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[–]objayy 386 ポイント387 ポイント  (10子コメント)

seraph literally hated dexter and told him to never gank top

omg

[–]Atreiyu 76 ポイント77 ポイント  (4子コメント)

solo queue

[–]xgenoriginal 64 ポイント65 ポイント  (2子コメント)

should I try out for clg? I get this comment a lot so I think I would fit in with the team spirit

[–]Leadback 372 ポイント373 ポイント  (12子コメント)

This is the most insightful League-related story I've read. Along with NK Inc's one.

[–]killtasticfever 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (2子コメント)

What was NK incs? Was he the one who was talking about how toxic the environment of velocity was/

[–]grumpypenguin1[Free Richard Lewis] (NA)[🍰] 1377 ポイント1378 ポイント  (402子コメント)

Yo he just went IN on doublelift. holy shit

[–]anovagadro 572 ポイント573 ポイント  (166子コメント)

Seems like CLG might have to remove doublelift too if they want to improve their team synergy. To be fair, he is the common player in the CLG lineup.

[–]TheSoupKitchen 631 ポイント632 ポイント  (104子コメント)

Jiji adressed this when he was benched as well. Not sure why but everyone brushed it off as nothing much. Jiji said that it's not really CLG anymore, and it's doublelifts team, and if he doesn't like how you're playing, then you're (to quote link) "dunezo".

[–]TheDerkman 873 ポイント874 ポイント  (101子コメント)

Scarra on stream last night also just randomly said something along the lines of "there's a reason why you never see Aphro and DL duoing and Aphro is always playing with Sneaky."

[–]SoIrrelephant 410 ポイント411 ポイント  (48子コメント)

Not saying that it should happen because I really do like Lemon, but if somehow Lemon retires or something, I think Sneaky and Aphro would be a pretty godly bot lane.

[–]RestrictedAxcess 299 ポイント300 ポイント  (29子コメント)

I'm sure once Lemon steps down (if he does), C9 Aphromoo is like a 99.99% possibility

[–]Dr_Texas 210 ポイント211 ポイント  (30子コメント)

This subreddit just went from hating link to hating double so fast

[–]FireReadyAim 315 ポイント316 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I really like doublelift, but I have zero trouble believing that he's a bit of a diva and not always fun to play with.

[–]Slitted 134 ポイント135 ポイント  (36子コメント)

Probably why they picked up Stixxay.

[–]Chamca 92 ポイント93 ポイント  (35子コメント)

and were looking at forgiven

[–]CLG_wrath[S] 225 ポイント226 ポイント  (30子コメント)

Yes he did all out.

[–]dresdenologist 130 ポイント131 ポイント  (8子コメント)

A lot of people are going to say this is just Link's perspective, and it is, since we don't get the whole story. But just this glimpse into the team and you can see why CLG appears dysfunctional. When people don't trust one another, when team strats fall apart, when, well, a team doesn't function like a team, no amount of raw talent can fix something like that. There's gonna be a lot of swingy opinions about CLG players/management the next few days as different perspectives come out, but it appears the constant is that there is a clear issue with standards, practices, and conflict resolution.

These are the times when management/ownership need to be able to provide a firm hand, real consequences for refusing to work with the team, and an objective eye to fixing team problems. The coaches all seem to not command this level of respect and the ownership appears a little directionless as far as fixing the issues.

Let's be honest - no team is complete paradise, but if you don't build it on a foundation of clarity, chain of command, and ability to resolve conflict it rests on the head of a pin. I hope they find their way.

[–]MarlboroMundo 299 ポイント300 ポイント  (84子コメント)

Doublelift is too cocky for his own good. You don't need to be an analyst to see this. Link probably wanted to say this forever but now he is gone from CLG he doesn't give a flying fuck.

[–]fasty1 170 ポイント171 ポイント  (64子コメント)

How can he be so cocky after not winning jack shit since what? 4-5 years of playing?

[–]PhoOhThree 113 ポイント114 ポイント  (23子コメント)

When everybody calls him one of the best AD carry in the role that he has been playing for a long time and after not winning and still being famed as one of the best, it has gotten to him.

[–]nelly676 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

vayne montages give people the illusion that they are winning stuff.

[–]Itsmedudeman 236 ポイント237 ポイント  (29子コメント)

Cause he thinks winning lane and the 10 cs lead he gets makes him the better player.

[–]iamhaddy 90 ポイント91 ポイント  (16子コメント)

he's like that basketball player that only knows how to play iso and beat someone 1 v 1. I mean sure iso'ing and scoring is part of the game, but if you are so focused on it you suck at everything else you are not a good basketball player.

[–]Peach-Hime 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (10子コメント)

I don't even get how someone can lose so much and still be that cocky.

[–]Sp0il 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The community strokes his ego, that's how.

[–]Frohirrim 72 ポイント73 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yep. Basically said that Lift's insecurity and selfishness is keeping Aphro from being the top support in NA.

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@FSN_Nien

2015-05-14 05:26 UTC

repsect to link for being so open about his time on CLG, can confirm almost everything that was said at least during the period i was there.


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[–]gonzaloetjo 56 ポイント57 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Nice to read. This should be higher since it makes everything more plausible.

[–]X1nEohP 77 ポイント78 ポイント  (4子コメント)

monte gave up on us (straight up walked out the door after scrims), seraph literally hated dexter and told him to never gank top (which was fucking hilarious btw) and he became a true isolated top laner (more so than anyone ever was on CLG)

Holy never in my mind i thought it would be that bad...

[–]Legumeee[CurryshotGG] (NA) 560 ポイント561 ポイント  (19子コメント)

Can also confirm that Nien is super receptive to coaching and has THE BEST attitude of all time in league of legends when it comes to the game.

[–]sokoteur 232 ポイント233 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I can't remember what episode of Summoning Insight, but Monte said something along the lines of "Nien was like the mom of the team, he was encouraging and positive every second he was there. I couldn't have asked for a better guy to work with." He legit sounded sad knowing how much shit Nien had to deal with that season.

[–]photofluid 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I also remember Monte saying that Nien was the "cheer leader" of CLG

[–]MonkeyCube 147 ポイント148 ポイント  (5子コメント)

If I didn't recognize your name as one of the former FSN coaches, I would have assumed you were being sarcastic.

[–]whatsuppunk 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think you and Monte can attest to that. Nien was Monte's favorite player on the team to coach iirc.

[–]hackandsash 81 ポイント82 ポイント  (2子コメント)

That last tweet is so fucking tasty

[–]seanjasey 79 ポイント80 ポイント  (13子コメント)

People should see this! Also Link should make a team with Nien and then face CLG in the LCS how epic would that be.

[–]rudeboyboyboy 124 ポイント125 ポイント  (9子コメント)

hey i hear saint is a free agent....and elementz is out there somewhere

[–]akillerfrog 141 ポイント142 ポイント  (30子コメント)

i just cant wait to get on a lcs team and dumpster double tbh, one day ill be able to show u guys how good i really am. thx 4 ze support :)

Holy shit, that's a pretty intense dislike for Doublelift. I can't imagine what he must have said to make someone like Nien hate him that much.

