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[–]sargent610 -45 ポイント-44 ポイント  (22子コメント)

For me bottling isn't black and white. Using a bot to fish for raid food for the raid team is a lot better then a bot for BGs.

[–]mackpack 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Using a bot to fish for raid food is still lost sales for people who fished legitimately.

[–]schroet 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Botting is breaking the rules. If you dont agree, dont play the game.

[–]Technically_Homeless 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (6子コメント)

So producing unnatural amounts of food/reagents is ok? So the people who do hard work get less because the AH is flooded.

No. All types of botting gives them an upperhand towards players who don't. Whether it's fishing, leveling alts, garrison spam, proffesions, honor farming or whatever. It gives people an edge over those who don't and it affects everyone paying for this game and follows the rules and agreements. It's completly black and white so fuck people who bot and fuck people trying to bring sympathy to botters. You're only being a part of it normalizing 'casual' botting whichw in turn normalizes the more extreme botting.

[–]GW_throwaway69 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm actually really surprised, that at least on my server, this hasn't been the case. Or maybe people just bot more profitable things. I used to fish a lot when I was bored (as opposed to now, I just don't log in when I'm bored). Somehow, the price of fish is still surprisingly high on my server, despite how easy it would be to bot it in the garrison. Prices will drop down to about 200g/stack sometimes on Monday, but by Tuesday it's always back up over 500g/stack across all food types.

I fully expected that when I transferred to this new high-pop server that the price of fish would be extremely low, because it would only take a dozen or so serious botters to bottom that market out entirely. But it never seemed to happen.

[–]Bootiesqt -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

The AH is rarely flooded because of botters. Even if they are sitting on a large amount of mats, they are smart enough to not list them all.

I don't necessarily condone botting, but this witch hunt attitude and saying "fuck botters they are scum" is a bit extreme and degrades the conversation.

[–]Technically_Homeless 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

How? They are breaking the rules and agreements they clearly agreed to when they made their account.

The only conversation we should have about botters is that it's bad and they should feel bad for doing it. There is no grey area where it's alright because it doesn't affect anyone. It's against the rules, it's a banable offence and now that people have, people who play legitimatly are happy as shit that the cheaters are getting sorted by blizz.

[–]Bootiesqt -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I never said it wasn't against the TOS and that it doesn't affect people. I am just saying that the vulgar approach to it doesn't help the community as a whole. They got banned, they got what they deserved, no need to beat a dead horse.

[–]Technically_Homeless 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

On the contrary, this isn't the first time blizz has banned botters. The fact that there are so many this time (i've never known anyone being banned for botting and now 7 people from my guild did) shows that this has been normalized lately and people seem to have had the mindset that it's okay because everyone does it.

Now that blizz has shown they are and will be tough on cheating (account sharing, botting, exploits etc) it's time the community does the same. Don't let guildies who got banned for botting join your guild again, until their ban is up (if they use a 2nd account). Make sure the forums and other wow communities (such as this) are filled with people sharing their views on cheating. It's time we take back the community making an effort to better the game and gamers.

[–]LooksAtGoblinMen 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't necessarily condone botting, but this witch hunt attitude and saying "fuck botters they are scum" is a bit extreme and degrades the conversation.

What fucking conversation? Botters are cheaters. Cheaters don't deserve to play the game. There's no fucking conversation to be had.

[–]jongiplane 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's WORSE than people that bot BGs because you're then affecting the economy, instead of just a short game with only some honor on the line.

[–]83xlxinsocal 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

the point is they are breaking the rules, be it for the benefit of themselves or of the "team" it doesn't matter. still cheating.

it would be like Tom Brady using the "but I was under-inflating the balls so the team would win, not so I would have better passing stats and look like a better player" excuse. still bullshit.

[–]ojconcentrate 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Sorry buddy, while I get what you are saying, your opinion is not a popular one around here. Botters are seen as the scum of the earth.

[–]Quantization 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Botting is cheating. Why should you be able to bot when others cant? It's against TOS full stop. I don't think they're scum, but if you do it you take the risk and have zero rights to complain.

[–]ojconcentrate 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't think he's complaining, He lost his account, he's paid the price. I think he's just trying to say that there is a difference between garrison automation bot and BG botting and the punishment should be proportional. I agree with him even if I don't agree that he should be using bots at all.

[–]Quantization 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I never said he was complaining. I just meant generally.

[–]Swineflew1 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yea, it's weird that people hate when they do things legit and follow the rules and someone else decides that it's ok to cheat and reap the same rewards with no effort.
"Fishing sucks and I won't do it for raid food" ok cool, so instead of buying mats on the AH, cheating is the answer!

[–]Dirtnose -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

You're gonna get downvoted and so am I, but I have a similar opinion.

I started my MMORPG's with SWG, which was also very heavily botted, but with in game macros. This was not against the rules until the NGE in 2005, so I'm used to having automated actions within a game.

I have no problem with botters if they're doing something solo (questing to level, grinding to level). HOWEVER, I do take huge issue with botters in multiplayer aspects such as BG's, dungeons, raids and even profession wise.

Then again, my opinion means nothing because it's against the WoW rules to bot at all.

[–]sargent610 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I agree and even with it against ToS that's like saying this guy who murdered someone deserves the same punishment as the guy who lifted a pack of gum from the gas station. IMO there are degrees to cheating.

[–]Dirtnose -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Holy shit you got downvoted like crazy.

Nice to see someone who shares the same opinion as me though.

[–]sargent610 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't give a fuck about karma the upvote system is supposed to facilitate discussion to bad people wield it like a weapon to beat down things they don't agree with

[–]Vodakhun -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I don't think they should give the same importance as bg/raid/gold farming botters (things that can ruin the experience for other people) to people who used it just for leveling/garrison, which is just a way to save time and hurts no one. Of course it's against the ToS and they deserve a ban, but imho a 6 month ban for first time offenders is too much. I know if they banned me for 2 weeks and told me the next one would be a permanent one, I wouldn't ever touch a bot again, and I would keep playing (and paying) these next 6 months.

Edit: my English sucks