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[–]AwkweirdVan 226 ポイント227 ポイント  (107子コメント)

Link already burnt bridges like a motherfucker. You can't say a couple nice things at the end of a 17 page document of dirty laundry airing and expect everything to be A-ok. I don't think he's wrong for it as a person, but it's definitely not doing the team any favors and saying he wishes them the best is a little hypocritical after that speech.

[–]Momochichi 462 ポイント463 ポイント  (47子コメント)

I don't think it's hypocritical. If you didn't give a fuck about the team, and couldn't stand the environment, you'd just leave quietly like the others did. That he wrote a 17 fucking page essay to point out how wrong things are shows that he really wants the team to fix them. And it's not even for his sake either, since he left and burned bridges to bring light to our speculation. He's the hero CLG needs.

[–]SerDagon 53 ポイント54 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Great. Now I feel like he fell of the ledge that was CLG at the end of the movie and stumbled away from the cops (the League community).

TIL Link was Batman the whole time.

[–]Sindoray 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Welcome back to earth. Would you like some coffee or popcorn to watch CLG play their relegation matches in the upcoming split?

People only see the "Hurr Durr Link made a mistake", without further analyzing why he did that move, or what he was trying to do, or in what situation he was. To Reddit, only stats, and 1v1s count.

[–]SerDagon 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Welcome back to Earth? It's one thing to say he was part of a problem, not the entire thing. It's another to say he was literally the one voice of reason and only one who could facilitate change. It wasn't off his back that CLG did well. Did we watch the same split? He was a cog in the machine. You're going too hard in the reverse here. He just couldn't play in high-pressure situations at the level CLG needed him to, regardless of circumstances.

It's true, during the regular season, Link helped CLG do well. It's also true he fell off hard when it mattered most. Aphro did too, but not to the degree Link did. I'm sure the team/community pressure has a lot to do with that, but part of being a pro in the current scene is to deal with that.

The only way to really look at what has come to light regarding CLG's team environment at this point is to treat everything as one perspective of many and with a shaker of salt. Yes, salt. If you still care about CLG you've already embraced it anyway.

Lord knows I have.

[–]Anonymous157 73 ポイント74 ポイント  (19子コメント)

He is not writing to solve problems, he is writing to cleanse him self of the blame. Link not only down talks DL he also takes stabs at Aphro's shot-calling, and both their previous coaches, yet fails to recognise that if he was a shot caller and also helped CLG with the pick ban phase during the last 2 times CLG has choked, he is the clear common denominator there. DL did what he could last relegations -> resorted to protect the AD when nothing else was working, Link had 2 games to prove that his shot-calling and draft phase was going to help them win.

Imagine any one in DL's position after so many years of playing and having nothing to show for it, he got angry at his team for it he apologised but its not like he was completely wrong in doing so.

[–]demonickilla 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (3子コメント)

To be fair no one can admit to being the problem of their team. He admit that he didn't play well at some times, but he's just giving his insight from his viewpoint. None of it should be taken as fact, and come on he wrote an 18 page document in like a couple hours of course some of it is gonna be wrong or miss remembered.

[–]wallacehacks 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Link only wrote one damn sentence about their first loss to TSM this split.

He threw that game so ridiculously hard with his infamous Lissandra ult, and he conveniently breezes over it despite acknowledging that it was a negative turning point for his team. He writes a novel about other people's mistakes.

I have no respect for Link. I don't like Doublelift either but the entire time I was reading Link's farewell, I couldn't stop shaking my head at the ridiculous loser "not-my-fault" mentality.

[–]TurriPi [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

"He didn't play well at some times". No dude, he repeatedly shit the bed at playoffs when shit mattered.

[–]Leadback 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Scarra backed him up. As did Nien.

[–]VictoriousLoL 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

"Imagine any one in DL's position after so many years of playing and having nothing to show for it, he got angry at his team for it he apologised but its not like he was completely wrong in doing so."