Also, Nien actually already did that when he insanely hard-carried a game for Team Marn back in Season 3 as Tristana against CLG!

[–]AsunaPls 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nien's expansion on that tweet, clearing up any misconceptions here. http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sm6s4p

[–]RegularHamboning 1674 ポイント1675 ポイント  (204子コメント)

Well one thing you can say about Link is he put up with the community hate for longer than any other player I can think of.

[–]CLG_wrath[S] 848 ポイント849 ポイント  (124子コメント)

And was willing to fire back hard

[–]RegularHamboning 525 ポイント526 ポイント  (107子コメント)

He just went full out giving his honest opinion on everything.

[–]Toriyosh[🍰] 640 ポイント641 ポイント  (10子コメント)

This is one of the juiciest posts about the players surrounding CLG like oh my gosh

[–]gogc 165 ポイント166 ポイント  (45子コメント)

Man, it's crazy. Pretty much everyone who left CLG had such negative things to say about the team or left on bad terms. Voyboy, Nien, Dexter, Seraph, Link...

Makes you think about a team like TSM where I can't recall Rainman, Chaox, Xpecial, or Gleeb saying anything bad about the team once they left.

[–]OkIWin 261 ポイント262 ポイント  (19子コメント)

Chaox definitely had some negative things to say about Reginald...

[–]VordakKallager 290 ポイント291 ポイント  (14子コメント)

Well, to be fair, Reginald has explicitly stated that he regrets how he handled the Chaox situation and that he pretty much ruined a very old friendship. And on Chaox' part, his complaints were with the benching situation and then that it was hard because Reginald was simultaneously his co-worker and his boss and his friend, which is obviously something Regi himself recognized and stepped down to focus purely on being the owner.

So at least on Regi's part, I think there has been a lot of growth and maturing as a person that is visible over the past 5 years. And other ex-TSM players almost exclusively have good things to say about Regi, as far as I have seen.

[–]TheLonePilgrim 97 ポイント98 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Rainman had some negative shit to say about TSM. But tbh, rainman is the reason rainman got kicked, because he didnt want to take the game seriously.

[–]thisted101 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (1子コメント)

First, he didn't get kicked and second he thought mechanics/solo queue was how you were supposed to improve the game so I actually respect him for leaving the team when he disagreed with how it was run even if he was wrong.

[–]Evilbunz 195 ポイント196 ポイント  (43子コメント)

He was a problem in it as well. All of CLG was including him but the biggest blame can never go to any player, the biggest blame will and should always go to the management for being so incompetent.

HotshotGG was supposedly bringing out more change... and I guess the change was Pobelter (seriously??) and Huhi and they only got in because Link left on his own.

Great change mate. See you in relegations again.

EDIT: Link describing their trip to Korea sounds like a hangover movie.... Monte needs to explain what exactly happened there on SI. So much juicy drama from double / aphro bromance ending, Monte walking out of door after scrims and losing face, Seraph strait up telling Dexter to never come top. Like WTF happened in Korea?

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@ggCMonteCristo

2015-05-14 06:31 UTC

Let's just say I have a different opinion on Link's version of CLG. I'm not interested in digging up the past. I wish him the best of luck.


@ggCMonteCristo

2015-05-14 06:38 UTC

I never gave up on the players. I volunteered to fly to CA to coach through relegations, but was turned down. I tried to see the job through


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[–]augustinel 132 ポイント133 ポイント  (3子コメント)

what happens in korea stays in korea

[–]JackTFarmer 105 ポイント106 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It’s pretty long so some parts might get confusing im sorry [...] I don’t really want to straight up flame people that’s just wrong

I like this. First a decent intro, something to hook the reader, then build a nice arch over mid part, to then bring it home and peak with the accumulated, concentrated and INTENSIFIED SALT OF 3 YEARS!

edit1 and 2: formatting

[–]Itsmedudeman 134 ポイント135 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Holy shit I didn't think he'd go at people this fucking hard. Sounds like he's fucking done with everything so he had nothing to lose by saying all this.

[–]IHoldzCash 93 ポイント94 ポイント  (7子コメント)

he's the scapegoat that reddit bashes on when clg loses. he at least deserves some respect for disregarding all of 100% accurate input from all the challenjours on this sub

[–]Leov2 295 ポイント296 ポイント  (45子コメント)

Edit: on bottom.

Exactly! I'm watching Sneaky's stream while working on some stuff on a second monitor. Just casually reading the comments saying Link's salty or ranting because he's mad/benched.

This is a player who has never in his career received praise. Like truly, think about it, nobody has ever praised him for the handful of incredible performances, outplays and just overall prowess on assassins in Season 3. In Season 4, he's had plenty of good games on mages protecting Lord Doublelift. Season 5, he was doing great until the typical CLG implosion that has caused so many top laners, junglers, mid laners and supports from all over the fucking world (KR, NA, EU) to be benched and kicked one after the other. Link has been a rock for CLG. Like truly, it's been so long I just forget sometimes but truly think of all the players from all the regions that CLG justs eats up and spits out.

You think this is an easy, healthy team to be on? Think of why so many rosters, which on paper, seem like they SHOULD be the best simply crash, burn and die every year, split after split? CLG is, like Link said, a cancerous environment for being a good League of Legends team and I feel so bad for the guy.

For three years, Link has been quiet, never openly flaming his teammates, coaches, staff, owners, etc. He's not the one people recognize as rowdy or combative or problematic. We all know there's shit going on in CLG and to say Link wasn't involved in some of their internal fights would be stupid. But Link has never once publicly shit on his team and aired out dirty laundry.

The way I see it, this is just honesty coming out from a man who has endured three years of shit and is on his way out for good. Like I said, never once is Link praised. People praise Pobelter more than Link. I like Pobelter, I think he'll do well on a "good" team but just an example of how poorly people think of Link when CLG is a shit-fest.

Edit for dumbies: I didn't think I had to point out, "Nobody has ever praised him," wasn't literal. I thought the fact Link has played professionally for, oh I don't know, three years could perhaps indicate people have praised him one way or another; even if it's with the half insult, half compliment of, "Oh he's good but loses playoffs for CLG and chokes." In the grand scheme of his career, he has never received substantial praise for anything on CLG. Throughout the years it's Rush Hour, it's Doublelift the god, it was even Dexter being a great jungler, it's Zionspartan being the split push carry, it's Zionspartan adapting to tanks (meta shift). Nothing of the sort with Link.

[–]doomdg 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Partly because DL and Aphro were so well liked by the community, any criticism on DL would get you TROVES of downvotes, and tbh there's rarely any bad things to say about Aphro.

When CLG loses, we blame Xmithie, Nien, Dexter, Seraph and of course Link, all of them have left, and no finally link.

