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[–]dudenamedben 88 ポイント89 ポイント  (60子コメント)

Reddit has officially jumped the shark. What this is is a mea culpa admitting that their history of letting the community police itself hasn't worked (it has) and beginning a crackdown on expression/speech/communities the admins don't like.

It started with /r/jailbait... but I wasn't a ephebophile so I didn't speak up. Then they came for /r/thefappening, but I didn't speak up because I wasn't into fuzzy pictures of people I don't know. Then they came for /r/gamergate, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a gamer.

I'm speaking up now. This is a step in a VERY WRONG direction and will be the end of reddit as we know it if it's allowed to continue

Instead of promoting free expression of ideas, we are seeing our open policies stifling free expression

No, you're seeing expression you don't like and have decided to stifle that. If you're going to become a curated community of safe spaces and hugboxes, say that. If you're going to be a space for free expression, then you have to understand that some expression will offend your sensibilities. That's a GOOD THING. How else can one find out that they're wrong if not for challenging their own ideas?

I really hope that the reddit admins reconsider the path they're going down. Shadowbanning those who question Ellen Pao, banning communities that they don't like... digg fell for less than this. Reddit could very well be next.

Edit: It's really funny how immediately after this post was linked in SRS, the downvotes and shitty comments started. But they don't brigade. Nope. Good work, guys (Yes I said guys like the goddamn cishet white male shitlord I am.)

[–]DaedalusMinion 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

their history of letting the community police itself hasn't worked (it has)

Nice meme.

The community has never policed itself, the moderators have.

[–]ultimatemuffin 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, from reddit's perspective moderators are a part of the community.

[–]A_LITTLE_OLD_LADY 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Isn't r/gamergate astroturfed by the people who are against gamergate? thats pretty fucked up

[–]CryYourGreasyTears 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (5子コメント)

You get redirected to the antiGG sub.

[–]A_LITTLE_OLD_LADY 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (4子コメント)

thats the type of thing i would describe as harassment. deliberate topic misinformation. again, pretty fucked up.

[–]clodiusmetellus 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Tell it to r/trees.

[–]cameroncac 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Go to /r/marijuanaenthusiasts it has real plants.

[–]A_LITTLE_OLD_LADY 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

acceptable point but isn't trees a slang term for cannabis(not sure if it was before or after the creation of r/trees that it became in use), not exactly people who are anti-tree or inexplicably deceiving people who visit that sub.

[–]Will_Im_Not 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

thats the type of thing i would describe as harassment.

I'm curious, what is your definition of harassment?

[–]KindaConfusedIGuess 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

/r/gamergate never was an actual GG sub. It was squatted on by SJWs the same day the word GamerGate was invented and it posted nothing but anti-Gamergate content.

[–]CryYourGreasyTears 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

For actual gamergate content, /r/KotakuInAction. If that's not the circlejerk you're looking for, /r/gamerghazi is the exact thing, but antigamergate

[–]TotesMessenger 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (4子コメント)

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[–]cameroncac 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is harrassment!

[–]MuseofRose 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

HELP HELP. THEYRE BEING HARASSED!

[–]bjokey 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Worst part is, when people try to criticise SRS, the comment just gets posted there to try and brigade the unfortunate user.

[–]non_consensual 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

reported this bot for promoting harassment and sexism

[–]JackalKing 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (10子コメント)

I really don't like that you are lumping GamerGate in with potentially criminal activities... It sends an odd message.

[–]dudenamedben 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Neither sub was criminal. Creepy and immoral, yes. But neither sub was actively breaking any laws in the US. The people who stole the pictures absolutely were. But sharing them is a very grey area, legally (IANAL, could be wrong, but this is my understanding.) Likewise, taking pictures of things and people in public or in plain sight is completely legal, regardless of their age or your intent with the photos.

[–]JackalKing 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (8子コメント)

That is why I said "potentially".

Personally, I agree with jailbait being deleted. Probably even TheFappening too(haven't thought about that one too much). But my personal opinion doesn't actually matter, so that is a moot point.

It opened reddit up to possible legal trouble. I can completely understand them deleting those subs to protect themselves.

Its possible no laws at all were broken with the majority of content for r/jailbait, but I can understand the admins not wanting to take that risk.

