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There are people on Chicago and Michigan protesting...male circumcision. (imgur.com)

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[–]faceeraseRoscoe Village 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

H.O.O.P.... is that you?

[–]IslaNublarLogan Square 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I never noticed that the whole 'activist' group was women. God that show is great.

[–]iforgot120Wicker Park 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh man I can finally wear my HOOP shirt!

[–]aelia-lamia 50 ポイント51 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yo it is a really archaic inhumane practice though

[–]alanthemanofchicagoBelmont-Cragin 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Chicago/Michigan is a bit far north, but I'm 99% sure that guy in the front with the beard is the same dude I see nearly once a week on various buses around Hyde Park. He's always wearing a anti-circumcision hat and T-shirt.

[–]_GuinnessThe Loop 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

"Hey lets circumcise this penis"

"OH GOD WHY WOULD YOU EVER CIRCUMCISE A CLITORIS!"

[–]heartbeatsLogan Square 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I have problems with male circumcision, but let's not pretend like it's the same as FGM. Removal of the clitoris and the nerve ending, and the sewing up of the labia, is in no way comparable to removal of the foreskin.

[–]k_kat 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There are four types of FGM, the type you are referring to, infibulation, is the most severe type and isn't that common.

Are you OK with the types that are less severe that male circumcision? In Malaysia they simply cut off a small piece of the female prepuce, or clitoral hood. (It is essentially the female foreskin as it develops from the same embryonic tissue) It's called sunat an they do it in a sterile doctor's office.

Are you aware that male circumcision as practiced in the US removes 20,000 of the same fine-touch nerve endings that are found in your lips and fingertips. For comparison, the clitoris only has 8,000.

[–]benjammin9292 -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Worth it.

[–]-DeoxyRNA-River North 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I wouldn't have consented to mine. Too late now though...

[–]jmg83 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Most people wouldn't have. Then, decades after the fact when it's too late to do anything about it, they talk about who glad they are it was done.

[–]Rudas_IskariotSkokie 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (8子コメント)

I like my circumcised penis

[–]ahyesBridgeport 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Same here, homie.

[–]redditin_at_work -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've thanked my parents for doing it, my gf has thanked me haha.

[–]witty_nomenclature -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Who doesn't?

[–]sirownski 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I definitely love his penis.

[–]Rudas_IskariotSkokie 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

ヽ（´ー｀）┌

[–]bizzoltz -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Word

[–]chiwebdevjsx 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

i like yours too

[–]RhodeLogan Square 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Infant genital mutilation is wrong, no matter the gender.

[–]redditin_at_work -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

As a survivor of male "genital mutilation", I think your grouping of both genders here is ignorant. Male circumcision is quite different from female genital mutilation.

[–]RhodeLogan Square 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sure, there are degrees of wrongness. But the wrongness of female genital mutilation doesn't diminish that of male genital mutilation.

[–]SueyPork 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why the ... ?

It's shitty to do it without consent. Times are changing.

[–]phrogxixForest Park 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (17子コメント)

Nice ellipses. I take it you don't understand their problems with it, but more and more people are realizing how unnecessary, archaic and brutal it can be. I wouldn't have consented to mine and consider it genital mutilation.

[–]IUhoosier_KCCO 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I wouldn't have consented to mine

i mean isn't that the case for all decisions that parents make for their kids? should parents not be allowed to vaccinate their kids because their kids don't consent? that's a weak argument if you ask me.

[–]wtfzorz 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Uhm, vaccinations might potentially save the child's life, as well as other lives from being unable to spread a disease. Not really the same deal with foreskin

[–]IUhoosier_KCCO 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Uhm, vaccinations might potentially save the child's life, as well as other lives from being unable to spread a disease.

there are plenty of side effects too (fyi: i'm a full supporter of vaccines).

replace vaccines with any tough decision:

  • getting surgery vs. taking medication

  • public vs. private school

  • any other medical issue

Not really the same deal with foreskin

sure, its not the same. but circumcision does reduce the risk of many STIs.

[–]hmbeast 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Except all of those decisions are only made because of immediate medical necessity. Circumcision is not.

[–]IUhoosier_KCCO 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Except all of those decisions are only made because of immediate medical necessity.

there are plenty of decisions made by parents of kids that are not out of immediate medical necessity. a parent makes every medical decision for their kids. every. single. one. and not all require immediate attention.

