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[–]subvertcAlberta [スコア非表示]  (60子コメント)

"Freedom of expression" comes with responsibilities...and consequences.

His sexual harassment of a journalist who was live and in public, and he apparently thought he would get away with such behaviour, and the people defending his actions, really sets us back a s a civilization.

[–]Questionablechoice [スコア非表示]  (33子コメント)

From what I see most people aren't defending what he is saying.

Most people are expressing discomfort at the fact that rather then this assault being dealt with in the court system and the bounds of the law he is being dealt with in the court of public opinion. He is having employment code of conduct extended to beyond the reach of the work place.

This man committed assault and should be given his trial. he shouldn't be paraded around on television with every intimate detail of his life on public display until he has his chance to defend these charges.

He has been convicted in the court of public opinion yet has not be charged with a crime nor has he had the chance to defend himself in a similar public forum to the reporter.

He has been publically lynched for it and guilty or innocent this is not how a fair and just society acts.

To make matters worse he is being held up as a poster to push a private members bill as vague as possible to enforce decency which few limits or definitions.

This is how civil liberties are eroded. Not by the actions of what is within the realm of acceptable but from what is outside of it being used to encroach on the acceptable.

[–]GCanuck [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

This man committed assault

That's a bit of a stretch, isn't it?

I do agree with everything else though. It's a horse shit witch hunt based on some unspoken sense of civility.

[–]Questionablechoice [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Disturbing the peace what ever the number of vague charges which could be applied really doesn't matter.

[–]loogawa [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

What you're suggesting is that broadcasters and news organizations shouldn't be allowed to broadcast his face and tarnish him in the court of public opinion? And you're talking about civil liberties being eroded?

He shouldn't be hurt or detained without the courts. But people are free to hate him or talk about him. This isn't someone who had a private altercation, he did it in public on camera. People are free to share this and talk about it. That is sort of the definition of civil liberties.

I often hear people saying someone should be judged by the courts, not the court of public opinion. However this is combining two completely different things, just because they have similar names.

Are we not allowed to judge someone until a court gives us the right? Can we only discuss convicted criminals negatively? I saw news organizations include people defending the man, not too many, because not too many people do.

He made a choice, and like all choices it can have consequences. If I were to streak naked into Parliament, but wasn't charged because for whatever reason the police decided not to press charges, does that mean I can't be called an idiot?

[–]Questionablechoice [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Yes I am. Your position in the media is one to report the news not report opinion. If you are reporting opinion it needs to be expressed as such. This is the core of journalistic ethics.

No, you are not allowed to judge someone prior to their day in court. In fact lynching is illegal.

You are free to discuss what ever you want however the news organization should not paint a specific picture solely for rating and pandering which is being done here.

Assuming you did this streaking and where not charged for it. People can form what ever opinion they want but your address, workplace, education, salary, family members, etc should these be posted when they are not even applicable to your crime?

[–]SheppardsPies [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

You're making an intelligent argument, although I don't agree with your viewpoint. However, you can't tell me (or anyone for that matter) that I can't judge someone. I can judge whomever I please, under whatever circumstances I please. I'm not free to ACT on that judgement, but there is no thought police where I come from.

[–]Bradasaur [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Of course. It's just the news (or journalism generally) that needs to be diligent, for the sake of the general public.

[–]gronmin [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well that is the thing about the court of public opinion is that it is being acted on constantly and causing harm to other people.

[–]subvertcAlberta [スコア非表示]  (17子コメント)

Honestly what did he expect? He should have thought about that before sexually harassing a journo on LIVE television, where his actions were recorded for everyone to see.

The court of public opinion rules that they are sick of female journo's being harassed like this and he is an asshole and his actions clearly show this.

You mention employer overreach: You can be fired for out-of-work behaviour

[–]sakipooh [スコア非表示]  (15子コメント)

How did he sexually harass her? In the clip I saw she was interviewing him about what he thought of the situation and he expressed his opinion about it. It may not have been a popular opinion but it was by no means targeted at her.

And in the cases where the actual phrase in question is being said it's never targeted at the reporters themselves, it's just shouted in the vicinity. Like someone shouting at a wall, this is more in the realm of being offended than harassed.

edit:typo

[–]VelvetJusticeBritish Columbia [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Unfortunately for him, he stupidly defended saying FHRITP. His employer couldn't afford to keep him around since he declared on national TV that he thought sexual harassment was perfectly A-Ok. He was a walking lawsuit waiting to happen. No sane employer would watch that video and think that he could be trusted not to cost them thousands in a sexual harassment complaint at their workplace.

[–]Itsprobablysarcasm [スコア非表示]  (12子コメント)

How did he sexually harass her?

