you seriously downvote me?

....Fuck this, I'm not talking with someone who ignores reddiquette.

[–]TotesMessenger 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This thread has been linked to from another place on reddit.

If you follow any of the above links, respect the rules of reddit and don't vote. (Info / Contact)

[–]Chavril 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

it's the same individuals