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Counter Logic Gaming (CLG) is a North American eSports organization. Founded in April 2010 by George "HotshotGG" Georgallidis, CLG is the oldest League of Legends team still active to this day.
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[LoL] Link explaining why he left. (twitter.com)
ErickjmzEverybody else is trash! が 11 時間 前 投稿
[–]scarra 333 ポイント334 ポイント335 ポイント 11 時間 前 (44子コメント)
One of the best players and minds I've ever worked with. My biggest wish for the next split was that he'd monster the split and stuff the haters.
I'm sad for the situations that arose and for him to leave the scene.
[–]opheliaks 54 ポイント55 ポイント56 ポイント 10 時間 前 (24子コメント)
On a scale of 1/10 how accurate was this though..
As a fan...literally heartbroken
[–]Awela 83 ポイント84 ポイント85 ポイント 9 時間 前* (19子コメント)
Nien tweeted that it's quite accurate from the time he was there...
Zach Malhas @FSN_Nien 4m4 minutes ago repsect to link for being so open about his time on CLG, can confirm almost everything that was said at least during the period i was there.
https://twitter.com/FSN_Nien/status/598721008170766336
Zach Malhas @FSN_Nien 14m14 minutes ago everyone thinks reddit is what got to me but the reality is its insanely hard to stay confident in urself when ur teammates dont trust u.
https://twitter.com/FSN_Nien/status/598722088304652288
Zach Malhas @FSN_Nien 11m11 minutes ago i just cant wait to get on a lcs team and dumpster double tbh, one day ill be able to show u guys how good i really am. thx 4 ze support :)
https://twitter.com/FSN_Nien/status/598725167196475392
[–]Magic_NarwhalKobe 23 ポイント24 ポイント25 ポイント 9 時間 前 (1子コメント)
DAYUM
[–]DimarziomesafanDoubleLift 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 3 時間 前 (0子コメント)
He later said he meant it as a goal not a shit talk thing.
[–]kelustuMonteCristo 18 ポイント19 ポイント20 ポイント 7 時間 前 (2子コメント)
Except Dexter's statements after leaving CLG negate a lot of what Link said about that era, where Dexter solidly said that DL was a colleague, but Link was the problem.
Monte also tweeted that he disagreed with a lot of what Link says. And the idea that DL somehow lost respect for Chauster is purely absurd, he's the one that asked for Chauster back when Dexter was in jail.
[–]Milk_Cows 17 ポイント18 ポイント19 ポイント 7 時間 前 (0子コメント)
To this day whenever Chauster is brought up Doublelift seems to go wide eyed excited like a child talking about his inspiring hero.
Maybe he lost faith in him as a jungler? or tensions flared because of failure? so maybe loss of respect is a bad word to use to describe that. To see Double talk about Chauster was always "He taught me everything" and "My best friend on the team" and all that.
[–]kavinh10CLG Spinner [スコア非表示] 55 分 前* (0子コメント)
link's gunning after DL is a bit excessive while ignoring his own flaws, on the 16th page where he writes about his problems he tries to twist it in a way where he tried too hard or he could've done more instead of talking about his own flaws ingame its like trying to say everyone else had problems but his own faults weren't his fault.
What he said about doublelift's most likely to some extent true but link's almost certainly had some negative impact in the team too.
[–]TheSoupKitchenMonteCristo 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 9 時間 前 (0子コメント)
I thought change would be good, but it feels like even though he left, CLG has been in shambles for a long time now.
Hotshot was correct in his interview with Travis to say that we should be blaming him from now on, and not the players.
Hotshot needs to get his ass in gear and actually pay attention to the team he so called "Manages/Owns".
It's hard to read some of this as a fan, and my expectations for next split are non-existent.
[–]GoAraJjangLiNk 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 3 時間 前 (0子コメント)
http://i.imgur.com/K3W6yzi.jpg
A memory of happier days.
[–]Gammaran 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 8 時間 前 (0子コメント)
he isnt going to answer this if he wants to stay in the scene. Any answer from this question will be turned into drama and be used as misquotes from fans for years to come after every clg loss.
[–]reddithasbankruptme 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 10 時間 前 (0子コメント)
speaking of being sad, you broke my heart bb
[–]ErickjmzEverybody else is trash![S] 8 ポイント9 ポイント10 ポイント 10 時間 前 (0子コメント)
There is something that I've noticed about everyone who worked with him, he's a good person and someone who works hard. Those are things that I appreciate from everyone, I didn't know a lot of him because he is so quiet and I feel like that "Shy" attitude holds him back from being one of the best players of the world, maybe I'm wrong, but that's my opinion.
[–]dirtyboobDoubleLift 67 ポイント68 ポイント69 ポイント 10 時間 前 (2子コメント)
We proceeded to go to Korea completely fail our bootcamp, aphro said something like “I dont’ believe in us to win playoffs”, monte gave up on us (straight up walked out the door after scrims), seraph literally hated dexter and told him to never gank top
wow...
[–]krsj 20 ポイント21 ポイント22 ポイント 3 時間 前 (0子コメント)
I think the reason he walked out is because he probably got those scrims by asking favors from his friends and contacts.
Imagine this "Hey kkoma would you be willing to scrim skt against my team clg? They might not be as good as what you usually scrim against but theyre fine and they might be good as a change in pace for your players. Could you just do me this favor?"
And then imagine in scrims clg gets demolished, they start goofing off and not even taking the scrims seriously. Monte has now embarassed himself in front of another coach, wasted clgs time and the time of the team theyre playing against. And now the team looks hopeless.
I don't have any inside information so I might be way off on this but I wouldnt be surprised if something like that happened.
[–]DimarziomesafanDoubleLift 8 ポイント9 ポイント10 ポイント 3 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Monte tweeted that it didn't happen that way and dlift said it as well.
Also remember that Link was one of the bigger known reasons dexter didn't do well but he's pretended like he had nothing to do with it.
Definitely some truth in there though. I'd say 60% truth. There are a shit load of issues but link had a lot to do with it too.
[–]Relaptic 33 ポイント34 ポイント35 ポイント 10 時間 前 (22子コメント)
I'm honestly so heartbroken to read a lot of this stuff but it's hard to see if it's subjective or objective. I think there were a lot of things going wrong for CLG and when tensions are high even friends can clash. I don't know what else to say, I'm really sad to read all of this.
[–]akn11 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 7 時間 前 (3子コメント)
Friends WILL clash. Link never once said that he's throwing away his friendship with everyone on the team. I'm sure it's a lot harder for you and I to take all this information in than it is for Link to disclose it. Also, this information hardly something you can call objective considering the events preceding it and the way it's written. Disclosing this information is just his way of letting everything out so that maybe we can understand his perspective. It's nothing to feel super sad about, but I do feel genuine sympathy for Link's circumstance after reading his writing. I'm sure he went through a lot of confusion considering the community would go from calling him a god to calling him garbage. Imagine having a mom like that. She tells you she loves you one day, and the next day she tells you she hates your guts. It would be a nice thing if we just told him it's not his fault since it doesn't seem like he knows that.
[–]dchart 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 2 時間 前 (2子コメント)
By making a post like that he pretty much threw away any friendship he had on the team.... Also regardless of if he said he wasnt he was at least a part of the issue in the team. He speaks to Doubles ego but his (based off this post) is at least as big. He shifted 100% of the blame onto the other remainder of the team.
[–]akillerfrog 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 7 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Honestly, the hardest part for me was realizing that Link got so much flak from the community for his own play, but there was absolutely no way in hell that he could focus on improving himself when he was having to help everyone else instead. From the sounds of things, there was pretty much never someone who approached Link and said, "Hey man, let's make you a better player." So of course after two years on the team he never really got any better, and the community ripped him apart for it.