You're completely correct.

Imagine anyone in DL's position.

Now let's reuse one of your quotes.

"He is the clear common denominator there."

[–]Lenidalee 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Except a lot of their losses weren't on double lift and by extension aphro. They were on bad shot calling and pick and ban phases which Link admits to being in charge of

[–]Anonymous157 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

He admits he is In charge of those yes, but never fully takes responsibility like some times he calls Aphro's calls unclear and jaded etc.

What you and other comments say is also true but as Link knows how harsh and circle jerky the community is, and throwing his team under the bus as he leaves just makes him look insensitive, even though I like that he made sure his voice is heard.

[–]Lenidalee 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah but what the guy I replyed to is saying that Doublelift is the common denominator in their losses, but he rarely accounts for any of their losses as a whole. It normally comes down to poor pick and ban and strategy rather than diversity

[–]MeatNoodleSauce 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Doublelift says that Aphromoo is the most precise shotcaller on the team. He goes most in depth and puts everything out on the table.

[–]Anonymous157 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Main point being The community was mad at Link for his performances in big games, Doublelift didn't make Link misplay over and over again, while also not communicating or changing the way shot-calling an pick ban is done even if Link does recognise he is not the best at these during high pressure situations.

[–]Cptsaber44 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not just clgs fault that double hasn't won anything. What double fails to realize is that he is part of the losing equation too and he needs to perfect his own play before losing faith in his team. Being arguably the best and definitely the most revered player on your team doesnt mean your play is flawless

[–]melo8 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Absolutely agreed. What I get from reading his whole essay is that he was the guy who helped everyone and blamed everyone else. It is like he's the good guy and everyone else was bad.

[–]RandomGuyDota 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's funny how he took alot of shots at Monte for really trying to coach from over seas. It shows real immaturity from a team if they need an in-person coach. "We couldn't take what he was saying seriously cause he wasn't here to grind it in our brains every day". Coach shouldn't be babysitting you, they tell you what to do and you do it. If it doesnt work you have a conversation to fix it.

Link's description of Monte's coaching and how Monte described it shows the immaturity of the players. It's like with regular sports. You follow the practice regiment, curfew etc the coach throws out for you without him babysitting you. The team needs to learn what a real coach is and take responsibility for being immature as fuck.

[–]Taidaishar 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This. He's deflecting blame.

[–]Hautamaki 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I dunno I think that Link was down on himself about his shotcalling. Maybe not in the same sentence, but in many sentences he says that he was the primary shotcaller, and in fact he said many times that he felt he had to not only call general movements but even micromanage the whole time. Then in other sentences he says that the shot calling was bad. That to me obviously means that he blames himself. Maybe he feels that he had too much burden on himself to shotcall effectively but in any case he doesn't say that he called shots but the team didn't listen. He says that he called shots and the shots were bad. So I don't see it as him deflecting blame. The part about pick-bans is less clear. He agrees that pick-bans were bad but blames his team for not wanting to pick meta stuff but instead stay with comfort picks. DL didn't really address that so maybe it is like Link says.

[–]fearliss 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can you TLDR both for me?

[–]TheBigBomma [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yep, it either was how he was carrying the team, or he'd made a mistake but here's reasons x/y/z as to why it wasn't his fault.

[–]brashdecisions -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

there reddit goes picking sides on a fight that isn't even a fight.

[–]IdleHandsy 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

But why post it on a public place for millions to see.. There is something called tact and I think his post lacked that.

[–]renvi 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I feel like although fans shouldn't be kept in the dark, revealing that much about a person's character and personality traits (not even gameplay style at that point) is a little much, IMO.

[–]Infinity2quared 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because he's upset and feels wronged and doesn't like that he's being blamed/criticized by the community when he thinks there are other issues at the core of CLG's problems.