[–]FLABREZU[FLABREZU] (NA) 73 ポイント74 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Is it just me, or did he mention Stixxay being on the roster and then edit it out?

[–]CrownAV 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I just re-checked it. It definitely said Pobelter/Huhi/Stixxay before now it's gone. Hmm..

[–]Burfie 70 ポイント71 ポイント  (2子コメント)

"Truly candid and emotionally expressive; Links bestseller to date" -ggChronicle

[–]mantism[Yolothedinosaur] (SEA) 563 ポイント564 ポイント  (66子コメント)

...Dexter was a follower whereas Meteos was a leader...He figured out win conditions and he actually got mad at me for telling him one time to tell him where to gank or ward.

Wow.

On C9 the word shotcaller means: you get people to do the more team oriented stuff like dragon/baron control/rotations blahblah. In other words CLG shotcalling is like babysitting. C9 wasn’t.

[–]GravityOfSituation[Yamask] (NA) 601 ポイント602 ポイント  (48子コメント)

I remember that interview with Link at All Stars where he told the story about how he tried to tell Meteos what to do once and was taken aside and told not to do that.

I like to imagine that the room went silent, a pause was started, and Charlie walks over and whispers "You don't tell Meteos what to do."

Here is a link to the interview at the relevant time.

[–]AngriestGamerNA 242 ポイント243 ポイント  (20子コメント)

Meteos does meteos things, because he knows what he's doing.

[–]LeVentNoir 1271 ポイント1272 ポイント  (505子コメント)

One biggest problem I have is with double and him not playing as a team player. I mean he flamed the entire team and blame deflected after playoffs ended. To me that’s the biggest backstab anyone can do. You either lose as a team or you win as a team.

Spitting FIRE.

Mad props for a seventeen page farewell letter. Best of luck link, you were always awesome.

EDIT: Wow, more fire.

I refused to believe xmithie/zion/aphro/double were incapable of improving or something. I gave up on double. I realized zion is just a slow learner. Aphro is held back by double.

Regarding Monte:

At some point double lost respect for him and once he loses respect for ANYONE your’e fucking donezo. It’s what happened with him + chauster/jiji/saint/voy/nien/seraph/dexter/me/ go FIGURE.


EDIT 2: There is a serious amount of stuff in here. While I could copy the highlights out, I suggest you all read it.

It is the feelings of a highly stressed professional who has made their best attempt to work around the ego and failings of their co-workers and feels that they cannot continue in an environment where these players are not moving forward with the state of the game.

This is a high level bomb drop and it's burnout, plain and simple. It reveals a number of significant failings in CLG and comparisons to C9 who do not have such failings, and the difference between 2nd and 6th because of that.

[–]bozon92 209 ポイント210 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Damn, it's already time for CLG to run their "protect the Doublelift" strategy again. The summer split ain't even started yet!

[–]ThatSwigglyLine 53 ポイント54 ポイント  (6子コメント)

CLG may never beat TSM in League but they sure do beat them in drama.

[–]Rektoroid 746 ポイント747 ポイント  (66子コメント)

Oh boy. Link burning bridges like a motherfucker.

And it looks almost as if everything is DL's fault.

Prepare your popcorn.

A lot of what he says makes sense and explains A LOT. Makes me feel a little bit bad that we (reddit) literally shit on him everyday. (I'm not saying he's good or anything.)

Doublelift's reponse on twitlonger http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sm6rdq.

[–]Zellough[Zellopants] (NA) 254 ポイント255 ポイント  (15子コメント)

If the wood on the bridge is rotten and wasted AF you wouldn't walk on it again anyway, i see no loss for him

[–]NephilemThingy 161 ポイント162 ポイント  (11子コメント)

He did say he was pretty much done with league at the end of the post, so I'm not surprised he's just ripping everyone to shreds. Seems nien also confirmed what happened during the nien top lane period on twitter.

[–]JackTFarmer 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (8子コメント)

It's not so much him ripping people apart, but him just not holding back anymore. Besides from the DLift comments. That's some serious shit.
I do wonder though, what happened in Korea exactly, to make Monte just walk out on the team? Wha did Monte saw, to say to himself Nope, I'm out. Laters

[–]loganbeastly 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (5子コメント)

He talked about it on summoning insight. He described coaching as pulling teeth. Link confirmed it too when he said Aphro/Double dicked around in the skype meetings.

If they flew out to korea to train with the best and dicked around there I would quit too.

[–]krsj 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Especially when he probably was asking friends for favors, cause who wants to scrim clg? If you ask your friends/colleges/contacts to scrim with your team as a favor and your team just dicks around.... well that is pretty embarrassing

[–]Chamca 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's great to see. I'm loving him speaking his mind.

[–]Lantisca 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Like he said, he's done with League at this point. Bridges and ties don't mean much now.

[–]toastymow 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (2子コメント)

And it looks almost as if everything is DL's fault.

See the funny thing is, if you read Dexter's AMA, he implies the same thing because he says that he liked Link and Aphro, but the team enviroment was toxic from before he joined the team...

I love doublelift's persona, and he's been a great entertainer, but I do think that maybe CLG would be better off benching him.

[–]LoLDamo 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

"It's a fucking miracle that I'm still a top player with no help from the people WHO ARE IN CHARGE OF HELPING ME." doublelift sums himself up perfectly, kid needs to grow up.

[–]GravityOfSituation[Yamask] (NA) 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (11子コメント)

I really liked when he went and discussed the strengths and weaknesses of each player. Sure, it's all from Link's point of view, but you know that he's not holding back in his analysis.

[–]Azubedo 202 ポイント203 ポイント  (31子コメント)

DL will get his chance this split to show that he is the real one holding CLG back.

Zion monster top

Aphromoo proven able to put the game on his shoulders as support

Pobelter Hope of NA lol

Every fucking jungler under the sun has been and gone....

Who else is left to blame

[–]aBabyShoe 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (17子コメント)

He's been in CLG since the beginning and I can imagine when it was jiji/chauster/sv/hotshotgg/dl thats the best team they had but even than you know that the team had ego issues back in the day, if you want to work to reach a goal you need to overcome the obstacles you face together and that means team issues which means attitude. We'll see how good people perform but we'll see how things go, one player can destroy a team atmosphere easily. If what Link is saying is true then I'd of replaced Doubelift no matter how skilled he is. IMO

[–]seriousbob 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (5子コメント)

It's the 'chauschool' of CS. Unfortunately DL was taught by one of the most stubborn and narrowminded old pros. Old CLG and Chauster would have a very narrow view of what was 'right' and doing anything else was retarded. Double came in at an impressionable age and unfortunately it seems he picked up some of the worst traits of what is really solo queue mentality.

[–]Binkleberry1 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Chauster seemed like an incredibly smart dude but I think what you said is completely spot on. Everything that he didn't agree with was retarded and he seemed to more or less mentor Double early on.