[–]azureknightgx 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 10 時間 前 (2子コメント)
There's nothing wrong with arguments or disagreements in opinions. Fights happen to married couples. Why should a group of 5~ young males be any different. I'd say letem yell and scream at each other and fight some. It's just kinda sad how the team dynamic is and how some of the players act. You don't need have respect for anyone, but at least have enough respect to not make yourself look like an asshole.
[–]spirited1CLG 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 9 時間 前 (1子コメント)
They don't have an authority figure. By all means, let them argue and get frustration out of their system. The problem is, there is no one to tell them to stop. Hotshot won't do it. Matt won't do it. Zikz can't do it.
[–]azureknightgx 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 2 時間 前 (0子コメント)
If they don't wanna stop acting like children then they don't want their spot on the team. Problem solved.
[–]spirited1CLG 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 9 時間 前 (12子コメント)
I'm so sad. I honestly had doubts on link, but after reading this I felt so fucking guilty. I had no hate towards him at all. I just feel he didn't perform up to par. And I feel so guilty. Obviously I'm taking this with a pinch of salt (no pun intended) because it can be easy to smear a team like this, but if it's true it makes me doubt my loyalty to CLG and maybe even league as a whole.
The only person I really want to blame on is Hotshot though. He should be in full control, but it seems he lacks the authority that Regi has. Link is right that TSM has not had ex players that were salty or left bad comments.
I don't know man. I don't want to go to sleep like this and I have finals tomorrow. Fuck.
[–]darkhindu 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 8 時間 前 (2子コメント)
You pretty much covered what I feel is a lot of people's, mine included, thoughts post this.
I thought DL was a hothead, but I didn't imagine it was like this. It feels like expectation clouded judgment.
[–]guz12345 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 7 時間 前* (0子コメント)
Link is right that TSM has not had ex players that were salty or left bad comments.
... Almost all of them did. I think Regi himself apologized much later for how he got rid of Chaox. Shit, there is even video of Regi fully blaming/raging at wildturtle after a loss, with Xspecial stepping up and trying to defend Turtle. WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?????
[–]dchart 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 3 時間 前 (2子コメント)
It takes a real leader to have your fed the crap out of MSI. But insults out of the way the Regi part is pretty inaccurate. Reginald made a tweet saying how AHQ was going to win and TSM had no chance. I wouldnt use him as an example of a good leader even if his team is doing ok...
[–]spirited1CLG 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 2 時間 前 (0子コメント)
The thing is, his team is never toxic. They won't tilt after this event. No one will place blame on one another, they will just improve. CLG thus far has had little to show from being nearly relegated.
[–]FrozenRyan 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 7 時間 前 (1子コメント)
I got your point but you simply shifted Link's blame on Hotshot...
[–]DJChildMolester 69 ポイント70 ポイント71 ポイント 10 時間 前 (3子コメント)
Three years of salt has been piling up for Link, and he decided to dump all of it into this Google doc.
[–]BansheeGooseLiNk 24 ポイント25 ポイント26 ポイント 9 時間 前 (1子コメント)
He prolly feels like the world is off his back lol
[–]Gratlofatic 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 8 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Good for him
[–]CLG_Troll 23 ポイント24 ポイント25 ポイント 10 時間 前 (0子コメント)
annnnd, there goes my entire perspective on competitive lol for the past 3 years
[–]MarvelShazam 72 ポイント73 ポイント74 ポイント 10 時間 前 (51子コメント)
Damn, the Doublelift "losing respect" thing for Monte and about 10 other CLG players was fucking heart breaking. Just in general my opinion on Doublelift kind of changed after reading this all and I've been subbed to him on twitch for 9 months.
[–]kongbarCLG 20 ポイント21 ポイント22 ポイント 8 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Why are people suprised about this? Aphromoo barely even duos with DL nowadays. Hes either duoing with sneaky or imaqtpie. That tells you something.
[–]SummonerShivaDoubleLift 20 ポイント21 ポイント22 ポイント 9 時間 前 (9子コメント)
I really dont know why this is surprising dude. I mean if you have any observational skills you can see if is a very selfish / ego oriented person.. i mean really. but hate it or love it its fucking the doublelift. I love him no matter what he is only a dick because he wants to win SO bad. I dont think there is any other player in the LCS that wants to bring their team home the trophy more than 2x lift. That drive unfortunately can turn him into a bad team mate. We can only hope he is able to look at himself and be honest and change his mentality so CLG can finally be the best team in NA.
[–]DiMarzio666 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 7 時間 前 (0子コメント)
DL has had the same attitude for so long, an introspective person would be able to at least realize the kind of attitude that he has and the effect he has on other people. Makes me think double has trouble being empathetic and is self-absorbed due to all the praise/grills. Also the reddit circlejerk probably doesn't help him...
Just the fact that he is incapable of working towards solving problems and working on his own attitude to try and change results demonstrates his immaturity and childish behaviour.
[–]NinoQlintino 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 9 時間 前 (0子コメント)
what did you expect? if you are the only constant on a team (except the teamowner obviously) which fails and fails and fails. what do you think the problem is?
[–]xKazeSenoueAphromoo 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 9 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Same here. I don't know what to feel anymore.
[–]Laviosah -3 ポイント-2 ポイント-1 ポイント 10 時間 前 (36子コメント)
he only cares about money, thats why hes streaming with trick2g now, if he gets kicked/retires (the reason they picked up the new adc "sub") expect him to try and be part of that group
[–]zOmgFishes 23 ポイント24 ポイント25 ポイント 9 時間 前 (13子コメント)
So i'm guessing DL is now the next community hate target based on Link's post? For all the hate Link got from the community and understanding of why a player has to face when they are the scorn of reddit and such he just completely deflected on to Doublelift now.
[–]Laviosah 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 9 時間 前 (12子コメント)
All link did was say "I took all the shit and heres what was happening behind the scenes" If you feel hes deflecting thats your perspective trying to cover for doublelift. Hes going to be a hate target because hes actually been the problem all along (which was obvious to be honest, its an attitude problem)
[–]ChillFactoryAphromoo 16 ポイント17 ポイント18 ポイント 9 時間 前 (3子コメント)
I think it is fair to say that DL has done dumb shit. However, respect Link's words:
fans that hated me you guys have no clue what you guys are talking about LOL and and those that flamed my teammates fuck you guys. you guys don’t have the right to do that.
Don't just go after DL. That's part of the problem.
[–]JayMillahDoubleLift 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 7 時間 前 (0子コメント)
If he honestly thought that, he wouldn't have posted this.
[–]OmegaAppleMoney in the bank, pimpin' ain't easy! 13 ポイント14 ポイント15 ポイント 9 時間 前 (7子コメント)
If hotshot has balls and wants to actually change for the better he will phase double out of the question completely. He just sounds way too negative on the team. Too negative over literally every roster hes been apart of.
[–]Hockeygod9911Kobe 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 9 時間 前 (2子コメント)
Well before we jump to conclusions, the sub in adc may be the poker in DL's ass he needs to fix his attitude. He has the skills, does he have the will to change is the question. Previously he never had a reason too, now he does.
[–]TheSoupKitchenMonteCristo 10 ポイント11 ポイント12 ポイント 9 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Doublelift. Change?
Nope.
He has been the same for years, and Jiji said something similar to what link said, when he was kicked off the team. Mentioning it's doublelifts team and if you don't agree with him, then you get kicked off.
Seems like Link and Jiji were starting to stand up to double, but he shuts them down and then zones them out.
Doublelift isn't meant to be a team player, it's sad it's taken this long for ex. CLG members to speak up and let the fans know what is going on.
[–]Facecheck 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 6 時間 前 (0子コメント)
After a while people don't really change. And even when they do, it takes months or years, not a couple of weeks. This is not dragon ball and there's no hyperbolic time chamber. Changing one's attitude takes effort and lots of time.
Link may very well have ended DL's career with that writeup. Judging by the internal issues the only reason DL's position was so secure was because he was the face of CLG, the captain and THE fan favorite. Now that his image has been tarnished his value to the brand drops considerably.
It's going to be an interesting few weeks.
