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[–]theaxolotlgod 133 ポイント134 ポイント  (25子コメント)

The fact that the asscrack guy got banned for his photos and this guy is not only allowed to keep playing, but is getting huge amounts of support, is disgusting to me and really shows the priorities of the community. My boyfriend plays Magic and while discussing the issue with him, all I could say was "well, it turns out to be really lucky that so many women feel alienated by the community, because it's really showing it's not a safe environment for them".

He did not "serve his time". He served three months of an eight year sentence, and imo eight years is far too little. It's like the people in the Chris Hansen thread who were more upset about people calling out pedophiles than about the actual pedophilia.

[–]Commisar 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I agree.

His ass should have been locked up for the entire sentence. Ohz and he gets a full ride to law school and his "civil rights" restored. Screw him. I hope he gets disbarred.

[–]livefreeordont 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Luckily he's not in the bar... Yet

[–]Aero06 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The only thing more horrifying than a rapist getting off scot free is that rapist turning around and becoming successful in the field of law. For the love of God, I hope someone with a sense of moral decency is overseeing bar admissions.

[–]Commisar 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I really bioe someone with some sense denies the shit out of his application.

[–]livefreeordont 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well there is a good moral character requirement that is probably the thing holding him back

[–]Williamfoster63 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He says that this is what is holding him back; he was told to reapply in six months. That's just a denial of entry. I don't know if VA does in person character interviews like NY does, but I'd love to be a fly on the wall for that.

[–]clintmccool 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (17子コメント)

I used to love that game. Still one of the best games I've ever played. But I came to the gradual realization that the community as a whole is just... often really disgusting. And okay with being disgusting. And kind of celebrates it sometimes.

It's really a shame. Sometimes the stereotypes are true.

[–]theaxolotlgod 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (11子コメント)

I try not to take too much stock in stereotypes, but when I tried to support my boyfriend by going to a Magic tournament with him I was blown away by how accurate the stereotypes are. I can absolutely believe that women (or anyone not a cis white man) would feel unsafe there. It's a shame too, considering how community-driven the game is.

[–]clintmccool 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (10子コメント)

It is really something, isn't it? I used to play casually with some friends every couple weeks, my girlfriend at the time learned to play and thought it was a blast (because it is, in the safety of your own kitchen). The small store we went to sometimes was run by a really cool guy who had his young kids in there all the time, the group was really friendly and was composed of all ages, genders, and races. Very laid-back, friendly, supportive environment full of people who liked to play to relax every couple of weeks or so.

Then we decided "hey wouldn't it be fun to go check out a tournament some weekend?"

Boy, was that an eye-opener. Really pretty shocking. And very disappointing. I am a cis white man and I felt extremely uncomfortable. If you're not a bitter, entitled, unhygienic, easily frustrated, racist, misogynistic cis white male you're pretty much going to be out of place.

[–]_demian 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What made you so uncomfortable? I don't understand this. I play regularly with a group of diverse, open minded people, and the majority of people I've met over the course of my time playing the game fit that bill. At tournaments and the multiple stores I've attended. Trans, non-cis, non-white, non-male, hygienic people play the game and they have numbers. Most of the people at my local store match at least two of those descriptors. I don't agree with the way the subreddit handled this issue, but bashing the magic community using stereotypes seems a little ironic for this sub.

[–]clintmccool 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

My experience unfortunately doesn't match yours, apparently. The small shop I played at was absolutely fine.

The larger tournament scene in the area I lived in was not.

There were "more normal" people there, for sure, but they were outweighed (in numbers and in impact of presence) by people that were awful. I'm not bashing using stereotypes, I'm just saying that my multiple experiences with various scenes at various levels unfortunately confirmed a lot of those stereotypes.

I'm glad you have positive memories, though! That gives me some hope for the game.

[–]FlamingBearAttack 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Is the poor hygiene thing really true? I think I remember reading about a tournament that asked players to shower.

[–]clintmccool 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Anecdotally, yes it is. I was surprised by how true that particular stereotype was in some places.

I used to play in a small town that's known for being active and in shape, and it was much less of an issue there. But outside that little bubble...

[–]InStrangeAeons 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It is. People deny it as a "stereotype", but it is an issue in the community.

My LGS constantly has a fogbank of nerd stank rolling out of the back where they play.

It's why I've decided to just collect, crack packs, and play with my girlfriend. Fuck that. If you can afford a competitive modern deck, you can buy soap.

[–]wak90 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Whenever someone complains about this sort of thing, it kind of annoys me.

You were part of that community and you could have made a difference but you didn't. You left it. Its partially on you.