Tactful or not, mature or not, there is something to be said for showing what's wrong with the team. I'm not saying he went about it the right way, but it's also not fair to just immediately blame him for airing the team's dirty laundry... it's HIS dirty laundry too, and he has a right to complain about it.

[–]docdoeseverything 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

well for one thing it beget this response from DL. By airing his gripes in a public space it puts more pressure on the rest of the team to individually recognize and respond to it, which seems to be more of a conversation than CLG has had internally for some time now. There's nothing wrong with offering more insight into the team and why it didn't work for the people that have been asking & harassing them for months about it, and what they seek to do going forward. At the very least it's better than Hotshot's cryptic saving-face tweets at the end of playoffs every season.

[–]SquirtleBoss 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I saw it more as a way to deflect the blame that was all going his way. He showed very little selfreflection in that essay, and you can't just all of the sudden pretend Link played well every moment at CLG. Writing an essay doesn't change that.

[–]othisdede 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh boy after years of hate when he left he become the superhero all of a sudden. Reddit is a weird place...

[–]Silxnce 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He isn't writing to help them see the error in their ways and what needs to change for things to improve. He wrote the letter to ensure he doesn't go down as some failure 2nd rate mid laner. He takes almost zero blame in his letter and is making sure everyone knows it.

[–]420DeDon420 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Most of his links essay is just pure salt.

[–]xen_deth 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I dont see that at all. I wouldn't doubt he's been so fed up with seeing all the bullshit on social media he is lashing out. I would, I don't blame him, but I think he just wants to put everyone on blast like he felt for most of his career.

[–]Gheeds_Charm 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

what a warped view of it.

[–]MBizness 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's just trying to get rid of the blame, that's it. It's for his sake, not for the team sake, not for anyone else, it's for his sake only.

[–]Supra53 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, he could have written a 17 page essay and send it to each members of CLG (including coaching staff and hotshot).
I think going public can only make things worst.

[–]-Shank- 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm sorry, but this is crap.

If he really wanted to give the team a wakeup call and help them improve on his way out the door he could have shared this with the org without airing all of this dirty laundry to the public. Putting it on Twitter for people who have no control over what happens to the team to see accomplishes nothing besides kick the org and everyone who's still involved with it in the balls as a parting shot. Now everyone he called out in his rant has to address what was said about their character and it turns into a shitshow all in the public eye.

To me it sounds like a ton of the problems between him and the team were because no one ever talked or fleshed out their differences. The amount of seething he did in his 17-page novella with years worth of dirt thrown on the page shows that there were longstanding issues between teammates that we allowed to grow until nothing could be done to fix them.

He did this because he's bitter over how he became the lightning rod for criticism over the past few years and wanted to shovel some of the blame on his teammates to show that their collapses were a group effort, something that anyone with half a brain should have been able to figure out for themselves. If he truly didn't care what the community thought of him anymore, he wouldn't have even bothered.

[–]Rideyn 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm a firm believer in that what happens in the locker room stays in the locker room, or on the ice, behind closed doors, wherever. There is absolutely no reason that the public needs to know all of a teams doings behind closed doors. I really hope the LoL esports scene gets some older people onto teams in order to control/fix their environments, I'm honestly tired of the blame game being played over and over.

I usually defended Link with all the crap he had to put up with, but I've lost all respect for him after this tell all of all the dirty laundry in the CLG house. This article is nothing but a blame game and it will just start more witch hunts.

[–]objayy 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

underrated comment

[–]AwkweirdVan -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I think that's exactly the naive point of view link is seeing, so you're spot on there. But to think that throwing it all out on the internet like this is going to fix it, that's ridiculous and unproffesional. If he wanted to fix it, he'd have a better shot of doing so by leaving this same document on the desk of every player and staff member of CLG, and no one else. Link wanted to share his thoughts and experiences with the community, and that's perfectly fine. Lord knows he's taken enough shit to have a right to fire back. I just don't think it's going to help CLG.