[–]Yeahdudex 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 6 時間 前 (0子コメント)
No idea how DL has stayed on that team for so long. If anything Steelback and WT have proven you don't need to be ADCGOD to be the best in your region.
[–]Awela 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 9 時間 前 (1子コメント)
There are words going around about CLG getting a sub adc...
[–]OmegaAppleMoney in the bank, pimpin' ain't easy! 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 9 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Yeah hopefully the stixxay can prove himself and cause double to either change his attitude or leave.
[–]Laviosah 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 9 時間 前 (0子コメント)
He should have done it a long time ago, but hes probably the only person doublelift hasnt treated like complete shit, although I have never seen doublelift as the type to let anyone catch a break.
[–]fasty1 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 9 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Pathetic how someone has so much ego when they haven't won jack shit even after 5 years of playing.
[–]AtiManhazed 28 ポイント29 ポイント30 ポイント 9 時間 前 (6子コメント)
If there's anything I've learned from this is that I'm done being a fucking reddit armchair analyst god.
[–]ErickjmzEverybody else is trash![S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 9 時間 前 (0子コメント)
lol, I join you broh. won't waste more time in this.
[–]VanAstro 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 2 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Absolutely the right call when it comes to making statements about the team environment. What we can do, though, is analyse gameplay and discuss what could have been done better (picks and bans, rotations, team fighting, etc.).
[–]yummyjellyLiNk 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 9 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Yep. This post shows theres way too many fucking variables for anyone not on the team to analyze anything below surface level of what happens in games. And this is just links perspective too....
[–]manisierChauster 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 7 時間 前 (0子コメント)
That didn't stop everyone in the thread above us.
[–]sui2Chauster 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 9 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Loved every moment of his POV on CLG. It's pretty much what I thought how it was on CLG except it was bit worse. CLG has no professional structure whatsoever and it's hurting the team so much... CLG really needs to fk everything and build solid support staff first so that player issues don't get out of hand. It's pretty clear here that Link tried his heart out but team wouldn't work w/ him as much as he would've liked. I still believe that Link in mid lane wasn't very good as he just couldn't keep up in lane to pressure enemy laner and be reliable damage dealer in team fights but as a jungler maybe things could've been different. Despite people flaming him for revealing too much information, I think this post is greatest thing ever happened in long time for CLG and CLG fans, shedding light in to inner workings of CLG. Wish he revealed some information on Hotshotgg as I believe that he has lot of responsibilities as owner and he definitely failed somehow, someway.. I really hope Link finds success on whatever he does in the future. <3 former Link hater.
[–]aZooReZikz 23 ポイント24 ポイント25 ポイント 10 時間 前 (5子コメント)
On one hand I can see people's POV thinking that this is a terrible thing for him to do and he writes like nothing is his fault. Yes, while I agree that he's pretty much airing out all the dirty laundry, you have to take a step back and consider you (as a fan) might feel this way about his blog because he's shattering your visions of the players and the team. He's probably sick of the majority of the fans shit on him but praise/worship everyone else (minus xmithie).
Take his words however you want but there has to be some truth to it or else he wouldn't be writing it.
[–]kawkao 15 ポイント16 ポイント17 ポイント 10 時間 前* (2子コメント)
There's SOME truth. The problem is people will take this and run with it like its gospel.
Edit: just went to the /r lol and people are already eating this up, people saying they regret "shitting on him" etc. I find it hilarious how fickle and naive people are.
[–]TheDWGMHotshotGG 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 9 時間 前* (0子コメント)
There are three sides to every story. Yours, mine and what actually happened.
Obv some of what Link said is true but sometimes things are merely his perspective.
[–]aZooReZikz 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 10 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Or people are going to blindly call him out, call him a liar, and continue to shit on him because most of what he's saying is negative and he's not taking responsibility for his flaws.
That's mostly what's been exhibited in this subreddit at least. I realize it's a small minority but that's where my comment is mainly directed towards :)
[–]lalakers4ever 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 9 時間 前 (0子コメント)
I agree. I think there is plenty of truth to what he wrote, just purely judging from the replies to link on twitter from mattcom, brian chen and zikz which are all positive. This reflection is actually so bad for CLG's PR lmao but the fact that the management aint even mad and is actually supportive of link has to say something about he validity of the statements
[–]soteiraaCLG 12 ポイント13 ポイント14 ポイント 10 時間 前 (0子コメント)
I got so hard reading those 17 pages
[–]Da_Real_Caboose 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 11 時間 前 (1子コメント)
Brb in an hour when I'm done reading.
[–]ErickjmzEverybody else is trash![S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 11 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Same, lol
[–]B-A-JAphromoo 10 ポイント11 ポイント12 ポイント 10 時間 前* (0子コメント)
This makes CLG sound like aids. Holy shit.
[–]I_Ruv_KpopCLG 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 9 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Gonna repost what I said earlier.
Super insightful. While it's a pleasure to read, this is honestly going to cause a lot off drama and hate for the rest of CLG, and it's going to be rough. Being a CLG fan is going to be really tough on this subreddit for a while. Double in particular is going to become a punching bag again - and while it seems he has been a problem, I don't think (most) anything that a Pro does warrants the virulent attacks and criticism they receive sometimes.
I know it's going to happen, the circlejerk will go form "BENCH LINK" to "OMG WHAT A SHIT TEAM LINK WAS A GOD ALL ALONG," but keep in mind that this is just from 1 perspective.
Regardless, thanks for your work Link - assuming you're being honest (and I really think you are) you put a lot of effort into CLG, and I'm sorry it didn't work out. You weren't perfect, and neither was CLG. I hope you find something great after CLG.
[–]ChamcaLiNk 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 10 時間 前 (1子コメント)
It must have been super cathartic writing this.
I can understand why he's been so fed up with everything.
[–]RisenLazarusDoubleLift 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 9 時間 前 (0子コメント)
I can only imagine the kind of face he had after signing -Link at the bottom.
(ノ´∀`)
[–]kuxika 31 ポイント32 ポイント33 ポイント 10 時間 前 (18子コメント)
threw everyone under the bus. CLG's team environment sounds horrible.
[–]bolofoo 56 ポイント57 ポイント58 ポイント 10 時間 前 (5子コメント)
Or maybe he just spoke the truth? Sure the account is going to be biased towards him and not speak of his own flaws because he himself wrote it, but the fact still remains that the team environment was incredibly fucked and that members on the clg team had flaws within their out of game personalities.
[–]rhythm1cKobe 13 ポイント14 ポイント15 ポイント 10 時間 前 (1子コメント)
it's always seemed fucked, ever seen older streams of their scrims?
[–]MrMulliganSaintvicious 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 9 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Exactly, this shit was happening way back when hotshot and saint were still on the team. Every little peak behind the curtain has shown this.
I remember the "original" CLG doc being very alarming. Most of it was interview but when they showed the team discussing a loss, it was obvious they were completely falling apart.
I may be in this subreddit but i am Curse fan because all my favorite CLG players moved to there way early on. After that it was watching a train slowly approach a cliff and then teeter over it. Up to Hotshot now to reform the team and remove the shitty foundation. God speed to him, because I want ot root for CLG again, but it is hard when every good player they get passes through broken and tired after playing with them.
[–]fasty1 13 ポイント14 ポイント15 ポイント 9 時間 前 (10子コメント)
Just fucking nuke everyone except for aphro and zion for the love of god hotshot.
[–]zOmgFishes 12 ポイント13 ポイント14 ポイント 9 時間 前 (9子コメント)
He blamed Zion for why Dig and Coast never did well that's fucking cold. I don't understand how he makes that conclusion based on his short time on CLG and not knowing what his other teams were like. It's good insight on why the team has problems but Link is coming off with the Chauster "Everything i say is right" vibe. Like he shits on everyone but Aphro and when talking about his own problems it's like "l0l i tried to do too much".
