Doublelift's Response to Link's Farewell Post

Jokium · 8 時間前

Props to Team Liquid for fixing a similar situation in half a split

Cakkerlakker · 7 時間前

Looks like there is more coming: https://twitter.com/bigfatlp/status/598793426922909696

Alpharaptor · 8 時間前

All aboard the Shots Fired train! Next up: Hotshot makes a politically neutral statement about both posts and promises 'change', as votes swing towards the democrats.

I_despise_fat_people · 8 時間前

CLGFIGHTING takes on a new meaning

TheBurritoNinja · 8 時間前

Welcome to Blink 182: Esports Edition

Acc248 · 8 時間前

Not gonna lie, I think the entire point of both this and Link's post can be boiled down to one sentence from Doublelift.

"We needed leadership on the team who can effectively solve problems and NOT put all that burden on Link, or blame me for the fact that we suck at playing together"

Seeker8833 · 8 時間前

Imagine how happy TSM must be right now. All the reddit hate for their MSI performance just got swept under the rug because CLG couldn't keep this shit inhouse.

EagerBrad · 8 時間前

You know what they say - there is my truth, his truth, and the actual truth in between [sic - I know that's not quite how it goes, but my brain isn't quite working at the moment]. Let's not start religiously taking sides just because we like one or the other of these players. What needs to be taken from this whole saga is that there have been a lot of issues in the CLG camp. This is something we knew already; now we have some better insight into how it all went down.

The fact that the blokes still rep each other as friends outside of the game should prove the point that the overall issue was in-game. Players not trusting each other, players not synergising, players not listening to each other, people not talking. These are the things that need to be addressed if CLG want to grow going forward.

bulbasaurite · 8 時間前

C'mon Aphro, it's your turn!

SenorToucan · 8 時間前

As a CLG fan since Season 1 this feels like my parents are fighting :\

They both raise good points and I hope they're not irreversibly burning bridges.

ToriPori · 8 時間前

let it out boys, let it out...

MTT93 · 8 時間前

im waiting for the incoming ESEX article

lemonwater123 · 8 時間前

holy fuck yes give me more I need more. to the top we go

ScrotalAgony · 8 時間前

Sort of shocking to hear DL just outright confirm that he did lose trust in teammates. At least he's admitting mistakes/weaknesses and not just running a slander campaign.

I wish it could have just been a simple split but obviously things were way worse in the CLG roster than we thought. CLG drama is best drama I guess.

Nicer_Chile · 8 時間前

how i feel as CLG fan right Now.

andinuad · 7 時間前

Nien on twitlonger:

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sm6s4p

To expand on my tweet earlier, i don't hate double or anyone on CLG, i understand the frustration double felt from constantly losing and never winning any games that mattered. I could've been much more proactive in helping the team environment but i got too caught up in how i was playing and how i felt like i was letting my team down, something i really really hate doing. I think double is a good player, he definitely wasn't the best teammate but at the end of the day it was clear that he truly wants to win. I want to crush him not out of vengeance but moreso because I want to prove to myself and to you guys that I can do it double and aphro are both extremely solid in lane, and throughout my career that has been my weakness, so beating them is a temporary goal of mine. who knows when i'll get the opportunity to play vs them again in a real setting though. "

Thanks for reading, I didn't want you guys to think that double is a terrible person or that i hated him with my previous tweet, I just want to beat him for the fun of beating my old rival/person i looked up to a lot before joining CLG for his strong play. Not only that, maybe me crushing him would motivate him to try to become as good as he once was, because he's definitely fallen off a lot compared to before when he was one of the top 3 ADCs in the world.

-Anne- · 8 時間前

wow i hope rito brings magma chamber back for link vs doublelift hype

iTomNorth · 8 時間前

It's a fucking miracle that I'm still a top player with no help from the people WHO ARE IN CHARGE OF HELPING ME.