[–]Sedfvgt 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

You think he hasn't brought it up to them repeatedly cultiminating into last split? He was promised "change". Well, now he's enacting change because change wasn't had.

[–]AwkweirdVan -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yes, and as the man said his action to change CLG was choosing to step down. What I'm getting at is that this rant of his isn't going to help CLG at all, he knows it, we all should know it. It's for himself and for the fans/community.

[–]Sedfvgt 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I disagree. CLG obviously hasn't done anything to solve the problems that's plaguing them. So Link exposed it publicly knowing full well that public backlash will result in a do-or-die situation for Double and CLG. Not necessarily the best way to enact change, but after 3 years of stagnation, perhaps the only way left.

[–]AwkweirdVan -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think by now we know that putting CLG in a "Do or Die" situation in the public's eye doesn't help them at all. They've been there and done that already. Arguably more than once. It's just not what the team needs. These players don't respond to a ton of pressure from the community, they crumble under it. If what link says here is true, what they need is someone(a coach) with very strong communication skills who can help the players communicate in a healthy manner in game. That alone would fix over half the issues link brought up.

[–]JustKiddingDude -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

LOL. Honestly, it's much, much more likely that he wanted to vent his frustration rather than 'bring criticism to the table for CLG to improve'. He sounds like an angry kid tbf.

[–]DrZeroH 80 ポイント81 ポイント  (16子コメント)

To be fair the guy has suffered fucking 3 years of abuse from CLG fans and this is his time to finally fucking drop all of his anger and frustration out. Could he have done this better? Absolutely but honestly I can't help but sympathize.

[–]helloquain 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Last I checked CLG wasn't writing anti-Link reddit comments. If he has a moral right to rant because people are mean to him perhaps he could aim better.

[–]AwkweirdVan 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (14子コメント)

I feel for him a bit. But to be perfectly honest, after taking a hard look at this whole document my opinion of him lowered a bit. It's not professional, and he's clearly biased to the point he's almost certainly exaggerated some parts, or just become in-cohesive in his attempt to vent. I also don't agree with a lot of his opinions on the game and how it's played in NA. Like pointing out early game as this huge leading reason NA is behind other regions, when all the top teams in NA were showing off really strong and creative early game plans this split. The further down I got the less sense he started making and I just can't feel to much for a guy if I disagree so heavily on things he's clearly adamant about. He honestly seems misguided in the end.

[–]Liniis[Rextan] (NA) 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not professional

He doesn't need to be professional anymore.

[–]bearofmoka 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (8子コメント)

I especially liked the parts where he said Peter deflected blame when the whole document is basically Link's Guide to Deflecting Blame.

[–]AwkweirdVan 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yeah I think the part where he tried to make excuses for his whiffed Liss ult in the TSM game was total bullshit. He called it a terrible fight that shouldn't have been taken, but I went back to review it and I frankly don't see the issue. The fight literally didn't become a terrible fight until link whiffed his ulti.

[–]Root-of-Evil 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also, he was the primary shotcaller. Why were they taking such a "terrible fight"?

[–]bearofmoka 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

The fact is that it was a GREAT fight for them to take. They had such an advantage and it was a power spike for them, though Link didn't have Zhonya's. They were several thousand gold up - why wasn't it a good fight? It was Link's bad ult (why wasn't it on Bjergsen or WT?) that cost them the fight. Also, he was a little aggressive, could have been far better positioned, team were still a bit off.  

Edit: Even worse thing is that I've checked and Link did have Zhonyas, he just didn't use it. Proof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymezEns6aiE (41m onwards)

[–]UniqueSkbs 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

if i remember the correctly 5th drake or something was coming up? They didnt need to force the fight there. They couldve gotten better vision and forced TSM to come to them

[–]h00dpussy(EU-W) 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

But to be fair that whiffed ultimate was really terrible. A little more to the right and he gets a 4 man ulti at least/

[–]awakins[Awakins] (NA) 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I haven't heard coms from that fight but Link does mention that they shouldn't have even taken that fight.