God damn I didn't realize there was so much drama in CLG, I'm running out of popcorn.

[–]Assaultkitten(NA) 181 ポイント182 ポイント  (26子コメント)

This is a high level bomb drop and it's burnout, plain and simple.

This is the kind of letter that will likely keep him from ever playing on a pro team again, but it may be a terribly necessary step in solving some of the pervasive issues with the NA pro scene.

[–]Soccham 235 ポイント236 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Tbh he probably doesn't want to play on a team again and just go back to school.

[–]StateLottery 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I got the feeling that he's ready for a lifestyle change. Probably done with being a pro lol player, for now at least.

[–]theelementalflow 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Being in a toxic environment for 3 years will do that to you. Even Dexter admitted in his AMA a few hours ago that he felt the environment was poisoned before he got there and the thing he lost the most while being with CLG was his confidence.

http://www.reddit.com/r/ElementsGG/comments/35vpfr/hey_im_dexter_the_jungler_who_previously_played/

[–]bgoode2004 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (8子コメント)

I doubt that this will change anything, other then maybe tank CLG's brand a little more, and possibly lead team owner's to have NDA's in the contracts. The pervasive issues in the pro scene parallel those in other sports unfortunately, and ultimately are things that don't really change. There will always be teams that underperform, and there will always be celebrity players. Unless, those players make less money then they lose by losing the problems will never go away.

[–]andinuad 287 ポイント288 ポイント  (17子コメント)

Lemonnation's thoughts about Link:

http://i.imgur.com/JOB4GF0.jpg

[–]bra_bra 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (10子コメント)

C9's players (at least Sneaky/Meteos/Lemon) seem to really dislike DL. I wonder where that comes from.

[–]AznSparks[Zir0] (NA) 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've seen Meteos and Doublelift duo

[–]atomheartother 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (3子コメント)

In all this post if there's one team who got good PR it's C9. I already liked meteos, though I'm an EU guy, but reading Link's perspective on C9 has really made me like them all a little more

[–]DrMuffinPHD 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Link went to c9 and realized it was the team he really wanted to play for.

[–]AureliaRexLoL 509 ポイント510 ポイント  (42子コメント)

It breaks my hear that it took Link's resignation and exit letter to recognize what every single pro has said about CLG.

Their problems are in the core of the team and the way they conduct business, not a single player

Link may have been AN issue. But he's got a laundry list of legitimate complaints that would make it nigh impossible for anyone to succeed in a meaningful way.

[–]musicallbear 137 ポイント138 ポイント  (30子コメント)

Honestly, can't understand why anyone would want to play for CLG. God. It just sounds like it would be awful.

[–]TheSoupKitchen 89 ポイント90 ポイント  (16子コメント)

Probably why people have declined their offers. Including Forgiven, who was said to be offered a position.

[–]DrKarorkian 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (5子コメント)

It's because CLG wouldn't let go of double not because forgiven rejected then outright. They wanted to have a sub

[–]m0uzer 881 ポイント882 ポイント  (139子コメント)

OH MY GOD THE NEXT SUMMONING INSIGHT IS GONNA BE SO FUCKING GOOD.

[–]Itsmedudeman 147 ポイント148 ポイント  (3子コメント)

If they got Link on the show somehow HOLY FUCK

[–]CaptainLepidus 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think he wants to go out forever with this, I doubt he has any interest in creating more drama.

[–]Anthonysan 216 ポイント217 ポイント  (118子コメント)

Monte/Thoorin are going to go in on Link.

[–]Gammaran 497 ポイント498 ポイント  (52子コメント)

in on link? i doubt it. Every time thoorin takes time to say how doublelift primadona attitude hinders the team as far as picks he will just refuse to run or blame he throws around.

He will be delighted to hear about a ex CLG player confirming those claims

[–]Pinith 68 ポイント69 ポイント  (46子コメント)

You think so? Thoorin loves to hate on Link, so he might talk some shit.

Monte could dig around for some stories to try and mudfight with an absentee Link but there's obviously no point so that would go nowhere---Monte's best bet is to just say Link is right.

[–]TheExter 142 ポイント143 ポイント  (38子コメント)

Monte's best bet is to just say Link is right

that's because link does give him credit in some parts, "He was in NA, suggested sivir comps and we won for 4 weeks"

then the players would dick around in reddit during skype meetings and not give a fuck, nothing you can do about that

he does however, have to explain why link thinks "that he walked out of the team after scrimming"

[–]rrrogan 109 ポイント110 ポイント  (16子コメント)

Shit. I'd have to go on a cool down walk too.

Fly all the way to Korea to bootcamp and find out they tilt and blame each other after every scrim. It would be frustrating.

[–]Chairmeow 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Especially in that fucking apartment. You pretty much had to be a rubic's cube master to be able to leave if everyone was in there at once. Next we'll hear someone had claustrophobia and it will all become clear how they lost to Xenic's b team.

[–]Keiano 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (10子コメント)

god dude if you quote then quote the whole thing, it was like "He was in NA, suggested sivir comps and we won for 4 weeks, but it was fking sivir comp LOL"

[–]itskisper 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think Thorin will have a bigger field day on double's attitude if anything.

[–]N7_Scarecrow 239 ポイント240 ポイント  (2子コメント)

In the shoutout section:

peter (doublelift)- the good fun times we’ve had and the experiences ive shared. how can i hate you.

Just pasting this here so we don't get the hate train going too fast.

[–]MrMulligan 136 ポイント137 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You are living cancer to the team, but you made a decent friend when you would hang with me instead of random other people not on the team all the time.

Rousing endorsement for DL.

[–]arisingboom 114 ポイント115 ポイント  (10子コメント)

[–]ashiun 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (2子コメント)

This is gonna be great.

"Accio, popcorn!"

On a more serious note, I can believe both of them. Double is probably egotistical as fuck, but he's inherited that chauster loud-ness and that plus his own forwardness is being mistaken for aggressiveness. Can't help it when you've got purely passive-aggressive, indignant players like Seraph and Dexter, and simply passive players like Xmithie as Link says so himself.

You fire a pistol in the middle of Times Square, maybe a dozen or so people will hear it. Fire a pistol in a quiet waiting room, and everybody in the vicinity will look at you.

It's also a situation that Doublelift himself does not ask for. He just naturally has more authority than others on the team, it's not formal, Doublelift probably doesn't enforce it actively, it just happens to be that way because the other members are intimidated. Think about it, Doublelift has been on the scene since he started, his story of going pro is a huge hit, he's the posterboy of CLG, and he's confident and speaks his mind as he pleases. He's also pretty god damn tall and getting swole. He's forward in speaking his mind, I wouldn't be surprised if the rest of the team shrinks under his commanding presence. As crude as this is to say, these are a bunch of nerds who play a video game for a living. They don't all have experience in hierarchical situations, and because of the hands-off approach of the management, this team is run on a hierarchical structure based on experience and seniority. Double is the longest standing member on CLG, nobody dares to challenge him. Doublelift is egotistical, but he's charismatic, and I don't think anybody can doubt this. He's a natural leader within the team, his presence is too great for a timid leader to step up and take control.

