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[–]grumpypenguin1[Free Richard Lewis] (NA)[🍰] 1492 ポイント1493 ポイント  (432子コメント)

Yo he just went IN on doublelift. holy shit

[–]anovagadro 632 ポイント633 ポイント  (180子コメント)

Seems like CLG might have to remove doublelift too if they want to improve their team synergy. To be fair, he is the common player in the CLG lineup.

[–]TheSoupKitchen 697 ポイント698 ポイント  (118子コメント)

Jiji adressed this when he was benched as well. Not sure why but everyone brushed it off as nothing much. Jiji said that it's not really CLG anymore, and it's doublelifts team, and if he doesn't like how you're playing, then you're (to quote link) "dunezo".

[–]TheDerkman 962 ポイント963 ポイント  (115子コメント)

Scarra on stream last night also just randomly said something along the lines of "there's a reason why you never see Aphro and DL duoing and Aphro is always playing with Sneaky."

[–]SoIrrelephant 460 ポイント461 ポイント  (54子コメント)

Not saying that it should happen because I really do like Lemon, but if somehow Lemon retires or something, I think Sneaky and Aphro would be a pretty godly bot lane.

[–]RestrictedAxcess 354 ポイント355 ポイント  (33子コメント)

I'm sure once Lemon steps down (if he does), C9 Aphromoo is like a 99.99% possibility

[–]easy_going 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lemon to coach, Aphro to support.

Lemon can have an even bigger notebook and Aphro plays together with a friend.

I mean, I only duoQ with my best buddy, because I can't trust other players as much and trust in your laning partner is the most important thing for a duo lane.

[–]Allthehigherground 109 ポイント110 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Actually The Pie will come back and play with aphro

[–]MyLoveHammer 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

but what about the other QT? aphro's bromance with muffin was too much, please we need someone who wont let Hotshot condescend to them.

[–]Fermorian[Fermorian] (NA) 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

YOU'RE NOT GONNA JUST CONDESCEND TO ME, BRO.

Wasn't it wings that muffinqt was arguing with anyway?

[–]LargerGorilla 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I believe! Here's my theory: Dyrus gets tired of getting shafted by TSM and leaves the organization at the end of the summer split. Dyrus has always loved playing with QT (his face completely lights up whenever they're in a skype call together) so joining a team with him is a healthy choice for him. Aphromoo leaves for the same reason. Dignitas will get relegated, freeing up Shiphtur to play on the team. Saint joins as Coach/Jungler and they find the last role somewhere in the free agent pool.

[–]CardboardJesusWoW 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Holy shit, it'd be CDE 2.0.

[–]LyricalMURDER 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

"Welcome, ladies and gentleman, to the 2016 NALCS Spring Split! We're diving right into the action with our first game between Team Liquid and the winner of last month's promotion tournament, Big Dick Club."

[–]ThisIsReLLiK 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Let this be truth.

[–]marquisregalia 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (3子コメント)

The prospect of that is making my brain stroke. Jeez how strong would that botlane be.

[–]DANCINGLINGS[Free Ricardo Luiz] (PH) 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Not only the bot the entire team... That team would be stacked as fk now with incarnation in mid. Imagine Balls, Meteos, Incarnation, Sneaky, Aphro lineup... brb changing my pants

[–]easy_going 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

brb changing my pants flair

[–]sibra93 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (0子コメント)

HOLY FUCK..the dream

[–]Molomar 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

If aphromoo went over to C9, I think that would cause me to burn whatever bridges I had left as a fan of CLG in the past. LIke right now, its pretty much bad for your health I think to be a fan of the team, but with Aphro gone... Who would stay?

[–]nataleywardstruck 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

pretty sure he meant it as aphro doesnt duo with dlift because it's not fun to play when he wants to have fun

[–]TheFakestFaker 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

i thought aphro and dl were good friends they always make it out to seem like they have a bromance

[–]Dr_Texas 258 ポイント259 ポイント  (35子コメント)

This subreddit just went from hating link to hating double so fast

[–]FireReadyAim 391 ポイント392 ポイント  (9子コメント)

I really like doublelift, but I have zero trouble believing that he's a bit of a diva and not always fun to play with.

[–]Nottan 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I agree, but someone who writes a letter like this burning every individual they have come in contact with over a few years doesn't sound too great to play with as well.

[–]MarcosLuis97 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is what happens when you are on a team filled with disappointment and everyone blames you for their failure.

[–]kuhzoo 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It wasn't burning everyone. There was definitely some burn and certainly harsh criticism. He talks up Aphro pretty well and, while harsh on Zion, he points out that a bunch of that comes from other factors as well.