[–]InterspaceAlienDoubleLift 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 9 時間 前 (1子コメント)
He explained why he thought that from just playing with him his short time on clg. He basically said Zion is a strong lamer without much game sense (or inconsistent game sense) and I honestly agree with him. I think Zion is super talented and has room to grow but it seems believable to me.
[–]zOmgFishes 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 9 時間 前 (0子コメント)
But placing all of the blame of two teams on him?? Come on. We all know Coast and Dig have other problems besides Zion, it's not like they got good once he left. Link here straight up just said Zion is the reason two of his teams failed. Then he gets salty when people say he's the reason why CLG failed. We learn more about the team environment from this but honestly I lost a shit ton of respect for link.
"But a lot of my problems come with well the fact I am doing too much." That is basically the only blame he puts on himself. I tried to be too good at everything. Like seriously??? He just shat on everyone of his teammates but Aphro and all his self reflection of his own play was, nah I tried too hard to be good at everything. Even with the Liss thing in TSM he doesn't blame his poor ult decision but rather it was a poor fight. (TSM in their video segment even said pretty much if Link ulted one of them instead of himself they would have lost he fight.) Link deflects so much blame. Like the poor picks and bans. He states well i watch OGN and shit so i knew what was going to be meta, not my fault the picks were bad, it's everyone else not trusting my judgement. And he literally does not address his play in that series, aka poor TF ults, not using Karthus correctly or getting soloed by Fenix on vlad as Ez. I know people are eating his info up, and they should but we have to take a second here and see that Link himself is doing right now what he accuses guys like DL are doing, deflecting blame. He is basically having directing the internet community's pitchforks at DL after being the target of the community and knowing the problems a player faces by being that target.
[–]PinithHotshotGG 15 ポイント16 ポイント17 ポイント 9 時間 前 (4子コメント)
The missing bit of info is that Zion was the shotcaller for Dig/Coast.
Link said Zion's shotcalls were inconsistent. Since Zion was the shotcaller for Dig+Coast, those teams would make inconsistent plays. Hence, they could never really succeed. Seems pretty straightforward and logical if the 'inconsistent shotcalls' part is true.
[–]TheSoupKitchenMonteCristo 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 9 時間 前 (1子コメント)
I think we have to take this document with a grain of salt though. Link seems a little pretentious himself. He's more quiet and reserved than doublelift though, but they both have pretty big ego's when it comes down to the game.
[–]MarryDingoesKobe 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 8 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Apparently, you haven't seen Nien's, scarra's, and Zion's response to Link.
[–]zOmgFishes 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 9 時間 前* (0子コメント)
Like i said those team have other problems besides just zion. But saying lol now i see why those teams failed is basically saying Zion is the biggest. Yet no one really knows how those team dynamics work and neither of them are good even after Zion left. That's a huge assumption by link and basically throws zion under the bus for the failures of two LCS teams.
[–]thelastoneusawScarra 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 4 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Both crumbzz and qtpie have said that qt and kiwi were the shotcallers on that team while Zion/crumbzz were vocal but generally not shotcallers. So links accusation doesn't really make sense to begin with.
[–]wotad 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 9 時間 前 (0子コメント)
because Zion wants to carry 24/7 and thats it hes basically the flame of NA
[–]DimarziomesafanDoubleLift 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 2 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Its because Link thinks he's better than most people.
[–]hydrogenc4rDoubleLift 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 6 時間 前 (0子コメント)
its the same for every team except c9 and tsm in 2015.
thats an absolute key thing to understand. clg is just more transparent.
[–]RainieDayHotshotGG 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 9 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Mirror: http://pastebin.com/S8ZaSNnu
[–]Will_OzellmanCLG 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 5 時間 前* (1子コメント)
I've only read through season 4 to the end this far, and it's hard to really feel for the guy when he seriously can not point out a mistake he made himself. He is like "yeah my teammates are dicks/bad and you are missing out when im gone". Really? After all the ranting about his teammates, i was expecting something like self reflection or maybe that he failed some times (which everyone does) but nope. Pretty weird.
Meanwhile Doublelifts response is full of self criticism.
To me it seems like Link is the one with the ego. Yeah Double might be too loud or too focused on his part of the game but atleast he admits when he fucks up, you know...like that lissandra ult that we will blame on the call to fight instead...
[–]StoykoCLG Spinner 16 ポイント17 ポイント18 ポイント 9 時間 前 (5子コメント)
I think this is his version of the "truth". But throughout the entire piece he repeatedly blames everyone but himself. He states over and over that he was right, and everyone else is wrong, in every single situation. Read the part about relegation against CRS:A, then Re-watch the relegation matches against CRS:A, and tell me he played even remotely well. He played terribly every single game, yet the way he writes it, it sounds as if he got his mojo back after game 2 and carried it himself, when in all reality he played terribly in game 3, game 4, and only passable in game 5 . The Entire piece just wreaks of lack of self awareness and narcissism.
[–]wishinghookXmithie 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 9 時間 前 (1子コメント)
He had some decent shockwaves, but that reverse sweep was Rush Hour vs CrsA.
His account is really biased, but expect it to be used as fuel by reddit until the end of time. Probably has some grain of truth though.
[–]StoykoCLG Spinner 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 8 時間 前 (0子コメント)
There is definitely truth in the post, but he is also obviously trying to frame information that shines him in a positive light. Or he could be delusional, I would prefer to believe in the former.
[–]fieldschuylerCLG 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 9 時間 前 (0子コメント)
First comment that hit the nail on the head IMO...couldn't agree more. Ultimately I just think that he really was a quiet person, so this "book" of his is actually 2+ years of bottled up venting that finally got unleashed...way to save it all for when it doesn't matter :/
[–]whatsuppunkHotshotGG 19 ポイント20 ポイント21 ポイント 10 時間 前 (5子コメント)
Guess Link finally shut up Reddit :^)
Seriously tho I respect him for being able to shrug off an ocean of salty fanboy tears (myself included to an extent) in one sentence.
[–]Apatheee 12 ポイント13 ポイント14 ポイント 9 時間 前 (3子コメント)
How does that shut people up? It's just a general blanket statement of "You guys know nothing only pros are allowed to criticize pros." We've heard that shit from CLG players before and that didn't stop us.
[–]StoykoCLG Spinner 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 8 時間 前 (0子コメント)
It also doesnt help his point when he says the most pros dont know what they are talking about.
[–]whatsuppunkHotshotGG 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 9 時間 前 (0子コメント)
First part was just a reference to the circlejerk early in this split.
[–]kelustuMonteCristo 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 6 時間 前 (0子コメント)
It's also an invalid argument from a logical standpoint.
[–]SeveralKnapkins 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 8 時間 前 (0子コメント)
I'm just waiting for the day when /r/clg can finally admit we don't know anything about how the team/players work.
[–]andinuad 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 9 時間 前 (2子コメント)
From Dexter's AMA:
"Monte is a smart guy when it comes down to league and is very opinionated. He's a great coach and friend and I really enjoyed working together with him, he taught me a lot about the game and how to think about certain things that I think I wouldn't have learned without him"
[–]dartimos 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 8 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Link said about the same. Really good coach, but the dude was in Korea. I don't see any complaint about his ability outside when he walked out on them during the KOR bootcamp.
[–]CourageSquid 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 7 時間 前* (0子コメント)
Yeah, Link said Monte had good ideas. Monte came up with a Syndra/Caitlyn strategy for them but they never got to field it because Double never wanted to play Cait, but there was a Sivir comp monte had them do that won them a game.
Charlie was way more effective than monte as a coach. (not that Monte isn’t smart, but rather it’s that he was a lot less effective as a coach who was in a different time zone and not in person). We proceeded to go to Korea completely fail our bootcamp, monte gave up on us (straight up walked out the door after scrims) I mean after what monte did to us in korea there’s no way he was going to stay. A coach should never lose face in front of his players yet he did.
Charlie was way more effective than monte as a coach. (not that Monte isn’t smart, but rather it’s that he was a lot less effective as a coach who was in a different time zone and not in person).