Holy shit

Edit: thanks for popping my gold cherry kind stranger

88naka · 8 時間前

Link is like "Seraph was just mute", and Double is life "Both mid and top are mute"

GuyWitDaFace · 8 時間前

These CLG letters are like reading some EternalEnvy/FluffNStuff blog posts. God, I love this esports drama.

ironshadowdragon · 8 時間前

I think the biggest thing to take away from both Link and Doublelift is that neither of them are trying to personally attack one another. They're both trying to share their impressions and experiences on CLG on a professional/in-game level. There's some heat here, but it's all just passion for the game, something Link still has I think...you don't write 17 pages if you don't care.

ihatemalzahar · 8 時間前

Really nice to see honesty in these posts instead of PR bullshit. Best quote:

You want me to be a team player when 2/3 of our lanes with mics muted were getting asspounded by TSM/C9/Crs?

Lmao. Love this guy.

Jinxterr · 8 時間前

POB: So far so good :⁾

That's the dream BOYS

Kibethy · 8 時間前

I would MUCH rather play out a 2v2 than a 3v3, and the idea that we only gank bot stems from the fact that our top/jg and mid/jg communication was never as clear and well-planned as the way Aphro and I communicate the option bottom. Solo lanes wanted ganks but never wanted to communicate them, they just expected the perfect coordination instantly

To be honest this really ties in well To Link's expectations of how a jungler is supposed to work. However if Xmithie can't dictate the gank mid, you cant just stay quiet because you have that expectation of a jungler, they can't just become that person for you, you need to communicate that you want a mid gank.

You can't complain about another person's stubbornness and incorrect ideas of how to play the game when you've had the same expectation of like 3 junglers that hasn't been met. Maybe that's optimal but that's obviously not how its going to work. When life gives you lemons, I guess.

YoonaNoona · 8 時間前

Reading this drama is like listening in to Chauster hotshot saint screaming their heads off at each other in scrims back in the days.... SO GOOD

Ceui · 7 時間前

These last 2 weeks give Thoorin more materials than the last whole 2 seasons of LCS

I_Ruv_Kpop · 8 時間前

Yay, more context & perspective.

While I do think Link did have some valid criticisms, if you actually read all 17 pages instead of cherry picking quotes, you would have noticed an emphasis on others mistakes and a complete passing over of his. He never did address the main criticism many fans had with him - his choking during important situations. He glazed over his Lissandra play & misplay at the Dig inhib like it was nothing important or not his fault. There was a lot of truth in what he said, but it was pretty biased. There's no "OMG LINK HERO" or "OMG DBL HERO." Link isn't the good guy who was all along the perfect man for CLG - he had is issues. The entire team has its issues - there's no one person to blame.

So let's stop the hate trains, and do exactly what he asked us to at the very end of the farewell.

"fans that hated me you guys have no clue what you guys are talking about LOL and and those that flamed my teammates fuck you guys. you guys don’t have the right to do that. "

FLABREZU · 7 時間前

Nien's clarification on his earlier tweets: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sm6s4p

stillblazin19 · 2 時間前

Pobelter right now is like that friend who comes over to your house right when your parents start fighting and just has to sit there awkwardly

Kom1 · 8 時間前

I'm gonna be real here for a second. I know everyone's on the DL hate train atm and that's fine. I just wanna point out they are both probably telling the truth in some parts and both are probably exaggerating some parts. These are guys who have lived with/played together for 3 years. I'm sure they have had some built up frustrations with each other over those 3 years of living on top of one an other. A lot of this could be true and a lot of this could be venting between 2 guys who just didn't mesh perfectly as teammates or as friends. I just hate to see people jumping to insane conclusions over inner workings of things we know nothing about.

upfield · 8 時間前

"the fuck is this other than a blame deflection"

oh dear here we go

Thrilljoy · 8 時間前

Just hope CLG is providing pop-corn for everyone reading this drama. It's gonna be salted anyway.