[–]Glewisguy 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agreed, he's the player that got me in to competitive LoL (back when anyone who could get more than 1cs a minute was a god LOL) but now that I understand the game and have watched teams, I am not surprised at all that he can be a dick that's not a good co-worker.

[–]SonataWolf 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Same, huge fan of the guy, but someone seriously needs to slap him in the face a couple of times.

[–]sharthappens 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I enjoy his stream and his reactions to plays crack me up. He seems at ease on stream. I think the LCS makes it 'serious' in his head and ruins his attitude. Correct me if you see different.

[–]Masqerade 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean alot of people have always held this view ever since S2. Double has always stood out as a not so good teammate.

[–]JayMillah[Amexy] (NA) 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

he hasn't been hated for months now

[–]aphexmoon 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

the sub always hated Double for his attitude and inability to teamfight but praised him for his mechanics and his laning

[–]Snoopy_Hates_Germans 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Conservation of hatred. It's neither created nor destroyed, it just changes shape.

[–]Gabroux 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This subreddit blames DL for everything, nothing new here

[–]Ch4inLightning[Essential] (EU-W) 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

About time. Ive been hating him ever since his trash talk videos and double fanboys berated me. All aboard dlift-hate train now wankers.

[–]AsnSensation 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

ehh circle jerking aside double and aphro have played duo queue a lot since they started streaming on twitch again. the aphro and sneaky duos in the off season are because they are good friends but mostly because the two of them like the stream late into the night.

[–]JennyTheBootyBum 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

aphro does duo with lift alot, what? i think aphromoo is the only person doublelift respects.

[–]rainbowsauce1[RainbowSauce] (NA) 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (3子コメント)

link stated that doublelift didnt trust aphro in korea, but maybe it's changed now.

double and aphro literally fell apart during korea. double stopped trusting aphro and they got smashed by skt’s bottom lane. even the 2-3days before playoffs they refused to really communicated with each other. I had to sit them down together and watch a replay and reconcile.

[–]JennyTheBootyBum 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

fuck i didnt read that part, poor moo, its a good thing they made up but i think aphromoo deserves a better team like C9, TSM.

[–]rainbowsauce1[RainbowSauce] (NA) 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

tsm wouldn't take him because they have lustboy, but i think aphro would do great on c9.

[–]WaifuNoLaifu 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lustcena for life.

[–]TheDerkman 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Does he stream any of it? I mainly watch Scarra and Aphro's streams, and I haven't seen the two play together at all in months (excluding full ranked 5's).

Maybe DL streams it. If anything I'm just repeating what I heard on stream. I'll see if I can find a timestamp, pretty sure it was the May 12/13 VOD.

[–]TurriPi 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's friends with him alright, to quote Aphro on an interview somewhere, "Doublelift can be really harsh, but he's usually right".

[–]thelonewolf_ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thissssss. Plz people pay more attention to this.

[–]IM_SHIT_AT_MATHS 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hooooly shit

[–]skabadelic[Young Spinach] (NA) 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

At the same note, you don't see Sneaky with Lemon. However, Sneaky did address this directly on stream one night. He took the blame for it. Said that he plays with Lemon SO OFTEN, that it's way too easy for him to get annoyed at something lemon did or didn't do. So he doesn't duo as often with him anymore as a way of keeping the relationship healthy.
That's how I interpreted his words, anyway. You know how Sneaky is. He starts to tell you, and then just starts saying a lot of "IDK" and "maybe."

[–]FireReadyAim 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

sneaky is duoing with lemon literally right now.

[–]TheDerkman 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Very true. I looked into the game totals, and while Aphro has more solo queue games played with Sneaky in the last week than he has with Double in the last month or two; Sneaky actually has next to no solo queue games with Lemon (but I also don't know the C9 smurf names and such so I can't say exactly).

[–]Milk_Cows -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That makes me sad. I saw an Aphro/Doublelift stream like, a few weeks or a month ago I think, and it was one of the funniest streams I had ever seen.

The rush hour streams were always like that. I noticed the were duoing a lot less lately and then not at all most recently, but I didn't think too much of it since they always seemed to have a lot of fun when they did.

Figured they were still close.

[–]ThatSwigglyLine 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This drama is more juicy than Gragas' barrel.

[–]grotesquejak 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Everyone's been sucking dls d for years. Constantly heralded as best adc na or top 3 with tons of positional errors, bad builds and hard to work with. I don't know how no one noticed this for so long..

[–]TheSoupKitchen 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

bad builds

YES!