We proceeded to go to Korea completely fail our bootcamp, monte gave up on us (straight up walked out the door after scrims)
I mean after what monte did to us in korea there’s no way he was going to stay. A coach should never lose face in front of his players yet he did.
Link respected Monte as an analyst/strategist, but not as a coach.
[–]OmegaAppleMoney in the bank, pimpin' ain't easy! 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 9 時間 前* (4子コメント)
Andd my entire image of doublelift just shattered right before my very eyes.
I literally have 0 exceptions for clg next split. Like i fully expect them to be 9th place only above tdk...
[–]keelit 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 9 時間 前 (2子コメント)
Are you joking lmao TDK is going to rip CLG to shreds
[–]Avalor 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 9 時間 前 (0子コメント)
CLG are still mechanically / strategically superior to 50% of the LCS. Good luck with that one. It's just 5th/6th all repeat again lmao
[–]OmegaAppleMoney in the bank, pimpin' ain't easy! 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 9 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Well i cant really deny that... clg 10th place confirmed?
[–]opheliaks 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 10 時間 前 (0子コメント)
I was so sad reading about double...
[–]Theostrubigfatlp 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 10 時間 前 (1子コメント)
Not done yet but I did not know Link ran away from home to join CLG. Is that hyperbole/a joke, or did he legit run away?
[–]wishinghookXmithie 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 9 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Probably means he failed his first year then said "fuck you mom I'm going to be a progamer"
[–]jfriscuit 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 9 時間 前 (0子コメント)
FINALLY! Granted this is only one person's point of view but the veil has been lifted. Not being facetious when I say this might be L1nk's greatest contribution to this organization...being the catalyst to the nuclear fallout we are about to witness over the next few weeks.
This kind of thing cannot be ignored. Everyone's actions were mentioned. Events were discussed in detail. We have a timeline and a legitimate account of what goes on within the CLG house from a player perspective. It's all out in the open now. Let's see these things addressed.
[–]gulvanCLG 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 9 時間 前 (0子コメント)
This wont get read because Im late to the party but basically these are my thoughts after reading his doc.
There obviously wasn't a coach on the team. You can tell because if there was a coach (even with Scarra) and I heard DL say the things Link is suggesting I would have benched him for going against what orders are. I dont give a fuck if he is Faker. Gameplan is gameplan.
But Link also glosses over his playoff inability. Ulting tanks in teamfights, killing the wrong targets in teamfights. As shotcaller that falls on him.
This also makes me think if History_Teacher, who has a background in sports coaching and teaching, pulled his application it is probably a result of either 1) grabbed by another team or 2) the attitude of the players.
Will be interesting to see who the coach really is. They need to be a verbal force.
[–]whatsuppunkHotshotGG 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 8 時間 前 (0子コメント)
The plot thickens...
[–]IqarusPMZikz 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 9 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Damn, this made me depressed. I do not feel like being a CLG fan anymore.
[–]xEldora 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 10 時間 前 (3子コメント)
Before people start saying monte is a horrible coach and overrated and shit, read this
He had good ideas and had things that I wanted the team to do (like example write down goals of what to work on) picks and bans were good, but he never could implement his authority online. Because of his online coaching a lot of what he said didn’t really get to people’s heads. I mean I listened to him but it’s a lot less effective if it’s not repeated. However, the one time that was good was when he visited us and made us play sivir comp and that won us like the first 3-4 weeks of lcs.
He had good ideas and had things that I wanted the team to do (like example write down goals of what to work on) picks and bans were good, but he never could implement his authority online.
Because of his online coaching a lot of what he said didn’t really get to people’s heads. I mean I listened to him but it’s a lot less effective if it’s not repeated. However, the one time that was good was when he visited us and made us play sivir comp and that won us like the first 3-4 weeks of lcs.
[–]wishinghookXmithie 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 9 時間 前 (1子コメント)
The part about him walking out on them though? I don't know if he could be a coach (that's fine though).
[–]Diminitiv 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 9 時間 前 (0子コメント)
I mean, Link also says that he doesn't know if the team was uncoachable or what. The environment seemed so fucking toxic that it might have been too late by then.
[–]dartimos 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 7 時間 前 (0子コメント)
That's what I got. I see all this stuff about Link bashing Monte, but it seemed like constructive criticism (coach and team should be in the same country). The exception is the the walking out thing is unacceptable and I doubt we will see Monte doing any more coaching. Bringing this up is legit beef IMHO and not a flame.
[–]lilmama231 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 10 時間 前 (3子コメント)
Damn is Doublelift really that horrible of a teamfight. I mean Link did say Dexter lost confidence due to DL. That's horrible. And DL was the one who said that "CLG were never friends."
[–]kelustuMonteCristo 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 6 時間 前 (0子コメント)
...except Dexter publicly stated about the team that Seraph didn't really speak English, DL was just a colleague, Aphro was his friend, and Link "...man just wtf."
[–]thalalol 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 10 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Please read page 13 , you will understand the team much more better and also understand the difference between playing in a professional level and playing soloq. Item builds are the CLG curse, The shoes example is from TSM vs CLG before IEM. If you do the computation you will understand the several places where killing a extra person would have ended better.
Experimenting is fine but experimenting in clutch games is beyond stupid.
[–]hotpotato23tarik 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 10 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Dam, Link firing shots at everybody.
[–]DarthVantos 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 10 時間 前 (2子コメント)
Sounds like link didn't leave because of the hate.....(Surprisingly)
Seems he left because of the team enviroment, don't know why he would leave the scene when I think other teams would pick him up. Im sure link will return.
[–]Awela 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 9 時間 前 (1子コメント)
Nien just tweeted that he also left due to team environment not because of Reddit:
Zach Malhas @FSN_Nien 11m11minutes ago i just cant wait to get on a lcs team and dumpster double tbh, one day ill be able to show u guys how good i really am. thx 4 ze support :)
[–]PeteyDonklageLiNk 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 7 時間 前 (0子コメント)
These aren't mutually exclusive things. If your team mates are on Reddit and in every single CLG thread says "Nien is shit, bench Nien" your team mates start to wonder: what if Nien really is shit? Can we trust him?
Reddit has further reaching implications than the player himself reading it.
[–]ShadeBringerCLG Spinner 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 9 時間 前 (0子コメント)
After reading this whole thing. .. it just kind of hurts to be a fan still. (I've always been in the link boat) and this read, is worthwhile for anyone who wants a pretty decent explanation of the last few years. Link i wish you the best of luck! And teach me your knowledge asap, need to learn more
[–]DinklebergerCLG 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 9 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Holy shit dropping bombs from link
[–]soteiraaCLG 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 9 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Maybe the real conspiracy is double is a secret agent sent by Reginald to internally destroy all hopes and dreams of clg's players (the hyped up ones with "potential") to forever ensure tsm dominance
[–]DesslochbroKobe 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 9 時間 前 (0子コメント)
CLG just got BTFO by Link holy shit... This is the most exposed any organization has ever been by a former member. Let this be a learning experience for all of us going forward...
[–]Lordfartacuse 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 9 時間 前 (0子コメント)
mad respect to link for speaking his mind. Hopefully Doublelift can finally change his mentality and attitude, it always seems like he's raging or flaming or at a solo queue team-mate when i watch. This is the wakeup call which clg needs, not new players or new coaches but a complete overhaul on the team's mentality and structure.
[–]tester211 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 6 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Everything was expected which is why supported him.
[–]xTruth23xDexter 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 3 時間 前 (1子コメント)
TL;DR: Link says Double hates everyone, and Double and Aphro stopped getting along. And, that Monte isn't a good coach.
Oh the joys of people leaving. This makes it easier for me to say goodbye to Link. I wasn't a fan of the POB / HuHi thing, but seeing this made me feel its best for the team.
Goodluck in school Link.