[–]hybridtheorist 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do you argue against every racist/sexist post in the defaults, or have you left those communities?
Their quality is partially on you.

[–]drawlinnn 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not this user's fault that the magic community is filled with bigoted losers.

I would leave too. Who gives a fuck enough about a dumbass card game to do al that?

[–]clintmccool 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I did make a difference in the small community I was a part of.

I don't think it's even partially "on me" to dedicate my life to telling grown men to act like real human beings. And if it "partially" is, that fraction is completely statistically insignificant compared to how much is "on them."

What you're basically saying is it's up to people like me to shepherd and instruct the poor huddled masses because darn it, they just can't help being pieces of shit! It's in their nature! How can you just abandon them like that, they don't know any better!

[–]tankintheair315 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Come play netrunner. It's a much better community.

[–]clintmccool 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well, the reasons I quit MTG that didn't have to do with the horrible community involved other hobbies, less free time, and most importantly, saving money. I don't know if my wallet can handle getting back into CCGs.

[–]tankintheair315 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I feel you there. Mtg is crazy expensive. Netrunner is an lgc and pretty cheap however.

[–]Glurky_Spurk 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You can play online for free over Cockatrice. I have 0 interest in spending hundreds of dollars on cards, but playing with my homies over Cockatrice is fun.

Also, after this I have literally 0 urge to ever go to a live magic event ever.

[–]clintmccool 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I did use to do that as well (used to? That past tense is weird) but it's a huge rabbit hole of procrastination haha.

Yeah live events can be gross. Unfortunately, if you want to get better at the game (and I did at that time) and play competitively (I did want that too) you kinda have to go to live events.

Fortunately for my wallet, my other interests, and my faith in humanity, I'm not really into that anymore.

[–]sugarazor 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The asscrack thing is really awful too though. Taking a picture of someone's exposed ass and posting it without their consent is a form of sexual assault as well. But if you're going to ban someone for that and not rape, that's absurd.

[–]askinnydude 96 ポイント97 ポイント  (2子コメント)

[–]Commisar 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The most rage inducing part of that story is that parts of it ring true.

[–]antibread 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's how the onion is. Funny story, funny story, then something that just hits a little too close to home

[–]Meggywen 185 ポイント186 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Yeah, this is the one that's getting me to back away from the metasphere. I avoid the majority of reddit but seeing the shit stew here just doesn't alleviate anything. The poor girl still got horribly raped, her attacker got off easy (his 3 month sentence allowed him work release for fuck sake), and the worst that happens to the guy now is he might become a pariah at a gaming tournament; but he's also getting tons of support and affirmation while his victim gets nothing.

I've been sexually assaulted several times and that same feeling of dark, cynical hopelessness that filled me then fills me now, reading this. You know what I mean? This is a perfect showcase that reddit is full of it when they downplay their enthusiasm for false rape accusation stories as a "desire for justice"; bull fucking shit! It's another way to dismiss women who get raped by guys who don't fear rape or the culture surrounding it because they're not the main target.

There's no "smug joy" pointing this out; it's so nightmarishly depressing to know that nearly all the women who get raped don't see justice for it, and that girl whose now in her 30's (if she's still alive) is another example of that. She may have gotten justice on the books, but everyone, whether they admit it or not, knows there's no justice in what he did to her vs the consequences he faced. I could seriously cry over this.

[–]uggmun 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I'm sorry to hear that.

The fact that some Redditors can be so hell-bent on unraveling a conspiracy, so disconnected with reality that they assume rape accusations are often false & done for the woman's gain, and so narcissistic that they complain about how fucking rape is disturbing their shitty card game is so infuriating.

I need a Reddit alternative.

[–]TheBetterStory 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Tumblr kind of goes too far the other way sometimes, but follow the right people and you'll see nothing but a flood of reassuringly sane opinions. I tend to use it for breaks from Reddit.

[–]s460 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I honestly don't know how to use tumblr.

[–]drawlinnn 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I NEVER get angry on tumblr.

Tumblr is a better website with a better userbase. I seriously don't even know why i still come this shithole of a site.

[–]BroadCityChessClub 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's way easier to have a conversation on reddit. That's the only thing that keeps me here; engaging with people I don't know at a brisk pace. It only works when you make sure those people aren't rape apologists or whatever, though, which is one hell of a step to have to take.

[–]gingervitis16 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (1子コメント)

God damn, as if the point doesn't stick hard enough, the point that really hit home for me was "(if she's still alive)". That shit's fucked up, suicide is no fucking joke, how the fuck do these people live with themselves supporting a man that has traumatically changed her life?

Also sorry to hear it, seriously hope you're doing better.