I have been saying for so long, doublelift has no idea how to build. FFS he was building BT on vayne and maxing Q when literally everyone else was maxing W with botrk. He honestly has no idea what he's doing in that regard (without Chauster to guide him.)

[–]Slitted 140 ポイント141 ポイント  (36子コメント)

Probably why they picked up Stixxay.

[–]Chamca 98 ポイント99 ポイント  (35子コメント)

and were looking at forgiven

[–]yiajiipamu 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (34子コメント)

Kind of glad they didn't pick him up though. If Doublelift's attitude has held back CLG all this time then I doubt Forg1ven would be much of an improvement.

[–]Pi-Roh 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (24子コメント)

According to that AMA by the coach Forg1ven is surprisingly easy to work with.

[–]Hautamaki 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Forg1ven seems like the kind of the guy that's great to coach but a pain to be a teammate of. I'm a teacher and I have students that kind of fit his mold. They are driven to do their best all the time, which is great from a coach's perspective, but the downside from a teammate's perspective is that they can be impatient, judgemental, even harsh if you underperform compared to their expectations. I imagine that the main problem with Forg1ven is that he is usually the top performer on the team, win or lose, so when they lose despite his performance he probably takes it out a bit on his teammates.

[–]seikenguy 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

And as a teacher, do you have any advice for children/people like that? Or you don't think that is something that should be fixed? Or maybe improved upon, attitude-wise?

[–]NephilemThingy 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's not that he's difficult, in fact it seems like he and Link would've gotten along. He wants perfection from his team, and when the team isn't trying to work up to it's fullest he gets mad. He's not only focused on himself, he's focused on everyone getting better.

[–]doomdg 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

there's a reason why you never see Aphro and DL duoing and Aphro is always playing with Sneaky

There are two situation that happens with forgiven, either every step the fuck up and be the best, or the team caves under pressure and kicks him.

Sadly, I don't see the rest of gambit responding well to his personality.

[–]GreatOwl1 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Aphro duos with just about everyone except DL.

[–]DecaydLoL 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah in terms of attitude and work effort, I feel he would be a big improvement in those. Yeah he may be a bit Lane-centric like LiftLift but he isn't someone who will make the team his. He contributes his part and work with the team to improve.

[–]squngy 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't know why people say Forgiven was lane centric or selfish and stuff like that.

He wins lane, yes, but he does everything else too.

When I watch SK, they were among the first to group up and Forgiven was probably the most active ADC in team fights from both LCS.

There were literally games when Forgiven would in the middle of a team-fight dash on top of a carry and assassinate them.

[–]DominoNo- 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The only reason why Forgiven left CW is because of his issues with YB and because Forgiven left to join NiP. But even him and YB still respect each other and from what I can tell DL doesn't exactly respect too many people.

[–]Tortillagirl 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

forgiven wants to win, and he wants everyone on his team to put massive amounts of effort into winning. Hes only going to run into problems when he has teammates who dont try hard enough to win.

[–]theelementalflow 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Forg1ven understands what it means to win as a team if he needs to group, he will group. DoubleLift just wants to win his lane. Hard tunel Vision.

[–]crudelegend[crudelegend] (NA) 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Forgiven is hard working but he also recognizes mistakes, both by him and his team. Hes the brutally honest type of guy.

[–]Atreiyu 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hearing this, Forg1ven is 10x better.

Forg1ven doesn't tell the team what to do, he expects his team to try really hard and do well. If not he leaves the team.

DL tells the team what to do; if they can't do it, he kicks them

[–]Leov2 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Exactly. People might get on your back and say, "Oh Godgiven is such a nice guy he hasn't flamed anymore."

One thing is to not be publically fined and shamed by Riot, another thing is to be a negative impact on your team. There's a reason he has been in and out of three different teams in the time span some pros don't even leave one team.

[–]toastymow 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Forgiven seems to be a better team player than Doublelift. Only seemed to dislike SK's management and specifically Nrated as his lane partner.

[–]squngy 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Look at SKs games.

Then tell me if Forgiven did not group well, or got more ganks than was needed.

[–]aguywithaplan 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I've said it for so long and people don't believe me. Clg has always been plagued by making sure double was the star/carry. Rather than making the team win. A real star helps a team win. A fake one has their team help them look like one. For this reason I believe turtle is underrated, yeah he does stupid shit but has definitely performed and has even put the team on his back. So much respect for link speaking his mind

[–]pjchow 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think the better alternative is to have a stronger minded person who the team knows to listen to over Doublelift. Having a player who isn't the smartest but voices their opinion is much more valuable than the smart player who barely speaks up.

[–]anovagadro 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

CLG Saintvicious confirmed. Oh wait...