[–]whobettaCLG Spinner 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 2 時間 前 (0子コメント)
I think he's done w/ competitive league so didn't care as much HOW his comments came off... but again doesn't mean some/most isn't true
[–]diwij 15 ポイント16 ポイント17 ポイント 10 時間 前 (28子コメント)
Damn honestly Link sounds like a terrible teammate and has a terrible mindset to everything. He never ONCE blamed himself here on anything.
He was just a better shotcaller than me probably.
PROBABLY? Hai was like the fucking reason why c9 has world class shot calling, and Link is here saying hai was "probably" better than him at shotcalling.
A lot of people blamed me for picks and me failing my lissandra ulti when in reality it was a god awful fight that we shouldn’t have even took.
Is he serious. There is NO excuse for a pro player to ult a wrong target.
I expected Dexter to play in the similar way meteos did. Be the shotcaller,be the fucking man and lead the team because you have the most flexibility in the game at all points. It obviously didn’t happen and I was annoyed because it felt like I was playing three-four roles on the team as the shotcaller.
Complains about Dexter not playing exactly how he, Link, wanted him to play while at the same time bashing double/aphro for making Dexter a "tool". Also complains Dexter didnt take the shotcalling responsibility while talking about Link himself wanted to step as the shot calling after playing with c9.
Monte didn’t do that much lol but he got the ognRotations credit but whatever.
Kinda the opposite of what Dexter said in AMA like 3 hours ago...
but we failed like usual LOL and then I did some stupid shit where i tried to backdoor an inhib and we lost to a late game tristana.
Whenever everyone else failed it's a serious issue but whenever he fails, its just LOL all good
I eventually started to try after I realized what CLG meant to me.
A steady paycheck?
I had to sit them down together and watch a replay and reconcile. Think we would have gotten smashed harder if I didn’t who knows.
Yes, take credit for everything you did right while literally throwing other teammate under the bus except yourself because "LOL who knows"
However, the one time that was good was when he visited us and made us play sivir comp and that won us like the first 3-4 weeks of lcs. So I guess props to him for that lol. But I mean it’s a fucking sivir comp. You group up and you win right? But I guess that’s amazing for clg considering how hard it is to get people to group on the team.
Yes completely ignore that every other person in the scene saw how much CLG's rotations improved after Monte joined. Never mind that the numbers prove Monte's CLG had the best early games of the NA teams. Nope it's all cause double played sivir...oh wait Monte made him play that too.
obviously i “choked” during every playoffs l0l when i truly believe the entire team underperformed at every single one.
Denies that he chocked; instead it was the team's fault because everyone failed "l0l". Clearly ignoring the fact that Link is a choker. Everyone in from the pros to the average viewer could see that. But nope not his fault again.
Zion would make a lot of calls, some good and some bad. I mean it’s why dignitas and coast never really did well. To be more precise: inconsistent. I’m sorry but that’s just the truth. Eventually I’d help him a lot in terms of how to make more of the better calls and help him grow a deeper understanding of the game. He would tilt in scrims time to time. He was still a teenager so it’s understandable. He did a lot of the stuff that I used to do in terms of like shutting down and whatnot. I bet you guys can all assume by now that you know what kind of jungler that I’ve always wanted to play with. Someone who makes his own calls, decisive, aggressive, willing to make the crazy plays.
Zion would make a lot of calls, some good and some bad. I mean it’s why dignitas and coast never really did well. To be more precise: inconsistent. I’m sorry but that’s just the truth. Eventually I’d help him a lot in terms of how to make more of the better calls and help him grow a deeper understanding of the game. He would tilt in scrims time to time. He was still a teenager so it’s understandable. He did a lot of the stuff that I used to do in terms of like shutting down and whatnot.
I bet you guys can all assume by now that you know what kind of jungler that I’ve always wanted to play with. Someone who makes his own calls, decisive, aggressive, willing to make the crazy plays.
The most outgoing and charismatic person I’ve really ever met. Good friend, yet a horrible teammate. Because he just has a natural loud and aggressive tone a lot of things come out as if he is attacking you. Likewise, he is one of the most lane-focused players to ever exist. Nothing else matters to him I swear. If he doesn’t win lane he can’t accept that he can’t win the game just by scraping by. That’s what it feels like to play the game with him.
You have to be able to pressure with little items and vision control. Yet if aphro cant do what he does normally in soloq and what is RIGHT then of course hes not going to enable other lanes what they need. Do you know how many times lustboy has come mid to ignite me at level 1 vs bjergsen then dyrus/santorin come out from the other side holy fuck. Did you guys see how many 3v3s happened top side at MSI involving top/jungle/support? Aphro is being held back from truly being the #1 support in NA and i think a lot of his mentality has become jaded by double’s play and attitude towards the game. In terms of being a leader, he wants to be, but I don’t think he has what it takes to be. Maybe in a few years, but he’s just a natural lazy chill guy. He was the primary shotcaller of this season and that really fucked with me and my confidence. I didn’t really know what that meant and it really confused how I made calls in the game. I got frustrated as well because he was assigned the primary shotcaller but he didn’t act like one. I tried to get everyone to theorycraft with me in terms of figuring out what’s strong, what’s new, what’s meta, what beats the meta. I’ve probably watched every vod of ogn and around 90% of edg’s vods more than scarra/zikz. I was at one point doing level 1s, telling jake what buff to start or what was ideal because his gank path would most likely win us the early game (again goes back to win conditions). I tell everyone what lane they should be in and what lane they shouldn’t be in. I make sure people buy aegis/or correct items and many times people fail to listen. I remind people to buy pink wards. I have to tell people how to play the teamfight or what I think is best and what everyone needs to do specifically and it fails because I know I can’t do it by myself. Then me and aphro work together and figure out rotations and late game calls. After replays I clearly see people’s problems and try to tell them and proceed to help them further (at least with zion i worked with him the most this split). When I get no response or it’s just like silence or I saw no improvement in gameplay. To me there’s no point in playing. I refused to believe xmithie/zion/aphro/double were incapable of improving or something. I gave up on double. I realized zion is just a slow learner. Aphro is held back by double. Xmithie’s playstyle is the opposite of what I want so it’s going to take time. And since I don’t really have that much time left in terms of my motivation/my willpower to play this game anymore I figured it’s better if I just step down
You have to be able to pressure with little items and vision control. Yet if aphro cant do what he does normally in soloq and what is RIGHT then of course hes not going to enable other lanes what they need. Do you know how many times lustboy has come mid to ignite me at level 1 vs bjergsen then dyrus/santorin come out from the other side holy fuck. Did you guys see how many 3v3s happened top side at MSI involving top/jungle/support? Aphro is being held back from truly being the #1 support in NA and i think a lot of his mentality has become jaded by double’s play and attitude towards the game. In terms of being a leader, he wants to be, but I don’t think he has what it takes to be. Maybe in a few years, but he’s just a natural lazy chill guy. He was the primary shotcaller of this season and that really fucked with me and my confidence. I didn’t really know what that meant and it really confused how I made calls in the game. I got frustrated as well because he was assigned the primary shotcaller but he didn’t act like one.
I tried to get everyone to theorycraft with me in terms of figuring out what’s strong, what’s new, what’s meta, what beats the meta. I’ve probably watched every vod of ogn and around 90% of edg’s vods more than scarra/zikz. I was at one point doing level 1s, telling jake what buff to start or what was ideal because his gank path would most likely win us the early game (again goes back to win conditions). I tell everyone what lane they should be in and what lane they shouldn’t be in. I make sure people buy aegis/or correct items and many times people fail to listen. I remind people to buy pink wards. I have to tell people how to play the teamfight or what I think is best and what everyone needs to do specifically and it fails because I know I can’t do it by myself. Then me and aphro work together and figure out rotations and late game calls. After replays I clearly see people’s problems and try to tell them and proceed to help them further (at least with zion i worked with him the most this split). When I get no response or it’s just like silence or I saw no improvement in gameplay. To me there’s no point in playing. I refused to believe xmithie/zion/aphro/double were incapable of improving or something. I gave up on double. I realized zion is just a slow learner. Aphro is held back by double. Xmithie’s playstyle is the opposite of what I want so it’s going to take time. And since I don’t really have that much time left in terms of my motivation/my willpower to play this game anymore I figured it’s better if I just step down
Honestly IMO Link threw everyone under the bus except himself. He doesn't see any flaws in him and it's just "everyone losing trust in him". That's the reason why he did bad all these seasons, that's the reason why he's leaving etc. The rest of CLG seem hard to with, especially Doublelift. But Link seems downright narcissistic and delusional, and seems to blame EVERYONE but himself.