[–]k_kat 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Male genital cutting as practiced in the US removes the most sexually sensitive parts of the penis, destroys its gliding mechanism and dries out the glans.

I can understand why he's upset.

[–]lifeInCHIJefferson Park[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (10子コメント)

I'm not taking a stand, I just found the protest strange and wanted to share it here.

[–]bizzoltz -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Meanwhile: Earth is being destroyed, the city is going bankrupt, the state is falling to pieces, ISIS controls Iraq and Syria, bombs are falling in Yemen, Ukraine is being ripped apart, el nino, the rich are getting richer, the poor are becoming poorer, population, food security, aliens, comets, volcanoes, ravenous bears roam the city streets.... No, let's talk about penises.

[–]chipjet 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

True, but isn't it cool how different people have different priorities they choose to take stands on? The diversity of issues that need to progress in the world are almost endless, but luckily there are motivated people on all sides of all the issues to help encourage debate.

Yeah - sometimes these people can be absurdly annoying, but people taking stands on things is what moves the country forward (or prevents it from moving). These people help educate the public and when one finally strikes a chord with the public it can really get traction. Nothing progresses without people like this, even if their issue seems miniscule to us in the grand scheme of things.

[–]purplenightsky 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Do you really blame them?

Why Ultra-Orthodox Jewish Babies Keep Getting Herpes

[–]leaveittobeverNear North 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Metzitzah b’peh (MBP), the orogential (mouth to genitals) suctioning of blood from the penis of an infant male following circumcision, poses one of the most unique and upsetting public health issues.

WTF?

[–]derppoolthulu 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Baby blowjobs, it's a Jewish thing, you wouldn't understand.

[–]Xzachtheman 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (3子コメント)

its not a jewish thing. as a jew, i am disgusted by the ultra orthodox for this and other reasons. they are the jewish equivalent of isis.

[–]OhEmGeeBasedGod 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

But it is a Jewish thing.

[–]derppoolthulu 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sorry my humor insulted your religion.

[–]IUhoosier_KCCO 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

second this. flying el-al made me a self-hating jew.

[–]bettorworse 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I got a letter from my health club that started "Dear member" - I thought that was unnecessary. I mean, REALLY!

[–]djb2287 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'd rather get it done as an infant and have no memory of it than later on in life when I could actually remember it.

[–]whitedawg 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Hmm, what if those weren't the only two options?

[–]djb2287 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

But I like my ween the way it is

[–]whitedawg 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Do you think you'd stop liking it if it were different?

[–]ItsScriabinAwhile 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (6子コメント)

There are health benefits to male circumcision. I'm not saying those benefits necessarily outweigh other concerns, but it is a very false equivalency to say it is just the same as female genital mutilation which leaves females unable to enjoy sex.

[–]ig0tworms 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Other than less cleaning what are the health benefits, you can be a slob for longer without dick cheese build up?

[–]ItsScriabinAwhile 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reduces some STDs and some cancers. It's not just about not being dirty.

[–]linziboo 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's not a LOT of health benefits. Most of the world is uncircumcised, it is only mostly Americans and people that are strongly religious that are circumcised.

An uncircumcised penis functions the same as a circumcised penis - so why bother?

[–]neoblackdragon 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The benefits are rendered moot in the US when we have easy access to clean water and soap. There is no good reason for most babies to get it.

[–]longshank_s -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Your response puts 3 questions in my mind:

1) Do you think that every type/degree of FGM leaves every woman female victim 100% unable to enjoy sexual intercourse?

2) Do you think that victims of male circumcision do not suffer a loss of sexual pleasure?

3) Would you advocate for the surgical removal of lips and cheeks because it would make teeth easier to clean?

[–]purplenightsky 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Considering that the clitoris is removed, I'm fairly certain that the vast majority of women are not able to experience orgasms post genital mutilation. Very, very few women orgasm via penetration alone. Furthermore, female genital mutilation causes severe psychological trauma, sometimes for the rest of the woman's life.

Both are awful but they are not at all comparable. Stop implying that they are.

[–]leaveittobeverNear North 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (24子コメント)

Can someone explain to me why you are so upset to be circumcised besides the fact that, yes, it was done without your consent? How has it had an affect on your life otherwise?