[–]Meggywen 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am, thank you. I have caring parents, friends, and a loving SO that helped me move on, but, not everyone gets that or feels secured by that; those are the girls and women I feel sorry for and who've kept me awake at night after speaking with.

[–]TerkRockerfeller 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That sucks to hear, I'm sorry. Redditors are human feces

[–]vodkast 311 ポイント312 ポイント  (14子コメント)

Hang on a minute...I thought an accusation of rape, even if it doesn't lead to a conviction, is supposed to ruin a man's life so utterly and completely that it's worse than actually being raped? And yet here's this chucklefuck who definitely, unambiguously, unapologetically raped a girl, got convicted for it, yet only spent three months in jail a work release program and was later awarded a full ride scholarship to law school.

It's almost like we live in a culture that is unwilling to recognize the seriousness or prevalence of rape. A "rape culture", if you will. Especially when a comment like this

My guess is that in his case the plea bargain was offered because there were some extremely extenuating circumstances, but he cannot discuss those details (nor should he). DAs go after sexual offenders really viciously because of potential political backlash.

has a score of 130+, which essentially implies, "Since a plea bargain was offered, maybe it wasn't actually rape."

[–]madeofghosts 63 ポイント64 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It turns out that not only are false rape accusations worse than rape, but now so are true rape accusations.

[–]uggmun 78 ポイント79 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Bonus if she spermjacks him as well. Then she gets a full ride through life and a new BMW through child support while he will have literally no money for the rest of his life.

[–]OpieKid 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Haha Jesus Christ, I was actually just discussing Reddit's strange hatred of child support in another sub. Oh noes, you have to actually support the little human you created? Misandry of the utmost degree

[–]itsjh 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I just can't get over this. Rapist? 3 months? Work release to complete his fucking internship? What the actual fuck?

[–]gavinbrindstar 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yup. His family's loaded and connected.

[–]_demian 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Source? Edit: am I not allowed to ask this?

[–]Caelum_Cantorus 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

When you're super rich, you can get away with pretty much anything, least of all rape. This affair is so beyond disgusting.

[–]Gapwick 153 ポイント154 ポイント  (8子コメント)

TIL a feminist only got sentenced to a three-month work-release program after falsely accusing a man of rape

TIL a black man only got sentenced to a three-month work-release program after permanently maiming someone while playing the knockout game

TIL a woman only got sentenced to a three-month work-release program after killing two people in a drunk driving accident

I imagine those threads would play out rather differently, but since he is a white man guilty of violently raping a woman, all criticism is immediately dismissed. The mods are even out there deleting comments expressing any kind of outrage.

[–]WatchEachOtherSleep 107 ポイント108 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oddly enough, the people in that thread aren't in the mood for playing reddit's favourite game: REVERSE THE GENDERS!

Like, can you even imagine the outrage if a woman who violently raped an unconcious man & only served a three month sentence not only posted on that subreddit, but posted looking for support.

[–]slowmotionjohns 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's currently a couple of articles on r/all complaining about a talk show crowd mocking a victim of male domestic abuse. Which is pretty awful in itself, but it's pretty clear that these issues are only important when it happens to a man.

[–]Sodaholic 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The mods are even out there deleting comments expressing any kind of outrage.

You'd think that the whole nazi mods shit would pop up. Freezepeaches and all.

[–]TerkRockerfeller 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (3子コメント)

To be fair that last one might warrant some outrage as 2 deaths is arguably worse than 1 rape

[–]Eternal_Reward 59 ポイント60 ポイント  (0子コメント)

ALL of them should warrant some outrage. The problem is that people will focus on who is doing the crime over what the crime is.

And why are we comparing crimes? Rape is bad, murder is bad. Lets leave it at that. We don't need to compare the two.

[–]Gapwick 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (0子コメント)

In California, vehicular manslaughter while intoxicated carries a maximum sentence of "up to a year in county jail and can include a fine of up to $1,000". If charged as a felony it goes up to "16 months, 2 or 4 years in county jail and can include a fine of up to $10,000." You pretty much have to intentionally kill someone with your car for the punishment to equal a rape conviction.

I'm not gonna go into which I think is worse, but in the eyes of the law, it seems pretty clear. Yet all he got was a three-month internship, and, judging from his post, the conviction hasn't even inconvenienced him, and people are still adamant that his debt to society has been paid, the system has done its job, his conscience is clean (even though he won't even admit to having done anything wrong), and that to just not be nice to him counts as unjust punishment.

Everything about this case is so utterly fucked up, all the way from his abhorrent rape to his "conviction" to his countless present day admirers. If this was any other crime, reddit would be having a collective fit of outrage: a snot-nosed shitheel getting off scot-free because he has rich and connected parents. It's one of the thing they claim to hate the most.