[–]TheLonePilgrim 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sadly, I feel this way too. Even though he is the reason I supported CLG in the first place.

[–]MarryDingoes 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why the hell does reddit want to remove every player? This is what happened to Nien, Dexter, and now Link. The problem isn't only Double. It's the whole CLG environment and management. You have to recognize that there is more to th problem than just Double. He just happens to be a large factor. Sure, the team environment may seem unfixable, but removing a player DOES NOT solve the problem (again, refer back to Nien, Dexter, Link, etc.). It only works when the management and team environment is strong and healthy and needs to remove destructive behavior (like Regi's removal of Chaox).

[–]Hoizengerd 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

don't know how many years i've been saying it, until DL is removed from CLG they will never stand a chance, it always reverts to "DL will carry, everyone get him fed" when the days of ADC's are long gone...as long as he's on the team CLG is fucked, cause even if they tried (which they have) his ego won't allow it, cause everyone's been telling him for years he's hot shit, he started to believe his own hype. not even faker can solo carry a game, & DL, faker you are not

[–]monwidadan 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bring on gosu. Or at least bench double until he improves himself, much like TL with Piglet. I'm sure gosu could hold things down for a couple weeks, the way Keith did.

[–]BGYeti 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think it has been obvious for awhile, the dude's ego is too huge for a mediocre player. Everyone just lets it slide because that is his personality but any owner or coach who is smart would have gotten rid of him long ago.

[–]XenithShade 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's like the game Resistance.... which one is the spy....

[–]shamelessweeaboo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Doublelift joined CLG in December 2011.

Last CLG LAN win: MLG Raleigh August 2011

Coincidence? I THINK NOT!

[–]alexdude007 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

True that!

[–]bussta 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It actually sounds like removing Link will help a lot. He honestly didn't blame himself in all of the 18 pages. He said his Lissandra ulti vs TSM wasn't that big of a problem, he only loses to Bjergsen because of roams from Lustboy. I mean it was a good read and insightful to what he had to go through within that house but I have never seen somebody who has clearly failed in his own right blame everything besides himself. I guarantee Dexter, DL, Monte could tear Link a new asshole but nobody likes that guy. You don't shit on your teammates to the public. It's not surprising at all that Nien is talking out his ass again saying "I will be the best player just believe in me. "I can't wait to shit on Double". Yeah shut up, you've been saying the same shit for 3 years. How about you actually do it instead of talking about it.

At the same time I can only imagine what's going on within the house right now. Link brought up some legitimate concerns. If Double and Aphro really aren't getting along that's a problem. The biggest roster change for CLG hasn't happened yet. They need a coach that can come in here and address several of Link's legitimate problems with the organization.

[–]CLG_wrath[S] 238 ポイント239 ポイント  (33子コメント)

Yes he did all out.

[–]dresdenologist 145 ポイント146 ポイント  (10子コメント)

A lot of people are going to say this is just Link's perspective, and it is, since we don't get the whole story. But just this glimpse into the team and you can see why CLG appears dysfunctional. When people don't trust one another, when team strats fall apart, when, well, a team doesn't function like a team, no amount of raw talent can fix something like that. There's gonna be a lot of swingy opinions about CLG players/management the next few days as different perspectives come out, but it appears the constant is that there is a clear issue with standards, practices, and conflict resolution.

These are the times when management/ownership need to be able to provide a firm hand, real consequences for refusing to work with the team, and an objective eye to fixing team problems. The coaches all seem to not command this level of respect and the ownership appears a little directionless as far as fixing the issues.

Let's be honest - no team is complete paradise, but if you don't build it on a foundation of clarity, chain of command, and ability to resolve conflict it rests on the head of a pin. I hope they find their way.

[–]DominoNo- 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

A good captain is able to keep his team together, no matter what. Despite their personal flaws.

It's why I really like CW Youngbuck. Similar to Snoopeh. He might be a crappy laner, but one of the best team captains in the game.

[–]dresdenologist 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is why I got really surprised when Link identified himself as the captain. Yes, there is something to be said when you do not have the authority or inherent respect to be seen as the captain but it is also on you to exude and provide that level of leadership and lead by example. You can still do this while not being the best of players - you cite Youngbuck, who is a good example but the most obvious recent one who is now gone is Hai.

Again, it's possible Link didn't get the support he needed to be a good leader, but he sure didn't do any favors himself to grab those reins and be one, either.

[–]ninbushido[ninbushido] (NA) 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean in all these rosters there has been one common factor: Doublelift.

He's also known for being a very lane-centric player and being very needy as an ADC.

Definitely no coincidence. Although a big issue is chain of command --- nobody there to shut down Doublelift's ego (if it can be...it seems to have grown to such ridiculous proportions already).