[–]redwormSouth Loop 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (14子コメント)

I think the fact that it was done without consent is a pretty major reason to be upset about it. The loss in sensation is also pretty significant since, again, the child had no choice.

We call it genital mutilation when it happens to girls but for boys it's supposed to be a simple "get over it".

[–]froibo 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Female genital mutilation is no where near in the same ballpark. The pain can last their whole life during intercorse, making sex completely undesirable for them.

Circumcision might be an outdated and pointless practice, but they just aren't comparable.

[–]redwormSouth Loop 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm not comparing them but they both fit the definition of the word.

[–]froibo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So does some forms of plastic surgery if you want to be semantic about it. The definition is a loose match to say the least.

[–]JQuilty 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Circumcision does harm because it removes slack skin and makes erections painful in many cases, as well as removing its natural lubrication.

[–]froibo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've never heard of that, but at least the head of the penis is still in tact and the nutsack isn't sown onto the thighs.

[–]IUhoosier_KCCO 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (6子コメント)

the child had no choice.

isn't that the case for a lot of things? should parents not be allowed to get their kids vaccinated because it is done without consent? and if you are saying it is a different scenario because of herd immunity, let me remind you that circumcision lowers your risk of STIs.

parents make decisions for their kids all of the time before they turn 18. if this is the major concern, it is a pretty weak one.

[–]redwormSouth Loop 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

There's no harm in vaccines, though.

The significance of that lower risk of STIs is very debatable.

The concern of a lot of guys who wish they'd had a choice is just as valid as any other. The benefits do not necessarily outweigh the costs.

[–]IUhoosier_KCCO 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's no harm in vaccines, though.

there are plenty of side effects when it comes to vaccines.

The significance of that lower risk of STIs is very debatable.

fair enough. the fact that it is debatable means there is at least some merit. but wikipedia doesn't seem to indicate that it is debatable.

The concern of a lot of guys who wish they'd had a choice is just as valid as any other. The benefits do not necessarily outweigh the costs.

ok, but why would you outlaw parents from making this decision, while letting parents make any other decision for their kids they want. if a 10 year old has a choice between getting surgery and taking medication, should the parent not get any say in this matter?

i just don't see how forcing a baby to get circumcised is any different than any other decision a parent makes for his/her kids.

[–]linziboo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

The difference with vaccines and circumcision is that vaccines are making sure you don't get sick and is like a very very good idea.

If male circumcision was so popular, why doesn't EVERYONE get circumcised? Most males in Europe aren't circumcised.

[–]IUhoosier_KCCO 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The difference with vaccines and circumcision is that vaccines are making sure you don't get sick and is like a very very good idea.

but there are plenty of side effects that come with vaccines. i'm a full supporter of getting vaccinated, but going by your logic, parents shouldn't be able to make that decision for their kids.

change vaccines to any issue that is debatable. how about getting surgery vs. taking medication? what about public vs. private school? i could keep going.

If male circumcision was so popular, why doesn't EVERYONE get circumcised? Most males in Europe aren't circumcised.

you are moving the goalposts now. i'm not talking about popularity. i'm talking about parents being able to make that decision for them.

[–]linziboo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

My point is that some things are necessary and required for parents to make the decision for them. Circumcision is not one of those things. The medical benefits of circumcision (STD protection etc) doesn't happen until they're like 12-13-14 years old - and at that age you can have a discussion with your child and ask them/encourage them to get a circumcision if they so wish.

[–]IUhoosier_KCCO 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

My point is that some things are necessary and required for parents to make the decision for them. Circumcision is not one of those things.

how is circumcision different from any other medical decision a parent makes for their kids? every. single. medical. decision. is made by the parents.

The medical benefits of circumcision (STD protection etc) doesn't happen until they're like 12-13-14 years old - and at that age you can have a discussion with your child and ask them/encourage them to get a circumcision if they so wish.

no thanks, i'd much rather get it when i don't remember and can't feel anything.

but that is a decision you can make for your kids if you so wish. it is one of many medical decisions that you make on behalf of your child.

[–]turtletoucher 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm still on the fence on this issue but one of the problems I have is how people refer to it as "mutilation" as if it's some sort of brutal, savage act. There are horrible, actual acts of genital mutilation that go on in the world and comparing male circumcision at birth to forcibly removing entire parts of the female anatomy truthfully takes away from the arguments against it.