It's just too bad he's also a rapist, because as long as you aren't black, Muslim or Indian, that seems to trump everything else.

[–]bigDean636 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're missing the point. The point is, the only crimes reddit cares about are ones that reinforce their shitty views.

[–]anhaseyo 120 ポイント121 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Reddit has a long history of sympathising with rapists. Even the mods of that subreddit, /u/s-mores and /u/ubernostrum are in on it.

Take a look: https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/35rw60/word_gets_out_on_rmagictcg_that_a_professional/cr7qmio

Oh btw, just came across this in the thread:

No, I think I'll be keeping my pitchfork for Drew Levin, LSV and co. People have a legal right to know, but that doesn't mean it's right to actively trumpet it to the world. To dismiss an entire decade's worth of life, deny his humanity, and reduce him to his darkest moment, what they did was absolutely despicable. I've lost all respect for them.

You mean his darkest moment when he anally and vaginally raped an unconscious stranger, then used his connections to get off as lightly as was legally possible?

[–]TerkRockerfeller 76 ポイント77 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"It was the lowest I had been in my life... Almost having to face the consequences of my actions!"

[–]OpieKid 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Holy fuck, that comment actually made me so fucking mad. A "darkest hour" is selling your most valued possession for drug money, or walking out on your spouse and kids for a few days. Not fucking RAPING a person and getting away with it.

[–]thefx37 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Welcome to reddit, where false rape accusations are more damning than actually raping someone.

[–]bTwYclUiFAfFNdr4VjPY 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Alternatively, Welcome to reddit, where rapists(male) and paedophiles are more welcomed than women and minorities.

[–]Jazz-Sandwich 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Welcome to reddit, where false rape accusations are more damning than actually raping someone.

[–]gregariousbarbarian 75 ポイント76 ポイント  (5子コメント)

You missed a comment where some guy tried to argue that dealing drugs is worse than rape because it "affects more people."

[–]TerkRockerfeller 50 ポイント51 ポイント  (1子コメント)

"yes your honor I had him chained in my basement for months while force feeding him his own shit and slicing off his toes one by one, but it was just one guy!"

[–]livefreeordont 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well if that guy cheated in magic then he had it coming

[–]EricDotW 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Drug dealers? You mean magical creators of opportunities for enlightenment which should all be legal and available freely to the public?

I see your point, but I can also hardly see how Reddit would have anything against drug dealers.

[–]uh-okay-I-guess 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's why it's so surprising that they upvoted, to like +130, a post that literally argued dealing drugs was worse than rape, and did so in the most maudlin way possible.

[–]grraaaaahhh 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not touching that thread, but that post is probably a reference to Patrick Chapin, a prominent figure in the MTG community. He also served time as part of a felony conviction for drug dealing, so a lot of people have the opinion that if we're going to ban/shadowban Jesse we also need to do the same to Chapin because he's also a criminal.

[–]food_bag 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Khiva, post to Circlebroke more. I have missed you.

I was going through the comments, got to that one, and I just gave out. The indignation is gone, now it's just sadness.

I felt the exact same way going through the pro-pedophile stuff on the Chris Hansen AMA. I wanted to be mad, but I just felt hollow and empty and despondent. However, I have somewhat good news, though heavily qualified:

Since my conviction in 2004, my most serious run in with the law has been receiving a speeding ticket in 2006 and a ticket for an illegal U-turn in 2014.

That is the rapist guy. So when the other commenter said 'illegal u-turn', they weren't metaphorically comparing anal rape to a harmless traffic violation, they were literally referring to an illegal driving manoeuvre that the rapist received a ticket for. I know it's not much Khiva, but take what you can get, take what you can get.

Okay now I shall gush. What Khiva has done here is truly remarkable, and a qualitative step up from current Circlebroke posts. One thing I don't like about Circlebroke (and there are lots) is how thoughtful posts that don't have obvious and well-known villains get low scores, whereas posts that follow the formula of quote, quote summary, reaction, quote, quote summary, reaction get rocketed up. The 'quote, summary, reaction' thing is done to death. But what Khiva has done here is to introduce it diegetically. It isn't a summary, it's a translation, because these clowns on Reddit speak a foreign language, that people with common sense can't understand. Khiva uses diegesis to explain the use of the formula.

I've been trying to raise my Circlebroke game. Than you for showing me the way. Stay fabulous.

[–]ClassicSchmosby1 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah - there are times when you get just like.... wtf-hollow at these shits.

Like that "Ask a rapist" thread where people kept saying "omg that's not rape, you're okay!"