Think about it. You're in the middle of a professional game. If you had to choose one person to issue a command/shotcall for the team for the next objective, who would you choose? Darshan, who is nice and would probably say something along the lines of "hey guys, lets take top turret"? Xmithie who probably wouldn't even say it? Link who would say it but doesn't have the guts to put down his foot and TELL doublelift what to do? Or Doublelift, who would probably say something along the lines of "Take mid turret now"? I'm willing to put my money on doublelift's command to be the most reassuring/authoritative regardless of how much authority he actually holds.

[–]polearms 75 ポイント76 ポイント  (21子コメント)

Lilsusie just commented on Monte walking out of the one scrim:

"He did for ONE scrim to make a point. Then contacted Mattcom immediately to make sure they understood why he did and were ok."

[–]Workglovex 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well...I guess Mattcom didn't really do that.

[–]fasty1 131 ポイント132 ポイント  (28子コメント)

Oh man this drama is gonna be delicious...

[–]RooLoL 106 ポイント107 ポイント  (26子コメント)

Imagine SI in a couple of days... TSM blowing it, Korea lost, EU was strong (incoming Thoorin jerking off the entire EU scene), Link saying some interesting stuff about Monte basically confirming Regi's point... We might even see more within the next 24 hours... The fucking drama man.. I feel like i'm back in the Cod Competitive scene.

[–]PrincessStupid[Jayces Boyfriend] (NA) 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (2子コメント)

SI is gonna be a goddamn explosion. I want off the esports roller coaster. :(

[–]drooby_pls[Da Fappening] (NA) 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Link says the ride never ends tips tophat

[–]Ivrih 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This doesn't confirm Regi's statement. It clearly shows that Monte worked with them and helped them which clearly indicated he "didn't do nothing"

[–]ArtosisMermaid420 173 ポイント174 ポイント  (59子コメント)

Pretty sure he is leaving the League scene after this...

[–]ofekme 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

yea he said so he doesn't like the game i think and want to go back to school.

[–]CLG_wrath[S] 79 ポイント80 ポイント  (53子コメント)

Hey who knows maybe he'll switch to hero's of the storm and make lots off money off of that. But I agree I don't see anyone picking him up after this.

[–]topro4[Phantumo] (NA) 50 ポイント51 ポイント  (9子コメント)

He's doing a chausterbenny(going back to berkeley)

EDIT:Chausta never left

[–]CagSwag[CagSwag] (NA) 128 ポイント129 ポイント  (9子コメント)

[–]just_another_intern 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Holy fuck. I could feel Link's frustration in his writing.

[–]kimmjongfun 426 ポイント427 ポイント  (71子コメント)

so basically, aphromoo is the only thing that kept the team together, peter is still peter.

I think. Aphro is a really observant guy and he’s pretty smart when it comes to the game. I think he thinks a lot about the game but doesn’t get a chance to do a lot of in game because he is held back by double. Double, is obviously, one of the most lane centric adcarries. Guess what happens when aphro leaves to go roam and double is forced into a 1v2 scenario. Double dies or gets chunked for like 90% of his hp

i got sad reading that, aphromoo's latent raw talent being screwed around by dl, it got to the point where the cheerful aphromoo got depressed in the toxic environment DL created, you know you fucked up when he said "i dont believe in us to win the playoffs" STOP BREAKING OUR MOO, CLG :/

[–]JennyTheBootyBum 157 ポイント158 ポイント  (66子コメント)

i always knew aphromoo was being held back, as link said aphromoo is the carry.

[–]Bronze94 98 ポイント99 ポイント  (45子コメント)

I feel that Aphromoo has a lot of potential when he's doing his own thing. I remember a couple of videos of Aphro's big plays while duoing with Sneaky. He's just doing his own things. No flame, just fun.

[–]Leadback 211 ポイント212 ポイント  (43子コメント)

If Lemon chooses to retire (he's pretty old for a pro) C9 will get Aphro 100%.

[–]TheRandomNPC 151 ポイント152 ポイント  (24子コメント)

My erection can't get any bigger after that idea

[–]termhn 90 ポイント91 ポイント  (8子コメント)

fuuuuck I would hop right on that C9 bandwagon so quick.. jesus. Seems like aphro is now one of the only reasons I still like clg :/

[–]Kylsai 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sneaky+moo on stream is TOO GOOD

[–]shawnsullivan93 70 ポイント71 ポイント  (8子コメント)

We don't know how the new C9 lineup is like without Hai, meaning it may not be a place Aphro would want to go.

There is a major difference though between Lemon and Aphro, in that Aphro is a massive play maker. Put him on a skill shot champ and he'll carry your butt, but lemon is all about the macro game knowledge, dude seems like a genius when it comes to LoL. You can't just take one over the other and expect an upgrade, the two players bring different strengths to a team.

[–]Leadback 129 ポイント130 ポイント  (18子コメント)

Doublelift:

The most outgoing and charismatic person I’ve really ever met. Good friend, yet a horrible teammate. Because he just has a natural loud and aggressive tone a lot of things come out as if he is attacking you. Likewise, he is one of the most lane-focused players to ever exist. Nothing else matters to him I swear. If he doesn’t win lane he can’t accept that he can’t win the game just by scraping by. That’s what it feels like to play the game with him.

He only sees his lane and fails to extend his vision past what is right and what is necessary. The bigger picture is all that matters. For example, if a team snowballs a rumble and we snowball our adcarry who is going to have a stronger mid game? The team with rumble probably will because of his ability to instagib the backline. This will create space for the enemy adc who was probably behind to catch back up and be relevant and be behind only a little. Double never sees this. He’ll make calls to gank his lane and it’s really bad.

[–]Lunean 93 ポイント94 ポイント  (15子コメント)

Well, this is pretty harsh, but it is also pretty accurate from what we always heard from CLG... It has always seemed to me that Doublelift saw the game as a 1 vs 1 against the other adcs and completely lacked any sense of strategy...

[–]Zellough[Zellopants] (NA) 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Link just went out balls to the wall LOL

Surprised there are little mentions or complaints on how Hotshot runs the crib, considering he could've fixed all of Link's complaints

[–]asdfge 794 ポイント795 ポイント  (44子コメント)

This was really hard to read as someone who reads almost every post on this subreddit. We've all been led by this mob mentality that Link was a huge reason that CLG failed to reach their full potential every split for the past year or so. Although it wasn't a a huge part in the reason why Link decided to step down, I hope at least some of you take this opportunity to see that we as redditors, fans, critics, and esports followers never know the full story. As much as we'd like to think we are knowledgeable on how the scene works and how good players are, we will never know the full story. As Link said, this is a team game and blaming one person for the downfall of an entire team is never the right answer. Of course, this probably will be hidden beneath all the other comments and reddit will always be reddit. But hopefully next time we judge someone for their performance, it will be taken with a grain of salt.