[–]andinuad 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 9 時間 前 (1子コメント)
Monte and Dexter are on very good terms. Months after they both were seperated from CLG, Monte subscribed to Dexter's twitch and they had a very good time there.
When Monte spoke about his players, he held Aphromoo and Dexter in very high regards.
[–]aphexmoon 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 2 時間 前 (0子コメント)
And nien
[–]cooper212 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 10 時間 前 (0子コメント)
To be fair dexter is friends with montie so of course he is not going to say anything bad about him. I think both dexter and link prob lied in some way and there is a truth in the middle.
[–]OctauianusCLG Spinner 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 9 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Agreed. Whereas I do think some of the things Link said have plausibility. The manner and hypocrisy of some statements, which you have pointed out, are unnerving.
[–]naimcint 12 ポイント13 ポイント14 ポイント 10 時間 前 (6子コメント)
Of course the problem is... what if he's right? ;)
[–]inmicrocosmCLG Spinner 11 ポイント12 ポイント13 ポイント 9 時間 前 (1子コメント)
If he's right, then it's time for doublelift to go. Tomorrow. Simple as that. Underperforming is one thing, but link paints a picture of a guy who routinely derails his team and makes everyone else worse. I know it's shitty, but that's reality. So I guess for those doublelift fans out there, we'd better hope it's not true.
[–]diwij 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 10 時間 前 (3子コメント)
If he's right? CLG's team environment sounds literally like hell. Guess who's job it is to fix it? EVERYONE, including Link. Instead Link blames everyone but himself.
[–]swordsnotwords 11 ポイント12 ポイント13 ポイント 9 時間 前 (0子コメント)
I think you need to readjust your filter a little. He does discuss some of his issues. Anyway, I don't think the essay was supposed to be a discussion of his play, but an amalgamation of his time in league and how he got to the point of leaving CLG/LoL.
I actually really enjoyed reading his post. I'm curious to see how the other CLG members react.
[–]Short_Kings 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 9 時間 前 (0子コメント)
The way he talks seems like a guy that can easily identify the problems but too passive to do anything so instead he tries to be on good terms with everybody by trying to not piss anybody off.
He sure as hell was a problem, but I honestly don't blame him for leaving, call me naive but what I just read doesn't seem like a guy telling lies. He reads frustrated more than anything else.
[–]xEldora 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 9 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Link stated several times, that he tried to fix things, that he tried to put Seraph/Zion on carry top laners and let Dexter do his thing but the team wouldn't agree and Double would just straight up ruin the whole team dynamic on stage and just try to pick into a late game team comp even though they would've scrimmed with carry top laners / junglers. Sounds to me like he tried his best and it has been apparent that Double has quite the ego and is tough to work with for quite some time now. But ofcouse, this is just one side of the story.
[–]kranston512 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 8 時間 前 (0子コメント)
we can all agree that link has literally been the scapegoat for every fuckin loss that CLG had. theres no reason for him to blame himself cuz every single person out there already assumes that hes at fault.
This is my favorite type of post.
[–]Challenger_MainZionSpartan 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 10 時間 前 (13子コメント)
Link sorta just shat on this teammates if you read his description of everyone lol
[–]smallboss98DoubleLift 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 10 時間 前 (11子コメント)
not shat he spoke the fucking truth
[–]Challenger_MainZionSpartan 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 10 時間 前 (3子コメント)
It's his opinions of people. He definitely may have been right of some things but it's extremely subjective. It's almost toxic really. I doubt he'll get any good offers after this teenage rant.
[–]kawkao 25 ポイント26 ポイント27 ポイント 10 時間 前 (0子コメント)
I think he's done with league. Burning bridges is one thing, this right here is a nuclear holocaust.
[–]aZooReZikz 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 10 時間 前 (0子コメント)
He says in his blog he's going back to school.
[–]StewPidaz 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 10 時間 前 (1子コメント)
Do you live in the CLG house?
[–]Awela 23 ポイント24 ポイント25 ポイント 10 時間 前 (0子コメント)
From someone that did. Also from Scarra, Kelby, Matt and Zikzlol showing some support both in this thread and on twitter...
[–]Hockeygod9911Kobe -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 9 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Not really of Xmithie, Zion, or Aphro. He made some critique's of their play, but its not like he put them on blast.
[–]Anthonysan 19 ポイント20 ポイント21 ポイント 10 時間 前 (41子コメント)
I'm mixed feelings about this honestly. It's one thing to be transparent. It's another to begin throwing everyone under the bus knowing how fickle this community is and how they can run about with information like this and begin their hatesprees.
Not only that, but Link talks from a point of view as if nothing was his fault. Let's be fucking real here: He was no Bjergsen. Why did Dexter dislike him so much? I feel like the tension between him and Dexter was never talked about.
And then the Monte thing is absolutely disgusting IMO, from both Monte and Link, but Link in particular to say this stuff about him? Why? Is it revenge from Monte being very critical of him post-CLG? It was probably Link who leaked the Monte stuff to Regi/Loco and that's where they ran away with it.
Do you really think if Aphromooo left the team, he would ever write something like this? No. Zion? No. I really doubt even Doublelift would write something like this.
To me, it just shows he's a petulant child who's bitter about being booted off and bitter about the community(but of course, he won't directly attack the community for being extremely critical of him) so what he wants to do is turn the community against CLG.
Downvote me if you wish, but something about this turns me off. It's in bad taste and it really shows me Link true colors.
[–]Mr_GarbagemanMoney in the bank, pimpin' ain't easy! 29 ポイント30 ポイント31 ポイント 10 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Don't think he cares at this point. The entire community was hating on him anyway.
[–]PinithHotshotGG 19 ポイント20 ポイント21 ポイント 9 時間 前 (1子コメント)
I don't think Link was writing this to validate his haters. He wrote this to explain his perspective on why he's leaving CLG and League.
[–]andinuad 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 9 時間 前 (1子コメント)
I want to hear more about those jungle-mid duo queues that didn't happen as often as they should have.
[–]FrozenRyan 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 7 時間 前 (0子コメント)
And he complains about people trolloqueuing when he himself did it all the time. So yeah, don't take his post to heart.
[–]Pharen 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 9 時間 前 (1子コメント)
Most of the stuff he wrote could be/is true but im pretty much he´s venting a lot of the frustration on it, considering that he was one of the players with the most Reddit-hate and team blame, but yeah taking in mind that he complains about Dlift train of thought that my team sucks he pretty much is doing the same with what he wrote
ROFL RIGHT?
[–]Apatheee 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 9 時間 前 (2子コメント)
You are 100% correct. Wish other people would read it like this.
My favorite part is how a couple times in the essay he said something "Could I have done this better? Maybe but who knows." Like what the fuck is that going to be your only critique for yourself. According to him everyone was playing the game wrong and were egomaniacs and he was basically the analyst, theorycrafter, Zion's personal trainer, and mid laner holding down the fort.
[–]rudebrookeDexter 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 8 時間 前 (1子コメント)
If he is deflecting this much right now, imagine what he was actually like to be in a team with. No wonder he never actually improved his laning phase or team fighting since he joined the team, he clearly can't take criticism at all.