[–]jamie_byron_dean 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What Khiva has done here is truly remarkable, and a qualitative step up from current Circlebroke posts

I agree, as close as a "satisfactory" resolution to the unresolvable tension that post has created on this entire website.

[–]clintmccool 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I looked up "diegetic" and "diegesis" but I still don't understand quite what that word means in this context. Can you elaborate?

[–]food_bag 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oops, sorry, I should have explained that. It's like how in Pulp Fiction the soundtrack in a scene is coming from a radio, instead of just magic music from nowhere because music works well in films. It's like how instead of the usual tutorial, Mass Effect 2 has Miranda talking to you over the radio, giving you the same instructional, but incorporating it as part of the game world itself. Hope that helps.

[–]clintmccool 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Huh, okay. That's what I learned the word meant but couldn't really connect that definition to how you used it.

Thanks.

[–]wazooman2 103 ポイント104 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well it's a good thing he wasn't falsely accused. His life would have been ruined. /s

[–]agentbueller 63 ポイント64 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Keep in mind that this is the same community that was championing their hobby to be a safe space for women and LGBT people but when its time for something to be done that inhibits the freedoms of a white man its a fucking atrocity.

[–]ClassicSchmosby1 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Straight, white, atheist men.

The truly oppressed.

[–]EnterMeTayne 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Straight, white, atheist men.

The truly oppressed.

You are going to make a fortune with that bumper sticker.

[–]wastedcleverusername 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

notallatheists

[–]Jaikaro 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

championing their hobby to be a safe space for women and LGBT people

Yeah I see that's working out reaaaal well for them. I play DnD at a venue that usually houses Magic the Gathering tournaments on the same night, and there can easily be 100+ people there. Out of that 100 people, there are usually about 6 women in the whole place. 5 of them are at my DnD table.

[–]jamie_byron_dean 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I feel like this one should be in the wider media. Like, someone should write a standard clickbait media empire-esque piece and get it out there. This is just rotten, and that community doesn't deserve to get away with this, nor that guy, honestly.

[–]Khiva[S] 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Honestly, even as time-hardened, squinty-eyed inspectors of the worst in the community, this was beyond the pale. I get that same sense of surrealism that I got back when the Dorner thing was going down and people were shamelessly defending cold-blooded murder - that weird, looking around sense of Am I really reading this right?

Even for reddit this is awful. Even for reddit. Do you know how bad something has to be to be bad by our own toe-high standards?

This is one of those days you stare abyss and have to scuttle away before the abyss takes note of you. That U-turn comment is going to haunt me for a long while.

[–]Pointlessillism 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's the way literally the entire sub is behind him.

And the way that there isn't a ghost of an apology or explanation or any kind of accepting responsibility whatsoever and they don't care, they don't notice. Even the "ask a rapist" guy paid lipservice to being sorry.

Also depressing me is the fact that usually I just tell myself "fuck Reddit, this ain't real life, screw these losers" but this story is about a real guy who won a $30k scholarship off the back of his fucking crime. I mean WTF is that about. He wrote a heartfelt essay about raping someone so they gave him a prestigious scholarship to study law. What the actual fuck. I wonder did he take responsibility in the essay or were even admissions tutors also conned by this transparent bullshit.

[–]Williamfoster63 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I posted in the SRSD thread wondering about this. I don't think this person has ever felt remorse or empathy for his victim. The way he talks about everything in his rant demonstrates to me that he is only upset he got caught. He got caught and stupid people keep holding him down for it.

This can be seen from the way he talks about his plea deal. He had righteous indignation over the whole thing to the point of denying four deals before settling on one because his lawyer insisted. Then, years later in law school he realized what a shit defense he had and saw what a good deal he ended up getting because he was fucked if his case went further. He didn't come to realize what he did was wrong, he just discovered that he came close to being ruined by it and was glad to have gotten away like he did.

[–]BroadCityChessClub 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's the way literally the entire sub is behind him.

Mods were deleting people who were against him, weren't they?

[–]Dogeball_new 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Someone from SRS e-mailed Gawker about this, so your wish might come true p soon.

[–]DudeJapan 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Gotta love these fucking detectives. Hes convincted of rape, says he raped her, and these morons are actually saying "Maybe he didn't rape her"

[–]ColeYote 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, you know reddit. All rapists are innocent until proven guilty forever.

[–]morpen 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is the post that made me quit reddit. Goodbye guys, I'm out. I cannot exist on a site with this level of sexism, racism, and hatred of people of all kinds. It's been a good run.

/u/morpen, May 14, 2015.