[–]dartimos 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It may just be his perspective, but it rings very true. And to keep it up for 14 pages...

[–]Milk_Cows 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't know that people will just say it's his perspective. Nien is backing Link up, and it may have been a while ago now, but Jiji had said the same things, about how it's basically Doublelift's team and how dysfunctional it was.

[–]Evilbunz 50 ポイント51 ポイント  (21子コメント)

There is so much bitterness and resentment in there as well... the post about Monte... where he goes "yeah he made us play this sivir comp that won us 3 - 4 weeks of LCS... but pshhh its just a sivir you just group and win right?" Like he shouldn't get credit for that when 2 lines before he said Doublelift didn't wanna play caitlyn.

And that tryouts section... this guy lol.

LOL..... the entire thing is oozing bitterness. It is very bias but it is also the best insight and perspective we can get into what happened within CLG.

[–]TubbyFlounder 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think the point he was trying to make was that Montes coaching actually worked when he was there but when Monte asked them to do something over Skype it just would not happen.

[–]mouse-ion 131 ポイント132 ポイント  (13子コメント)

As if you wouldn't be bitter and biased after that kind of experience. I don't think anyone gets to judge Link.

[–]wishinghook 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (4子コメント)

So Link gets to publicly judge everyone on CLG, but he can't be judged?

[–]Timeb0mbGR 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

If someone from CLG has something to say against it he can raise, else this block of salt seems biased but rather realistic, given circumstances and the vods of CLG since lcs debut.

[–]wishinghook 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

other teams probably have similar issues if not worse. it's kind of awkward that CLG's gets aired lol. regardless, I hope that something positive can come out of this for both CLG and lolesports. this airs a lot of problems that I doubt are unique to CLG and I hope this post could be a wake up call. for instance, I think it's pretty important to recruit people with similar ideas of the game. we see super teams constantly formed then fail, which I suspect has something to do with lack of unity. whole thing is super complicated, but I think some good can come out of it. imo, it would have been cooler if Link did a big interview like Hai did.

CLGFIGHTING :)

[–]zanguine 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

no one gets to, he has a right to be biased, but we just have to remember, this post is still biased

[–]SavageSand 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

LOL he's just saying that you can sense the bitterness in Link's letter which is apparently. Where's the judgement?

[–]PandaCodeRed 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What why? Anyone who followed the NA LCS can judge him as a LCS player. He clearly wasn't up to par, maybe their were other problems in CLG but that doesn't make him suddenly a good player.

[–]drewgood 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think they mean judging him personally, not as a player.

[–]McNamaraWasRight -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If he knew about the issues for so long, why didnt he speak up? If the environment was so cancerous, why not leave while he was still regarded as one of the best NA mids?

[–]ImKoncerned 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly, definitely some interesting insight but the post was all over the place. I believe most of what he's said (no reason not to at this point + it doesn't seem very far fetched at all) but he's acting like his shit doesn't stink. Take the Lissandra Ult for example where he covers it up with "we shouldn't have taken that fight to begin with" how the fuck is that any different than some of the things he bashed Dlift for?

[–]zergling212 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He didn't hate on Monte.. He pointed out what went wrong and what he did well.

[–]MarlboroMundo 345 ポイント346 ポイント  (94子コメント)

Doublelift is too cocky for his own good. You don't need to be an analyst to see this. Link probably wanted to say this forever but now he is gone from CLG he doesn't give a flying fuck.

[–]fasty1 200 ポイント201 ポイント  (73子コメント)

How can he be so cocky after not winning jack shit since what? 4-5 years of playing?

[–]PhoOhThree 129 ポイント130 ポイント  (28子コメント)

When everybody calls him one of the best AD carry in the role that he has been playing for a long time and after not winning and still being famed as one of the best, it has gotten to him.

[–]nelly676 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (0子コメント)

vayne montages give people the illusion that they are winning stuff.

[–]Tizzlefix 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So he's the Smeagol of LoL?

[–]doomdg 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

People still call him one of the best because he makes the team play around him, so when it works, he does the most damage and carries, and when it doesn;t its suddenly top/mid/jungle at fault.

[–]paul232 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's been ages since CLG based their strats around Doublelift.

[–]wankstainjones 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

He is the embodiment of NA. Quick to talk, slow to actually put into action.

[–]jjjkong[StP Gemlo] (NA) 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So its actually other teams being so incredibly smart that they just neea make claims about Dlift being the best to completely fuck CLG over. Damn this is so hilarious. In all honesty I don't think Dlift is the best ad in NA too, probably behind sneaky at least, somewhere with piglet in his current form, better than turtle and what, cop?