MrGhostPepper · 8 時間前

Now all we need to hear is Hotshotgg saying that this was a management fault and "wont happen again"

zzzz

imbau · 8 時間前

It is crazy that 2 players on the same team can have such different outlooks on how the team functioned

Rhundas · 8 時間前

The blame spacing on CLG is real guys

Saituchiha · 8 時間前

This is like watching a highschool fight.

DrCytokinesis · 8 時間前

Ego too big and refuse to improve: Yes I have an ego, more at 11. That I refuse to improve? Holy shit, in the NEXT PAGE of this document, Link says that he gave up on me. In fact... in this entire thing all the words used about our shotcallers/in-game leaders are: lazy, quiet, unconfident, jaded. Go ctrl+f this if you don't believe me. He then goes on to say Monte was not effective as a coach.... but neither was Scarra because "Scarra didn’t want to change anything because he felt like the team was working itself out". How am I expected to vastly improve my play with little to no help? It's a fucking miracle that I'm still a top player with no help from the people WHO ARE IN CHARGE OF HELPING ME.

So he completely removes himself from it and blames his lack of improvement entirely on people not doing it for him? This is exactly the thing a person who is so full of himself would say. Refusing to take responsibility and blaming other people instead of blaming himself.

Ivrih · 8 時間前

After this drama is over tell me which hate bandwagon I am supposed to jump in.

Diminitiv · 8 時間前

"Nobody to help me get better".

That's kinda bullshit according to Link's post. Monte came to CA and got them to run the Sivir comp in S4 that won them so many games early on. Then there was also the Syndra-Caitlyn comp that they practiced but never got to run because DL didn't want to play Caitlyn.

RedFatality · 8 時間前

I really want to know what's the whole team side of the story but for now.. http://i.imgur.com/q2ik5.gif

Xiryz · 8 時間前

waiting for Thoorin's Thoughts on this. at least now he'll have something to work with

Northofeden · 8 時間前

CLG is airing out their dirty laundry on social media and this is something no other top team would really do ... fact of the matter is that their players/team/management is wired differently and don't know how to work together (which is really sad because of the length of time they've been together). Communication is important in every context of life and it appalls me how CLG still hasn't understood or fixed this after all these years. They're just a team of 5 solo q players with their own mindset and thinking of playing the game.

Look at real sports. You don't just need great players on teams to be successful. You need great leaders as well. Countless teammates have vouched for LeBron James publicly because he's a great LEADER.

I hope CLG can find their leader soon because it's getting hard to support a team that's so internally mismanaged.

MikeWasowzki · 8 時間前

This is all so fucking juicy, it's great

All-Shall-Kneel · 8 時間前

Doublelift sounds genuinely pissed off at Link

LordPickles · 8 時間前

Some good old fashioned trash talk, lo and behold Doublelift is at the center of it all. I love it.

hypercompact · 8 時間前

sorry I blamed him publicly when I was having a moment on stream, it was wrong of me.

I think the problem is that he has to many of those "moments".

Tronickz · 8 時間前

Hmm to take the views of a guy who has been silent for 3 years, who basically took each and every ounce of hate ever given to him by social media as fact

or

the guy who's to "blame" point of view, even tho for the past 3-5 years hes been in the pro scene we have had countless reports from countless people basically all saying the same thing. Yet what does he have to do? admit he has faults and say he is "working on them"

how many times are you going to keep accepting the same responsesfrom DL? continuing to believe that he is being honest, but is truthfully just feeding social media sugar coated bullshit and every time getting away with it?

CLG has consistently had problems, yet the 2 things that have never changed about CLG have been 1) shitty management 2) doublelift

40866892 · 7 時間前

Doublelift's twitlonge response TL;DR: SORRY NOT SORRY

Morganafreeman · 8 時間前

Here we go..* makes a days supply of pop corn*

Lenticious · 8 時間前

Love them or hate them, CLG (ortheir fans) always come up with the best drama. And this'll do just fine for entertainment during the 2 weeks before LCS!

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