[–]40866892 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

-from the words of a silver/gold/plat player

[–]MBizness 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's my main issue with this. If he had said everything else he said, but he had admitted he was as much of a problem, he would have my full support. But he's like "nah-ah, not my fault, I did everything I could, blame them, they are to blame!".

[–]DrZeroH 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Like I said he definitely could have done this better. He was barely in control from the looks of it and this was literally him just spewing everything with straight up emotion barely filtered by a sense of need to keep it slightly professional which he failed to do. In the end I can't judge. Anyone who has suffered 3 years of bullshit from anything (which I am sure is at least partially true just not this one-sided) is gonna lay down some serious shit.

[–]AwkweirdVan 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah it's completely understandable, and as an individual I shouldn't blame him for it. I guess it's more a matter of me holding him to a little higher standard as a player and professional. But he's maybe neither of those things anymore. He stepped down and went on his own way so in that regard of course he's done nothing wrong.

[–]debbiedooberstein 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

i find stuff like links letter or gambits press release embarrassing as shit. its self-serving and immature as fuck. im sure it feels cathartic and all but is it worth it in the long run? peoples opinions on link only get more polarized, the rest of the team gets put in this awkward as fuck position where now link is putting words in their mouths (whether or not anybody said/did things like link said, if they wanted it public it woulda been), and all for what? you give fans more ammo to shit on DL for what? for him to be so stressed and burned out that he posts his own 18 page rant when he leaves? all this shit has to happen now, in front of everyone, just because it makes link feel better? fuck off, you coulda said all you wanted to say to those dudes faces and left it at that. instead he looks like a fucking child and now the dudes who are, ya know, still actually playing have to deal with this shit too. good riddance apparently.

[–]Luthven19 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I thought it was a great read but by the end I kept wondering where he's gonna go more on himself. "I missed this ult but we shouldnt have been fighting there" is soloQ levels of 'i fucked up by its my teams fault.' Plus things like constantly referring to himself as still a top 3 mid laner and saying like oh everyone else was playing other games it wasnt just me with hearthstone - then why did they make such a deal out of it. Did they single him out unfairly or was it because he was much worse than the rest of the team for it.

He's leaving the scene so he has absolutely no reason to care what he says and of course it's a big bit of writing so i'm sure its not cohesively written and its more like 3 years of salt spilled at once but i'd be lying if I said I didn't roll my eyes a few times.

[–]thestage 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (3子コメント)

well to be fair link said plenty of nice things about ex teammates in his post, while DL's comments on ex teammates (including here) has always been some variant of "this guy is fucking garbage"

[–]AwkweirdVan 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

He did say a good few nice things, true. But in the case of guys like DLift, Seraph or even Monte, he had more bad to say than good even if he saved some of the good stuff for last.

[–]BlazeX94 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

He didn't really say much bad stuff about Monte tbh, he said that Monte was knowledgeable but people didn't listen to him and him having to coach them over the Internet made things difficult (which is to be expected).

[–]Eladriol 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

he said Monte straight up gave up on them at a critical point

[–]SCshadowblade 76 ポイント77 ポイント  (27子コメント)

Dude had every right to voice his opinion and say his peace. I don't see a thing wrong with it because he was loyal to CLG and kept his mouth shut for 3 Years. Now he said what he needed to say about the players but never once said anything bad about the Org directly to make them look bad. So imo he did right.

I can tell you I would've been x1000 worse because my blood pressure is way higher than that. Myself and DoubleLift probably would've gotten into a fist fight if he truly talked to his teammates the way link said he did. Like I am a very laid back person and I don't demand much but if you aren't even showing basic trust and respect to me and you are berating me over and over for months on end each split I would freak out eventually.