EDIT: Some of you are saying that there is irony since this is purely Link's point of view and that this could potentially be extremely biased. Many other pros have tweeted their support so we can assume that at least some, if not most of it is true, and admittedly, there are points in his writing where it seems slightly biased. But that's not my point. My point is that we as spectators often abuse the fact that LCS/League of Legends pro-scene is quite responsive to the fans and community. We often have AMA's from the pros, in-depth interviews from Travis, expository articles from various e-sports news websites. It gives us a false idea that we know everything about teams: how they play/prep/plan the game, who are the shot callers for the team, and even to an extent, how the back-end works with how effective analysts/coaches are. However, with this "expose" by Link, it reveals that most of what the community believed and witch-hunted about may not have been valid.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, everyone should take what is posted and what is speculated with a grain of salt. But please remember that what is great about this community is the fact that we ARE able to see the inner-workings of how the league works, the ability to interact with pros with AMA's, know that they read what we say and maybe even reply to us through comments or tweets. If we keep promoting this type of attitude of rude, ignorant comments, we will devolve into a community where the open lines of communication between us and the professional players/coaches/analysts/writers is frowned upon and less likely to occur.

EDIT #2: I am not an e-sports writer, nor do I claim to be someone with a lot of knowledge on how the scene works, but I have followed this the professional league since its culmination when we would have awfully positioned player cams and when "Silver Scrapes" was probably still a few beats in a computer program. But seeing how tunnel visioned we can get on one action a player does, or what an organization decided to do without knowing both sides to a story is really frustrating because the community I love is growing to a hateful and spiteful group of gamers who think they can say anything they want because they read a couple articles, know how to rotato potato in midgame, and are behind a computer screen where there are no repercussions to their words.

[–]Delrip 296 ポイント297 ポイント  (5子コメント)

At the end of the day, we are just like every other sport's fans. We don't know shit

[–]kyprzybo[przybo] (NA) 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

And Reddit often seems to suffer a pretty "all or nothing" approach.

[–]LeaguePotato 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Preach it, it's a complicated environment for teams and the Lol scene, gotta be slower to judge.

[–]LoL_analystic 140 ポイント141 ポイント  (5子コメント)

So the Stixxay sub makes a whole lot of sense now

[–]EnthusiasmLoL 68 ポイント69 ポイント  (1子コメント)

My personal favorite quote from this:

but you try telling doublelift sorc shoes is better on corki than berserkers.

[–]opheliaks 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (7子コメント)

A Clg fan for a couple of years.

Very saddening reading this.

[–]lambkeeper 84 ポイント85 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Well Nien responded again to the farewell message

https://twitter.com/FSN_Nien/status/598725167196475392

Double better watch out

[–]TweetsInCommentsBot 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (1子コメント)

@FSN_Nien

2015-05-14 05:42 UTC

i just cant wait to get on a lcs team and dumpster double tbh, one day ill be able to show u guys how good i really am. thx 4 ze support :)


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[–]Nicer_Chile[Nicer] (LAS) 339 ポイント340 ポイント  (29子コメント)

HOLY SHIT LINK WAS THE GOOD GUY ALL ALONG?

Scarra giving his support: http://www.reddit.com/r/CLG/comments/35wvy4/lol_link_explaining_why_he_left/cr8ln3e

And Nien Confirming too?: https://twitter.com/FSN_Nien/status/598721008170766336

WE HABE BEEN CIRCLEJERCKED PPL! D:

[–]pearljam9510[J0nquil] (NA) 86 ポイント87 ポイント  (1子コメント)

LiNk is the hero we need, not the one we deserve

[–]Kylsai 114 ポイント115 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Link was the good guy-captain-coach-analyst-top3 mid this whole time, who knew...only Link did.

[–]Kluey 147 ポイント148 ポイント  (20子コメント)

A lot of people will blame individuals here. Doublelift is too toxic, Dexter didn't try hard enough, Seraph too nervous, etc, etc ,etc. The truth is, managing personalities is part of coach/management. CLG has always had good talent but somehow turns them to shit. Who's at fault? Management.

This is the big reason why everyone has been saying since Starcraft that Korean infrastructure is so much better than NA infrastructure. In a Korean team, Doublelift would never be able to lay down the law and tell his solo laners to play a certain way. Nien would never get flamed so hard by his own team. Everything goes through the coaches and player personalities are managed.

[–]Spodermayne 73 ポイント74 ポイント  (8子コメント)

True, I could just picture Bang yelling "Bengi where the fuck is my gank?" and Kk0ma screaming from 5 rooms away "THE FUCK DID YOU JUST SAY?" and nothing but a squeaky "nothing, s-sir" from Bang. You have to have some sort of chain of command.

[–]mormotomyia 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

kkoma be like: you really want your military service start tomorrow?

[–]Genesis505 180 ポイント181 ポイント  (6子コメント)

seraph literally hated dexter and told him to never gank top (which was fucking hilarious btw)

Lol classic seraph. I love that guy

[–]teniceguy 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

some people really knows how to get fired from their workplace lol

[–]hornsethe 195 ポイント196 ポイント  (16子コメント)

"Side note: Oddone flamed me in soloq because I had numbers in my name (L1nk115) and I was playing kennen (he flamed yordles) so maybe that’s why I didn’t like TSM that much LOL."

You trippin. That was Saint all those years back making fun of you for that name as well as your play. I'm embarrassed I actually know this..

[–]brna767 82 ポイント83 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Oddone always flames yordles though. I'm pretty sure Link wouldn't mix up watching Oddone flame his name on stream as opposed to Saint.

[–]hornsethe 84 ポイント85 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Another thing he has mixed up in his letter was that he blamed a semi-final loss against TSM from Gleeb landing a clutch hook in game 2. That was an Xpecial hook from before he got kicked. Gleeb never played a playoff game with TSM.

I know that's not something you'd quite remember the way you would remember someone making personal insults. But man, Saint would go IN on him especially during this one Cho'Gath game. I felt bad for Link even though he was playing poorly that game. TheOddOne does get salty in chat, but it's usually people who argue with him and he responds to it. If anything, I could see Odd just vocalizing Link playing badly and pointing out things he doesn't like about him, but not actually insulting him over those things in game. I haven't seen Odd do that with Link, but I have with Saint.

There's no real reason for me to remember something like this, but I really enjoyed watching Saint streams especially when he was drunk.

[–]Berserk72 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oddone also hated numbers in names.

Join the club in feeling old.

[–]CootDawg09 172 ポイント173 ポイント  (34子コメント)

The only thing I learned from this is that apparently Trick2g is a top tier jungler.

[–]rubbb[🍰] 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Damn I'm studying for a final right as i stumble upon this... I'm trying so hard not to read it until tomorrow...