His words, "You're lucky there's not a fucking vibrator near" can be considered threatening in nature.

She also stated, "when you say that into my microphone, it is disrespectful" and he cuts her off and says, "I don't care, it is fucking hilarious!"

[–]The_Nameless_Mist [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

That was a pop culture reference, not a threat. We don't magically turn references people don't immediately understand into threats just because the words seem to vaguely fit.

His referenced event

He's saying that "it could have been worse!" All he'd have to do is show the cops the event he's referencing, and he'd walk.

[–]Itsprobablysarcasm [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

That was a pop culture reference, not a threat.

Are you a lawyer? Do you know what a judge will decide constitutes a threat? When he uttered the words, "You're lucky there's not a fucking vibrator near", are you 100% sure she didn't feel threatened?

The phrase can be conveyed, and interpreted, as a threat.

[–]The_Nameless_Mist [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The reporter was fully aware of the movement. She even asks them as she walks up to them whether they were waiting there to FHRITP her. The noun usage shows she knows it's an event for shock value and knows at least some of the history.

Do you seriously think a police officer would arrest, or a judge convict, if someone made a pop culture reference that some nervous nellie didn't get? Honestly?

It's only in special situations like airports that jokes or pop culture references see people arrested, and most of those get a warning and they're done.

[–]Bradasaur [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

He might not have intended it to sound violent, but to me, having not seen the reference, it sure seems threatening.

[–]The_Nameless_Mist [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

We don't convict on people's perceptions, though, and we never have. Someone with Generalized Anxiety Disorder would have half their city in jail by their 40s, otherwise.

[–]thoreauaway2 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I don't think anyone has the right to shove a dildo in my face as a normal citizen, why is it okay to shove a dildo in the face of a reporter?

I don't agree with anyone being tarred and feathered publicly, but I think that this situation is above the people involved in it and speaks to the general air that people are sick of people disturbing news reporters trying to do their job. It seems like news reporters are sick of that as well.

[–]CuntWeasel [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

when you say that into my microphone, it is disrespectful

...but it wasn't him who said it into her microphone. He said he just found it hilarious, which is just him stating his opinion.

[–]PrayForMojo_ [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

What part of that was sexual harassment?

[–]Itsprobablysarcasm [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What part of implying use in some manner of a sexual device on an unwilling person is "sexual harassment"?

That's a tough one to figure out. Tell you what, how about you go up to some complete strangers on a sidewalk and shout at him/her "You're lucky there's not a fucking vibrator near" like this guy did and see what sort of positive reactions you elicit.

[–]sakipooh [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

So you are going to assume his intended use of the vibrator now? In your mind was this to be used as a rape tool or a sight gag with him just waving it around like a fool?

She brought the camera and the microphone to the shit show and approached the guy who was obviously getting the biggest chuckle from it all. And then she as the nerve to be offended to the point of playing the victim? That's pretty sad.

It makes me wonder if that reporter has ever said or done anything in her life while intoxicated that might have been misconstrued. Just so you know in this country you have a right to find something "fucking hilarious" even if it's not.

[–]Itsprobablysarcasm [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

So you are going to assume his intended use of the vibrator now?

I'm not assuming anything. His words "You're lucky there's not a fucking vibrator near" imply use of a sexual device in some manner. FAIK, his sentence could have been, "You're lucky there's not a fucking vibrator near, or I'd shove it up my own ass", but the implication is that, if there were a vibrator near, she would be 'unlucky' in some way.

[–]sakipooh [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Right, but it's live TV. Isn't it more fair to assume he would do something foolish on himself rather than physically assault her in a public space in front of a TV audience? I'm pretty sure he was pushing the point of being offensive during a live broadcast, which is the actual point of that stupid phrase in the first place.

[–]MajorSpaceship [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Was there even a time guys wouldn't try and shout a cuss word into a live camera??

[–]Questionablechoice [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yes you can but the code of conduct they reference explicitly states that it ends in the workplace on page 13 except for some specific business interactions and investments.

Now I'm not opposed to the code on conduct expanding beyond the work place in some situations even all situations. However the document he agreed to states that this interaction should not be held accountable for it in this situation.

So they have a binding document which they are twisting to fire someone unjust due to it's scope. It's being used as PR to support a company which lately has been demonized in the general public for it's practices. This is a diversionary tactic being used by Hydro One to gain cheap support.

They could have fired him discretely for his violation even it it was warranted. However they chose to turn it into a media circus and frankly I hope they are put to cost for it.

[–]oldscotch[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You're forgetting that they willfully chose to put themselves into the court of public opinion - it was a live shot, being broadcast to the public and they decided to act like idiots.