[–]FallenMan 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (10子コメント)

I sympathize with you and Link, but Link burnt some bridges here. I am beginning to think that a lot of the other pros might have sympathy for the dude (Sneaky was pretty understanding about it on stream), but Link brought the house down. There is no denying that.

[–]wrathb0rn 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Unless one of his professors at Berkeley is a die-hard CLG/Double fan, I think he will be ok.

[–]Kuebiko88 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good

[–]Eladriol -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

aye, but he's no longer on the team so he no longer has those obligations- DL has been publicly critical of people on his team before

[–]SCshadowblade 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Well I want to be as real as possible if I am going to defend something. I am a flawed individual and link even tweeted out that he never said in his post he was 100% right about everything. People need to remember we all fuck up its life. I think he did burn bridges but I also think that they can be repaired because under all the bullshit, pettiness, passive aggressiveness, and fighting that there is a friendship deep under it all. They can work it out and I'm sure they will.

[–]FallenMan 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

They may, but he completely fucked up CLG's reputation. If people like Link or they take it in good stride, he can probably still be in their good graces, but hypothetically Link just caused some of his former teammates to lose their jobs in the upcoming future, as a direct result of his post.

They're going to have to handle this really well or they're going to crash and burn, and given CLG's history, they're more likely to crash and burn.

[–]Eyyoh 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Seems more like it hurt DL rather than CLG as a whole. His message was mainly directed at the players (and coaching). I guess you could equate it to being the org's decisions throughout the years, but things like Monte couldn't do this or scarra didn't do this fall more in line with them and their role in the team. As far as having teammates lose their jobs, pretty sure Hotshot knew most of this was going on so if they haven't lost their jobs already then yeah...

[–]SCshadowblade 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I don't really want to push any kind of belief on you but I would like to share an idea if its okay. Basically somewhere not sure where I remember people talking about how through completely destroying something (like lava and land) you create something new and beautiful that can thrive. And maybe just maybe this post will help open up the players eyes to the faults they possess and they can be better people and players as a result.

[–]FallenMan 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah, I would love for that to happen, because I feel for CLG fans all over the world... but a lot of times, in reality, people get shit on and then only complain about how much it smells.

Not everyone has the presence of mind to take a shower and re-evaluate life. That takes a level of maturity that I don't know that CLG has.

[–]SCshadowblade 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

No argument here. We absolutely do not live in a perfect world and that's okay. We just need to be more understanding as human-beings.

[–]ImSoRude -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This conversation got real deep real quick

[–]AwkweirdVan 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I think link was certainly biased when he stated how doublelift spoke. This is more obvious in light of DLift's response, as Double clarifies it, he doens't deny it. Link had a right to be pissed, but honestly it sounds like Double did too. It sounds like everyone on the roster had a valid reason to be pissed at at least 2 of their teammates if not more. That's pretty much the issue.

[–]SCshadowblade 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

And that's where maturity and communication are important. These guys are young adults and maybe we have too high expectations of them too soon. There needs to be a strong leader as head coach and I don't think they have that yet. It would help them so much.

[–]AwkweirdVan 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Absolutely, I think any top team needs a strong, mature authority to organize proper communication. It's not like CLG hasn't had talent, but their tendencies or personalities always fail to mesh in a positive way and the whole squad gets crippled. Honestly Tony is smart, the players are smart. Far and away the #1 thing they need right now is a strong, level headed coach with excellent communication skills who can help them communicate in game in a healthy way. I think game knowledge should take a backseat in their coaching search.

[–]SCshadowblade 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Absolutely 1000% agree here. It should be someone with strong leadership and a track record for success. I mean holy shit just get someone with strong inter personal skills and BAM. He doesn't even need to know shit about league tbh. Just have Tony do all the game related stuff because like you said he's a smart dude. If they had that father figure there keeping their personalities in line the team would be amazing.

[–]AwkweirdVan 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, Fnatic is a fine example of this as I'm pretty sure Deilor didn't have very extensive game knowledge when he was hired. But whenever he was asked about his process as a coach, he would always reference talking to his players. Finding out what each one wants, and how to get it or how to make it work. That kind of coach can still be so effective in LoL.

