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[–]TotallyNotObsi -23 ポイント-22 ポイント  (65子コメント)

http://www.webmd.com/diet/20110816/study-obese-people-live-as-long-as-slimmer-people

[–]ryanjeb 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (55子コメント)

Hahahahahaha

[–]TynanSylvester 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Obese people who are otherwise healthy live as long as normal-weight people

What a dumb study. "Of the obese people who are lucky enough not to develop health problems from their obesity, none have health problems from their obesity."

[–]Raknarg 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

By healthy they mean live a healthy lifestyle.

[–]TynanSylvester 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reading the article, that's not the result of the study. The result is: it's possible to be obese and healthy, and that's more likely if you live a healthy lifestyle. Overall, though, obesity itself remains a massive health risk.

[–]s54b32dd 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

No, by "healthy" they mean that:

1) you're class 0 or 1 obese throughout the study (class 0 obese is more commonly referred to as "overweight", or BMI of 25-30 kg/m2; class 1 obese is "simply" obese, or BMI of 30-35 kg/m2).

2) You don't develop or aren't diagnosed with any "coexisting" conditions that are often seen more commonly in obese patients (the article specifically references "high blood pressure and diabetes").

3) You lead an active, healthy lifestyle; you eat healthy foods, meet nutritional goals, exercise regularly, and are otherwise healthy.

So, if you keep a BMI below 35, if you are not diagnosed with complications often associated with obesity, and if you exercise regularly and eat well, then there's no significant increased risk of dying from heart disease.

[–]Raknarg 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly, implying that fat itself and health are not necessarily directly correlated. There are certain effects that lots of fat can have on your body (eg high blood pressure, joint pressure), and the lack of a healthy lifestyle can lead to issues (eg. having lots of fat is a symptom of an issue that cam also lead to high cholesterol or heart problems ), but the presence of fat does not immediately make you an unhealthy human being. Fat is usually a symptom of other problems, but not always the issue itself, which is why people with a BMI below the limit they specified can still be labelled as healthy

[–]ulmon 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Only if they have an EOSS of 0/1. If they don't, they have a nearly double rate of mortality risk for cardiovascular disease, which is as expected.

In order for your point to have more of an impact, you'd have to point to a corresponding study that shows the distribution of obese people among the EOSS stages.

[–]Aboxingspacecraft 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Dude you are on reddit. Don't you know that the only thing these people hate more than "social justice warriors" are fat people.

It's incredible how ignorant people can be in the face of actual data. Kinda like global warming deniers or religious folk.

[–]Hara-Kiri 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, it is incredible how ignorant people can be in the face of actual data. The trouble is the actual data you talk about actually tells us the exact opposite of what you think it does.

[–]s54b32dd 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The stages are based on traditional measurements such as body mass index (BMI). A BMI of 30 or above is termed obese.

The system also takes into account clinical measurements such as high blood pressure and diabetes.

Those obese people in stages 2 or 3, who had moderate to severe co-existing medical conditions, were 1.6 to 1.7 times as likely as the normal-weight people to die from any cause during the follow-up.

They were more than two times as likely to die of a cardiovascular cause.

So what this says, is that as soon as you are diagnosed with an obesity-related illness (which is up to 2x as likely in the obese population as the "normal weight" folks), you are no longer considered a part of the study.

So. If you make it 16 years as an obese person, don't get diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes, don't have cardiovascular disease, and don't get other weight-related/"coexisting" medical issues, you're not expected to die any more than a normal weight person.

Which is not really a shocker; we all know that it's the complications from obesity (i.e. diabetes, cardiovascular disease, illness, etc.) that typically kill you early.

Thus, if you're lucky enough to be obese without complications, and if you are in stage 0 or 1 obesity (which basically means you're at a BMI of 35 or below), you're not significantly more likely to die of heart disease than a normal weight person.