[–]VecinaDeLa3 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You'll be back

[–]Jazz-Sandwich 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fuck everything. Fuck. Everything.

Why do I keep coming back here? This place doesn't make me happy. I don't enjoy this. But I keep coming back.

[–]SteveBlake5 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (0子コメント)

this needs to be a big deal

like, people need to know what reddit actually is

[–]gatorademebitches 63 ポイント64 ポイント  (6子コメント)

came to this sub to see a post on this. holy shit. Does that sub have a large crossover with other gaming communities? am I surrounded by people like this when I post on this site? I am actually so grossed out right now. I swear to god I'm not trying to be horrible to sufferers of autism of any kind, but that's like the only excuse for not being able to read behind the lines of that initial post, if they know he anally and vaginally raped an unconsious girl. I actually don't understand how people can have so little empathy (apart from for disgusting men like this), I honestly cannot understand it. I hang around with so many people who are just as 'nerdy' or a part of nerd culture as me, and none of them are fucking like this. Apart from one who thinks 4chan is diverse because it has 'racists and non racists' but I don't exactly see him anymore...

my contribution is probably worthless but fuck. just... fuck. I am off the meta subs and everything apart from niche ones now, I seriously hope these people are not representative of the people at conventions - and people who have the same interests as me. that poor fucking girl.

[–]captainflyte 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah it does. Magic has big crossover with other nerdy hobbies. Mostly comic books, video games like hearthstone/dota, and etc.

Honestly once you start seeing it you can't unsee. Its disgusting. I quit going to conventions because as a female I got sick of it. I went to my first one when I was 13 years old and I have clear memory of guys lifting up my cosplay in the back while I was standing in line somewhere.

Its obviously not all of them but I do remember explicitly never drinking at those things because guys would always try to convince you to "go to their hotel room and see what they bought" once there were drinks around even before I turned 18. This was maybe 10 years ago now so maybe its changed but I have my doubts.

I do also remember other good times if it makes you feel any better. Like one time when I was 16 and some guy in his mid20s kept trying to get me and my also 16 year old friend to leave the convention center with him even after we stated our age and said we didn't want to, etc, another guy who overheard stepped in and made him leave and stood there for a while to make sure he didn't come back.

[–]Commisar 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fucking hell.....

I am sorry all that shit happened to you, and sorry an angry grizzly didn't maul that smug asshole who got a slap on the wrist for rape.

[–]meikyoushisui 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Does that sub have a large crossover with other gaming communities?

This is hard to judge, since the really large gaming communities (magic, gaming, and games, maybe pcmr, etc.) all have a huge crossover into each other. What you're seeing is how the bigger a sub gets, the faster it drops to the lowest common denominator. That's why hyperspecific and smaller subs generally have better content.

[–]johnny_b_rotten 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know how you feel about the being a nerd thing. If I'm not at work or with my friends//girl friend, I'm reading comic books. They are a huge passion of mine. And it's fucking disgusting to see the way many other superhero fans behave, especially regarding topics like this. Some of my friends also read comic books, some don't, but all of them could be considered a "nerd" for something or other. None of them would defend a fucking rapist. I guess I'm super lucky in that regard, but it's still super upsetting to see people who share my favorite hobby have such regressive ideas about gender and sexual assault. :( All I know for sure is that the Flash would never stick up for a rapist.

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    [–]livefreeordont 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Well that's cause mods have been deleting comments negatively portraying our rapist. I'm not one who goes around claiming mods are literally butler but they're having a big effect on that thread. It's like an echo chamber

    [–]Smiff2 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    ...why would they do this?! (not saying you're wrong, no idea i don't go there).

    [–]livefreeordont 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Cause they're on his side. He's a pro gamer everyone else is just neckbeards. Maybe they admire his skillz. There could be many reasons why they delete negative comments but it's very strange

    [–]OutlawJoseyWales 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I was banned from that subreddit for a week for getting upset at the rapist receiving support

    [–]thefx37 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    guy convicted of rape? "yeah whatever bitch should be over it by now"

    higher up wants to warn people of said convicted rapist? "HOLD THE PHONE THIS IS AN INJUSTICE TO SOCIETY."

    [–]Williamfoster63 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I wonder if the guy who made note of the rape conviction also realized how unapologetic this guy was about what he did. Because that's what blows my mind.

    [–]That_Hobo_in_The_Tub 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Wait the asscrack guy actually got banned?

    Kek, how mature of the community, getting butthurt over a harmless joke.