TheFappening also opened them up to possible lawsuits.

Regardless, GamerGate(its actual sub being /r/KotakuInAction ) is completely unlike those other two though. There is no potential legal trouble from it. Its not a sub for sharing stolen photos, its a sub for exposing corruption in journalism, and dealing with censorship.

[–]laiki 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

its a sub for exposing corruption in journalism, and dealing with censorship

you mean it's a sub for whining about how SJW's are ruining everything

[–]JackalKing 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

There is a fair bit of whining about SJWs, but its usually because the two go hand in hand. The corrupt journalists hide behind their SJW friends, who then accuse anyone critical of them of being misogynists.

As this post here shows, the vast majority of KiA's content IS focused on journalism, ethics, corruption, and censorship.

[–]gowby -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

And getting women out of gaming.

[–]Meowsticgoesnya -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Clearly this is why they had all these boycott journalism days http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/search?q=Boycott+of+the+day&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevance&t=all

Because the absolute best way to scare women out of gaming is to message gaming journalism advertisers!

[–]gowby -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm FOR gamersgate...I know journalism is very much a part of it, but turning gaming back into a safe space for men is an important part too.

[–]Meowsticgoesnya 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Gaming shouldn't be a "safe space for men", if you want a safe space for yourself away from women make a private match and invite your friends.

Everyone should be free to do what they want, they can play games, they can do fashion modeling, who cares if they're male or female?

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    [–]gnoani 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    /r/gonewild has the potential to link to illegal or illegally-sourced (stolen) images.

    /r/thefappening was created solely to link to illegally-sourced (stolen) images.

    [–]thunder-cricket 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    If it gets too bad on reddit, you can always go to http://stormfront.com/

    [–]Ignitionmix 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    A worthy alternative takes it's place soon enough, It's happened before with Digg. Here is a list of potentially worthy alternatives I compiled earlier (courtesy of /r/redditalternatives):

    Snapzu - Very visual, lots of great articles and videos. XP and leveling adds fun and sense of progress.

    Empeopled - Gives you more influence based on the amount of up-votes you've received. Use influence to steer future of the site.

    The Needs - Seen this on twitter a lot, content seems a bit off (automated content maybe?).

    Hubski - Old school, had similar attention to voat a few years ago. Decent discussion but few members.

    Spreadit - Dark theme, doesnt seem all that different from reddit. Even the name is similar.

    Hacker News - Lots of business and programming talk but can also find some good misc discussion.

    Linkibl - No comment, seen it posted at /r/redditalternatives. Looks like pinterest for links.

    Voat - Almost direct clone that cropped up just recently.

    Lobsters - Techy invite only link sharing. Similar in look to hacker news.

    [–]random_word_username 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It started with /r/jailbait... but I wasn't a ephebophile so I didn't speak up. Then they came for /r/thefappening, but I didn't speak up because I wasn't into fuzzy pictures of people I don't know. Then they came for /r/gamergate, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a gamer. I'm speaking up now.

    OMG, please tell me this is a joke.

    [–]gypsyhobo3 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (18子コメント)

    Brigade brigade brigade

    You think pedophilia is justifiable

    Fuck your entire shit

    [–]Flowers_for_Algernop 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    You think pedophilia is justifiable

    You think Adolph Hitler was right.

    This is the thread for throwing out completely baseless accusations, right?

    [–]miamiflashfan 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I mean, he did imply that we should sympathize with ephebophiles pedophiles because they removed a sub that sexualized underage girls.

    Maybe we should be sympathizing with the girls whose pictures were taken and spread without their consent for the purpose of pedophiles on the internet to critique and jack off to?

    [–]gypsyhobo3 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    They came for the ephebophiles

    completely baseless

    get cucked

    [–]dudenamedben -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (14子コメント)

    Yep, how am I not surprised

    [–]gypsyhobo3 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (11子コメント)

    Wow, some image

    You support pedophilia and rape culture on some "lel, debate class" bullshit - you have no ground to stand on here - you're total trash.

    [–]dudenamedben 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (10子コメント)

    Is... is this the kind of harassment this VERY POST said reddit was going to stamp out?

    [–]gypsyhobo3 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (9子コメント)

    A critique of your shitty opinion is not harassment - supporting a "safe place" for pedophiles and rapists is harassment.