[–]xgenoriginal 64 ポイント65 ポイント  (4子コメント)

here are some juicy tidbits

"clg is just a story of blame deflection lfmao."

"If I didn’t play with C9 there’s probably a good chance that I’d still be on the CLG roster today. I compare a lot of what C9 did to this date that CLG doesn’t do"

" In terms of online coaching never do that ever again LMAO. I never had a problem with it but half the times the skype call would just be like my other 3 teammates fucking around on reddit and not paying attention. At some point double lost respect for him and once he loses respect for ANYONE your’e fucking donezo."

"seraph literally hated dexter and told him to never gank top (which was fucking hilarious btw) and he became a true isolated top laner (more so than anyone ever was on CLG)"

so seraph got kicked for zion, monte got kicked (for tryout zuna), but hotshot said no to zuna even though he never really gave him a chance because scarra’s charisma is too op (it really fucking is)"

  • Zion: carry top laner who used to shotcall on dignitas/coast. Really wants top lane ganks.
  • Xmithie: follower and primarily focused around ganking mid/bottom.
  • Link: primary shotcaller who was willing to adjust towards the team, but always wanting to play carry mids.
  • Double: shotcaller due to aggressive and loud voice but is supposed to be a follower. The most outgoing and charismatic person I’ve really ever met. Good friend, yet a horrible teammate.

  • Aphro: secondary shotcaller but became the primary shotcaller

-i was promised change and there wasn’t going to be any so well me leaving is pretty much the drastic change. ( a coach doesn’t magically solve all problems i think )

League is a team game. Sure you have solo lanes and duo lanes and a jungler. But in the end, everyone affects each other in some way. Everyone has the power to change the other lane. Whether you are behind, ahead, or even it doesn’t matter. But if you are trapped in the mentality or fail to see the bigger picture you are never going to get better at this game or even play it correctly. NA is a prime example of that. Even TSM I think sometimes does it. They fuck dyrus over so hard when the top laner is a core part of your team composition. It’s why the chinese/koreans are ahead. They use every resource and think of every resource that they can use to figure out how they can get an advantage and use it to win. CLG is too close minded. The players need to see beyond and be more aware else they’ll never be a top level team

[–]Delrip 557 ポイント558 ポイント  (32子コメント)

This post was amazing. 5 years of watching professional league with people giving PR statements every single time they leave makes a post like this so refreshing. Nien left by himself. Dexter, Seraph, Hotshot, and Chauster were kicked because the team lost confidence in them. A good team functions with every single member confidently believing in the skill level of other players. People gave up on Hai so he left the team. Hai was the primary shotcaller so as the team started to lose confidence in his play, his shotcalling became worse. Link was the shotcaller, during playoffs the team always loses confidence in him. The team falls apart. Dexter, Seraph, Chauster, Bigfatjiji, they were all kicked because the team lost confidence in them.

In the end, the funniest thing is that Link probably lost his position in the team. He spoke about how he had to orchestrate everything and control what everyone was doing and at the end of the split with playoffs coming, Link had a pretty good idea of the meta game. He probably told the team that they should adapt their picks but the team lost respect for him already.

If Link had to choose between a team of 5 mediocre challenger players that know how to work as a team and a team with Faker and 4 mediocre challenger players, he would probably pick the 5 mediocre challenger players.

I think the criticism really got to Link at the end of the day (it would get to anyone in his position). I guess all the bullshit positions that Thooorin and Monte spew out can really be analyzed during this split because we can see beyond the spectator position and see a player's role on the team. We can finally see what Link brought to the team (shotcalling, meta picks, etc.) with CLG's performance this season. When Thooorin spews out his bullshit about every team without a single piece of insight as to how the teams operate or the position's of the members, we can finally see why Reginald fucking hates him (Reginald probably thinks Thooorin is the reason so many players get shit on constantly)

This is the best post ever, I love Link. 5 years of watching CLG play and I can finally read up on his position and how he felt. What a great post. Everyone can talk about mechanics and how great a player is but a team with coordination and shitty mechanical players will beat any team with amazing mechanical players. When lustboy goes mid and ignites you and then Santorin comes to bum rush you afterwards. It doesn't matter if you're laning against my Bronze 5 friend, you are already fucked.

Tldr This is what happens when you have 3 years of vented up anger thrown into one 17 page doc.

[–]Felekin 243 ポイント244 ポイント  (3子コメント)

This is the secretsgg.doc

[–]desert40k 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (1子コメント)

bullshit thoorin and monte tell...

bad team environment. check

never play with toplane well. check

bad teamfighting/team play. double check

uncoachable. check.

bad shotcalling. check

(and i don't want to hate on link now, he tried to lead a team with a bad attitude.but their shotcalling was bad especially when falling behind.when they start to lose in playoffs they just went tilt. he also said he wished that dexter would shotcall more and didn't want to tell everybody what to do. so calling that out is not talking bullshit).

i like to invite you to watch thoorins thoughts on clg after their playoffs performance.

thoorin pretty much talks about the problems in clg and after reading what link said its pretty accurate.

[–]Hibbitish 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (1子コメント)

As a CLG fan it was honestly refreshing to read this. No PR statement, just an honest yet bias opinion on what really happened. Everyone in this thread wants to throw blame around (Monte/DL) but Link said it himself, it's a team game.

[–]TheEternalCowboy 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I guess we figured out why Hotshot kept Link on the team for so long. He's had this typed up for years, threatening to hit "POST" the moment he was kicked.

[–]Lenticious 84 ポイント85 ポイント  (24子コメント)

There's a reason why every single one of out top laners feel like they are awful at the end of the split. You can guess why. It's actually cancer.

...

I hope he sticks around the scene, TDK or challenger, even though he seems kinda pissed and done with it...

[–]bgoode2004 131 ポイント132 ポイント  (15子コメント)

Honestly, I don't think he could after that letter. That's the kind of letter that gets you never employed again. True or not ya know? Teams wouldn't be able to trust him. I mean, hell, this letter is going to put CLG on a cross if they don't perform now, even if everything in it isn't true the community will reference it or think about. As a PR guy, to me, this is one of the worst things that an employee can do. Considering how bad CLG's image is at the moment already, this is even worse. If I was working for CLG's PR group I'd be scrambling right now. I've seen sponsership's pulled for less.

[–]nkini123 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I Completely agree. If link had even an inkling of desire to remain in the pro scene he wouldn't risk a letter like this. This is the type of letter you write when you have nothing to lose and feel like saying a last "fuck you" before slowly disappearing into the shadows.

[–]ImSoRude 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He says he's burnt out and tired of League. The people who criticise him for his opinion on the NA scene and the state of the game currently haven't been around for long enough; the game was so much different when CLG was a new team. I've been playing for a tiny bit over 5 years and I've more or less dropped the game as there are more pressing priorities in my life and playing 3000 hours of a game does get repetitive, imagine how Link feels when he literally plays 5x as much as me. Even if there weren't issues with CLG I wouldn't be surprised if he quit just because the game was too unenjoyable for him.