[–]GreatOwl1 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've never really thought he was one of the best ADCs.

DL is good at stat padding. He makes plays that will benefit his score (cs and kills) but is never willing to make any form of sacrifice for the greater good.

[–]Itsmedudeman 263 ポイント264 ポイント  (32子コメント)

Cause he thinks winning lane and the 10 cs lead he gets makes him the better player.

[–]iamhaddy 100 ポイント101 ポイント  (19子コメント)

he's like that basketball player that only knows how to play iso and beat someone 1 v 1. I mean sure iso'ing and scoring is part of the game, but if you are so focused on it you suck at everything else you are not a good basketball player.

[–]Aerys 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

thats a thoorin level analogy right there, really true imo, atleast from what we can see as outsider fans of the situation, double seems to be so focused on out laning his opponent he cant see the game in a larger scope and do what needs to be done to win the 5v5 team game and not just his little laning

[–]sumwut 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Great analogy. Especially since basketball is 5v5.

DoubleLift=Carmelo Anthony/Allen Iverson

[–]ImSoRude 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Dunno, Melo has made a career out of it, and he is definitely a good basketball player.

[–]FatalFirecrotch 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

And what have his teams done? He has made it out of the first round of the playoffs like once in his career. That proves the guys point exactly.

[–]daedpool 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He can't even get a cs lead anymore.

[–]bastele 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Tbh the whole LoL community is like this,we overvalue laning above all else.

[–]ProN00b 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mental gymnastics bro!

[–]MarlboroMundo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's who he is. Some athletes just don't know the difference between cockiness and confidence.

[–]BlazeX94 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He probably blames his teammates for the losses and thinks it wasn't his fault and that if he had better teammates he'd be world champion.

[–]xgenoriginal 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Doublelift 2014 ""Fuck those kids" when talking about his stream viewers

[–]Peach-Hime 57 ポイント58 ポイント  (11子コメント)

I don't even get how someone can lose so much and still be that cocky.

[–]Sp0il 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The community strokes his ego, that's how.

[–]grotesquejak 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because everyone continues to say he's top 2 na when there is literally no evidence to support that claim.

[–]Webemperor 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

With an ego that can shatter glass.

[–]DoITSavage 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

cocky is the wrong word I think.. I think he is probably an easily stressed person and he probably is used to relying only on himself whether he wants to or not.

My sister used to get borderline panick attacks when other people did things for her or didn't let her do a job efficiently. She was almost incapable of letting other people do work for her and always wanted to do the most work in groups.

I don't wanna overstick up for him or anything. But I would guess he is a perfectionist and wants to do everything he can and let his team enable him to carry the weight.

I think that is a more positive way to look at it anyway. I think link's post is going to paint a lot of people's immediate opinion about doublelift as bad right now. Honestly it sounds like they needed more support staff properly isolating the problems... and like a long time ago.

[–]HeavyMetalHero 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, in short, you're so insecure about how other people will perceive your value as a person that you need to overcompensate massively by doing more, and doing it all better, than anybody around you. That's a tendency I've had. If you aren't doing so much that you're the stand-out, irreplaceable rock that everybody is leaning on, you can't cope with the anxiety that everybody will subsequently abandon you for being replaceable.

[–]Shambels21 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

it is interesting how people just seem oblivious to his attitude you can see it from a mile. Of course its gona translate how Link described.
Edit: phones op.

[–]TheVvote 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah he jokes about his arrogance sometimes when casting but you can tell when he says that shit that it's completely genuine.

[–]notoriousFIL 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Uncoachable.

[–]Frohirrim 76 ポイント77 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yep. Basically said that Lift's insecurity and selfishness is keeping Aphro from being the top support in NA.

[–]crono1224 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even more than that, that he doesn't adapt to the roaming support meta. Which more than effecting Aphro it effects the whole team, because he can't hold the lane solo.