    [–]OutlawJoseyWales 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    the asscrack guy got banned longer than people who have repeatedly cheated at the highest level of play with prize pools of $250k

    [–]raspberry_man 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    what can we do to destroy this website

    the culture of this place just needs to be wiped off the fuckin planet

    [–]Seoul_Surfer 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    But muh freedom of speech!! Only SJWs want me to stop being a terrible human not be myself!

    [–]maslowk 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Sounds like a textbook example of throwing out the baby with the bathwater to me. Just because parts of a website attract terrible people doesn't mean the entire platform is harmful or useless.

    [–]EricDotW 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    How do we reform this website to get rid of its terrible users and reputation?

    [–]Glurky_Spurk 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Probably can't, it's too ingrained in the culture of reddit at this point. Especially after "every gentlesir is resposib[le] for his le his own le soul"

    [–]BlackHumor 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    The weirdest part is that usually /r/magicTCG is unusually good about this sort of thing. Usually they are as feminist as you could possibly expect out of a popular geeky sub. But nope suddenly they're just the worst.

    [–]clintmccool 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Have any links to comments or threads that struck you as particularly pro-feminist? I'm not a subscriber, but your comment made me curious.

    [–]turntandburnt 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    TW: The drug dealer/murderer discussed in the entire debacle is the OP of the male privilege article

    Threads have come out in support of trans players, trans characters, male privilege/sexism, inclusivity. This is anecdotal, but I feel like MtG has a very high number of trans players as well.

    [–]clintmccool 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Neat. Thank you.

    [–]newheart_restart 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Fuck this. Fuck all of this. Why do these people get to live in relative luxury and happiness when people like the victim, like all the victims I know, like me, when we have to suffer. Why? Why is it so unfair? Why are people so awful? Why do I have to feel this pain when they do clearly don't?

    [–]captainflyte 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (13子コメント)

    Can I just say that this is why I never dated people who play games like this?

    Even here im likely to get downvoted for this but I actively avoid men who play competitive video games and are entrenched in "nerd culture" because after talking to them for a few weeks they ALWAYS ended up saying something really horrifying to the point that I just can't listen to them without gagging. Or theyd make it longer and turns out they lack a fundamental understanding of women and just see me as their mom, personal savior, or sex receptical. It makes me really uncomfortable.

    Im in my 30s and I dated a fair few men over the years and this is a rule I developed pretty quick. And a single mention of browsing /pol/ or whatever is enough to make me stop even being friends. I was working on a project with two guys a couple months ago and I mentioned getting my news from X Y Z websites and they laughed and said "nah we get ours straight from the source, 4chan". lol marked them off my list of people I want to talk to.

    Im sure its #notallnerdymen and im sure a lot of people find great guys within that group by searching hard, but the echo chamber of the male dominated hobbies are really really toxic and it shows in their characters. When I was dating I was not going to waste my time vetting you only to have you spout shit about how women like being raped.

    I had infinitely better luck finding great people once I resigned myself to this, even if im naturally drawn to "nerdy" things like games myself.

    [–]dowork91 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This is why I don't tell anyone I browse 4chan. Well, anyone IRL. Shit like that makes people judge, and I can't blame them. But because I'm a normal fucking person, I realize what's socially acceptable and what isn't.

    I don't understand people sometimes. Societal norms aren't too hard to follow! Be fucking mindful!

    [–]EnterMeTayne 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    theredpill has lied to me! Women love men who treat them like garbage!

    [–]meikyoushisui 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    A lot of us are more discreet about our hobbies. I try to avoid talking about myself because people have so many preconceived notions about several categories I belong to, nerd among them. (Don't even get me started on religion.)

    It's really awful how these people give nerds everywhere such a bad name. We're mostly normal people with different hobbies than sports or movies, etc.

    [–]Jaikaro 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm a man that fits pretty squarely in the demographic you mentioned...and I have to say that I honestly can't blame you one bit for feeling like that.

    [–]Commisar 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    The pol litmus test is good, but not all magic players are assholes like the rapist.

    I am sorry so many men in the gaming communities you were a part of were disgusting red pill men's rights wastes of space.

    [–]clintmccool 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    a lot of them aren't.

    but a lot of them also don't speak up to the ones who are. which is not as bad but it's still bad.

    [–]ClassicSchmosby1 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Am a superhypernerd who is literally drenched in feminism and queer theory, but did so after realizing how fucking gross the internet is.

    Male exclusive spaces are fucking disgusting.

    People don't really get the supernerd because I'm a functional human being and can talk about more than the fucking internet.

    [–]Commisar 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Replace internet with 4chan and racists sites.

    The entire internet includes things like fun communities, reputable news sites, and Wikipedia.

    [–]Varsyr 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Literal misandry! Creep shaming!

    /s

    [–]lilgreen13 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Creep-shaming shitlord! Put a trigger warning on that!