    [–]dudenamedben -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (8子コメント)

    you're total trash.

    So that's not a personal attack, which could lead me to "conclude that reddit is not a safe platform to express their ideas or participate in the conversation"

    [–]gypsyhobo3 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Your ideas support the active harm of innocent people - you shouldn't have a safe platform for that.

    [–]dudenamedben -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    How? Nothing I've said supports the harm of anyone. Taking pictures of people in plain view in a public space is legal, as they have no expectation of privacy. The SCOTUS has ruled on this a zillion times. I don't think we're in disagreement that using that to take pictures of minors for sexual reasons is disgusting, but it's not illegal, and doesn't cause them any direct harm.

    [–]gnoani 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    /r/thefappening was a clear and flagrant violation of personal privacy a thousand times over, and was created for that exact purpose.

    [–]gypsyhobo3 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Blah blah blah blah blah, fuck you

    Self-perpetuity of male sexual entitlement should be quashed.

    [–]laiki -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    How did you create images like that?

    [–]cloud-cover -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    It started with /r/jailbait... but I wasn't a ephebophile so I didn't speak up. Then they came for /r/thefappening, but I didn't speak up because I wasn't into fuzzy pictures of people I don't know. Then they came for /r/gamergate, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a gamer.

    So they're getting rid of the pedophiles, the amoral creeps, and the whining misogynists? God I'm fucking excited.

    [–]CryYourGreasyTears 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Way to absolutely miss the point.

    They're pruning the community and you're okay with it because you aren't that demographic. That is literally what the poem is about.

    The self awareness of you people is staggering.

    [–]miamiflashfan 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    WHY WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE underage girls whose pictures were taken and spread without their consent for the purpose of creepy guys on the internet to jerk off to PEDOPHILES?

    WHY WON'T SOMEONE THINK ABOUT THE people whose private pictures were stolen and spread without their consent PEOPLE JACKING OFF TO BORDERLINE ILLEGAL PHOTOS?

    [–]Ttabts 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    They're pruning the community and you're okay with it because you aren't that demographic.

    no, we're okay with it because the communities they're pruning are fucking terrible.

    That is literally what the poem is about.

    Yeah, except for the part where we're not talking about putting innocent people in death camps; we're talking about owners of a private website not allowing people to trade child porn and stolen private photographs using their servers. Are you really not seeing the distinction here?

    The self awareness of you people is staggering.

    Says the guy who seriously thinks that an internet forum devoted to sexualizing children getting shut down by its owners is something comparable with the Holocaust...

    http://myreactiongifs.com/gifs/jenniferlawrenceokaythumbup.gif

    [–]cloud-cover 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    "French men" is a demographic. "Pedophile" is a type of fucking criminal, and I'd burn reddit to the ground rather than share it with people who think theirs is a space worth protecting.

    [–]miamiflashfan 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    And yes, removing pedophiles and incredibly immoral pictures from the internet is absolutely comparable to the Holocaust.

    [–]JitGoinHam -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Then they came for /r/gamergate, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a gamer.

    What actions did the admins take against /r/gamergate? Didn't hear about that one. Sounds like bullshit to me.

    But I'm glad you posted this version of the poem. It's important to realize that having your account shadowbanned on reddit is literally comparable to the Holocaust. It's not like you can just create a new account and continue using reddit.

    Shadowbanning those who question Ellen Pao...

    There's zero evidence that ever occurred.

    ...banning communities that they don't like...

    The two examples of communities being shut down exposed the site owners to criminal and civil liability. If you expect illegal activities to find safe harbor on reddit, you have genuinely stupid expectations for the website.

    [–]JackalKing 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    What actions did the admins take against /r/gamergate[2] ? Didn't hear about that one. Sounds like bullshit to me.

    Well, not /r/gamergate (because that isn't the actual gamergate sub), but /r/KotakuInAction was basically told "If you even LINK to another subreddit or post its grounds for a ban." Now the people over there are very wary about linking to anything on reddit itself.

    Meanwhile, we have subreddits that are entirely set up for this purpose. SRS, bestof, etc.

    One set of rules was applied to the people the admins liked, and another set of rules to the people they didn't like.