[–]rudebrookeDexter 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 8 時間 前 (12子コメント)
To me, it just shows he's a petulant child who's bitter about being booted off and bitter about the community
This is exactly what this post is, but unfortunately it's going to be used as ammunition against Doublelift for the rest of his career. Link literally deflected EVERYTHING onto mainly Doublelift and to an extent Monte, he took NO responsibility for any problems in CLG, he couldn't even admit that he choked in big games.
This is a disgrace.
[–]DimarziomesafanDoubleLift 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 2 時間 前 (5子コメント)
I wouldn't say THAT. He's definitely venting some salt here but there is also some truth to it. We all know Dlift's real self, and even Dlift admits to a lot of it. But some of the crazy stuff is a bit much imo. It basically reads like
I did what I could guys but there is only so much I'm willing to sacrifice to carry Dlift
[–]Ivor97Chauster 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 9 時間 前 (0子コメント)
It was probably Link who leaked the Monte stuff to Regi/Loco and that's where they ran away with it.
I think dexter mentioned Doublelift being involved in his AMA after leaving CLG
[–]Nicer_ChileAphromoo 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 9 時間 前 (1子コメント)
I dont think i like Doublelift anymore..
[–]AZF1Chauster 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 10 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Damn! Link burnt a lot of bridges with this post. Appreciate his honesty though, was a good read.
[–]DarkRyterDoubleLift 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 10 時間 前 (0子コメント)
I hope Link found or finds some closure. It's clear he's been through alot. Good to know in the end, he hopes for the best for his team, even if he knows, and we now know, they still have a long road ahead.
[–]kinkydinkyDexter 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 10 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Well, everything else aside, it looks like CLG Stixxay is confirmed. Best of luck to you Link, you'll always be one of my favorite players.
[–]BansheeGooseLiNk 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 9 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Jesus christ I think I'm done with this team.....
[–]Nsongster 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 9 時間 前 (0子コメント)
How can the doublecult possibly explain this?
[–]Belkor 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 7 時間 前* (0子コメント)
I hope ppl see this. A warning for any serious CLG fans out there who finished reading Link's story:
Scarra on stream last night randomly said something along the lines of "there's a reason why you never see Aphro and DL duoing and Aphro is always playing with Sneaky."
If you have been watching Aphro streams lately, you'll probably notice what Scarra said. There is a good chance CLG will lose Aphro when his current contract runs out especially since it seems like there is not much synergy between Aphro and Stixxay. There was a streamed session with Aphro and Stixxay but they were really not hitting it off. It looks like Aphro would much rather play with an ADC star like Sneaky as proven by how often he duos with him.
[–]Ultrah 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 10 時間 前 (1子コメント)
Feel like some of the stuff he said should have been kept private. Oh well.
[–]Zellough 10 ポイント11 ポイント12 ポイント 10 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Fuck that, love me some outright transparency for old times' sake
[–]Rideyn 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 10 時間 前 (3子コメント)
Completely threw everybody on CLG under the bus while acting like the was the only good thing over the years and carried the team. I never hated on Link before (Usually defended him), but this is just pathetic.
[–]Huzabee 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 7 時間 前 (2子コメント)
I would love to hear the rest of CLG's opinions on Link. Link put himself on a pedestal and downright blamed his team. He went in depth on the problems of his teammates but hardly talked about his own. It's that type of mentality that hinders his growth as a player. That "I could win worlds but my team is trash!" mentality. I'm sure his teammates would have a lot to say about Link's performance. Honestly, I lost a lot of respect for Link today. His opinions are kind of childish and it's pretty low to air your dirty laundry especially while you're on the way out. He puts way too much blame on his teammates and not nearly enough on himself.
[–]iGreatness 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 9 時間 前 (0子コメント)
What makes me more angry is all this is happening for like 2 years or more and they don't tell us shit, always the same bullshits in that fuckings vlogs, saying things are gonna be different and whatever, fuck off.
[–]AlmightyArrogance32 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 6 時間 前 (7子コメント)
Epic post blasting all of his former teammates while his only issue is "trying to do to much". I can only imagine what this guys was like as a teammate. Good riddance.
[–]hazzie92Seraph 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 10 時間 前* (2子コメント)
I always assume he was the one with the bad attitude because of the vlog from the rest of the team. We rarely got to hear from his point of view.
[–]Tonguesten 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 10 時間 前 (1子コメント)
hope that CLG can prove that most of the negative things Link reported on is wrong in future splits otherwise this is going to really ruin their reputation if it's proven right.
[–]OctauianusCLG Spinner 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 6 時間 前 (0子コメント)
"Going"? It already has ruined CLG's reputation. This .doc shows a toxic atmosphere, and the failure of management, analysts, and coaches to deal adequately with the problem.
[–]ceddya 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 9 時間 前 (0子コメント)
I'm glad Link got to share his side of the story, but what is the point of bringing up such glaring issues only after leaving? Gah.
Also, if this is such a pervasive problem, why didn't our coaches and analysts do anything to address it?
Sigh.
[–]wivella 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 7 時間 前 (0子コメント)
The only appropriate reaction to all of this.
I'm a bit disappointed in the team (and the flaming fans), but I doubt he's being all objective. Of course, many of the things he's saying are probably true from his perspective, but one has to question the validity of his points if Dexter's AMA directly contradicts some of them. Is Dexter just too polite to say the truth or is Link flaming everyone he can?
[–]Joolazoo 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 5 時間 前 (0子コメント)
I love how for the past 3 years 90% of the most upvoted comments on this sub have been bashing everything about Link.
Now when he leaves 90% of the comments in this thread are believing every single word he said.
You guys just love drama.
[–]DrSussetHotshotGG 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 4 時間 前 (1子コメント)
I have a hope that in the end, this will be Link's greatest legacy to CLG. Him being forthcoming and airing out the problems in such a specific manner will shape CLG for the forseeable future. It's always been hinted that communication within the team was an issue and maybe just having everything out there for everyone to see will help the current members and management sort out problems surrounding the culture that no one had the courage to tackle.
I'd also like to remind everyone that Doublelift is a clear cut example of being a product of his upbringing. He came onto the team when Hotshot, Chauster, Saint and even Elementz were huge personalities within the scene and the team and commanded proportional egos. He was just this awkward and timid KID when he joined. He quickly had to adjust and become the bombastic self centered drama queen that we have learned to love. Ever since Voyboy was an addition to the team, every person who has been added to the roster has been the type to take little space (ambiguous on Nien and Dexter). In some ways, it's not so hard to see how/why DL hasn't changed. And while I do think that the responsibility falls on him having failed to recognize that, it's the only life he'd known.
I like your positive spin on the situation... and maybe it will, hopefully it will.
[–]GoombaGoom 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 3 時間 前 (0子コメント)
As interesting as a lot of this is, and regardless of the accuracy, this is a pretty immature way to go out. I may get hate for saying this, but this does no good other than satiate reddit's mindless hunger for drama and blame gaming. He may have felt the need to tell his story, but the fact is the public of Facebook is not the proper context.
This acted as a way to shove blame to new targets and stirred up community unrest, and although everyone here is dying to know more, it's not very respectable to air this dirty laundry all over reddit.
[–]Macronaso 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 2 時間 前 (2子コメント)
Guys, seriously, can this statement be any more biased? He puts the blame on everyone but himself. Every fucking player that has been on clg was the problem, not him. You guys need to realize, when something is this biased is probably not true. There must be some truth around there somewhere, but I bet my ass it isn't all of this.
[–]whobettaCLG Spinner 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 2 時間 前 (1子コメント)
ofcourse he thinks extremely highly of himself... but that doesn't mean a lot of that isn't true... you can't deny it because he doesn't blame himself for anything nor can you accept it all as truth either...
[–]GalyndeanCLG Spinner 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 2 時間 前 (2子コメント)
Understanding is a three edged sword. Your side, their side, and the truth.
Some of this contradicts what dexter has stated previously, but what we can really ascertain is that CLG was hella fucked up culture-wise. That is hard to change.
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