[–]SCshadowblade 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Damnit /u/AwkweirdVan lets duo coach CLG together. We can do it! /u/HotshotGG hire us damnit!

[–]Gheeds_Charm 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't see a thing wrong with it because he was loyal to CLG and kept his mouth shut for 3 Years.

I think that's pretty cowardly. If he wasn't such a sopping wet pussy he would've spoke up in the house. It sounds to me like it's doublelift's first time hearing this out of link

[–]SCshadowblade 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

His mindset might have been "This team is already fucked up as it is lemme just wait". That would make complete sense to me.

[–]AdsMoFro -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

If the team was as bad as he says he could've left and gone to a better team or formed a better team. CLG remained loyal to Link and kept him even through the flame for a lot longer than most of their other players. The whole farewell post, while raising good points was very hypocritical.

[–]SCshadowblade 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think he had his best years stolen from him if that post was 100% accurate (its obvious not). However its all over now and done with. We can keep discussing it but honestly every got it all out and now the reddit circlejerk will set it and take sides and that will be the only reason this doesn't end right now.

[–]T_Stebbins 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He kind of explained why he didn't leave though. 1st he was a newbie and wanted to stay becuase hey, it's CLG, then contracting issues, and then he felt like they might be able to pull it together and win something big, he was wrong obviously, but that was his reason.

[–]vaynebot 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why is it hypocritical, wtf? Never in the document was he personally attacking anyone of his old teammates, he just went through his history with CLG and explained what the problems were at each time. He is obviously still personally attached to his friends at CLG and I'm pretty sure he sincerely wants them to be happy. Disagreeing about a few details about what exactly the team problems were/are doesn't make you hypocritical when you wish friends good luck. O_o

[–]Babineking[🍰] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Like it proves just how not professional CLG is as a structure, they were not able to discuss those problem while they were in the SAME TEAM... this is sick to pretend winning world or anything from this point. They are professional players and they do not discuss what is wrong, but when you need to praise DL mechanics or Aphro skill everybody jump and talk. This is the western typical problem, YOU DON'T WANT TO TAKE CARE OF THE SHIT, GUESS WHAT TIME WON'T CLEAN IT FOR YOU ffs

[–]Ambushh 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I get that people like hearing about this CLG drama and props to link for airing out his feelings but I honestly dont think it should've been posted. That kind of stuff should be private, roasting the team after being on the roster for so long does nothing good for the team. Anyone who's been on a team ever knows that you never have perfect teammates, everyone has their quirks, airing them out on social media is an inappropriate action imo.

I mean if he was thinking that stuff the whole time he was on CLG I guarantee you he wasn't a perfect teammate either.

[–]up48 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh please he said good things throughout and made it quit clear that he was distinctly separating professional from personal and still has positive feelings for the players and the org and considers them his friends.

Dont try to pain this as some raging tirade against clg.

[–]meiso 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

How exactly do motherfuckers burn bridges differently then non-motherfuckers?

[–]Azn_Bwin [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

While I agree is wrong to burn bridges like this, I don't think he expect writing this and showing it publicly to social media is going to be A-ok. From what he talks about his future plan, he is forever leaving the competitive scene and going back to school. If he plays at all, then is just casually in addition to making analysis and guide. I am assuming he is just cutting ties at this point and understand that he is not likely to be in contact with anyone on CLG anymore (As much as he has a right to vant his 3-years of frustration).

[–]PreExRedditor [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

it's definitely not doing the team any favors

it's very much not his team anymore

[–]Protopulse 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Better that than mince words. Either go big or go home.

[–]AwkweirdVan 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is fair, if you are going to make a statement, be transparent and be clear. Link accomplished this if nothing else.

[–]Anonymous157 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Either go big or go home. Link looks like he is doing both