[–]JimTM 304 ポイント305 ポイント  (75子コメント)

Is anyone surprised? Watch DL's stream for 5 minutes and you'll get an idea of what a piece of shit he is. He will get fucking dumpstered by some random solo q player and then constantly go on about how terrible that player is. He also has the worst fucking theorycrafting of any LCS player ever. Like Link mentioned with the sorc shoes on corki, DL does not know what good items are and will build what he likes regardless of what anyone else says. DL has been in the scene for YEARS and has done almost nothing. Look at LCS, CLG has had to play relegation matches multiple times and has repeatedly been sweeped in playoffs. DL is just not a good player, there is a reason that foreign teams don't mention him anymore, CLG will NEVER be in a position to play at international tournaments as long as they have DL on their roster. The only reason he got famous to begin with was because he was known as a mechanically skilled player, which was all that mattered back then, but now when literally every single pro has the best mechanics the game comes entirely down to strategy and being smarter than your opponents and that's not something DL has. If CLG wants to succeed, their roster has no room for someone like DoubleLift. Like Link said, all he cares about is laning phase. Look at FNC at MSI, Steelback got shit on pretty much every laning phase but then showed the fuck up in teamfights because they have carry toplane/jungle. Look at the other adcs at MSI, some of them dominated lane some didnt but the one thing they had in common was that they did SOMETHING in teamfights. Any remember DLs amazing equalizers in LCS? his teamfighting as an adc is ATROCIOUS. And that's all that matters now, being good in lane is just something that comes naturally to most pro players, yet it is the only thing DL cares about and he doesn't even win lane the majority of the time. Auto spacing? He started a meme based on how much he got shit on by Piglet. DL is a complete joke and a horrible player for CLG, there is a reason players like Nien/Seraph/possibly Dexter leave CLG and suddenly become good. CLG gets these great players and then DL completely shits on them by flaming them and blaming them for his shortcomings and forcing them to play to his shitty playstyle. I think Pobelter will be better for CLG now that Link has been completely fucking demoralized by having to go through hell with DL, but if CLG really wants to make a change they need to get rid of DoubleLift.

[–]Leadback 154 ポイント155 ポイント  (21子コメント)

I do recall him saying something like "I know that [enemy AD carry] is dogshit because he went Brutalizer first on Lucian." Then lost the lane.

[–]Lenticious 76 ポイント77 ポイント  (19子コメント)

I feel like someone will bring up Triforce Kogmaw anytime now!

[–]NaveGoesHard 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Or draven

[–]karenias -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (17子コメント)

I have faith in this sub. I'm sure the good denizens of this sub do not need to be reminded that it was 4.4 that brought Triforce Kog to the forefront and that Genja's build was terribly inoptimal during the S3 Worlds patch.

[–]sir_AstroMonkey 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Actually Rekkles even said he thought the build was good. There's also the fact that Imp thought the build was legitimate enough to copy it himself. I'd say genja has weird builds but this was a case of two INTERNATIONAL WORLD CLASS level adcs agreeing with genja's triforce kog vs. doublelifts opinion

[–]icedrya 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Genja never proved himself in his carreer sorry dude, we are talking about Doublelift here.

/s

[–]Ceegee93 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Err, I think you'll find that patch 3.10 was when Triforce was changed, it was actually cheaper than it was later on when other adcs started buying it AND the rage proc was nerfed for ranged champs later on. Patch 4.4 didn't make kog any better or worse with triforce. The build was definitely just as viable when Genja did it, if not slightly better. compared to now.

[–]Bus_Chucker 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

4.4 removed the mana cost on Kog'Maw's W and made Q a skillshot so you could proc sheen easier.

[–]Ceegee93 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

He had just as easy a time proccing sheen with his ult back then as he does now. These changes alone did not make triforce go from "terribly inoptimal" to one of the best items on Kog.

[–]Lenticious 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I really hope that's sarcastic... even Deft (or was that Imp) who lost to it went on to try the build...

[–]icedrya 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

TF was nerfed after worlds so actually.. yeah it was even a better choice when Genja done it

bye

[–]Leadback 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Number buffs don't mean anything. Genja legitimately foresaw the build.

[–]SlayEverythingIGN 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I honestly hate his stream. He's so toxic, even when he's winning. It just sounds like he's a 10 year old child at all times. Just talking about how "Oh we just shit on them. They have no chance, might as well ff at 20", and when he's losing "Well out support didn't do shit. They would have been fucked if the jungler ganked. His item build is trash, but he's being carried".

He seems like a nightmare to play with, and he's a horrible player to watch.

[–]Itsmedudeman 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Auto spacing? He started a meme based on how much he got shit on by Piglet.

I died RIP

[–]Dragull 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

To quote Qtpie: "I'm telling you, Double, god bless his soul, he's good at this game, but he's fucking dumb as bricks. This motherfucker is dumb as bricks."

[–]inv0kr 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (1子コメント)

also the amount of solo q supports he calls retarded and the amount of times he does it per person. srs u could make a movie lmao

Edit: why am I getting downvoted. Srsly anyone who has watched doublelifts stream can confirm this. Anyone who has watched him lane on stream. Anyone and everyone

[–]moush 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's just double's fans tryin to hide/ignore the truth.