    /s

    [–]VecinaDeLa3 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I am honestly ashamed i use teddit.

    [–]Cup_and_Saucer 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I debated a long time about responding to this, but I feel I must for my own peace of mind. I am both an assault survivor of similar circumstances to Jesse's victim, as well as a low-level competitive MTG player. Because of my background, this issue and the response it has received is particularly sickening to me.

    The response I see over and over again is a variation of: "It was 10 years ago, what should we do, ban him from Magic?"

    The answer is no. HOWEVER, the fact that these idiotic man-children can't see how something like the fact he is a convicted rapist would be relevant information a person like myself may want to know if I'm expected to be in the same room as him is disturbing.

    I don't care if he's rehabilitated. My rapist is also rehabilitated, and I've made peace with that. I still don't want to be in a room with a person who could have at any point in their life treated another human the way I was treated. It's not fucking rocket science. It's not SJW BS. I have never once, in the years since I was attacked, asked for anyone to make a special accommodation for me. Rape jokes don't offend me, seeing attacks portrayed in works of fiction doesn't bother me. But this? This sickens me to my core.

    [–]nancy_ballosky 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I just got into this with a classmate during a discussion about women in the video game culture and I wanted to slam my head through the desk at this guy's fucking excuses.

    [–]TerkRockerfeller 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Just wondering, why did you mention she was a virgin in the title? Would it have been less bad if she wasn't?

    [–]Khiva[S] 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    You know, I paused at that line. I think went back and forth on it a few times in the title, and in the write-up, trying to decide if it'd be relevant or be a distraction. I figured it'd come up in the comments so I came looking for it but I was hoping it wouldn't end up derailing things.

    My thinking is, basically, that everyone remembers their first time, and now this poor girl's "first time" is going to be indelibly marked by such a savage act of wanton selfishness and cruelty. I actually wrote out some version of "You know how everyone remembers their first time? Well, not her," before deleting it, both because it was a little too cruel and felt a bit like it might seem like I was being a little flip about something so serious.

    Another analogy that came to my mind was - I like pizza, everyone likes pizza, but it's really hard to develop a healthy relationship with pizza if your first experience is someone shoving it down your mouth. Just seems to me to amplify the trauma, as well as the youth of the victim, since traumatic events can have an amplified impact upon people still figuring out the world.

    Of course, the downside of highlighting virginity as a relevant factor is it not only seems to implicate worn-out notions that a woman's sexual history should impinge upon rape cases, as well the deeply controversial notion that virginity alone should mean something.

    So, in sum, it seemed relevant, but also potentially distracting and I went back and forth on it a few times. It's a complicated issue, and I didn't want to dedicate a significant portion of the text to navigating an ancillary issue, so I figured I'd check back in later to see if I came back up in the comments to talk about it there. It's relevant, but tricky and I think you're right to at least question the inclusion of that detail.

    And now, if you'll excuse me, I'm all sad again.

    [–]TerkRockerfeller 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Aww, don't be sad, I was just being needlessly pendantic

    [–]Khiva[S] 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Ha, not sad about the question, I was expecting it.

    Just thinking it through the logic of it brings me face-to-face again with the underlying reality, and that's ....heavy.

    [–]Dogeball_new 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I just want to say, I have much more respect for you after this comment and this whole post. I really didn't like your comments on openbroke-esque/srs topics, and this made me change my opinion on you. I hope I don't sound too rude by saying this.

    I'm sorry thinking about these topics makes you sad, but I guess it's an appropriate reaction to the world...

    [–]Seoul_Surfer 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    To a lot of people, being a virgin is a precious thing that the owner should choose to give out. Rape is a tragedy no matter the circumstances, but being a virgin and getting raped is just one more lasting effect

    [–]TerkRockerfeller 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Yeah I guess that's true

    [–]Seoul_Surfer 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You can't really put a number on the aftermath a rape victim has to deal with, but that's how I see it

    [–]BDS_UHS 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The events of the last year have led me to the conclusion that every gaming community needs to be burned to the ground and rebuilt with the kind of strict moderation discipline normally applied to kindergarteners.

    [–]supervillainO_o 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I sifted through a lot of the comments, and didn't see anyone disagreeing with any of this...not one person...everyone is attacking the drew Levin guy. Fuck

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      [–]FUBARtheinsane 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      This comments thread was definitely the right place to announce you're leaving.

      [–]blueb4by 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The sub is a complete clusterfuck. Join /r/magicthecirclejerking today.

      [–]angrypotato1 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Can we get a TW up in here mods? This just made me sick, and I have never even gotten close to being raped