[–]redwormSouth Loop 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Many people do see circumcision as a brutal, savage act. Mutilation is not reserved for only one degree of this, it doesn't take anything away from the issue of female genital mutilation to share the word with another act. I'm not claiming that they're equivalent in severity or harm but that doesn't mean it's anything but mutilation of someone's genitals.

[–]lifeInCHIJefferson Park[S] 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm not upset at all. The protest just struck me funny when I saw it...felt it was worth sharing for discussion.

[–]leaveittobeverNear North 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sorry, didn't mean you personally. I was addressing anyone who is upset about being circumcised. I was curious if it has affected them in any way besides when it was done.

[–]sirownski 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

It affects sensation, number one. I think there's some other more health-related reason that I've forgotten now.

[–]leaveittobeverNear North 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (5子コメント)

But there's still plenty of sensation being circumcised. How much does it really affect it? Can we even quantify it?

[–]sirownski 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'm not a doctor so I'm really not the best person to ask. :/

However, as an experienced giver of head, I can tell you that the sensation is VERY different. And so is technique because of how sensitive the head of the penis is when it's covered by skin all the time. Basically the head of the penis and a clitoris are the same thing, so it's like if my clit was exposed to fabric and friction all the time instead of being protected by my vaginal lips.

Again, not a doctor.

[–]gravityplanx 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

If this is true, it stands to reason you could reaquire that sensation by purchasing a large set of very very soft (satin?) underwear.

[–]sirownski 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Do you work for LuluLemon?

[–]gravityplanx 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

..................................................................no?

[–]sirownski 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because that's probably the next shit they're going to come out with. "Silky smooth... just like your foreskin."

[–]derppoolthulu 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well it is sort of bullshit to cut off the foreskin which contains most of the nerve endings. Making sex less pleasuable vs men who still have said nerve endings attached. Wish I had a choice to keep or loose mine rather than some asshole doctor spreading lies and religious doctrine to their patients newborn.

Most people just laugh even though it's no different than female genital mutilation, circumcision is just accepted by our society.

Edit: You probably don't need to know this but during family gathers I always end up bringing it up so my family members get the idea to not do it to their kids because they might end up holding a grudge. I cannot save my own foreskin but I can shave the skins of my soon to be born family members.

[–]winterdNorthbrook 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

during family gathers I always end up bringing it up

This might not be having the effect you think it's having.

[–]spacetimecommando -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Male Circumcision significantly reduces your chances of getting an STD. It also prevents you from getting dick cheese if you don't clean down there. There is no evidence that suggests it decreases pleasure. They're not cutting off your dick, just removing the foreskin. Feel free to down vote me, just remember you can't down vote science.

[–]neoblackdragon 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ie wear a condom and wash yourself.

[–]analogkid01Logan Square 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's actually not science, that's statistics. And there are less barbaric ways to achieve the same results.

[–]photo777Lincoln Square 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It wasn't until the late 19th century that circumcision garnered medical backing...as a way to curb masturbation. As for the other issues, wear a condom and wash your dirty dick. Problem solved.

[–]linziboo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

If male circumcision significantly reduces your chances of getting an STD, why aren't ALL males circumcised by default?

Wash your penis, wear a condom, and don't fuck people that aren't clean.

"There's no evidence that suggests it decreases pleasure." Idk but this looks like pretty solid evidence

[–]kodt 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because it was medically recommended in the USA for a long time, but not in Europe. The medical community does not always have consensus.

After a long time it became culturally normal in many parts of the US, especially the midwest. While it was not culturally normal in Europe.

It isn't that hard to explain. There are some health benefits, but also negatives. A clean healthy person probably won't see any benefits from it.

Honestly I don't think it is a huge deal either way. It isn't really comparable to female genial mutilation.

[–]longshank_s 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is no evidence that suggests it decreases pleasure. They're not cutting off your dick, just removing the foreskin. Feel free to down vote me, just remember you can't down vote science. Lol.

U R DUM

[–]abicepgirl 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

yo don't touch that baby's dick

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[–]k_kat 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

These people are awesome! Brother K and his crew.

[–]wuzzupWest Loop 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Neat!

[–]froibo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I must admit, the blood on the crotch is a nice touch.

[–]enough_space -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

As opposed to female circumcision?