[–]ikidd [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

He's a young idiot that was drunk and performing for his friends by repeating a meme that's historically been done in front of a news camera. He's lost his job and is being demonized by every SJW in Canada. It's pretty fucking ridiculous and I feel sorry for the poor bastard.

If he's actually committed some sort of assault, then charge him. I don't see that happening, but he's already paid the price and more. I'm sure he'd rather have the 100 hours of community service. Instead he's probably looking for a noose.

[–]Dive0s [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Kindly stop telling me what I can and can't form opinions of. If he did something against the law, he should be punished for it. Since he did something in public, on camera, I have all the rights in the world to feel like he's a stupid person. The things you do in life have consequences. Maybe don't do stupid things on camera, in social media if you don't want people to judge you on them.

He's completely free to be a moron on tape. I'm totally free to judge him for it.

[–]ikidd [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

And I'm free to judge you for being sanctimonious, and probably a hypocrite.

[–]Dive0s [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Congratulations, you've now gotten the point of free speech. The dude did something on camera and in public and you feel bad that he's being judged by it? I don't. He made the poor decision to be a moron. He's paying for it. It's social natural selection. If he had spent even a moment of thought before he spoke, this wouldn't have happened. He had plenty of time. Why should I feel bad? I'd hope the same thing would happen to me.

[–]The_Nameless_Mist [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

You can accept that the guy is a douche and deserves punishment and still object to the degree. Punishment should fit the crime, and with this particular case, we left that standard way back there in the dust. Unless something changes, dramatically, his adult life is effectively ruined.

Who would date him, now? Who would hire him, now?

[–]TSAforlife [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I don't know... there's a lot of people defending him on this thread... perhaps they could give him a job (of any kind).

[–]The_Nameless_Mist [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think you can understand that "he might score a job, somewhere" isn't good enough when the official punishment he'd likely see for this would be a fine.

[–]AkesgerothQuébec [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Am I missing part of the story here? From what I've gathered someone ELSE went "Fuck her right in the pussy", she confronted HIM and he explained what it was, which isn't sexual harassment as much as an inappropriate and stupid catch phrase yelled by people who think shit like this is clever.

[–]TorontoAnnex [スコア非表示]  (23子コメント)

Except he never sexually harassed her. That is just some feminist hysteria . He did not use any language stronger than Elizabeth May might use .

Not freedom of expression but labour rights , his employer did not have cause to fire him . Hopefully the union protects his rights , or he sues and get a big payout .

[–]howdareyou [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I agree I think. I'm kind of on the fence about it being harrasment. She's in a public place and people have been yelling dumb shit trying to get on TV for along time. I don't think his FHRITP was directed at her and I think she knows that.

I don't understand why we know he works for Hydro One though, how did that become a story? I feel like it's a bigger story because it's Hydro One.

[–]CuntWeasel [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I don't think his FHRITP was directed at her and I think she knows that

A lot of people are missing the point - it was NOT him who said FHRITP, that's the biggest problem!

[–]kyara_no_kurayami [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Someone recognized him and looked up his name and found him on Ontario's Sunshine List of public sector employees making at least $100,000. It lists name, salary, and company, so people learned he was with Hydro One.

[–]OnLakeOntario [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

HE DIDN'T SAY FUCK HER RIGHT IN THE PUSSY GOD FUCKING DAMMIT CAN NO ONE READ THE FUCKING ARTICLE.

[–]abh428 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Pretty sure FHRITP is a lot more explicit than a simple Fbomb..

[–]TorontoAnnex [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

The whole segment of Elizabeth May's "moment in the spot light" I understand has her describing Anal and oral sex among other things .

( I could not watch it myself , I have overwhelming embarrassment for people who do embarrassing things on TV )

And funny thing , an entire room of reporters , not one feeling as a victim. And brushed off with she was tired with the flu .

Also , Lisa Riatt showed a lot of class getting up and prying Elizabeth May from the podium.

[–]Bradasaur [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I don't find the two instances to be that similar

[–]Pierre_Putin [スコア非表示]  (14子コメント)

Telling a live audience explicitly to commit a sexual act against "her" while interrupting the journalist on the job: yes, that is sexual harassment. How about I come to your workplace, wait until the most humiliating time, and then shout at all your colleagues and everyone else within earshot to stick a hot cock right in your asshole? Not sexual harassment?

Even if it were just "Fondle her hair longingly", it is inviting people to perform an unsolicited sexual act. Even if no one actually does, or was ever going to do, anything remotely close to "fucking her right in the pussy", merely shouting it to people is beyond mere harassment. It is obviously sexual in nature.

If it is harassment that is sexual in nature, it is sexual harassment. How is that difficult to understand?