[–]grotesquejak 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Holy shit thank god for link cuz I've been saying this for months and got downvoted to shit cuz reddit and everyone still is infatuated with zOMG DL MECHANICS. And now proper criticisms are actually being acknowledged/upvoted.

[–]MallFoodSucks 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I still remember the Frozen Mallet game or when he used to go BT Vayne when everyone and their mother was playing Bork.

[–]Chairmeow 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your post reminds me of Link's farewell letter.

[–]theelementalflow 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Piglet understands win conditions which DLift doesn't lol, and you wonder why Piglet showed up in teamfights even while behind in lane and still 2 levels above DoubleLift. TL protects their ad carries, but they also funnel resources into their top lane unlike CLG and TSM.

[–]Tokibolt 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yah exactly, I can't believe people post his analysis of the game. Yah I'm a fan of CLG and Doublelift and what not. But when he came to CLG he was just a guy who could click well. OH WAIT HE STILL IS. Guess who had to control Doublelift literally all of Season 2? Chauster the god mind.

[–]IRTT 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reminds me of the times where DL refused to play Draven because he "sucked" when Draven was ridiculously amazing.

[–]Whoopziedaisy 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

D. Lift's favorite word on stream is "garbage". He uses it a lot when talking about enemy players / teammates/ basically anyone in the game except him.

Watching Double and Aphro duo is always funny to me because once Double starts spewing his rage-hate I think Aphro kind of just feels awkward and gets quiet and you can tell he has significantly less fun than he normally would.

All it takes is watching Double's stream for 5 minutes to get a glimpse of most of the things Link was talking about. I can't imagine how much more amplified Double's shittalking is in an actual team setting, where things matter more and people are on more edge.

[–]swordsnotwords 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

yo man, I don't care if you're on the DL hate train, but plz at least find your way to the formatting car.

[–]IM_SHIT_AT_MATHS 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're so right it hurts.

[–]TheFatalWound 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

rap game IdrA?

[–]AncientBehemoth 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This reminds me so much of Ocelote. So much big talk and nothing literally nothing behind it. I remember Oce being stuck in 1900 Elo while every other pro was at at least 2200 and still saying he's the greatest finding excuses for everything.

[–]GeckoSoldierX[HYPERlON] (NA) 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Doublelift gets autospaced so bad. :3

[–]dirty_ronin [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Watch DL's stream for 5 minutes and you'll get an idea of what a piece of shit he is.

Fuck those kids.

Don't even know how he still has so many viewers with that shit.

[–]Coronalol 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Upvoting you because I know A LOT of salty fans are going to not like it due to how real you kept it.

[–]buyusetna 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

now you just need a CLG flair

[–]funnyguy1989 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

dude you rock!

[–]MochiBombs 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (5子コメント)

[–]prosnorkulus 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Wow what a shitty .gif lol

[–]iDannyEL[iShinobi] (NA) 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

[–]Hunterkiller00 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

/r/tumblrgifs is more appropriate

[–]Bus_Chucker 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"It's a bee"

[–]sourc3original 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Thats a bing.. Thats a bing.. Thats a bing.."

[–]Apatheee 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Holy shit I never realized how much I agree with this point until now. Well put.

[–]Chemicals23[Chemicals23] (NA) 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"clg will never play on the world stage again."

Well ya. That's what we learned when team liquid broke the curse.

[–]naocist 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

WORD. So true, I've always said Doublelift is a fucking trash and get downvoted to oblivion, every fucking time

[–]ayevee21 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

True dat.

[–]SlushieLoL 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

if anyone most clg fans should be happy Link went in on him if CLG fails another split Dl will almost 100% be benched

[–]SeeBoar 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"He’ll trust teammates in the beginning and let jungler go top or mid or elsewhere but at some point something is going to relate to him. It’s what has happened for the past 2-3 years. When playoff approaches somehow it becomes his responsibility to step up and ruin the dynamic of the team that everyone was working on for the entire split. "

He called double out so fucking hard.

[–]Skoth 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Honestly, I read that section and it perfectly fit how I already imagined DL being like on a team. He's a likeable guy, and I think I'd be able to get along with him in almost any situation, but I wouldn't want to be on a professional team with him.

[–]moba_kings 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

well he is a vayne main

[–]SummonerShiva 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

double needs this. Incredibly gifted player held by back his ego and lack of trust.

[–]moush 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's too late now. Hotshot has enabled him for far too long for Double to change. It also doesn't help that his fans love him even when he has never secured any wins.

[–]RajuTM 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have said it time and time again, doublelift might be good but if he is toxic then shit doesn't matter

[–]gusgonzales7[DuckDuckGus] (NA) -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Happy cake day