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ChannelFireball Statement Regarding Amy Weber Artwork (self.magicTCG)

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[–]kkyqqp 148 ポイント149 ポイント  (23子コメント)

There's always two sides to a story. But that doesn't mean one side is lying, usually what happens is that both sides see the same events in different ways and with different evaluations.

Amy’s attorney contacted us asking that we return the artwork. We replied that we were happy to return the artwork if Amy could provide reasonable proof that it was stolen (police report, insurance claim, registration of the art as stolen, etc.). To date, no such reasonable proof has been offered.

For example, what exactly "reasonable proof" here might be where the whole issue comes from. CFB might expect proof to be some kind of insurance claim or police report, and Amy Weber might think some other piece of evidence was enough. By the language of the posts it sounds like there may have been some inconsistencies involved with filing police reports and documenting the situation in a standard way with authorities.

[–]FiveStarCards -22 ポイント-21 ポイント  (22子コメント)

Its not for CFB to determine what is reasonable. The police and courts will be doing that so enough.

[–]paulHarkonen 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yes and no, you're right that if the courts determine it was stolen CFB is giving it back no matter what. However, if there is no court order, police report or other legal document that tells CFB what they have to do with the art, then they absolutely are within their rights to make decisions regarding how to dispose of their own art. They can definitely say "this isn't enough to convince me, come back with something better or a court order" and be on the legal up and up. The reddit court of public opinion is a different question.

[–]Idras_Hairline 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The reddit court of public opinion is a different question

Thats the sad part. For a company like CFB, they probably care just as much if not more than about what the community thinks about them. Combine that and the fact that anyone can get on reddit and post absolutely anything whatsoever, and you can really screw someone over.

[–]RedCloakedCrow 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Honestly, just that they made this statement, and are turning over the artwork to the police pending documentation, makes me think they're totally in the right. Way I see it, they've got way too much stake in the community's faith in them as a vendor to risk losing over what I can't believe is more than 10,000$.

[–]iburnchildren 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fair enough, but CFB also has no duty to turn the art over until such a verdict has been reached.

[–]Boxen_of_Moxen 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly. Just wait and see—either way giving it to the police was the best outcome.

[–]RedCloakedCrow 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (16子コメント)

It absolutely is. Legally, they're on perfectly solid ground right now. They bought a piece of art, and were told the seller was the current owner. Now, the artist tries to call them out on Facebook for buying stolen art. However, there are no presentable legal documents that show the artwork was in fact stolen. Outside of an actual legal document proving that the artwork was stolen, they can decide a reasonable amount of proof that would be needed for them to give up the pieces.