[–]Wavemanns [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The guy that got fired wasn't the one that shouted FHRITP. I agree if he were the guy he should get fired. You fuck with someone's livelihood(our hardworking journalist), you deserve the same.

But the people that laughed that she had the conversation/interviewed with after the incident. It was one of them that got fired. That's way out of line. Once you start the conversation and asking the questions as a journalist, you have the responsibility not only to live with the answers you get but to protect the people to whom you ask the questions no matter how vile their answers.

[–]TorontoAnnex [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

obviously without their permission

Can you put aside the feminist rape fantasy for a moment

And He did not say any thing remotely like the fantasy you just wrote there

She sought them out when they laughed -- he said he found it funny , he said she was lucky there are worse ways to interrupt a news cast , a vibrator in the ear.

Any one with a scrap of intelligence ( and not having a feminist rape fantasy going through their head ) can see it is not directed at the reporter themselves , since it has been done to women and men , by women and men.

And Gosh darn it is not like no one has ever swore at a sports stadium before

Not sexual harassment, How is that difficult to understand?

[–]Pierre_Putin [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Wow. OK. A feminist rape fantasy?

Yes. Now I see. Not only is "Fuck her right in the pussy" neither sexual in nature nor even is it even harassment; it is clear that I am the one entertaining rape fantasies for even thinking so. Makes perfect sense.

[–]BerfanzCanada [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

For what it's worth, I think FHRITP is meant to me more incredibly profane than sexual. I mean, obviously it's describing a sex act, but a great deal of our profanity is sexual in origin, but not in usage.

I don't know if I'd use terms like feminist rape fantasy to express my thoughts on that, though.

[–]The_Nameless_Mist [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Assault in Canada is a directed charge, you can't just charge someone with an assault or with harassment for uttering a collection of words that are sexual in nature into the air. Saying it to the camera, or yelling it out in the background of a scene, is not directing it at the reporter any more than the normal WWWWWWWOOOOO, GOOO LEAFS! is directed at the reporter.

The big, gigantic key piece of evidence you seem to blithely ignore is that none - yes, none - of the reporters that have been victimized by this stunt have been raped. Surely, with all these people screaming to rape them in the pussy, at least one of those people had some intent, right? The fact this has happened hundreds of times, happened to male reporters, too, and the only thing that results is these idiots get 5s of stupidity air time, should tell you everything.

It's an intentionally shocking phrase, but it's never been directed at the reporters. When she interviews the dude who got fired, he even explains it for her. He tells her "It's not about you. It's about the camera. It's about them."

[–]TorontoAnnex [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Wow. OK. A feminist rape fantasy?

Just call'um as I see'um

Not only is "Fuck her right in the pussy" neither sexual in nature nor even is it even harassment;

I am sure that reporter is a big girl and heard "naughty words" at a soccer game before..

it is clear that I am the one entertaining rape fantasies

You had a lot of sexual stuff in your post that never happened except in your imagination.

He did not even say "Fuck her right in the pussy". He said he found it funny

[–]Pierre_Putin [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I was referring to the person who spoke the phrase—and to the act of speaking the phrase at all in such a context—not the one who lost his job at Hydro One who was laughing along like a boor. I see where our disagreement has stemmed from this misunderstanding.

[–]TSAforlife [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Who are you to tell a woman how threatened she should feel by a group of men, or man, performing in an obviously misogynistic manner? Are you a spokesperson for something? A lawyer? Anything?

[–]Itsprobablysarcasm [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Can you put away your redpill woman-hating agenda for a moment?

[–]TorontoAnnex [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Ahh that old -- "Hate feminists so must hate women" bit..

disagree with a woman I must be "redpill" or some other label to throw on.

How droll. Haven't you heard you have to accuse me of rape , or fart rape , or eye rape -- or rape culture . It is all the feminist rage these days .

[–]Itsprobablysarcasm [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Skimming your post history, it's pretty clear you have some really deep seeded anger issues with women.

[–]TorontoAnnex [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Feminists yes , women no .

You , and typical feminists , trying to confuse the two is like saying you hate Canadians for hating Harper and the Conservatives.

Any one with out a bias can see that is a non-sequitur , the same as disliking feminists =/= disliking women

[–]sakipooh [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That's where people are getting this wrong. No one shouting that phrase is inviting anyone to do anything. It's just being shouted in the air for shock value, it's not targeted at the reporter or anyone. It's like shouting the phrase at a stop sign, at worst you might be offended to hear it but that's your choice to take it as you wish.

[–]MajorSpaceship [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I don't think it was the same guy. She just targeted someone who was giggling to take out frustration on.

Anyway why is pussy fucking degrading/degrading to women? They way I understand vaginal intercourse, it requires a penis as well, and as a side note it is how we all got here.