[–]Chao9[PewPewNoob] (NA) 65 ポイント66 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Link should just go back to Berkeley he will do more with his life after completing his degree rather than stay in the league scene imo.

[–]topro4[Phantumo] (NA) 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I’ll be going back to school and making guides/analytical work to maybe one help people get better. I’m confident about my own ability and still think a lot of people are behind in the way they think about the game. Probably stream more or something.

He's retiring professionally.

[–]SailorMint 72 ポイント73 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I believe "Link to the Past" would have been a much better thread title.

[–]FalcoonPunch 82 ポイント83 ポイント  (32子コメント)

TLDR reasons for leaving:

-don’t know if i can give it my 150% next split

-too much work and burden on me and I doubt it’s going to get better

-only wanted to play 1 more split minimum and compete and do well at worlds (ideally win) ^ me being greedy and I recognize a team just doesn’t magically come together and win worlds

-i was promised change and there wasn’t going to be any so well me leaving is pretty much the drastic change. ( a coach doesn’t magically solve all problems i think )

I’m pretty much done with league. Cause NA is terrible and League of Legends is devolving into a game that I don’t even recognize anymore. No one even plays it properly lmao

[–]Delrip 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (16子コメント)

NIEN'S Q WAS BUGGED THE ENTIRE TIME?

[–]dl2agn 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (4子コメント)

no just that one time when he didnt complete the jump over the wall. Was a dumb bug if you placed wards to close to the wall. He uses Q later in that fight actually

[–]I_Ruv_Kpop 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Super insightful. While it's a pleasure to read, this is honestly going to cause a lot off drama and hate for the rest of CLG, and it's going to be rough. Being a CLG fan is going to be really tough on this subreddit for a while. Double in particular is going to become a punching bag again - and while it seems he has been a problem, I don't think (most) anything that a Pro does warrants the virulent attacks and criticism they receive sometimes.

I know it's going to happen, the circlejerk will go form "BENCH LINK" to "OMG WHAT A SHIT TEAM LINK WAS A GOD ALL ALONG," but keep in mind that this is just from 1 perspective.

Regardless, thanks for your work Link - assuming you're being honest (and I really think you are) you put a lot of effort into CLG, and I'm sorry it didn't work out. You weren't perfect, and neither was CLG. I hope you find something great after CLG.

[–]FLABREZU[FLABREZU] (NA) 60 ポイント61 ポイント  (25子コメント)

I knew for a fact the best junglers in NA were probably xj9/meteos/nightblue/xmithie then afterwards it’s like cloud/azingy/inori/trick2g

What am I reading...

[–]Electrifyy 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've been following the pro scene since season 1, and I've never seen anything like this....... Good for link for standing up for himself, we'll probably never see anything like this again. Link poured his heart out over 17 pages, summarizing the last few years of his life, and giving us a perspective that only someone who has lived it could. Obviously you can tell by my flair I'm not a CLG fan, but I am now a link fan, should he ever change his mind and come back.

[–]AlbertNeo 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

TLDR; READ THIS 17 PAGE PAPER

  • Link giving insight into CLG for the past 3 years
  • Talks about he toxic atmosphere around the team (Doublelift)
  • Collapse of CLG and how no one trusts each other
  • NA as a region needs to grow and mature
  • He left due to atmosphere and how change is never going to happen if he stayed
  • Every top laner or jungler would get bullied out and talked down to by Doublelift
  • Team is always focus on bot lane compared to the meta, team refused to adapt and pick up on meta champs
  • According to Link, he had to do basically everything in regards to strategies, watching VODs, theorycrafting, shotcalling etc. in order for the team to succeed
  • Aphro is being held back by doublelift and his mindset
  • Monte basically didn't help, rage quit during scrims in Korea, and felt like the skype calls did nothing for the team due to others not paying attention
  • Critique on each member on the team (aka Doublelift is a good guy, horrible teammate)
  • CLG is closed minded

Thoughts: Wow. There is more that I would list but everyone should read this. Of course this is 3 years of frustration and some things might be stretched or exaggerated but the one common factor in all 3 years has been Doublelift. It's a shame that the ego and mentality of one player has been dragging down so many potentially (heh) amazing players (Nien, Seraph, Dexter). Why has CLG management not done anything to stop the flamefest that is Doublelift apparently? It's nice to see that the problem is the core management however.

Much respect to Link for dealing with the community hate for all these years. He has to be strong for dealing with the team environment and the hate he has gotten from reddit. I can see how a team environment as one as he describes can lead to a drastic downfall as it has the past couple years.

[–]Spicynachoz 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (1子コメント)

LINK GOING IN ON CLG. WORLDSTARRR

[–]StormyT 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Finally an ex-pro who doesn't give a bullshit farewell message; in any circumstance the truths about your favourite team hurts.

[–]korolin 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

this Link doesnt work anymore..

[–]enitlas 74 ポイント75 ポイント  (6子コメント)

As much as we like the juicy gossip (which is probably true to a large degree) there's almost no point at which link admits any fault. Or if he does its LOL afterwards. It just rubs me the wrong way that you could be part of a mostly failed team for 3 years and not find any problems with your own champion pool and play. Sure, it's a team game, but Link routinely got beaten in lane by a lot of the top NA mids.

[–]thestage 54 ポイント55 ポイント  (0子コメント)

while you're not wrong, you have to remember that this was written by a guy (a young guy, at that) who has been consistently shit on by the fans for two years now, and who has to this point said precisely nothing in defense of himself. it's inevitable that that frustration would show.

[–]Cromish 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Can someone put this in audiobook form? lol

[–]dustml94 69 ポイント70 ポイント  (16子コメント)

Don't bring out the pitchforks just yet.

There's plenty of sides to every story. This all may well be true, but the way it's written makes me skeptical that Link's as blameless as this letter makes it seem. So much of it just seems like pent up frustration with the community, CLG, what-have-you at the perception of him as the weak Link. Honestly, I feel like if it wasn't just more of the same blame game that he called out, he would have talked more about his deficiencies--instead of correcting people on the Hearthstone meme, or the "Link always chokes before playoffs!!!" drivel, there's just more finger-pointing. Now, maybe he is totally correct; maybe Link was the hero CLG needed but didn't deserve--but what wasn't said is as relevant as what was, and there was a noticeable lack of discussion here about his own shortcomings.

[–]hmmvitamins 93 ポイント94 ポイント  (33子コメント)

I really don't understand the hate for Monte. Link clearly says that the players would dick around on reddit while in skype with Monte. Of course Monte is going to leave that environment.

[–]s2valveriot 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (1子コメント)

As a TSM fan, after MSI, I feel sympathetic all the CLG fans who has to read this about their team environment. Hopefully things change for CLG and what ever Link has described will get resolved.